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RE: ND unveils "Fighting Irish TV"
(03-22-2021 10:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So bye bye...NBC contract.

Hope your administrators have thought this out. ND home games will be so exclusive no one will see them if you basically create a PPV platform.

Um, no, that's not even close to what this is. This is an upgrade/ replacement for the existing Notre Dame app. "ND home games on Fighting Irish TV" is a journalist speculating--in other words, just another dope talking garbage on the internet, a sub-blue-check journalist. No quotes, on the record or off, were tied to that nonsense.

From the tech executive that's building the thing:
“We are fortunate to work with an innovative partner in Notre Dame that shares our passion for forward-thinking digital strategies,” said WMT Founder and CEO Andres Focil. “Fighting Irish TV is another great storytelling tool for the University, as it complements UND.com and the Fighting Irish Mobile app, while also giving fans more and better ways to access unique and exclusive content from Fighting Irish Media.”

UND.com, Fighting Irish Mobile app. Except for TV.



ND home games might not be on NBC in the next package, but they'll be on a non-Notre Dame outlet, I guar-an-damn-tee. And at least half of the home games will be on a first-class network, either OTA or ESPN. The other half might also be OTA/ESPN, or in a bigtime package like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+/ESPN+.

This is for secondary content. I'm not sure it's smart to build your own TVSo studio to do this, rather than partnering with a big dog--that's how the PAC-12 got where they are. I had never heard of WMT, so I googled. They do social media for a lot of big-time athletic departments--Ohio State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Arkansas, Georgia Tech. https://wmt.digital/. (Don't get mad at me if I didn't list your fave, that's the first five that popped up).

Based on that, I don't think this is intended to do live game coverage. That's a different level of tech--remember, when MLB built BAMtech to take care of their MLB.com internet bandwidth game coverage, they ended up selling BAMtech and the tech for a zillion dollars.

(03-22-2021 10:49 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:45 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  I like the way BYU does BYUTV and makes their sports available. A great balance of revenue and availability. Of course, its on a massive scale compared to what this app hopes to be, which is essentially a cash cow and nothing more.

I doubt ND has the resources to make a real channel like BYU has, but it would bring in huge rewards if they found a way to make the investment.

Not sure if serious

ND may carry the inconsequential northeastern and much of the midwestern portions of the US, but BYU has Utah and parts of Hawaii and Guam!

BYUtv isn't just about BYU sports. It's a full-spectrum Mormon tv network. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYU_TV. The comparison wouldn't be BYUtv to Fighting Irish TV, it would be more like BYUtv to Pat Robertson's old Family Channel.

There's a big market for G-to-PG-rated entertainment that's guaranteed to not shade into PG-13. (Big by 21st century market segment standards, not big by pre-cable pre-internet network TV standards). A lot of that market is Mormon, but not all. If you're a socially conservative parent, you can green-light your kid watching anything on BYUtv without worrying. (I learned about BYUtv's non-BYU football programming when my air force brat kids were watching Studio C with other air force brat kids. It's like Saturday Night Live, if SNL were running at 8 p.m. on Wednesdays in 1985)

Put it this way: BYUtv signed up Wayne Brady to do a reality comedy competition show thing. (I saw that today when I scrolled the wikipedia page)

Quote:If we wanted to we could make an EWTN type network and get more viewers then BYU. Ludicrous argument

Eyeballs are a great resource and we get a bunch more then BYU. The question is want to, not if we can.

Money ain't all the story, but it is the pen that writes it.

I just don't think that's true. For one thing, EWTN already exists. For another thing, BYUtv isn't just about athletics, it's a full-spectrum G-to-PG television channel.

Outside of athletics, Notre Dame doesn't have that kind of presence. The Catholic Church does, but I think the Mormons have a much more unified vision of what they're trying to do than the 2021 American or English-speaking Roman Catholic Church.

(03-23-2021 07:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 01:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:33 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Are you saying BYU is a bigger brand name then ND? How many Mormons are there? 12 million total? What are BYU's ratings on tv? This is a bad argument just tap out.

FYI- there is at minimum 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide. This is DavidSt type argument.

ND can create a station, but it won't be a network like BYUTV. Check, there are thousands of religious channels, but very, very few are catholic. Because, guaging the market, few of these Catholics want to watch Catholic broadcasting. I can't even name one nationwide Catholic network. A ND tv network could not get viewers. Without viewers, you have a pile of broadcasting equipment, not a network. No one wants to a watch a 24 hour mixed programming Catholic TV channel, especially one focused only on one university. If you think otherwise, you are not very savvy.

Not saying BYU is a bigger brand than ND. But its a brand their viewers want. And if ND had a tv brand viewers wanted, it would already exist. Stick to some sports on an app man. No university has a a real commercial tv network like BYUTV. Not even close. And if no others are doing it, I doubt ND is willing to put enough money into one to make work.

How many of the 1.2 billion have cable
How many towers in how many countries would it take to reach 1.2 billion people?
How many of the 1.2 billion are in the 3rd world and don't even know what streaming is, let alone be able to it?
A huge number means nothing if they dont /can't watch your channel man.
And most BYUTV viewers are not even LDS btw.

I truly hate to be the one to inform you that money isn't the only resource in the world. ND has more than most. I get that. But that doesn't mean they can do TV. They can have a nice sports app that airs old games and a couple live games a season or something, and some of the women's sports, but currently, a full network like BYUTV is simply beyond their scope. Sorry.
FYI a ton of ND viewers are atheist or protestant. Still dwarfs anything BYU can produce.

You mean ND sports fans. Well, duh....

ND has no interest in a BYUTV channel.

This is not what this is. This is a sports app on a television. Period.

So, you derail this thread with a stance that nobody at ND even considered, wants or desires.

ND is a school, separate from the Catholic Church and run by the Holy Cross Fathers, a separate Order of priests, not the Vatican.

