It's become what seems like a business decision on the part of athletes, if I don't see meaningful minutes playing basketball for a certain team, I am out of here. On the other hand, coaches are constantly doing evaluation of their roster to see what is working and what is not working. I think TK sends that strong message to his players that are recruited at UT, but never developed to the point where they can somewhat help the team right away. He simply doesn't put them in games unless it's a minute left in the contest. Big deal then, and players get that message very clear.

I have said before, you simply cannot play with only two players coming off the bench with meaningful minutes. Coaches, maybe not at this level so much, but at the major powers, they are under the microscope to produce fast and furious. That is why Archie Miller is out at Indiana, surprised he lasted 4 years.

One more thing about Rollins since he is now the jewel of the program and he knows that; if coach can't bring in forwards/centers who can't excel to some degree in their first 2 years, he may not stick around. No more projects, can't wait for them to develop even at this level. So, the transfer portal and those fifth year graduates will be the way to go in college basketball.

(03-25-2021 12:01 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  It's become what seems like a business decision on the part of athletes, if I don't see meaningful minutes playing basketball for a certain team, I am out of here. On the other hand, coaches are constantly doing evaluation of their roster to see what is working and what is not working. I think TK sends that strong message to his players that are recruited at UT, but never developed to the point where they can somewhat help the team right away. He simply doesn't put them in games unless it's a minute left in the contest. Big deal then, and players get that message very clear.

I have said before, you simply cannot play with only two players coming off the bench with meaningful minutes. Coaches, maybe not at this level so much, but at the major powers, they are under the microscope to produce fast and furious. That is why Archie Miller is out at Indiana, surprised he lasted 4 years.

One more thing about Rollins since he is now the jewel of the program and he knows that; if coach can't bring in forwards/centers who can't excel to some degree in their first 2 years, he may not stick around. No more projects, can't wait for them to develop even at this level. So, the transfer portal and those fifth year graduates will be the way to go in college basketball.

Look at the amount of transfers at others programs like Michigan, Cleveland State, Akron, Ohio U, Ohio State etc, etc... this started several years ago and will continue to get worse. Coaches that don't evaluate their rosters and development constantly will find the door quickly. The time of Bob Nichols with players staying 4 years to get their degree even if they don't play is over. If a player isn't maximizing their time in the program and improving he will be either asked to leave or ignored and leave on their own. Player development is a two way street, the coaches have to be committed to it and the players have to put in the extra work to improve. Recruiting is not just about bring in talent, but bringing in players who have great work ethic, are coachable and don't require babysitting in academics. Most of the time players are responsible for what playing time they get. I'm sure TK would have played Maranka or Komagum more if they were able to compete without to many deficiencies. Acunzo is the transfer I feel will be missed more than the other two. As far as Rollins is concerned he will stay as long as Toledo is competitive and improving their roster to get to the NCAA tourney and compete. Rollins may only be here two more years anyway if he continues to improve to the point he is a player that could be a first round pick. I feel TK has added Kooper Jacobi, and Elijah Wilson who could upgrade the roster. I think TK and his coaching staff will get into the NCAA tournament. Hopefully next year.

mostly on point springboro, but I'd say it's simply a reflection of the nation which defines success increasingly in individual and not community or team terms. for example, the university made one major investment in the basketball program last year. that was hiring a branding consultant and investing in players building their personal brand and marketing themselves. without delving too deep into politics we just ended a 4 year term of a president whose actions were completely transactional. every act of governing was reduced to how does it benefit me. the idea of sublimating your personal ambitions for the good of the team is not in vogue. there are few programs where kids say I'm not gonna play much but I want to be part of this team and school, and plenty of coaches under pressure to win who suggest these kids move on so they can recruit someone who might be better. i do agree we need a deeper bench. if we were healthier last year or if moss is eligible then we would have had one. we started the season playing 9 or 10. Aj got hurt, Hill got hurt, and Komagum played himself out of the rotation. TK is on record saying he'd rather be guard heavy than deeper inside. clearly, he'll roll the dice on AJ catching a break and staying healthy rather than a key guard getting hurt and being short there.

