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RE: Bainbridge in the Portal
(04-26-2021 07:43 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  4? I think it's 3 and becomes 2 if Nuga returns. Smith, Bainbridge, Jordan, O'neal, Bennett, and Pippen out. Carry, Sullinger, Rollins, and Hornbeak in.

3 would still be a lot to fill this time of year, the portal's never been more full and they can play right away. So it's not a typical spring recruiting season.

As I understand it - and I might be wrong - returning seniors (Nuga???, Hamilton, Beck) do not count toward the NCAA scholarship total (13) unless they are seniors coming in from other programs. (But schools do have to pay for the extras, which Kent probably won't, so stick with a roster of 13).

Sullinger, Rollins, HBeak, Gio, JH, Davis, Jacobs, Carry are 8

Beck, Hamilton, are 10 ... That leaves three scholarships left. If Nuga returns, that's two.

The good news, even w/o Nuga, there are five players with starters experience (Beck, Ham, Gio, Carrey, Jacobs) all capable of 10-points a game or more, but none at 15 ppg or more. JH proved a solid bench player and Davis should emerge as well for depth. If a freshman pushes for minutes then all the better.

That means with Nuga back at 15 ppg or more, plus a juco/transfer with comparable firepower, Kent is strong and deep.

The problem is ... if it's three scholarships left (no Nuga), that means at least one scholarship should be an All-MAC caliber player at any position, and two should be worth 15 ppg or more each. That's a lot to ask this late in the game.

If it's two, then a solid baseline starter/sixth man w/Nuga makes Kent a sure MAC contender.

Either way, transfer or juco, there is still some serious recruiting work to be done.
04-26-2021 09:09 PM
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(04-26-2021 07:30 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  I can't imagine they would not extend Senderoff's contract.

Personal opinion, I realize the grass isn't always greener on other side, but I feel Kent State can do better than Senderoff, I feel they have settled to certain degree under him. Similar vibe about Duncan (baseball) as well. Timing seems important though. Not just make a change for the sake of change.
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(04-26-2021 09:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 07:30 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  I can't imagine they would not extend Senderoff's contract.

Personal opinion, I realize the grass isn't always greener on other side, but I feel Kent State can do better than Senderoff, I feel they have settled to certain degree under him. Similar vibe about Duncan (baseball) as well. Timing seems important though. Not just make a change for the sake of change.

In this era/climate for mid-major college basketball and playing in the Mid-American Conference, define 'doing better.'

Compared to the rest of the MAC ... what is better?

Is it Buffalo where success means a roster has been hit by the police blotter at least once a year, every year, going back to Hurley?

Is it Toledo, where the Rockets are pretty good, but not good enough.

Is it Bowling Green, where the Falcons have had their moments, but not many of them.

Is it Ohio, where the Bobcats have gone through a series of highs and lows the last 20 years.

Ditto for Akron.

Which program do you want Kent to look like? Which program is 'doing better' than Kent State? Not just for one season, but 5-10-15-20 seasons. More importantly is the university willing to do what it takes to 'do better.'

Yes, there is probably a coach out there who is better than Senderoff. But does he want to coach at Kent? Will he accept what Kent pays him. Will he be a 'team' player within the athletic department, or a lone wolf? Will his program look like Buffalo's, or Akron's or Toledo's or Ohio's ... and will that satisfy you. Or will you want to 'do better' all over again.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just realistic, particularly now when coaches no longer build teams as much as they put them together, year after year.

I'm seeing Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina ... right on down the line clamoring for one-and-done's in November then the transfer portal in April. This is no longer the 1980s, or even the 2000s. It's a different college basketball world.

What are coaches and teams like Senderoff and Kent State supposed to look like any more? What is 'doing better.'

Progams/teams can be decimated in the blink of an eye; look at Cleveland State, even Akron and Ohio, and those are programs that hit bottom and recovered. Now look at Cincinnati? Complete implosion. Personally ... perhaps the best way to 'do better' is for the new Kent AD to set some new markers down, a new yardstick for success (in all sports) that coaches and teams will have to measure up to. Something really tangible. What that is, I don't know.

