(04-29-2021 05:13 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 10:53 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 06:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Why would a League that sponsors football allow a school to play football in a different confernce?

Unless you're Notre Dame, you can't get away with that stuff

Or Navy

Or Army.

The precise question is why would a league that sponsors FCS football allow a school to play FCS football in a different conference?

Navy and Army can't play their football in the Patriot league, since the Patriot league sponsors FCS Football and they play FBS Football. The notable exception to a conference sponsoring the football played by a member while the member does not play football in the conference is Notre Dame ...

... and even for Notre Dame, the agreement is that if they do join a conference for football, they will join the ACC. So not even Notre Dame is allowed to join a different conference when their conference sponsors the football that they play.

In FCS, the best example is Fordham, LaSalle, Duquesne, and Dayton when the A10 sponsored football. This was the case of those programs not offering scholarships. If the A10 still sponsored football, then I believe Fordham would have to be a member since they now offer them.

I believe the MVFC is a different entity from the rest of the league, but similar regarding Drake.

(04-28-2021 06:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 06:47 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 05:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 12:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  In that case you are mixing FBS status with FCS status. I can see why that would not be allowed. That is not what I proposed.

Same principle applies.

You cannot play a SLC sponsored sport in another league. I am curious if an exception would be made for a non scholarship FB squad in the Pioneer but the SLC is truly an all sports league. You must compete in the SLC if those sports exist in the league. This was approved during the ULM situation and is in the league bylaws for full members

Is it OK for the SLC to invite a football only member from another league?

Why would a League that sponsors football allow a school to play football in a different confernce?

Unless you're Notre Dame, you can't get away with that stuff

That's not what he's asking in that post.
Let's say the Southland invited Oral Roberts as an FCS startup. The Summit can't say anything, they don't have a football league.
Would the Southland bylaws allow that?

(We've been informed that the Southland bylaws prevent an SLC school playing in another football league. The question is does that run both ways

(04-28-2021 08:50 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  What if the Southland let Incarnate Word go for football only to the WAC. And they picked up either Grambling or Southern for football only from the SWAC?

People have brought up numerous schools in conferences with football having their football teams not play in conferences, and whether those are in fact relevant comparisons.

The general principle is, an exception works if it's acceptable-to-attractive to everybody involved (home conference, school, football-affiliate-conference, etc).

The question is, why would "UIW to the WAC, football only" be acceptable/ attractive to the Southland, or to UIW? (The WAC gets their 8th football member that they want).

Why would the Southland, which is scrambling for football schools to keep operating in the event of a defection, basically authorize a defection?

And why on earth would Grambling or the SWAC want Grambling to play football in the Southland?

(04-29-2021 06:34 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 06:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 06:47 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 05:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 12:57 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  In that case you are mixing FBS status with FCS status. I can see why that would not be allowed. That is not what I proposed.

Same principle applies.

You cannot play a SLC sponsored sport in another league. I am curious if an exception would be made for a non scholarship FB squad in the Pioneer but the SLC is truly an all sports league. You must compete in the SLC if those sports exist in the league. This was approved during the ULM situation and is in the league bylaws for full members

Is it OK for the SLC to invite a football only member from another league?

Why would a League that sponsors football allow a school to play football in a different confernce?

Unless you're Notre Dame, you can't get away with that stuff

That's not what he's asking in that post.
Let's say the Southland invited Oral Roberts as an FCS startup. The Summit can't say anything, they don't have a football league.
Would the Southland bylaws allow that?

(We've been informed that the Southland bylaws prevent an SLC school playing in another football league. The question is does that run both ways

Is the question is "Does the Southland allow football only members?"

I would think yes

Men's volleyball have no championships in D2.

There are already Lone Star schools playing a sport in D1.

No real update but these are the most recent comments that we have seen on the Southland. What’s interesting is that they think they can be an even tighter geographic conference

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“We’re not unlike some other conferences that have had to realign themselves,” Burnett said. “When we’ve done it before, we’ve been able to readjust and put ourselves in a good position competitively and geographically. Our group now that is continuing on is very optimistic we can do that again.”

