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There is an article in "The Canton Repository" about a local basketball player who just signed with D II Walsh University, but intends to eventually transfer up to D I. I believe that is becoming, or will some become, the mindset of today's young athletes - picking a "starter school" with no serious intention of staying there.

I don't see what is wrong with this. I mean.....

Don't you know that my son is better than any coach or recruiter thinks he is.

Don't you know that my son got screwed during the recruiting process.

Don't you know I tell my son not to worry if he doesn't get his way. He eventually will and all will work out in his favor.

Don't you know that I tell my son not to worry about loyalty. Look out for number 1 and let the rest fend for themselves at all times.

Don't you know I tell my son that it is always someone else's fault.

Don't you know I tell my son that the grass is always greener on the other side.

Don't you know I tell my son that if things get tough or he isn't getting the attention he deserves that he can just quit and move on.

(03-31-2021 09:05 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  There is an article in "The Canton Repository" about a local basketball player who just signed with D II Walsh University, but intends to eventually transfer up to D I. I believe that is becoming, or will some become, the mindset of today's young athletes - picking a "starter school" with no serious intention of staying there.

Great plan, but with so many D1 players in the free agent pool some of them will be left without a chair when the music stops. So, the kids in the smaller pool better be sure they’re gonna catch a ride or they’ll be SOL as well.

I’m trying to figure out how this is different from the kid who starts out at one school in architecture (or film or chemistry or —fill in the blank major—) and after 1 or two years wants to transfer to a school with a bigger or better or more prestigious or whatever architecture school because the idea is that the student will be better off in the long run. And maybe they will be better off and maybe they won’t, but it certainly should be their decision.

Taking this back to athletics, I should add if I were compiling a list of who should have a say in what school I can or can’t attend, or when or if I can transfer to another school, the NCAA would be a very distant last on that list.

(03-31-2021 11:32 AM)axeme Wrote:  I’m trying to figure out how this is different from the kid who starts out at one school in architecture (or film or chemistry or —fill in the blank major—) and after 1 or two years wants to transfer to a school with a bigger or better or more prestigious or whatever architecture school because the idea is that the student will be better off in the long run. And maybe they will be better off and maybe they won’t, but it certainly should be their decision.

The difference is ... the chances of being an engineer, architect ect. as a life-long profession is much greater when they 'transfer up' than being a pro athlete/bb player in Europe even for 5 years after they 'transfer up.'

(03-31-2021 11:32 AM)axeme Wrote:  I’m trying to figure out how this is different from the kid who starts out at one school in architecture (or film or chemistry or —fill in the blank major—) and after 1 or two years wants to transfer to a school with a bigger or better or more prestigious or whatever architecture school because the idea is that the student will be better off in the long run. And maybe they will be better off and maybe they won’t, but it certainly should be their decision.

As someone who has been involved in higher ed over the years, you don't really see transferring for purely academic purposes of transferring to a better school for the same major. That usually happens after completing a bachelor's degree and trying to get into the best graduate school as possible. You will see people starting at community colleges and then transferring to a good 4 year school (in fact, in Illinois, all community college must teach college level courses in a way that they are equivalent to all state colleges in Illinois include U of I - Urbana-Champaign).

I don't really understand the transferring from one D1 program to another for most sports. If I had a talented enough child to earn a D1 scholarship, I'd focus on the best school for what my child wants to go into.

I don’t disagree with anything you both (cleveland and bopol) are saying. I think there’s no doubt some poor decisions will be made along with decisions by some that will be beneficial to the student.

I’m just questioning why having someone else make these choices for the student and their parents is a good idea, especially when that someone else has almost never made decisions in the best interests of the student over their own financial interests.

(03-31-2021 03:58 PM)axeme Wrote:  I don’t disagree with anything you both (cleveland and bopol) are saying. I think there’s no doubt some poor decisions will be made along with decisions by some that will be beneficial to the student.

I’m just questioning why having someone else make these choices for the student and their parents is a good idea, especially when that someone else has almost never made decisions in the best interests of the student over their own financial interests.

They don’t make the decision they just say you have to sit out a year. The Supreme Court is hearing the case right now and I’m pretty sure athletes will start to be paid very soon. If that happens and the athletes can still transfer at will, Kent better throw in the towel. They never will be able to compete. For that matter if each school can pay a different amount we will be done too. Maybe eliminating the one and done players will push the pro prospects out of the University system and things will work out but I’m not counting on it.

(03-31-2021 03:58 PM)axeme Wrote:  I don’t disagree with anything you both (cleveland and bopol) are saying. I think there’s no doubt some poor decisions will be made along with decisions by some that will be beneficial to the student.

I’m just questioning why having someone else make these choices for the student and their parents is a good idea, especially when that someone else has almost never made decisions in the best interests of the student over their own financial interests.

I agree. A college choice is a very personal decision and there is no formula for everyone (one reason I hate the USWNR rankings as being treated as particularly meaningful). It's up to the student and parents and others should only be involved as mentors or to provide information so that the student makes the best decision.

(03-25-2021 09:50 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:19 PM)Albert Flasher Wrote:  What are the odds that KSU incoming freshman Julius Rollins will stick around for four years?

#GoFlashes

What are the odds ANY freshman will stick around for four years?