I’m glad student athletes have the flexibility to transfer if they wish. It’s fantastic.

(03-25-2021 02:18 PM)pono Wrote:  mostly on point springboro, but I'd say it's simply a reflection of the nation which defines success increasingly in individual and not community or team terms. for example, the university made one major investment in the basketball program last year. that was hiring a branding consultant and investing in players building their personal brand and marketing themselves. without delving too deep into politics we just ended a 4 year term of a president whose actions were completely transactional. every act of governing was reduced to how does it benefit me. the idea of sublimating your personal ambitions for the good of the team is not in vogue. there are few programs where kids say I'm not gonna play much but I want to be part of this team and school, and plenty of coaches under pressure to win who suggest these kids move on so they can recruit someone who might be better. i do agree we need a deeper bench. if we were healthier last year or if moss is eligible then we would have had one. we started the season playing 9 or 10. Aj got hurt, Hill got hurt, and Komagum played himself out of the rotation. TK is on record saying he'd rather be guard heavy than deeper inside. clearly, he'll roll the dice on AJ catching a break and staying healthy rather than a key guard getting hurt and being short there.

Yeah, definitely rolling the dice on Edu... There is no guarantee that Edu will recover from 2 surgeries properly and be 100%... If the big Romanian kid is not ready next year, well we will have plenty of 6-4 guards for front court duty, (maybe 7 or 8) if K brings in one or both of the Cincy kids... Back to the same issue, lack of dominate inside presence and depth...

(03-25-2021 02:44 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  I’m glad student athletes have the flexibility to transfer if they wish. It’s fantastic.

Yep — if coaches can bounce around like they do, it’s only fair players can do the same thing.

(03-25-2021 08:03 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 02:44 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  I’m glad student athletes have the flexibility to transfer if they wish. It’s fantastic.

Yep — if coaches can bounce around like they do, it’s only fair players can do the same thing.

Agree. Hate to lose guys like Acunzo but players shouldn’t have to stay where they’re not happy.

So you all think it's great for college basketball for a kid to transfer on a whim. Like the kid at BG who is on his 4th school?

I'm all for free enterprise, but whatever happened to commitment and working your way into the lineup? Who knows why Acunzo left? I can't believe it was due to playing time. Christ, he was and was going to be an integral part of our future program. Not gonna lie, I'm miffed on that one, especially after taking a chance on him and his foot last year. Coaches come and go. Call me old school and the commitment should be to the team/school.

Every part is integral to the whole. Every team has their starters, roll players, defensive specialists, bench glue guys and there is always a 13th guy on the bench. If 3-5 guys leave every year, how does any team build consistency? Big guys are also hard to come by, I'm still not sure we couldn't have salvaged the other two guys who left. Oh well, it's not gonna change?

If we are worried we are gonna lose Rollins to a bigger program. My question would be where were those programs when he was getting recruited? I'd be sticking a big middle finger to the P5 schools and stick with the school who stuck by you from the beginning. Create a legacy and something special where you're appreciated.

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(03-25-2021 09:54 PM)emanoh Wrote:  So you all think it's great for college basketball for a kid to transfer on a whim. Like the kid at BG who is on his 4th school?

I'm all for free enterprise, but whatever happened to commitment and working your way into the lineup? Who knows why Acunzo left? I can't believe it was due to playing time. Christ, he was and was going to be an integral part of our future program. Not gonna lie, I'm miffed on that one, especially after taking a chance on him and his foot last year. Coaches come and go. Call me old school and the commitment should be to the team/school.

Every part is integral to the whole. Every team has their starters, roll players, defensive specialists, bench glue guys and there is always a 13th guy on the bench. If 3-5 guys leave every year, how does any team build consistency? Big guys are also hard to come by, I'm still not sure we couldn't have salvaged the other two guys who left. Oh well, it's not gonna change?

If we are worried we are gonna lose Rollins to a bigger program. My question would be where were those programs when he was getting recruited? I'd be sticking a big middle finger to the P5 schools and stick with the school who stuck by you from the beginning. Create a legacy and something special where you're appreciated.