Burnett said long-term planning that began in January will have more clarity this summer, perhaps in June. That includes possible expansion, although there appear to be no imminent candidates. The Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) is the closest FCS league geographically.

“This is a league that whatever changes we’ve gone through, we’ve come out of it in a good spot,” Burnett said. “There’s a lot of confidence we can do it again. Since January, I don’t know if I can recall such a good spirit of cooperation among our ongoing members. That’s been refreshing. What we’re focused on is institutions in our geography. There’s an opportunity to tighten our geography more so than previously. We can find some new members to come in and help lift this conference.”

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone...-Southland

(05-01-2021 11:52 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  No real update but these are the most recent comments that we have seen on the Southland. What’s interesting is that they think they can be an even tighter geographic conference

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“We’re not unlike some other conferences that have had to realign themselves,” Burnett said. “When we’ve done it before, we’ve been able to readjust and put ourselves in a good position competitively and geographically. Our group now that is continuing on is very optimistic we can do that again.”

Burnett said long-term planning that began in January will have more clarity this summer, perhaps in June. That includes possible expansion, although there appear to be no imminent candidates. The Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) is the closest FCS league geographically.

“This is a league that whatever changes we’ve gone through, we’ve come out of it in a good spot,” Burnett said. “There’s a lot of confidence we can do it again. Since January, I don’t know if I can recall such a good spirit of cooperation among our ongoing members. That’s been refreshing. What we’re focused on is institutions in our geography. There’s an opportunity to tighten our geography more so than previously. We can find some new members to come in and help lift this conference.”

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone...-Southland

I know the SWAC is tight, but man if I'm the Southland I'm pitching the Louisiana angle to Grambling and Southern.

(05-01-2021 11:52 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  No real update but these are the most recent comments that we have seen on the Southland. What’s interesting is that they think they can be an even tighter geographic conference

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“We’re not unlike some other conferences that have had to realign themselves,” Burnett said. “When we’ve done it before, we’ve been able to readjust and put ourselves in a good position competitively and geographically. Our group now that is continuing on is very optimistic we can do that again.”

Burnett said long-term planning that began in January will have more clarity this summer, perhaps in June. That includes possible expansion, although there appear to be no imminent candidates. The Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) is the closest FCS league geographically.

“This is a league that whatever changes we’ve gone through, we’ve come out of it in a good spot,” Burnett said. “There’s a lot of confidence we can do it again. Since January, I don’t know if I can recall such a good spirit of cooperation among our ongoing members. That’s been refreshing. What we’re focused on is institutions in our geography. There’s an opportunity to tighten our geography more so than previously. We can find some new members to come in and help lift this conference.”

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone...-Southland

Sounds to me like they think they can get the foursome of Grambling, Southern, Texas Southern, and Prairie View. With both conferences being bus leagues, that would help the two Texas schools (no trips to Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi), and probably Grambling. Travel would probably be a slight improvement for Southern, as there are 4 Southland schools in south Louisiana. Their longest trip would be to Corpus Christi, rather than to Daytona in the SWAC.

HBCU culture is strong. I have a hard time seeing the two Texas schools leaving the SWAC without Grambling and Southern. The four HBCUs together in the Southland would allow them to retain more of that culture together while reducing travel costs. I think it's still a stretch to see any of those four leaving what is now the leading HBCU conference.

But, the Southland believes there is a chance. Or they are at least acting like it.

Just adding status of SLC come July 1st:

Team Sports
Football, Women's Soccer: 6 schools
Softball: 7 Schools
Men's and Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball, Baseball: 8 schools
Individual Sports
Men's Tennis, Women's Golf: 4 schools
Men's Golf : 5 schools
Women's Tennis, Men's and Women's Track & Field (indoor and outdoor): 7 schools
Men's and Women's Cross Country: 8 schools

The SLC loses coverage of three individual sports.