The Vatican has no say at all regarding what happens at Notre Dame.

You conflate ND with BYU. Two different things, altogether.

BYU is run directly by the Mormon Church hierarchy and is directly part of that religion's mission.

Hence, the entire Mormon Church is invested in BYUTV.

ND is not that, at all. It is a private university, interested in promoting its football team, not on a worldwide "mission" to convert people to Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church itself has no interest in this, none.

So, your thoughts on BYUTV versus this app are pretty much irrelevant.

Much wisdom in this post, Terry.

And, I played into it, sorry.

But we *like* arguing about TV networks!!!

(03-23-2021 07:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 07:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  Todor doesn’t have an argument to tap out of.

Fighting Irish Tv, the new app. It sucks. Others do better. There's no debate. You're right.

So the thing you haven't seen, that barely exists yet, sucks. Strong argument there.

Honest question: can I go on a BYUtv app somewhere and watch games from the 1984 BYU national championship season? Because it sounds like I could go to Fighting Irish TV and watch their games from 1984. Oh, actually the archive for FITV only goes back to 1991.

So could I watch BYU games from 2006-07, when BYU was ranked, on some kind of BYUtv app, on demand? That's close to an apples-to-apples, at least on an apple tree-to-supermarket basis (they both got apples)
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(03-23-2021 07:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 01:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:33 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Are you saying BYU is a bigger brand name then ND? How many Mormons are there? 12 million total? What are BYU's ratings on tv? This is a bad argument just tap out.

FYI- there is at minimum 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide. This is DavidSt type argument.

ND can create a station, but it won't be a network like BYUTV. Check, there are thousands of religious channels, but very, very few are catholic. Because, guaging the market, few of these Catholics want to watch Catholic broadcasting. I can't even name one nationwide Catholic network. A ND tv network could not get viewers. Without viewers, you have a pile of broadcasting equipment, not a network. No one wants to a watch a 24 hour mixed programming Catholic TV channel, especially one focused only on one university. If you think otherwise, you are not very savvy.

Not saying BYU is a bigger brand than ND. But its a brand their viewers want. And if ND had a tv brand viewers wanted, it would already exist. Stick to some sports on an app man. No university has a a real commercial tv network like BYUTV. Not even close. And if no others are doing it, I doubt ND is willing to put enough money into one to make work.

How many of the 1.2 billion have cable
How many towers in how many countries would it take to reach 1.2 billion people?
How many of the 1.2 billion are in the 3rd world and don't even know what streaming is, let alone be able to it?
A huge number means nothing if they dont /can't watch your channel man.
And most BYUTV viewers are not even LDS btw.

I truly hate to be the one to inform you that money isn't the only resource in the world. ND has more than most. I get that. But that doesn't mean they can do TV. They can have a nice sports app that airs old games and a couple live games a season or something, and some of the women's sports, but currently, a full network like BYUTV is simply beyond their scope. Sorry.
FYI a ton of ND viewers are atheist or protestant. Still dwarfs anything BYU can produce.

You mean ND sports fans. Well, duh....

ND has no interest in a BYUTV channel.

This is not what this is. This is a sports app on a television. Period.

So, you derail this thread with a stance that nobody at ND even considered, wants or desires.

ND is a school, separate from the Catholic Church and run by the Holy Cross Fathers, a separate Order of priests, not the Vatican.

The Vatican has no say at all regarding what happens at Notre Dame.

You conflate ND with BYU. Two different things, altogether.

BYU is run directly by the Mormon Church hierarchy and is directly part of that religion's mission.

Hence, the entire Mormon Church is invested in BYUTV.

ND is not that, at all. It is a private university, interested in promoting its football team, not on a worldwide "mission" to convert people to Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church itself has no interest in this, none.

So, your thoughts on BYUTV versus this app are pretty much irrelevant.

Right - I don't understand this comparison at all. BYUtv is a church-led TV channel to spread its broader religious mission that also happens to carry some BYU sports.

This new ND platform is a pure sports app - pure and simple. Its sole purpose to provide some more access to ND athletic content. So, its comparisons are ESPN+, Stadium, etc.
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Why, on gods green earth does the ND athletics department cite The Longhorn Network and BYUTV Sports as exactly what they are trying to emulate? Why?

Because, as ND has stated, they have too many sports properties that are on their own, hard to manage, hard for fans to find, and not working together.

ND fans here can say the opposite, just to prove they are "right" but ND is saying exactly what I am saying as well. Don't take it so personally people.
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(03-23-2021 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 06:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I find it curious that they aren’t partnering with NBC on this and that this isn’t part of Peacock.

It makes me wonder where the ND-NBC relationship is going

Why would ND need NBC for this, anyway?


To your point, ND's contract with NBC is up in four years. ND usually just renews a couple of years before the contract expires.

Is this a shot across the bow to NBC to pay more next time?

Will ND take its contract on the open market?

Or, is this just forward thinking and planning for the coming world of all streaming and on demand access, but on televisions, not phones/laptops/pads?

Is this simply just a way for ND to present "Tier 3" type content to its fans directly on their televisions without a partner?

Finally, would a school who was interested in joining the ACC in football any time in the future do this? Does this signal a firm intent to remain independent indefinitely?

Time will tell.

In the short term, I think it's the bold of third tier rights. You can see this in the new NFL and NHL deals that were just signed in the past couple of weeks. For all of the press about the streaming components, the *core* product is still all about traditional linear television. We're not seeing Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football or the NFC/AFC Sunday afternoon packages going to exclusive streaming at all and this new deal ensures that it won't happen for at least the next decade. There's just no way that ND football games (the most valuable product that the university has) are going to end up streaming exclusive for a long time. A third party (whether it's NBC or someone else) is going to step in to pay way more revenue to ND for those games than what it could realistically ever hope to get from a direct OTT platform.

