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(03-23-2021 06:50 PM)46566 Wrote:  
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(03-23-2021 12:52 AM)46566 Wrote:  Would this effect their games on the ACC network?

No, not at all. It is limited to (for now) home football game replays, last year's game highlights, coaches' press conferences and some other original programming.

Oh okay. I thought it might be for streaming the Olympic sports. Basically countering the ACC network.

Notre Dame's Olympic sports are ON the ACC Network.
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(03-22-2021 10:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  I like the way BYU does BYUTV and makes their sports available. A great balance of revenue and availability. Of course, its on a massive scale compared to what this app hopes to be, which is essentially a cash cow and nothing more.

I doubt ND has the resources to make a real channel like BYU has, but it would bring in huge rewards if they found a way to make the investment.

Er, BYU has an endowment of about $2 Billion. Notre Dame has an endowment of about $12 Billion. So I don't think BYU could make any kind of investment that Notre Dame couldn't match, LOL.

What ND doesn't have are the rights to much live sports-event programming. ND's rights are basically owned by NBC with regards to football, and the rest of it is part of the ACC's media deal. So BYU can put more actual games and stuff on BYU TV (which I like, too) than can Notre Dame.
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(03-22-2021 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Tried to download this from Google Play and ... not compatible with my device, a Galaxy S8.

I downloaded it to my TV's using my Amazon Fire Sticks with no problems.

Yes, it's available on Google Play, it's just not compatible with my older Android device. I also tried to download it on my Roku smart TV and it's not available there either. My understanding is that FITV is available on Apple TV (which I do not have), Google Play, and Amazon, which is how you accessed it.

I do have an Amazon TV as well, so I shall try that.
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(03-26-2021 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  I like the way BYU does BYUTV and makes their sports available. A great balance of revenue and availability. Of course, its on a massive scale compared to what this app hopes to be, which is essentially a cash cow and nothing more.

I doubt ND has the resources to make a real channel like BYU has, but it would bring in huge rewards if they found a way to make the investment.

Er, BYU has an endowment of about $2 Billion. Notre Dame has an endowment of about $12 Billion. So I don't think BYU could make any kind of investment that Notre Dame couldn't match, LOL.

What ND doesn't have are the rights to much live sports-event programming. ND's rights are basically owned by NBC with regards to football, and the rest of it is part of the ACC's media deal. So BYU can put more actual games and stuff on BYU TV (which I like, too) than can Notre Dame.

Money probably is the only resource to you. Its not imagination...

Well, they don't have the resources to make sure their app can work on peoples devices. Roku and Android? Never heard of them. They'll never be popular. They don't have the resource of owning the content they could stream either. And they don't have an audience. Good thing an audience isn't a resource for a tv network. Oh, sorry for an "app." Either way, they can't afford to buy an audience for very long. They would be as broke as their new app.

But they don't want a network anyway, so its cool man... But it IS good to know they could if they wanted too, but that they just don't want to.COGSCOGSCOGS

As a ND poster pointed out, ND is not run by the Vatican or its money, and as an attempted slur, noted that BYU is owned by the LDS Church which has more money than ND's highly restricted endowment. Just a friendly FYI, since people feel the need to whip it out and measure.
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I can see this working if Notre Dame approaches it like BYUtv, but in a more PBS-like way since it's not owned by the Vatican. That is, provide rebroadcasts of sports programming as well as, say, some educational content that may not necessarily pertain to Catholic or even non-Catholic Christian theology in addition to the Catholic-themed content. You could even incorporate some Longhorn Network-type programming into the network, like showcasing some students' work if they're in television or print journalism or even budding filmmakers, for example.

In fact, they could also use it to stream classes from the school if they want. Do what the University of Houston used to do a long time ago: Air certain classes specifically recorded to be broadcast on television on our PBS station, KUHT. That way, if someone still wants to feel connected to the classroom in some way (or if they're behind and need to catch up), they could watch whichever sessions they want or need. (Or they could open up a second channel to do so.)