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good mid major programs aren't losing their top guys to P5 transfer for the most part. what you see is good players on mediocre mid major teams transferring up. toledo has only had 1 true starter leave in 10-11 years under TK and that was Stuckey Mosley to a lateral transfer to JMU. Adway was a part time starter who left a year early. for the most part transferring has been a net benefit for UT. likely, that is because of a good team culture and closeness which values character more than most programs. yeah, it's hard to develop a bench in a transfer world, but the flip side is you get the shumate type kids coming in. personally, i think kids should be able to go where they want and use their likeness and everything. if a top physics student wants to transfer up from UT to MIT he can do it. if a talented journalism student wants to freelance for pay he can do it, but athletes have more restrictions. since the coaches have no sanction for job hopping, tough to expect a different standard for the players. one aside is that the new normal cuts out the redshirt year which is often really good for development. fletcher, weatherspoon, pearson, taylor, buckley, all sat a year and really improved under our staff and had a lot of success as a result. that kind of trajectory might be a thing of the past.

(03-25-2021 08:36 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 08:03 PM)adunifon Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 02:44 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  I’m glad student athletes have the flexibility to transfer if they wish. It’s fantastic.

Yep — if coaches can bounce around like they do, it’s only fair players can do the same thing.

Agree. Hate to lose guys like Acunzo but players shouldn’t have to stay where they’re not happy.

particularly when they can be bounced out of a program when someone "better" is found. You recruit em, you keep em.

Like Pono mention earlier Rollins seems like a loyal kid, from highschool and aau he hasn’t switch schools/teams and I take that as a good sign, I’m just really excited for his growth and future

Rollins also played for a very elite travel program “the family Detroit” prolly best travel team in Michigan home to the likes of draymond green, Cassius Winston, manny Harris, miles bridges just to name a few, we should recruit more players from that program if you ask me lol

(03-25-2021 09:54 PM)emanoh Wrote:  So you all think it's great for college basketball for a kid to transfer on a whim. Like the kid at BG who is on his 4th school?

I'm all for free enterprise, but whatever happened to commitment and working your way into the lineup? Who knows why Acunzo left? I can't believe it was due to playing time. Christ, he was and was going to be an integral part of our future program. Not gonna lie, I'm miffed on that one, especially after taking a chance on him and his foot last year. Coaches come and go. Call me old school and the commitment should be to the team/school.

Every part is integral to the whole. Every team has their starters, roll players, defensive specialists, bench glue guys and there is always a 13th guy on the bench. If 3-5 guys leave every year, how does any team build consistency? Big guys are also hard to come by, I'm still not sure we couldn't have salvaged the other two guys who left. Oh well, it's not gonna change?

If we are worried we are gonna lose Rollins to a bigger program. My question would be where were those programs when he was getting recruited? I'd be sticking a big middle finger to the P5 schools and stick with the school who stuck by you from the beginning. Create a legacy and something special where you're appreciated.

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If the team isn't committed to the player, why should the player be committed to the team?

(03-27-2021 09:28 PM)nworocket Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:54 PM)emanoh Wrote:  So you all think it's great for college basketball for a kid to transfer on a whim. Like the kid at BG who is on his 4th school?

I'm all for free enterprise, but whatever happened to commitment and working your way into the lineup? Who knows why Acunzo left? I can't believe it was due to playing time. Christ, he was and was going to be an integral part of our future program. Not gonna lie, I'm miffed on that one, especially after taking a chance on him and his foot last year. Coaches come and go. Call me old school and the commitment should be to the team/school.

Every part is integral to the whole. Every team has their starters, roll players, defensive specialists, bench glue guys and there is always a 13th guy on the bench. If 3-5 guys leave every year, how does any team build consistency? Big guys are also hard to come by, I'm still not sure we couldn't have salvaged the other two guys who left. Oh well, it's not gonna change?

If we are worried we are gonna lose Rollins to a bigger program. My question would be where were those programs when he was getting recruited? I'd be sticking a big middle finger to the P5 schools and stick with the school who stuck by you from the beginning. Create a legacy and something special where you're appreciated.