The streaming components are about maximizing revenue on the margins: the weaker Thursday Night Football package for the NFL or the out-of-market games for the NHL.

So, this ND platform is suited to present all of the Irish sports that aren't on linear television: a lot of hockey, volleyball, women's basketball, the handful of men's basketball games that aren't on ESPN/ACCN, baseball, lacrosse, etc. Of course, most importantly, it also needs access to all movies and TV shows that reference Notre Dame like "Rudy", "Knute Rockne, All-American", "The West Wing", etc. That's the value of on-demand!
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RE: ND unveils "Fighting Irish TV"
(03-23-2021 08:49 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 06:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I find it curious that they aren’t partnering with NBC on this and that this isn’t part of Peacock.

It makes me wonder where the ND-NBC relationship is going

Why would ND need NBC for this, anyway?


To your point, ND's contract with NBC is up in four years. ND usually just renews a couple of years before the contract expires.

Is this a shot across the bow to NBC to pay more next time?

Will ND take its contract on the open market?

Or, is this just forward thinking and planning for the coming world of all streaming and on demand access, but on televisions, not phones/laptops/pads?

Is this simply just a way for ND to present "Tier 3" type content to its fans directly on their televisions without a partner?

Finally, would a school who was interested in joining the ACC in football any time in the future do this? Does this signal a firm intent to remain independent indefinitely?

Time will tell.

In the short term, I think it's the bold of third tier rights. You can see this in the new NFL and NHL deals that were just signed in the past couple of weeks. For all of the press about the streaming components, the *core* product is still all about traditional linear television. We're not seeing Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football or the NFC/AFC Sunday afternoon packages going to exclusive streaming at all and this new deal ensures that it won't happen for at least the next decade. There's just no way that ND football games (the most valuable product that the university has) are going to end up streaming exclusive for a long time. A third party (whether it's NBC or someone else) is going to step in to pay way more revenue to ND for those games than what it could realistically ever hope to get from a direct OTT platform.

The streaming components are about maximizing revenue on the margins: the weaker Thursday Night Football package for the NFL or the out-of-market games for the NHL.

So, this ND platform is suited to present all of the Irish sports that aren't on linear television: a lot of hockey, volleyball, women's basketball, the handful of men's basketball games that aren't on ESPN/ACCN, baseball, lacrosse, etc. Of course, most importantly, it also needs access to all movies and TV shows that reference Notre Dame like "Rudy", "Knute Rockne, All-American", "The West Wing", etc. That's the value of on-demand!

I don't think ND can show anything that is apart of the ACC on this platform, correct?

Doesn't the ACC Network/ESPN own all the rights to all ACC sports. If it's going to be broadcast doesn't it have to be on ACC Network Extra on the ESPN app?

Hockey is its own thing so that might work as long as the BTN doesn't own those rights

This is probably just a place to go to get highlights and press conferences.
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(03-23-2021 08:30 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:34 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So bye bye...NBC contract.

Hope your administrators have thought this out. ND home games will be so exclusive no one will see them if you basically create a PPV platform.

Um, no, that's not even close to what this is. This is an upgrade/ replacement for the existing Notre Dame app. "ND home games on Fighting Irish TV" is a journalist speculating--in other words, just another dope talking garbage on the internet, a sub-blue-check journalist. No quotes, on the record or off, were tied to that nonsense.

From the tech executive that's building the thing:
“We are fortunate to work with an innovative partner in Notre Dame that shares our passion for forward-thinking digital strategies,” said WMT Founder and CEO Andres Focil. “Fighting Irish TV is another great storytelling tool for the University, as it complements UND.com and the Fighting Irish Mobile app, while also giving fans more and better ways to access unique and exclusive content from Fighting Irish Media.”

UND.com, Fighting Irish Mobile app. Except for TV.



ND home games might not be on NBC in the next package, but they'll be on a non-Notre Dame outlet, I guar-an-damn-tee. And at least half of the home games will be on a first-class network, either OTA or ESPN. The other half might also be OTA/ESPN, or in a bigtime package like Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney+/ESPN+.

This is for secondary content. I'm not sure it's smart to build your own TVSo studio to do this, rather than partnering with a big dog--that's how the PAC-12 got where they are. I had never heard of WMT, so I googled. They do social media for a lot of big-time athletic departments--Ohio State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Arkansas, Georgia Tech. https://wmt.digital/. (Don't get mad at me if I didn't list your fave, that's the first five that popped up).

Based on that, I don't think this is intended to do live game coverage. That's a different level of tech--remember, when MLB built BAMtech to take care of their MLB.com internet bandwidth game coverage, they ended up selling BAMtech and the tech for a zillion dollars.

(03-22-2021 10:49 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:45 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:42 PM)Todor Wrote:  I like the way BYU does BYUTV and makes their sports available. A great balance of revenue and availability. Of course, its on a massive scale compared to what this app hopes to be, which is essentially a cash cow and nothing more.

I doubt ND has the resources to make a real channel like BYU has, but it would bring in huge rewards if they found a way to make the investment.

Not sure if serious

ND may carry the inconsequential northeastern and much of the midwestern portions of the US, but BYU has Utah and parts of Hawaii and Guam!

BYUtv isn't just about BYU sports. It's a full-spectrum Mormon tv network. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYU_TV. The comparison wouldn't be BYUtv to Fighting Irish TV, it would be more like BYUtv to Pat Robertson's old Family Channel.

There's a big market for G-to-PG-rated entertainment that's guaranteed to not shade into PG-13. (Big by 21st century market segment standards, not big by pre-cable pre-internet network TV standards). A lot of that market is Mormon, but not all. If you're a socially conservative parent, you can green-light your kid watching anything on BYUtv without worrying. (I learned about BYUtv's non-BYU football programming when my air force brat kids were watching Studio C with other air force brat kids. It's like Saturday Night Live, if SNL were running at 8 p.m. on Wednesdays in 1985)

Put it this way: BYUtv signed up Wayne Brady to do a reality comedy competition show thing. (I saw that today when I scrolled the wikipedia page)

Quote:If we wanted to we could make an EWTN type network and get more viewers then BYU. Ludicrous argument

Eyeballs are a great resource and we get a bunch more then BYU. The question is want to, not if we can.