The Big Sky also looks to be down to four Golf schools. I think a partnership with them makes the most sense.

Big Sky Men's Golf would have five plus Binghamton next year, four plus Binghamton in 2022-23

(05-21-2021 03:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Big Sky Men's Golf would have five plus Binghamton next year, four plus Binghamton in 2022-23

We don't know what Binghamton is doing. They may be the targeted 6th school (after Chicago State) for the MEAC. That would greatly reduce travel for that team's conference meet.

(05-21-2021 04:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 03:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Big Sky Men's Golf would have five plus Binghamton next year, four plus Binghamton in 2022-23

We don't know what Binghamton is doing. They may be the targeted 6th school (after Chicago State) for their 6th. That would greatly reduce travel for that team's conference meet.

Once you are on a plane, does an hour matter?

(05-21-2021 05:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 04:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 03:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Big Sky Men's Golf would have five plus Binghamton next year, four plus Binghamton in 2022-23

We don't know what Binghamton is doing. They may be the targeted 6th school (after Chicago State) for their 6th. That would greatly reduce travel for that team's conference meet.

Once you are on a plane, does an hour matter?

Time zones matter.

(05-21-2021 05:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 05:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 04:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 03:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Big Sky Men's Golf would have five plus Binghamton next year, four plus Binghamton in 2022-23

We don't know what Binghamton is doing. They may be the targeted 6th school (after Chicago State) for their 6th. That would greatly reduce travel for that team's conference meet.

Once you are on a plane, does an hour matter?

Time zones matter.

For a once a year trip? Not at all. Binghamton could leave the Men's Golf association they have had for many years, for an unstable conference, sure. But why?

Or they could drop the sport. Or, as suggested, Big Sky could add the Southland as affiliates (or vice versa)

The MEAC is losing 3 of its 7 men's golf schools. I know Chicago State has been mentioned as a possible affiliate. Binghamton may want to consider that too. Francis Marion is another possibility.

(05-21-2021 06:51 PM)Inkblot Wrote:  The MEAC is losing 3 of its 7 men's golf schools. I know Chicago State has been mentioned as a possible affiliate. Binghamton may want to consider that too. Francis Marion is another possibility.

That would be enough of a travel savings to make sense - if they thought the MEAC would be stable enough.

(04-29-2021 06:38 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-29-2021 06:34 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 06:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 06:47 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-28-2021 05:38 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Same principle applies.

You cannot play a SLC sponsored sport in another league. I am curious if an exception would be made for a non scholarship FB squad in the Pioneer but the SLC is truly an all sports league. You must compete in the SLC if those sports exist in the league. This was approved during the ULM situation and is in the league bylaws for full members

Is it OK for the SLC to invite a football only member from another league?

Why would a League that sponsors football allow a school to play football in a different confernce?

Unless you're Notre Dame, you can't get away with that stuff

That's not what he's asking in that post.
Let's say the Southland invited Oral Roberts as an FCS startup. The Summit can't say anything, they don't have a football league.
Would the Southland bylaws allow that?

(We've been informed that the Southland bylaws prevent an SLC school playing in another football league. The question is does that run both ways

Is the question is "Does the Southland allow football only members?"

I would think yes

Agree. They are kinda in 2012 "WAC survivial mode".

(05-01-2021 12:53 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(05-01-2021 11:52 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  No real update but these are the most recent comments that we have seen on the Southland. What’s interesting is that they think they can be an even tighter geographic conference

——

“We’re not unlike some other conferences that have had to realign themselves,” Burnett said. “When we’ve done it before, we’ve been able to readjust and put ourselves in a good position competitively and geographically. Our group now that is continuing on is very optimistic we can do that again.”

Burnett said long-term planning that began in January will have more clarity this summer, perhaps in June. That includes possible expansion, although there appear to be no imminent candidates. The Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) is the closest FCS league geographically.