In my honest opinion, this way truly does have possibilities. The network doesn't have to be like EWTN. Hopefully, the university will see that as well.
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What's going to happen is NBC will re-up with Notre Dame on a big-time OTA deal for their football TV rights. They'll move Fighting Irish TV to Peacock. It's pretty obvious.
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(03-23-2021 09:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Hockey is its own thing so that might work as long as the BTN doesn't own those rights.
Pretty sure the BTN doesn't ... that is, the same deal as with the Johns Hopkins Men's Lacrosse affiliate, the affiliate keeps the home rights in lieu of a BTN revenue share.

I see from an NBC Sports press release that this season they've been on the NBCSN channel or NBCSN streaming, I don't know what the long term future for that relationship would be.
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(03-27-2021 03:17 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 09:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Hockey is its own thing so that might work as long as the BTN doesn't own those rights.
Pretty sure the BTN doesn't ... that is, the same deal as with the Johns Hopkins Men's Lacrosse affiliate, the affiliate keeps the home rights in lieu of a BTN revenue share.

I see from an NBC Sports press release that this season they've been on the NBCSN channel or NBCSN streaming, I don't know what the long term future for that relationship would be.

ND has a separate hockey contract with NBCSN.

It kind of mirrors the NBC/ESPN setup for ND football.

ND home games are broadcast on NBCSN.

ND keeps that money.

ND Big Ten away games are the property of the Big Ten Network.

ND gets none of that money.

I expect the hockey contract to migrate to Peacock.
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(03-26-2021 11:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  I can see this working if Notre Dame approaches it like BYUtv, but in a more PBS-like way since it's not owned by the Vatican. That is, provide rebroadcasts of sports programming as well as, say, some educational content that may not necessarily pertain to Catholic or even non-Catholic Christian theology in addition to the Catholic-themed content. You could even incorporate some Longhorn Network-type programming into the network, like showcasing some students' work if they're in television or print journalism or even budding filmmakers, for example.

In fact, they could also use it to stream classes from the school if they want. Do what the University of Houston used to do a long time ago: Air certain classes specifically recorded to be broadcast on television on our PBS station, KUHT. That way, if someone still wants to feel connected to the classroom in some way (or if they're behind and need to catch up), they could watch whichever sessions they want or need. (Or they could open up a second channel to do so.)

In my honest opinion, this way truly does have possibilities. The network doesn't have to be like EWTN. Hopefully, the university will see that as well.

You will never see anything but ND sports content on this.

ND has no desire to have an EWTN or BYUtv setup.
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(03-26-2021 09:35 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-26-2021 07:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  I like the way BYU does BYUTV and makes their sports available. A great balance of revenue and availability. Of course, its on a massive scale compared to what this app hopes to be, which is essentially a cash cow and nothing more.

I doubt ND has the resources to make a real channel like BYU has, but it would bring in huge rewards if they found a way to make the investment.

Er, BYU has an endowment of about $2 Billion. Notre Dame has an endowment of about $12 Billion. So I don't think BYU could make any kind of investment that Notre Dame couldn't match, LOL.

What ND doesn't have are the rights to much live sports-event programming. ND's rights are basically owned by NBC with regards to football, and the rest of it is part of the ACC's media deal. So BYU can put more actual games and stuff on BYU TV (which I like, too) than can Notre Dame.

Money probably is the only resource to you. Its not imagination...

Well, they don't have the resources to make sure their app can work on peoples devices. Roku and Android? Never heard of them. They'll never be popular. They don't have the resource of owning the content they could stream either. And they don't have an audience. Good thing an audience isn't a resource for a tv network. Oh, sorry for an "app." Either way, they can't afford to buy an audience for very long. They would be as broke as their new app.

But they don't want a network anyway, so its cool man... But it IS good to know they could if they wanted too, but that they just don't want to.COGSCOGSCOGS

As a ND poster pointed out, ND is not run by the Vatican or its money, and as an attempted slur, noted that BYU is owned by the LDS Church which has more money than ND's highly restricted endowment. Just a friendly FYI, since people feel the need to whip it out and measure.