Money ain't all the story, but it is the pen that writes it.

I just don't think that's true. For one thing, EWTN already exists. For another thing, BYUtv isn't just about athletics, it's a full-spectrum G-to-PG television channel.

Outside of athletics, Notre Dame doesn't have that kind of presence. The Catholic Church does, but I think the Mormons have a much more unified vision of what they're trying to do than the 2021 American or English-speaking Roman Catholic Church.

(03-23-2021 07:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 01:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  ND can create a station, but it won't be a network like BYUTV. Check, there are thousands of religious channels, but very, very few are catholic. Because, guaging the market, few of these Catholics want to watch Catholic broadcasting. I can't even name one nationwide Catholic network. A ND tv network could not get viewers. Without viewers, you have a pile of broadcasting equipment, not a network. No one wants to a watch a 24 hour mixed programming Catholic TV channel, especially one focused only on one university. If you think otherwise, you are not very savvy.

Not saying BYU is a bigger brand than ND. But its a brand their viewers want. And if ND had a tv brand viewers wanted, it would already exist. Stick to some sports on an app man. No university has a a real commercial tv network like BYUTV. Not even close. And if no others are doing it, I doubt ND is willing to put enough money into one to make work.

How many of the 1.2 billion have cable
How many towers in how many countries would it take to reach 1.2 billion people?
How many of the 1.2 billion are in the 3rd world and don't even know what streaming is, let alone be able to it?
A huge number means nothing if they dont /can't watch your channel man.
And most BYUTV viewers are not even LDS btw.

I truly hate to be the one to inform you that money isn't the only resource in the world. ND has more than most. I get that. But that doesn't mean they can do TV. They can have a nice sports app that airs old games and a couple live games a season or something, and some of the women's sports, but currently, a full network like BYUTV is simply beyond their scope. Sorry.
FYI a ton of ND viewers are atheist or protestant. Still dwarfs anything BYU can produce.

You mean ND sports fans. Well, duh....

ND has no interest in a BYUTV channel.

This is not what this is. This is a sports app on a television. Period.

So, you derail this thread with a stance that nobody at ND even considered, wants or desires.

ND is a school, separate from the Catholic Church and run by the Holy Cross Fathers, a separate Order of priests, not the Vatican.

The Vatican has no say at all regarding what happens at Notre Dame.

You conflate ND with BYU. Two different things, altogether.

BYU is run directly by the Mormon Church hierarchy and is directly part of that religion's mission.

Hence, the entire Mormon Church is invested in BYUTV.

ND is not that, at all. It is a private university, interested in promoting its football team, not on a worldwide "mission" to convert people to Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church itself has no interest in this, none.

So, your thoughts on BYUTV versus this app are pretty much irrelevant.

Much wisdom in this post, Terry.

And, I played into it, sorry.

But we *like* arguing about TV networks!!!

(03-23-2021 07:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 07:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  Todor doesn’t have an argument to tap out of.

Fighting Irish Tv, the new app. It sucks. Others do better. There's no debate. You're right.

So the thing you haven't seen, that barely exists yet, sucks. Strong argument there.

Honest question: can I go on a BYUtv app somewhere and watch games from the 1984 BYU national championship season? Because it sounds like I could go to Fighting Irish TV and watch their games from 1984. Oh, actually the archive for FITV only goes back to 1991.

So could I watch BYU games from 2006-07, when BYU was ranked, on some kind of BYUtv app, on demand? That's close to an apples-to-apples, at least on an apple tree-to-supermarket basis (they both got apples)

Yes, that is exactly what it has. Yes, its a whole network, but you just go to the app, click sports, and scroll through what's available for 40 seasons. Exactly the same thing, but integrated into the same app/site/platform as a daily sports center type show covering any sports topic, coaches shows, previews etc.

And I have seen it. They released it with limited functionality. Don't kill the messenger.
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(03-23-2021 09:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 08:49 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 06:54 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 06:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I find it curious that they aren’t partnering with NBC on this and that this isn’t part of Peacock.

It makes me wonder where the ND-NBC relationship is going

Why would ND need NBC for this, anyway?


To your point, ND's contract with NBC is up in four years. ND usually just renews a couple of years before the contract expires.

Is this a shot across the bow to NBC to pay more next time?

Will ND take its contract on the open market?

Or, is this just forward thinking and planning for the coming world of all streaming and on demand access, but on televisions, not phones/laptops/pads?

Is this simply just a way for ND to present "Tier 3" type content to its fans directly on their televisions without a partner?

Finally, would a school who was interested in joining the ACC in football any time in the future do this? Does this signal a firm intent to remain independent indefinitely?

Time will tell.

In the short term, I think it's the bold of third tier rights. You can see this in the new NFL and NHL deals that were just signed in the past couple of weeks. For all of the press about the streaming components, the *core* product is still all about traditional linear television. We're not seeing Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football or the NFC/AFC Sunday afternoon packages going to exclusive streaming at all and this new deal ensures that it won't happen for at least the next decade. There's just no way that ND football games (the most valuable product that the university has) are going to end up streaming exclusive for a long time. A third party (whether it's NBC or someone else) is going to step in to pay way more revenue to ND for those games than what it could realistically ever hope to get from a direct OTT platform.

The streaming components are about maximizing revenue on the margins: the weaker Thursday Night Football package for the NFL or the out-of-market games for the NHL.