“This is a league that whatever changes we’ve gone through, we’ve come out of it in a good spot,” Burnett said. “There’s a lot of confidence we can do it again. Since January, I don’t know if I can recall such a good spirit of cooperation among our ongoing members. That’s been refreshing. What we’re focused on is institutions in our geography. There’s an opportunity to tighten our geography more so than previously. We can find some new members to come in and help lift this conference.”

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone...-Southland

Sounds to me like they think they can get the foursome of Grambling, Southern, Texas Southern, and Prairie View. With both conferences being bus leagues, that would help the two Texas schools (no trips to Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi), and probably Grambling. Travel would probably be a slight improvement for Southern, as there are 4 Southland schools in south Louisiana. Their longest trip would be to Corpus Christi, rather than to Daytona in the SWAC.

HBCU culture is strong. I have a hard time seeing the two Texas schools leaving the SWAC without Grambling and Southern. The four HBCUs together in the Southland would allow them to retain more of that culture together while reducing travel costs. I think it's still a stretch to see any of those four leaving what is now the leading HBCU conference.

But, the Southland believes there is a chance. Or they are at least acting like it.

That could actually be a pretty fun league.

(05-01-2021 12:53 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(05-01-2021 11:52 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  No real update but these are the most recent comments that we have seen on the Southland. What’s interesting is that they think they can be an even tighter geographic conference

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“We’re not unlike some other conferences that have had to realign themselves,” Burnett said. “When we’ve done it before, we’ve been able to readjust and put ourselves in a good position competitively and geographically. Our group now that is continuing on is very optimistic we can do that again.”

Burnett said long-term planning that began in January will have more clarity this summer, perhaps in June. That includes possible expansion, although there appear to be no imminent candidates. The Southwestern Athletic Conference (SWAC) is the closest FCS league geographically.

“This is a league that whatever changes we’ve gone through, we’ve come out of it in a good spot,” Burnett said. “There’s a lot of confidence we can do it again. Since January, I don’t know if I can recall such a good spirit of cooperation among our ongoing members. That’s been refreshing. What we’re focused on is institutions in our geography. There’s an opportunity to tighten our geography more so than previously. We can find some new members to come in and help lift this conference.”

https://www.inforum.com/bison-media-zone...-Southland

Sounds to me like they think they can get the foursome of Grambling, Southern, Texas Southern, and Prairie View. With both conferences being bus leagues, that would help the two Texas schools (no trips to Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi), and probably Grambling. Travel would probably be a slight improvement for Southern, as there are 4 Southland schools in south Louisiana. Their longest trip would be to Corpus Christi, rather than to Daytona in the SWAC.

HBCU culture is strong. I have a hard time seeing the two Texas schools leaving the SWAC without Grambling and Southern. The four HBCUs together in the Southland would allow them to retain more of that culture together while reducing travel costs. I think it's still a stretch to see any of those four leaving what is now the leading HBCU conference.

But, the Southland believes there is a chance. Or they are at least acting like it.

This lines up with my previous reporting...the Southland hasn't attempted to really start serious conversations with any D-II teams until they felt like they had completely exhausted D-I options, and they were going to swing at PVAM, Grambling and Texas Southern (they also swung for Louisiana-Monroe, but that went about as you'd expect).

They can try all they want, but I haven't talked to a single industry source that expects them to be successful. The SWAC schools will straight up make more money in the SWAC than the Southland.

(05-21-2021 06:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 05:43 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 05:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 04:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-21-2021 03:16 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Big Sky Men's Golf would have five plus Binghamton next year, four plus Binghamton in 2022-23

We don't know what Binghamton is doing. They may be the targeted 6th school (after Chicago State) for their 6th. That would greatly reduce travel for that team's conference meet.

Once you are on a plane, does an hour matter?

Time zones matter.

For a once a year trip? Not at all. Binghamton could leave the Men's Golf association they have had for many years, for an unstable conference, sure. But why?

Or they could drop the sport. Or, as suggested, Big Sky could add the Southland as affiliates (or vice versa)

I'm just responding in general to your comment "Once you are on a plane, does an hour matter?"