Eh, money is a reasonable definition of resources. App compatibility? It isn't uncommon at all for a new app to be released on just certain platforms (FITV is on Android, just not compatible with older devices like mine), and extending it to others like Roku is an easy technical fix. And in four years ND will own its football rights (a current limitation I did mention, btw) again and could put them on FITV if it wanted. And an audience is something you try to build with a network, not a resource. If by audience you mean audience potential so to speak, people out there who might be interested in a network's content, well surely Notre Dame has a bigger one, in terms of athletics here in the USA, than does BYU.

As for finances, university endowments, restricted as they are, are still a better measure of assets available to a school than broader sponsoring organizations. The LDS sponsors BYU but that doesn't mean BYU has access to all of its resources, any more than Notre Dame has access to all the resources of the Congregation of the Holy Cross, it's sponsoring organization - which is part of the Diocese of France, which itself is part of the global Catholic church led by the Vatican. That doesn't mean the Vatican will sell a Michelangelo statue to help Notre Dame. Both the LDS and the Catholic Church have other priorities, LOL.

But with a $14B endowment, about $12B more than BYU, Notre Dame doesn't need the help.

As I also said, I like BYU TV. I have it as an app on my smart TVs. Every so often a BYU sporting event pops up that I watch on it. It's a great asset for BYU. But to doubt that ND has the resources to do the same just doesn't make sense to me.
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Turning this thread into BYUTV vs FITV has prompted one of the dumbest conversations of all-time.
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(03-27-2021 08:49 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Turning this thread into BYUTV vs FITV has prompted one of the dumbest conversations of all-time.

Thank quo vadis for reviving the discussion that had died pages ago.
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(03-27-2021 08:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Eh, money is a reasonable definition of resources.

Not in this case though.

Quote:If by audience you mean audience potential so to speak, people out there who might be interested in a network's content, well surely Notre Dame has a bigger one, in terms of athletics here in the USA, than does BYU.

That's the picture you're refusing to see. BYUtv is not just or not primarily about athletics. It's about spreading Mormonism.

Quote:Both the LDS and the Catholic Church have other priorities, LOL.

Ponder this: BYUtv is a priority for the LDS church. And BYU is much more integrated into the LDS power structure than any Catholic university is. Comparing BYU vs Notre Dame prevents you from seeing that, from seeing why Notre Dame isn't in position to do a BYUtv. It's not really BYUtv, it's LDStv.

Mormons are outsiders to most contemporary culture in a way that Catholics just aren't. That sets up a market for a strongly loyal niche channel following.

Quote:But to doubt that ND has the resources to do the same just doesn't make sense to me.

Maybe substitute a near-synonym for resources--assets? advantages? Leveragable qualities? Something that doesn't just include bank account numbers, and doesn't just include athletics.

Imagine that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell had formed a partnership long ago, and held on to ownership of the Family Channel. Sure, Liberty University athletics would be some of the highest rated Family Channel programming, but just considering LU athletics wouldn't give you a picture of the Family Channel operations, audience, goals and priorities.
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I've read some of this thread and am completely lost.

This stuff confuses a simpleton like myself.
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(03-27-2021 10:08 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've read some of this thread and am completely lost.

This stuff confuses a simpleton like myself.

TLDR: Notre Dame is upgrading / updating their phone app to work on TV's. It's going to have stats, scores, info, livestreams of press conferences, video of old games.

It's not available/ compatible with some devices.

People immediately starting playing what-if, and saying well what-if they started showing games on it, bypassing the networks. And a big hullaballoo about whether Notre Dame can or should try to duplicate BYUtv.
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(03-27-2021 10:15 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 10:08 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I've read some of this thread and am completely lost.

This stuff confuses a simpleton like myself.

TLDR: Notre Dame is upgrading / updating their phone app to work on TV's. It's going to have stats, scores, info, livestreams of press conferences, video of old games.