So, this ND platform is suited to present all of the Irish sports that aren't on linear television: a lot of hockey, volleyball, women's basketball, the handful of men's basketball games that aren't on ESPN/ACCN, baseball, lacrosse, etc. Of course, most importantly, it also needs access to all movies and TV shows that reference Notre Dame like "Rudy", "Knute Rockne, All-American", "The West Wing", etc. That's the value of on-demand!

I don't think ND can show anything that is apart of the ACC on this platform, correct?

Doesn't the ACC Network/ESPN own all the rights to all ACC sports. If it's going to be broadcast doesn't it have to be on ACC Network Extra on the ESPN app?

Hockey is its own thing so that might work as long as the BTN doesn't own those rights

This is probably just a place to go to get highlights and press conferences.

Bingo. I don't see any indication from quoted ND people that this is going to have live game coverage. Livestreaming press conferences looks to be the ceiling of the ambitions. (For now, anyway, in the future anything could change, but I don't think it's worth speculating how the Notre Dame Robot Football League team is going to get wifi-ed into our Black Mirror brain implants)
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(03-23-2021 08:49 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  So, this ND platform is suited to present all of the Irish sports that aren't on linear television: a lot of hockey, volleyball, women's basketball, the handful of men's basketball games that aren't on ESPN/ACCN, baseball, lacrosse, etc.

That's all pledged to the ACCN/ESPN deal (except for hockey). Anything not currently televised, I'd expect to end up on ESPN+
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(03-23-2021 08:46 AM)Todor Wrote:  Why, on gods green earth does the ND athletics department cite The Longhorn Network and BYUTV Sports as exactly what they are trying to emulate? Why?

Um, is the Notre Dame athletics department saying that? Quote? source?

What I've seen in a morning of casual googling is a lot of journalists and amateur journalists saying that. Not at all the same.

a dude from "fightingirishwire.com" saying ZOMG NOTRE DAME FOOTBALL IS GONNA BE STREAMING ONLY is not the same as something an actual ND spokesman says.

I could be wrong--it happens on very rare occasions. Is this one of them? source?

Quote:Because, as ND has stated, they have too many sports properties that are on their own, hard to manage, hard for fans to find, and not working together.

ND fans here can say the opposite, just to prove they are "right" but ND is saying exactly what I am saying as well. Don't take it so personally people.

Where did ND say that though? If you remove wild speculation from internet dorks frantically trying to be interesting? (Present company, um, included. 02-13-banana)
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(03-23-2021 09:06 AM)Todor Wrote:  
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(03-23-2021 07:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  Fighting Irish Tv, the new app. It sucks. Others do better. There's no debate. You're right.

So the thing you haven't seen, that barely exists yet, sucks. Strong argument there.

Honest question: can I go on a BYUtv app somewhere and watch games from the 1984 BYU national championship season? Because it sounds like I could go to Fighting Irish TV and watch their games from 1984. Oh, actually the archive for FITV only goes back to 1991.

So could I watch BYU games from 2006-07, when BYU was ranked, on some kind of BYUtv app, on demand? That's close to an apples-to-apples, at least on an apple tree-to-supermarket basis (they both got apples)

Yes, that is exactly what it has. Yes, its a whole network, but you just go to the app, click sports, and scroll through what's available for 40 seasons. Exactly the same thing, but integrated into the same app/site/platform as a daily sports center type show covering any sports topic, coaches shows, previews etc.

And I have seen it. They released it with limited functionality. Don't kill the messenger.

OK, you've seen the new ND TV app, and you say it sucks.

I'm curious. Without comparing it to the entire BYUtv operation, what does it not do that you think it should do? Or what does it do badly, in your opinion?

Don't say live game coverage, because it's not supposed to do that. Those rights are pledged to the ACC, and have already been sold to ESPN/2/U/ACCN/ESPN+ for the next 10+ years.
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Google says this app is "Not available for any of my devices".

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You haven't really made it until you're on Roku, anyway.


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(03-23-2021 12:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:33 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 11:56 PM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 11:38 PM)VCE Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 11:22 PM)Todor Wrote:  Yes, serious.

ND has a $14 billion endowment and makes enough money from football to endow a tv network.

Oh, sure, they could buy the transmitting equipment, towers, studio, and server space I suppose. But there's a lot more to a tv network than the equipment. There's programming, audience, getting on over the air broadcast channels in multiple nations, multiple languages, sustaining it all, getting onto 600 cable systems, Dish, Fios etc. Not to mention actually making it successful.

But mostly the resources are less tangible, like the will to do it, the mission behind it. Who would watch it? Unless they would just pay people to sit and watch it, which they can t afford to do, I don't see how they could get viewers.

Notre Dame could not replicate BYUTV easily. Not with the resources they have. Mayne if the Vatican paid for it, otherwise they will have to stick to apps etc.

Are you saying BYU is a bigger brand name then ND? How many Mormons are there? 12 million total? What are BYU's ratings on tv? This is a bad argument just tap out.

FYI- there is at minimum 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide. This is DavidSt type argument.

ND can create a station, but it won't be a network like BYUTV. Check, there are thousands of religious channels, but very, very few are catholic. Because, guaging the market, few of these Catholics want to watch Catholic broadcasting. I can't even name one nationwide Catholic network. A ND tv network could not get viewers. Without viewers, you have a pile of broadcasting equipment, not a network. No one wants to a watch a 24 hour mixed programming Catholic TV channel, especially one focused only on one university. If you think otherwise, you are not very savvy.

Not saying BYU is a bigger brand than ND. But its a brand their viewers want. And if ND had a tv brand viewers wanted, it would already exist. Stick to some sports on an app man. No university has a a real commercial tv network like BYUTV. Not even close. And if no others are doing it, I doubt ND is willing to put enough money into one to make work.