As a side note, speaking for myself, I have absolutely no clue what kind of player Rollins is. Is he a possible starter or a potential redshirt. What kind of game does he have? Is he a shooter or a slasher? Can he rebound? Defend?

Judging from his offers, he's strictly a mid-major talent at this point considering (based on verbal commits) no Missouri Valley or A-10 or (low level) American Conference team was on his list of offers. Almost exclusively Horizon League with Toledo and Kent from the MAC. Was this due to size (extremely thin/skinny) or talent level?

Based on Kent's pretty decent history with finding talent in the Chicago area, guessing Rollins is probably a rising talent. The question is (by Kent standards) is he a role player or a key player. As a freshman, let's hope he's a role player. He can be a key player after that.

Here's the latest on Rollins being named to All-Chicago area team. ... There is hope.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/4/1/22...icago-2021

Many of the transfer portal players are NOT looking to take their talents to stiffer competition. Many are players that realize that they are at power programs that will only provide them the opportunity to be practice players and end of game cleanups. They choose to not settle for that. The Kent States can provide an opportunity for immediate playing time and development. I am against the the immediate eligibility upon transfer rule, but it may not be as devastating as first assumed. There will be two way movement for sure.

(04-01-2021 12:30 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:50 PM)cleveland Wrote:  

(03-25-2021 09:19 PM)Albert Flasher Wrote:  What are the odds that KSU incoming freshman Julius Rollins will stick around for four years?

#GoFlashes

What are the odds ANY freshman will stick around for four years?

As a side note, speaking for myself, I have absolutely no clue what kind of player Rollins is. Is he a possible starter or a potential redshirt. What kind of game does he have? Is he a shooter or a slasher? Can he rebound? Defend?

Judging from his offers, he's strictly a mid-major talent at this point considering (based on verbal commits) no Missouri Valley or A-10 or (low level) American Conference team was on his list of offers. Almost exclusively Horizon League with Toledo and Kent from the MAC. Was this due to size (extremely thin/skinny) or talent level?

Based on Kent's pretty decent history with finding talent in the Chicago area, guessing Rollins is probably a rising talent. The question is (by Kent standards) is he a role player or a key player. As a freshman, let's hope he's a role player. He can be a key player after that.

Here's the latest on Rollins being named to All-Chicago area team. ... There is hope.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/4/1/22...icago-2021

Same All-Chicago area team that Jeremiah Hernandez made in 2019.

My wife wants me to enter the portal.

(04-01-2021 06:11 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  My wife wants me to enter the portal.

Report: NCAA on Brink of Allowing One-Time Immediate Transfer for All Athletes
For a second time in about three months, the NCAA is on the brink of granting all college athletes the ability to immediately transfer schools without penalty, SI's Ross Dellenger reports.
The Division I Council, the organization's primary legislative body made up mostly of school athletic administrators, met virtually Thursday to iron out details of the landmark legislation, which reverses a policy from the 1960s.
The group is expected to meet April 15 to approve the measure, sources told Sports Illustrated. The new transfer legislation would go into effect immediately after it is approved by the NCAA Board of Governors, a meeting that could come soon after the D-I Council’s decision.

Assuming you his goes through, I think we'll see a lot more players like Walker and Pippen who are given the green light to do whatever they want. Mid major coaches are going to want to keep their top players happy.

(03-24-2021 07:15 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  Cleveland, in regards to Carter, "You Can't Go Home Again". Although, come to think of it, our Jay Peters did.

Apparently you can. Carter is going back to OU.

As I commented long ago, we are on the verge of reaching the point where every season is strictly ad hoc, only.

(04-01-2021 12:51 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  Many of the transfer portal players are NOT looking to take their talents to stiffer competition. Many are players that realize that they are at power programs that will only provide them the opportunity to be practice players and end of game cleanups. They choose to not settle for that. The Kent States can provide an opportunity for immediate playing time and development. I am against the the immediate eligibility upon transfer rule, but it may not be as devastating as first assumed. There will be two way movement for sure.

I hope you are right but there are a bunch of football players at big time schools who never play. I don’t see them knocking down the doors to come to MAC schools. I’m also pretty sure big time college players who can’t break into the line up on a Big 10 basketball team might not be all that big a help even if they do transfer. Other than those 5th year graduate school transfers I’m not so sure there is that much there. We are looking for starters the big boys are looking for good role players to create depth. I think that’s a lot easier to do.

(04-01-2021 12:51 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  Many of the transfer portal players are NOT looking to take their talents to stiffer competition. Many are players that realize that they are at power programs that will only provide them the opportunity to be practice players and end of game cleanups. They choose to not settle for that. The Kent States can provide an opportunity for immediate playing time and development. I am against the the immediate eligibility upon transfer rule, but it may not be as devastating as first assumed. There will be two way movement for sure.

I hope you are right but there are a bunch of football players at big time schools who never play. I don’t see them knocking down the doors to come to MAC schools. I’m also pretty sure big time college players who can’t break into the line up on a Big 10 basketball team might not be all that big a help even if they do transfer. Other than those 5th year graduate school transfers I’m not so sure there is that much there. We are looking for starters the big boys are looking for good role players to create depth. I think that’s a lot easier to do.