It's not available/ compatible with some devices.

People immediately starting playing what-if, and saying well what-if they started showing games on it, bypassing the networks. And a big hullaballoo about whether Notre Dame can or should try to duplicate BYUtv.

Great synopsis.
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(03-27-2021 09:06 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 08:49 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Turning this thread into BYUTV vs FITV has prompted one of the dumbest conversations of all-time.

Thank quo vadis for reviving the discussion that had died pages ago.

My first comment on this topic was post #62. The last comment by someone else that that referenced BYU TV before then was all the way back at ........ post #57.

If that's "pages ago" to you, well then you're correct.

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(03-27-2021 10:06 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 08:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Eh, money is a reasonable definition of resources.

Not in this case though.

Quote:If by audience you mean audience potential so to speak, people out there who might be interested in a network's content, well surely Notre Dame has a bigger one, in terms of athletics here in the USA, than does BYU.

That's the picture you're refusing to see. BYUtv is not just or not primarily about athletics. It's about spreading Mormonism.

What makes you think I'm "refusing to see" that BYU TV has a mission that goes beyond sports? I focus on the sports aspect because well, any comparison to FITV is about the sports dimension of BYU TV only as FITV is, as far as is known, a sports-oriented app. This is a sports forum and we are talking about the deliver of sports content. I couldn't care less about Notre Dame's ability to create networks that spread the Jesuit approach to Catholicism or cover the research publications of their Law School or anything else of that nature as those are not really on-topic for this forum. And that's saying something, as this forum has a pretty broad "focus". But I think "college sports" as a fence around it is pretty defensible.

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(03-26-2021 11:12 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  I can see this working if Notre Dame approaches it like BYUtv, but in a more PBS-like way since it's not owned by the Vatican. That is, provide rebroadcasts of sports programming as well as, say, some educational content that may not necessarily pertain to Catholic or even non-Catholic Christian theology in addition to the Catholic-themed content. You could even incorporate some Longhorn Network-type programming into the network, like showcasing some students' work if they're in television or print journalism or even budding filmmakers, for example.

In fact, they could also use it to stream classes from the school if they want. Do what the University of Houston used to do a long time ago: Air certain classes specifically recorded to be broadcast on television on our PBS station, KUHT. That way, if someone still wants to feel connected to the classroom in some way (or if they're behind and need to catch up), they could watch whichever sessions they want or need. (Or they could open up a second channel to do so.)

In my honest opinion, this way truly does have possibilities. The network doesn't have to be like EWTN. Hopefully, the university will see that as well.

You will never see anything but ND sports content on this.

ND has no desire to have an EWTN or BYUtv setup.

Okay. I just thought I'd add my two cents.
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(03-27-2021 11:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 10:06 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-27-2021 08:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Eh, money is a reasonable definition of resources.

Not in this case though.

Quote:If by audience you mean audience potential so to speak, people out there who might be interested in a network's content, well surely Notre Dame has a bigger one, in terms of athletics here in the USA, than does BYU.

That's the picture you're refusing to see. BYUtv is not just or not primarily about athletics. It's about spreading Mormonism.

What makes you think I'm "refusing to see" that BYU TV has a mission that goes beyond sports? I focus on the sports aspect because well, any comparison to FITV is about the sports dimension of BYU TV only as FITV is, as far as is known, a sports-oriented app. This is a sports forum and we are talking about the deliver of sports content. I couldn't care less about Notre Dame's ability to create networks that spread the Jesuit approach to Catholicism or cover the research publications of their Law School or anything else of that nature as those are not really on-topic for this forum. And that's saying something, as this forum has a pretty broad "focus". But I think "college sports" as a fence around it is pretty defensible.

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That's fair. But others (ahem, maybe one guy) were arguing that BYUtv was the relevant comparison. And limiting the discussion to sports, you'd be looking at BYUtv as if it were the Longhorn Network, and it's not.

It's all pretty wildly off topic--FITV isn't even the Longhorn Network. And it isn't supposed to be.
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