How many of the 1.2 billion have cable
How many towers in how many countries would it take to reach 1.2 billion people?
How many of the 1.2 billion are in the 3rd world and don't even know what streaming is, let alone be able to it?
A huge number means nothing if they dont /can't watch your channel man.
And most BYUTV viewers are not even LDS btw.

I truly hate to be the one to inform you that money isn't the only resource in the world. ND has more than most. I get that. But that doesn't mean they can do TV. They can have a nice sports app that airs old games and a couple live games a season or something, and some of the women's sports, but currently, a full network like BYUTV is simply beyond their scope. Sorry.

As a ND h8ter it pains me to say, but there are more than enough Subway alumni in the NY/NJ area who would be happy to pay $5 a month to watch the 1993 FSU game on a continuous loop to make this FITV a rousing success.
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(03-23-2021 06:37 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I find it curious that they aren’t partnering with NBC on this and that this isn’t part of Peacock.

It makes me wonder where the ND-NBC relationship is going

Why would ND need NBC for this, anyway?


To your point, ND's contract with NBC is up in four years. ND usually just renews a couple of years before the contract expires.

Is this a shot across the bow to NBC to pay more next time?

Will ND take its contract on the open market?

Or, is this just forward thinking and planning for the coming world of all streaming and on demand access, but on televisions, not phones/laptops/pads?

Is this simply just a way for ND to present "Tier 3" type content to its fans directly on their televisions without a partner?

Finally, would a school who was interested in joining the ACC in football any time in the future do this? Does this signal a firm intent to remain independent indefinitely?

Time will tell.
I hope we take to the open market and move away from NBC. And yes this is a statement of purpose I believe for our future intentions.
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(03-23-2021 07:20 AM)Todor Wrote:  Its a shame they give their fans a third rate experience with an app that isn't even working for everyone.

This is a serious, real-world criticism. Fighting Irish TV not being available for Playstation or whatever smart-TV platform you use to watch smart TV is a baseline expectation.

Quote:I like the message that says "Come Back in 2036 for even more content". Lol.

If that's a real thing, that's a bad sign. 15 years from now is an eternity in internet-media time, and it's foolish to waste bandwith (metaphorical, I'm sure there's plenty of literal bandwith) on it.

(03-23-2021 10:56 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Google says this app is "Not available for any of my devices".

[Image: attachment.php?aid=10557]

You haven't really made it until you're on Roku, anyway.

This is a real concern. "LOL this isn't BYUtv for Subway Alumni" is not. FITV is supposed to let you watch Notre Dame supplemental content and archive footage. IF it doesn't work on certain platforms, that's bad bad bad and they need to fix that.
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(03-23-2021 08:35 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 07:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 01:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  ND can create a station, but it won't be a network like BYUTV. Check, there are thousands of religious channels, but very, very few are catholic. Because, guaging the market, few of these Catholics want to watch Catholic broadcasting. I can't even name one nationwide Catholic network. A ND tv network could not get viewers. Without viewers, you have a pile of broadcasting equipment, not a network. No one wants to a watch a 24 hour mixed programming Catholic TV channel, especially one focused only on one university. If you think otherwise, you are not very savvy.

Not saying BYU is a bigger brand than ND. But its a brand their viewers want. And if ND had a tv brand viewers wanted, it would already exist. Stick to some sports on an app man. No university has a a real commercial tv network like BYUTV. Not even close. And if no others are doing it, I doubt ND is willing to put enough money into one to make work.

How many of the 1.2 billion have cable
How many towers in how many countries would it take to reach 1.2 billion people?
How many of the 1.2 billion are in the 3rd world and don't even know what streaming is, let alone be able to it?
A huge number means nothing if they dont /can't watch your channel man.
And most BYUTV viewers are not even LDS btw.

I truly hate to be the one to inform you that money isn't the only resource in the world. ND has more than most. I get that. But that doesn't mean they can do TV. They can have a nice sports app that airs old games and a couple live games a season or something, and some of the women's sports, but currently, a full network like BYUTV is simply beyond their scope. Sorry.
FYI a ton of ND viewers are atheist or protestant. Still dwarfs anything BYU can produce.

You mean ND sports fans. Well, duh....

ND has no interest in a BYUTV channel.

This is not what this is. This is a sports app on a television. Period.

So, you derail this thread with a stance that nobody at ND even considered, wants or desires.

ND is a school, separate from the Catholic Church and run by the Holy Cross Fathers, a separate Order of priests, not the Vatican.

The Vatican has no say at all regarding what happens at Notre Dame.

You conflate ND with BYU. Two different things, altogether.

BYU is run directly by the Mormon Church hierarchy and is directly part of that religion's mission.

Hence, the entire Mormon Church is invested in BYUTV.

ND is not that, at all. It is a private university, interested in promoting its football team, not on a worldwide "mission" to convert people to Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church itself has no interest in this, none.

So, your thoughts on BYUTV versus this app are pretty much irrelevant.

Right - I don't understand this comparison at all. BYUtv is a church-led TV channel to spread its broader religious mission that also happens to carry some BYU sports.

This new ND platform is a pure sports app - pure and simple. Its sole purpose to provide some more access to ND athletic content. So, its comparisons are ESPN+, Stadium, etc.


I agree that ND isn't trying to do what BYUtv is.

But why don't they? BYUTV seems remarkably successful on all levels.

Notre Dame has three built-in advantages over BYU: sports programming that the general public cares about, a reputation as an elite educational institution, and a much larger potential market.

ND has a different mission than BYU, but it's just as bold and visionary. They could highlight some of their professors or their priests live on TV.

I just think a sports app is small-time thinking. Barely even worth mentioning on this forum. The AAC has a similar sports app and it's largely garbage.
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(03-23-2021 02:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 08:35 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 07:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 01:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  FYI a ton of ND viewers are atheist or protestant. Still dwarfs anything BYU can produce.

You mean ND sports fans. Well, duh....

ND has no interest in a BYUTV channel.

