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RE: NCAA Sun Thoughts
(03-22-2021 07:23 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 12:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 12:43 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 11:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The committee did fine. Who are you going to replace anyone with? St. John's, Louisville, Duke, Stanford, Georgia, Seton Hall, Colorado State, Boise State, Memphis, Saint Louis? None of them are any better.

Keep in mind all 5 of the mid-major at-large got bounced. We had the normal 80% of the top 25 get through the first round and 80% of the bottom 20 single bid were knocked out. We got a true Cinderella in Oral Roberts, we have three strong mid-Majors in Gonzaga, Houston and Loyola Chicago. All this is roughly typical for an NCAA tournament.

Quit gripping and enjoy. These 2nd round games have been terrific.

I'd favor 72 to give another 4 schools a shot from the list you named. You have potentially a sweet 16 team in that group but you just don't know who it will be.

Its not uncommon for a team that didn't win its conference tournament to take it another step further an lay an egg in the first game of a tourney. What do we have at this point, 34 at-larges of which the bottom 4 play in? Move to 38 at large schools and play-in the bottom 12. That will weed out some of the duds.

It's normally 31 auto bids and 37 at larges. This year it's 30/38 due to no Ivy league auto bid.

It's normally 32 auto bids and 36 at large.

In another thread, I proposed placing a limit on the number of teams any conference can place in the NCAAT (5), while awarding an NCAAT unit to each team that reaches the quarterfinals of the NIT to offset the loss of participation units by P6 conferences. This could ensure that mid-major conferences have 12 at-large bids in addition to their champions. That should broaden the appeal of both the NCAAT and the NIT.

Sorry it's 31/37.

They are never limiting the # of teams to the NCAA. The Networks would NEVER agree to that. The NCAA is already with broad appeal.
03-22-2021 07:37 AM
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RE: NCAA Sun Thoughts
(03-21-2021 08:22 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:45 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It’s easy to see who on this site knows basketball and watches the games, and who clogs this site with nonsense and has no knowledge of the sport.

Case in point, this was an actual post earlier this week:

(03-15-2021 12:36 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  So let's give Loyola Chicago 3 seeds and watch them lose by 40?

And I said it earlier that I hated that this game could and now did happen. It wasn’t fair for either team. Illinois deserved its seed, but Loyola was betrayed by the committee interpretting Loyola’s high NET as an anomoly of sorts (nevermind that KenPom liked them very well and RPI practically mirrored their NET rating), and let network partners make a quirky regional matchup.

In some ways, maybe Loyola has cleared its biggest hurdle for a return to the Final Four and to take the region. Darn shame it had to go like this for Illinois, though.

So, yeah...Loyola. They are for real. Stupid committee.

As an Illini guy, I agree. First thing that I texted my best friend college roommate when the brackets came out: I *HATE* that Loyola is sitting there in the 2nd round. My fears were clearly validated. Analytics-wise, they’re at least a 3-seed and we played them at least one round (maybe two rounds) too early.

Give credit where credit is due - Loyola thoroughly thumped us yesterday. That team can make the Final Four again. Nothing flukey - just a straight up end-to-end win for the Ramblers in every facet of the game.
03-22-2021 07:50 AM
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RE: NCAA Sun Thoughts
(03-22-2021 07:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 07:23 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 12:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 12:43 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 11:04 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The committee did fine. Who are you going to replace anyone with? St. John's, Louisville, Duke, Stanford, Georgia, Seton Hall, Colorado State, Boise State, Memphis, Saint Louis? None of them are any better.

Keep in mind all 5 of the mid-major at-large got bounced. We had the normal 80% of the top 25 get through the first round and 80% of the bottom 20 single bid were knocked out. We got a true Cinderella in Oral Roberts, we have three strong mid-Majors in Gonzaga, Houston and Loyola Chicago. All this is roughly typical for an NCAA tournament.

Quit gripping and enjoy. These 2nd round games have been terrific.

I'd favor 72 to give another 4 schools a shot from the list you named. You have potentially a sweet 16 team in that group but you just don't know who it will be.

Its not uncommon for a team that didn't win its conference tournament to take it another step further an lay an egg in the first game of a tourney. What do we have at this point, 34 at-larges of which the bottom 4 play in? Move to 38 at large schools and play-in the bottom 12. That will weed out some of the duds.

It's normally 31 auto bids and 37 at larges. This year it's 30/38 due to no Ivy league auto bid.

It's normally 32 auto bids and 36 at large.

In another thread, I proposed placing a limit on the number of teams any conference can place in the NCAAT (5), while awarding an NCAAT unit to each team that reaches the quarterfinals of the NIT to offset the loss of participation units by P6 conferences. This could ensure that mid-major conferences have 12 at-large bids in addition to their champions. That should broaden the appeal of both the NCAAT and the NIT.

Sorry it's 31/37.

They are never limiting the # of teams to the NCAA. The Networks would NEVER agree to that. The NCAA is already with broad appeal.

Yeah - as a lawyer negotiating a deal, the first that I determine is who has the leverage. A party that doesn’t have leverage but takes a hardline position is going to get destroyed and end up worse off. The Power 5 can just walk away from the NCAA Tournament and they’d be perfectly fine and likely even make more money than they do now. They have ALL of the leverage here. You know what’s worse for the midmajors than not getting enough at-large bids? It’s getting *all* of the at-large bids because the power conferences left the NCAA and took billions of dollars with them.

There won’t be any cap on at-large bids from a conference. I rarely say “never”, but in this case, this will NEVER happen because the only way it could happen is if the NCAA Tournament itself is destroyed.
03-22-2021 07:56 AM
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Post: #144
RE: NCAA Sun Thoughts
(03-22-2021 07:56 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 07:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 07:23 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 12:44 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 12:43 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I'd favor 72 to give another 4 schools a shot from the list you named. You have potentially a sweet 16 team in that group but you just don't know who it will be.

Its not uncommon for a team that didn't win its conference tournament to take it another step further an lay an egg in the first game of a tourney. What do we have at this point, 34 at-larges of which the bottom 4 play in? Move to 38 at large schools and play-in the bottom 12. That will weed out some of the duds.

It's normally 31 auto bids and 37 at larges. This year it's 30/38 due to no Ivy league auto bid.

It's normally 32 auto bids and 36 at large.

In another thread, I proposed placing a limit on the number of teams any conference can place in the NCAAT (5), while awarding an NCAAT unit to each team that reaches the quarterfinals of the NIT to offset the loss of participation units by P6 conferences. This could ensure that mid-major conferences have 12 at-large bids in addition to their champions. That should broaden the appeal of both the NCAAT and the NIT.

Sorry it's 31/37.

They are never limiting the # of teams to the NCAA. The Networks would NEVER agree to that. The NCAA is already with broad appeal.

Yeah - as a lawyer negotiating a deal, the first that I determine is who has the leverage. A party that doesn’t have leverage but takes a hardline position is going to get destroyed and end up worse off. The Power 5 can just walk away from the NCAA Tournament and they’d be perfectly fine and likely even make more money than they do now. They have ALL of the leverage here. You know what’s worse for the midmajors than not getting enough at-large bids? It’s getting *all* of the at-large bids because the power conferences left the NCAA and took billions of dollars with them.

There won’t be any cap on at-large bids from a conference. I rarely say “never”, but in this case, this will NEVER happen because the only way it could happen is if the NCAA Tournament itself is destroyed.

Syracuse was the 7th highest seeded ACC team this year.
03-22-2021 08:11 AM
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