Graduating players is nothing anymore when so few of them are around for four years to get a diploma where they started, anyway. It's a new game, a new world for college basketball. Frankly the most stable thing left is the coach, if he is a successful one, who is competitive and wins despite all this stuff. Kent may very well be able to 'do better.' But then again .... maybe not.
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RE: Bainbridge in the Portal
Agree, Cleveland. Senderoff is not the best head coach in the nation. But what are the odds that making a change would improve Kent State basketball in today's climate? I would say pretty slim.
04-27-2021 06:55 AM
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(04-27-2021 06:55 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  Agree, Cleveland. Senderoff is not the best head coach in the nation. But what are the odds that making a change would improve Kent State basketball in today's climate? I would say pretty slim.

I agree
04-27-2021 09:49 AM
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RE: Bainbridge in the Portal
(04-26-2021 09:09 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 07:43 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  4? I think it's 3 and becomes 2 if Nuga returns. Smith, Bainbridge, Jordan, O'neal, Bennett, and Pippen out. Carry, Sullinger, Rollins, and Hornbeak in.

3 would still be a lot to fill this time of year, the portal's never been more full and they can play right away. So it's not a typical spring recruiting season.

As I understand it - and I might be wrong - returning seniors (Nuga???, Hamilton, Beck) do not count toward the NCAA scholarship total (13) unless they are seniors coming in from other programs. (But schools do have to pay for the extras, which Kent probably won't, so stick with a roster of 13).

Gotcha. I forgot that they weren't supposed to count. I'd also guess we stick to 13 but keep the additional ones in out back pocket incase someone falls into our lap like Carry did last winter.
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RE: Bainbridge in the Portal
Is it Toledo, where the Rockets are pretty good, but not good enough.

Is it Bowling Green, where the Falcons have had their moments, but not many of them.

Just erase Toledo and type KSU then erase Bowling Green and replace it with KSU.

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04-27-2021 11:50 AM
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RE: Bainbridge in the Portal
Back to the original subject of this thread. Bainbridge heading to DII Ashland per Alan Moff
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RE: Bainbridge in the Portal
(04-26-2021 10:13 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 09:29 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  
(04-26-2021 07:30 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  I can't imagine they would not extend Senderoff's contract.

Personal opinion, I realize the grass isn't always greener on other side, but I feel Kent State can do better than Senderoff, I feel they have settled to certain degree under him. Similar vibe about Duncan (baseball) as well. Timing seems important though. Not just make a change for the sake of change.

In this era/climate for mid-major college basketball and playing in the Mid-American Conference, define 'doing better.'

Compared to the rest of the MAC ... what is better?

Is it Buffalo where success means a roster has been hit by the police blotter at least once a year, every year, going back to Hurley?

Is it Toledo, where the Rockets are pretty good, but not good enough.

Is it Bowling Green, where the Falcons have had their moments, but not many of them.

Is it Ohio, where the Bobcats have gone through a series of highs and lows the last 20 years.

Ditto for Akron.

Which program do you want Kent to look like? Which program is 'doing better' than Kent State? Not just for one season, but 5-10-15-20 seasons. More importantly is the university willing to do what it takes to 'do better.'

Yes, there is probably a coach out there who is better than Senderoff. But does he want to coach at Kent? Will he accept what Kent pays him. Will he be a 'team' player within the athletic department, or a lone wolf? Will his program look like Buffalo's, or Akron's or Toledo's or Ohio's ... and will that satisfy you. Or will you want to 'do better' all over again.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic, just realistic, particularly now when coaches no longer build teams as much as they put them together, year after year.

I'm seeing Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina ... right on down the line clamoring for one-and-done's in November then the transfer portal in April. This is no longer the 1980s, or even the 2000s. It's a different college basketball world.

What are coaches and teams like Senderoff and Kent State supposed to look like any more? What is 'doing better.'

Progams/teams can be decimated in the blink of an eye; look at Cleveland State, even Akron and Ohio, and those are programs that hit bottom and recovered. Now look at Cincinnati? Complete implosion. Personally ... perhaps the best way to 'do better' is for the new Kent AD to set some new markers down, a new yardstick for success (in all sports) that coaches and teams will have to measure up to. Something really tangible. What that is, I don't know.

Graduating players is nothing anymore when so few of them are around for four years to get a diploma where they started, anyway. It's a new game, a new world for college basketball. Frankly the most stable thing left is the coach, if he is a successful one, who is competitive and wins despite all this stuff. Kent may very well be able to 'do better.' But then again .... maybe not.
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RE: Bainbridge in the Portal
Verbalcommits.com reporting that Gabe O’Neal is transferring out. Yes, Bainbridge is going to Ashland.
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