This is not what this is. This is a sports app on a television. Period.

So, you derail this thread with a stance that nobody at ND even considered, wants or desires.

ND is a school, separate from the Catholic Church and run by the Holy Cross Fathers, a separate Order of priests, not the Vatican.

The Vatican has no say at all regarding what happens at Notre Dame.

You conflate ND with BYU. Two different things, altogether.

BYU is run directly by the Mormon Church hierarchy and is directly part of that religion's mission.

Hence, the entire Mormon Church is invested in BYUTV.

ND is not that, at all. It is a private university, interested in promoting its football team, not on a worldwide "mission" to convert people to Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church itself has no interest in this, none.

So, your thoughts on BYUTV versus this app are pretty much irrelevant.

Right - I don't understand this comparison at all. BYUtv is a church-led TV channel to spread its broader religious mission that also happens to carry some BYU sports.

This new ND platform is a pure sports app - pure and simple. Its sole purpose to provide some more access to ND athletic content. So, its comparisons are ESPN+, Stadium, etc.


I agree that ND isn't trying to do what BYUtv is.

But why don't they? BYUTV seems remarkably successful on all levels.

BYUtv is a niche cable channel. I don't know if it's "remarkably successful." I don't know if it makes money, I don't know how big an audience it brings in.

Obviously enough for the heirarchy of the Church of Latter Day Saints to keep it going. But that's all I really have.

Quote:Notre Dame has three built-in advantages over BYU: sports programming that the general public cares about,

No. Any programming that the general public cares about is going to be on a sports network, or an OTA general interest network. They're not going to hide it behind a paywall of some kind.

The only sports programming available would be Longhorn Network caliber non-revenue sports.

Quote:a reputation as an elite educational institution,

Why should anyone care about that? We're talking about a TV network. Nobody's watching the Harvard Channel or the Princeton Network.

Quote:and a much larger potential market.

If you define the market as "American Catholics", sure there are a lot of them. But they're also not an underserved market.

Quote:ND has a different mission than BYU, but it's just as bold and visionary. They could highlight some of their professors or their priests live on TV.

How much time do you spend watching Catholic masses on EWTN and/or Harvard professors' courses on EdX? None? Yeah, that's about average.

Don't think of BYUtv as a BYU product, think of it as an LDS church product.

And LDS are probably more separate or distinct from the American mainstream than Catholics. BYUtv's calling card is that it's clean-cut, family-safe, traditional-family-value-friendly. Which has some crossover appeal outside the Mormon community to other "traditional religious" communities--hardcore Baptists don't agree at all with the theology, but they can let their kids watch BYUtv Happy Family Sitcom and know there's going to be no drinking or swearing or teenagers having sex.

Quote:I just think a sports app is small-time thinking. Barely even worth mentioning on this forum. The AAC has a similar sports app and it's largely garbage.

The app is not a big deal at all, except to absolute diehard Notre Dame fans. To make it a big deal, Notre Dame would have to make a bunch of stupid, expensive decisions to try to make it more than it is. And it would almost certainly fail badly.

Heck, they apparently can't get the app on a bunch of existing platforms. Let them work that out instead of trying to duplicate BYUtv for an audience that isn't crying out for a Catholics-focused TV network.
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I'm writing about this a bit today, but a few notes:

1) This doesn't have anything really to do with NBC and honestly, I doubt it shows any live sports in the next 4 years. It's a creative marketing decision but it's hardly earth-shattering.

2) Notre Dame isn't the first school to do this. Setting aside the incomplete byuTV comparisons, Maryland has something like this too. I suspect other schools will do the same in the next two years. It isn't a huge technological lift and big brands have lots of archival footage that diehards will want.

3) byuTV really isn't a sports network, and honestly, probably couldn't be emulated by most schools...and MAYBE not even Notre Dame. In 1955? Sure. But MAYBE not in 2021.
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(03-23-2021 07:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 01:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:33 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Are you saying BYU is a bigger brand name then ND? How many Mormons are there? 12 million total? What are BYU's ratings on tv? This is a bad argument just tap out.

FYI- there is at minimum 1.2 billion Catholics worldwide. This is DavidSt type argument.

ND can create a station, but it won't be a network like BYUTV. Check, there are thousands of religious channels, but very, very few are catholic. Because, guaging the market, few of these Catholics want to watch Catholic broadcasting. I can't even name one nationwide Catholic network. A ND tv network could not get viewers. Without viewers, you have a pile of broadcasting equipment, not a network. No one wants to a watch a 24 hour mixed programming Catholic TV channel, especially one focused only on one university. If you think otherwise, you are not very savvy.

Not saying BYU is a bigger brand than ND. But its a brand their viewers want. And if ND had a tv brand viewers wanted, it would already exist. Stick to some sports on an app man. No university has a a real commercial tv network like BYUTV. Not even close. And if no others are doing it, I doubt ND is willing to put enough money into one to make work.

How many of the 1.2 billion have cable
How many towers in how many countries would it take to reach 1.2 billion people?
How many of the 1.2 billion are in the 3rd world and don't even know what streaming is, let alone be able to it?
A huge number means nothing if they dont /can't watch your channel man.
And most BYUTV viewers are not even LDS btw.

I truly hate to be the one to inform you that money isn't the only resource in the world. ND has more than most. I get that. But that doesn't mean they can do TV. They can have a nice sports app that airs old games and a couple live games a season or something, and some of the women's sports, but currently, a full network like BYUTV is simply beyond their scope. Sorry.
FYI a ton of ND viewers are atheist or protestant. Still dwarfs anything BYU can produce.

You mean ND sports fans. Well, duh....

ND has no interest in a BYUTV channel.

This is not what this is. This is a sports app on a television. Period.

So, you derail this thread with a stance that nobody at ND even considered, wants or desires.