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If the team isn't committed to the player, why should the player be committed to the team?

and a transfer can hardly force a school to take him/her. If there's a problem to be seen with someone on their forth school, I think that's as much on the system as it is on the person looking for a place to be.

(03-25-2021 02:18 PM)pono Wrote:  I'd say it's simply a reflection of the nation which defines success increasingly in individual ... without delving too deep into politics we just ended a 4 year term of a president whose actions were completely transactional. every act of governing was reduced to how does it benefit me.

Let's not delve into politics - something that is always said right before they delve into politics with a non-sensical attempt at trying to create an analogy from nothing.

But, as I stay completely away from politics - I can't help but cheer on the current president. "Let's Go Joe"... try not to let the CCP rip the faces off your administration's enclave whenever they meet. How embarrassing it must be to get your collective asses handed to you like that? But, admittedly, it's tough to take a hard line stance when you're compromised from your coke head kid's business dealings over in China. Maybe you can find that chain you threatened that bad dude Corn Pop with and scare them off. Such a bad ass.

Now we get to watch the impact of what happens when you are compromised as the Chinese will continue to roll you like a wino in a back alley. The difference being that a wino is a helluva lot more lucid when he talks.

But I'll say it again, this is no place to delve into politics - and I would never do that. This is entirely about the transfer portal, so don't read anything into it.

(03-28-2021 10:01 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 02:18 PM)pono Wrote:  I'd say it's simply a reflection of the nation which defines success increasingly in individual ... without delving too deep into politics we just ended a 4 year term of a president whose actions were completely transactional. every act of governing was reduced to how does it benefit me.

But, admittedly, it's tough to take a hard line stance when you're compromised from your coke head kid's business dealings over in China.

Are you talking about Don, Jr.?

(03-28-2021 11:50 AM)nworocket Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 10:01 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 02:18 PM)pono Wrote:  I'd say it's simply a reflection of the nation which defines success increasingly in individual ... without delving too deep into politics we just ended a 4 year term of a president whose actions were completely transactional. every act of governing was reduced to how does it benefit me.

But, admittedly, it's tough to take a hard line stance when you're compromised from your coke head kid's business dealings over in China.

Are you talking about Don, Jr.?

“ Are you talking about Don Jr.? “

- A futile attempt at humor...

(03-28-2021 02:00 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 11:50 AM)nworocket Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 10:01 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 02:18 PM)pono Wrote:  I'd say it's simply a reflection of the nation which defines success increasingly in individual ... without delving too deep into politics we just ended a 4 year term of a president whose actions were completely transactional. every act of governing was reduced to how does it benefit me.

But, admittedly, it's tough to take a hard line stance when you're compromised from your coke head kid's business dealings over in China.

Are you talking about Don, Jr.?

“ Are you talking about Don Jr.? “

- A futile attempt at humor...

Sounds like a good TV show, where is Chuck Lorre when needed?

(03-28-2021 09:30 PM)utrocks84 Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 02:00 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 11:50 AM)nworocket Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 10:01 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 02:18 PM)pono Wrote:  I'd say it's simply a reflection of the nation which defines success increasingly in individual ... without delving too deep into politics we just ended a 4 year term of a president whose actions were completely transactional. every act of governing was reduced to how does it benefit me.

But, admittedly, it's tough to take a hard line stance when you're compromised from your coke head kid's business dealings over in China.

Are you talking about Don, Jr.?

“ Are you talking about Don Jr.? “

- A futile attempt at humor...

Sounds like a good TV show, where is Chuck Lorre when needed?

Or better yet Mark Burnett.

(03-28-2021 11:29 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 09:30 PM)utrocks84 Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 02:00 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 11:50 AM)nworocket Wrote:  

(03-28-2021 10:01 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  But, admittedly, it's tough to take a hard line stance when you're compromised from your coke head kid's business dealings over in China.

Are you talking about Don, Jr.?

“ Are you talking about Don Jr.? “

- A futile attempt at humor...

Sounds like a good TV show, where is Chuck Lorre when needed?

Or better yet Mark Burnett.

as England continues to take back what they lost over 200 years ago while Merica looks the other way.

I'm going to presume utrocks84 meant Chuck Barris?