ND is a school, separate from the Catholic Church and run by the Holy Cross Fathers, a separate Order of priests, not the Vatican.

The Vatican has no say at all regarding what happens at Notre Dame.

You conflate ND with BYU. Two different things, altogether.

BYU is run directly by the Mormon Church hierarchy and is directly part of that religion's mission.

Hence, the entire Mormon Church is invested in BYUTV.

ND is not that, at all. It is a private university, interested in promoting its football team, not on a worldwide "mission" to convert people to Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church itself has no interest in this, none.

So, your thoughts on BYUTV versus this app are pretty much irrelevant.

I suppose we should be grateful for that. Having uninvited LDS missionaries knock on your door at inconvenient times is one thing. Having conquistadors and those soul-saving fathers enslave or kill you because you refuse to convert is another.
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(03-23-2021 07:50 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 07:45 AM)esayem Wrote:  Todor doesn’t have an argument to tap out of.

Fighting Irish Tv, the new app. It sucks. Others do better. There's no debate. You're right.

(03-23-2021 02:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 08:35 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 07:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 01:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  FYI a ton of ND viewers are atheist or protestant. Still dwarfs anything BYU can produce.

You mean ND sports fans. Well, duh....

ND has no interest in a BYUTV channel.

This is not what this is. This is a sports app on a television. Period.

So, you derail this thread with a stance that nobody at ND even considered, wants or desires.

ND is a school, separate from the Catholic Church and run by the Holy Cross Fathers, a separate Order of priests, not the Vatican.

The Vatican has no say at all regarding what happens at Notre Dame.

You conflate ND with BYU. Two different things, altogether.

BYU is run directly by the Mormon Church hierarchy and is directly part of that religion's mission.

Hence, the entire Mormon Church is invested in BYUTV.

ND is not that, at all. It is a private university, interested in promoting its football team, not on a worldwide "mission" to convert people to Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church itself has no interest in this, none.

So, your thoughts on BYUTV versus this app are pretty much irrelevant.

Right - I don't understand this comparison at all. BYUtv is a church-led TV channel to spread its broader religious mission that also happens to carry some BYU sports.

This new ND platform is a pure sports app - pure and simple. Its sole purpose to provide some more access to ND athletic content. So, its comparisons are ESPN+, Stadium, etc.


I agree that ND isn't trying to do what BYUtv is.

But why don't they? BYUTV seems remarkably successful on all levels.

Notre Dame has three built-in advantages over BYU: sports programming that the general public cares about, a reputation as an elite educational institution, and a much larger potential market.

ND has a different mission than BYU, but it's just as bold and visionary. They could highlight some of their professors or their priests live on TV.

I just think a sports app is small-time thinking. Barely even worth mentioning on this forum. The AAC has a similar sports app and it's largely garbage.

(03-23-2021 04:24 PM)colohank Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 07:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 01:03 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:58 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:47 AM)Todor Wrote:  ND can create a station, but it won't be a network like BYUTV. Check, there are thousands of religious channels, but very, very few are catholic. Because, guaging the market, few of these Catholics want to watch Catholic broadcasting. I can't even name one nationwide Catholic network. A ND tv network could not get viewers. Without viewers, you have a pile of broadcasting equipment, not a network. No one wants to a watch a 24 hour mixed programming Catholic TV channel, especially one focused only on one university. If you think otherwise, you are not very savvy.

Not saying BYU is a bigger brand than ND. But its a brand their viewers want. And if ND had a tv brand viewers wanted, it would already exist. Stick to some sports on an app man. No university has a a real commercial tv network like BYUTV. Not even close. And if no others are doing it, I doubt ND is willing to put enough money into one to make work.

How many of the 1.2 billion have cable
How many towers in how many countries would it take to reach 1.2 billion people?
How many of the 1.2 billion are in the 3rd world and don't even know what streaming is, let alone be able to it?
A huge number means nothing if they dont /can't watch your channel man.
And most BYUTV viewers are not even LDS btw.

I truly hate to be the one to inform you that money isn't the only resource in the world. ND has more than most. I get that. But that doesn't mean they can do TV. They can have a nice sports app that airs old games and a couple live games a season or something, and some of the women's sports, but currently, a full network like BYUTV is simply beyond their scope. Sorry.
FYI a ton of ND viewers are atheist or protestant. Still dwarfs anything BYU can produce.

You mean ND sports fans. Well, duh....

ND has no interest in a BYUTV channel.

This is not what this is. This is a sports app on a television. Period.

So, you derail this thread with a stance that nobody at ND even considered, wants or desires.

ND is a school, separate from the Catholic Church and run by the Holy Cross Fathers, a separate Order of priests, not the Vatican.

The Vatican has no say at all regarding what happens at Notre Dame.

You conflate ND with BYU. Two different things, altogether.

BYU is run directly by the Mormon Church hierarchy and is directly part of that religion's mission.

Hence, the entire Mormon Church is invested in BYUTV.

ND is not that, at all. It is a private university, interested in promoting its football team, not on a worldwide "mission" to convert people to Catholicism.

The Roman Catholic Church itself has no interest in this, none.

So, your thoughts on BYUTV versus this app are pretty much irrelevant.

I suppose we should be grateful for that. Having uninvited LDS missionaries knock on your door at inconvenient times is one thing. Having conquistadors and those soul-saving fathers enslave or kill you because you refuse to convert is another.


Heck, you may have just changed my mind on the subject....

(Seen any Conquistadors lately, have you?)
03-23-2021 04:32 PM
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RE: ND unveils "Fighting Irish TV"
(03-23-2021 06:48 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(03-23-2021 12:52 AM)46566 Wrote:  Would this effect their games on the ACC network?

No, not at all. It is limited to (for now) home football game replays, last year's game highlights, coaches' press conferences and some other original programming.

Oh okay. I thought it might be for streaming the Olympic sports. Basically countering the ACC network.
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