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IKE's hasn't heard a thing on the street concerning a med school
However Ike thinks it would be great
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We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.
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(03-21-2021 01:47 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.

What reputation will the U build partnering with an awful med school in Nashville?

Sorry we dont all fall in lock step
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(03-21-2021 10:41 AM)memphisike Wrote:  IKE's hasn't heard a thing on the street concerning a med school
However Ike thinks it would be great

Ike - the collaboration with the other med school came up in the news articles about Dr. Rudd stepping down as president. It was thrown in a little and not given as much fanfare as something that significant could have been given.
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(03-20-2021 08:27 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 07:31 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 06:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-19-2021 04:00 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Not in a traditional sense but President Rudd has said he is moving forward with a partnership that includes Meharry, Methodist and Church Health that establish a branch campus where Medical Students will live, study and work throughout the entire program to graduation. In his words this will be the most impactful thing for the city of Memphis for many years. see 14:25

https://sports56whbq.com/shows/sports-56...-middays-4

I wasn't sure what the partnership would look like but it has the potential to be something special. It may also cause me to eat my words because I am on record saying we will never have a medical school. Do I get off on a technicality?

R1 and a Medical School in one year. That's a pretty good goodbye gift.

Sounds like total horseshite. Weve had an academic partnership with UT Memphis Medicsl for years. The skids were always greased for Memphis State pre med majors to go to UT Memphis for med school.

This is what you get when you listen to a sports show for acsdemics.

Long on promises, high on debt, low on return .

No. The Univ of Memphis will not have a med school

As a graduate of both the University of Memphis and UT Health Science Center College of Medicine I can tell you that I perceived no partnership between the two institutions. Additionally the skids were by no means greased for myself or the very few U of M graduates in my class. I'm not sure why you would think that would be the case.

I am not quite sure how the partnership between Meharry, Methodist, et. al. would be set up but I don't know if it would necessarily hurt the university.

I am told frequently, us a graduate from UT that I somehow owe them a debt of gratitude. I actually take great pleasure in telling their fundraising department "no" on an annual basis. Until I pass from this earth any and all contributions I make to a University will be to the University of Memphis.

Because I have know many doctors that graduated from Memphis State that were fast tracked into UT med.

Maybe its you. I can't explain why you feel the way you do. If you recieved a scholarship maybe you should be thankful. I really dont care. UM will not have a med school. ETSU does though. Compare Meharry's ranking to ETSU. I mean seriously, why bother when there is a Med School in Memphis. This isnt about rah rah shite

Seems stupid, but what's new. Whatever.

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Not a rah rah post just my personal perception. I earned the presidential scholarship from the U of M. I worked hard at the U of M, graduated with a 3.987 GPA, had an excellent MCAT. Borrowed money every year (student loans) of med school. Just paid it back. Agree with you that the reputation of Meharry is not on par with UT but I'm not sure if the affiliation would be harmful in any way, I guess it is better than nothing.

Slacker. 03-lol But seriously congrats.

To me it sounds like they are avoiding the need to build something up from scratch. What do you think about that?

(03-21-2021 01:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:47 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.

What reputation will the U build partnering with an awful med school in Nashville?

Sorry we dont all fall in lock step

Serious question to gain understanding. Why do you consider them awful?
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(03-21-2021 06:29 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:27 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 07:31 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 06:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Sounds like total horseshite. Weve had an academic partnership with UT Memphis Medicsl for years. The skids were always greased for Memphis State pre med majors to go to UT Memphis for med school.

This is what you get when you listen to a sports show for acsdemics.

Long on promises, high on debt, low on return .

No. The Univ of Memphis will not have a med school

As a graduate of both the University of Memphis and UT Health Science Center College of Medicine I can tell you that I perceived no partnership between the two institutions. Additionally the skids were by no means greased for myself or the very few U of M graduates in my class. I'm not sure why you would think that would be the case.

I am not quite sure how the partnership between Meharry, Methodist, et. al. would be set up but I don't know if it would necessarily hurt the university.

I am told frequently, us a graduate from UT that I somehow owe them a debt of gratitude. I actually take great pleasure in telling their fundraising department "no" on an annual basis. Until I pass from this earth any and all contributions I make to a University will be to the University of Memphis.

Because I have know many doctors that graduated from Memphis State that were fast tracked into UT med.

Maybe its you. I can't explain why you feel the way you do. If you recieved a scholarship maybe you should be thankful. I really dont care. UM will not have a med school. ETSU does though. Compare Meharry's ranking to ETSU. I mean seriously, why bother when there is a Med School in Memphis. This isnt about rah rah shite

Seems stupid, but what's new. Whatever.

07-coffee3

Not a rah rah post just my personal perception. I earned the presidential scholarship from the U of M. I worked hard at the U of M, graduated with a 3.987 GPA, had an excellent MCAT. Borrowed money every year (student loans) of med school. Just paid it back. Agree with you that the reputation of Meharry is not on par with UT but I'm not sure if the affiliation would be harmful in any way, I guess it is better than nothing.

Slacker. 03-lol But seriously congrats.

To me it sounds like they are avoiding the need to build something up from scratch. What do you think about that?

(03-21-2021 01:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:47 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.

What reputation will the U build partnering with an awful med school in Nashville?

Sorry we dont all fall in lock step

Serious question to gain understanding. Why do you consider them awful?

Based on its national ranking and general reputation. Feel free to enlighten me.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-...story.html

You can look up the reviews.

I just dont see the point when a state school is in the same city. But like I said, whatver.
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(03-21-2021 06:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 06:29 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:47 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.

What reputation will the U build partnering with an awful med school in Nashville?

Sorry we dont all fall in lock step

Serious question to gain understanding. Why do you consider them awful?

Based on its national ranking and general reputation. Feel free to enlighten me.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-...story.html

You can look up the reviews.

I just dont see the point when a state school is in the same city. But like I said, whatver.

Oh I don't the have the kind of info to enlighten anyone. So with you having a different view, adding your perspective helps to better my understanding.

Maybe the unstated goal is to produce medical students outside of the UT system while not having to build something from the ground up? Congrats to the others in this thread and on the board that I didn't say it to who got their doctorate Based on what they say I wonder if they had the option would they have preferred something tied with MSU/UM during their time in school instead of UT. And who knows maybe this will be more solid than what Meharry has been on its own or in apparent other partnerships with schools.

This partnership was announced in December according to the news release I linked before and then in July we got this announcement.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-903064-post-16...id16908795

I have no idea, but maybe that gets utilized to some extent with the partnership. And maybe it also shows that they will put a decent amount of effort into make the partnership work, be successful, and put out good performing medical workers.

I don't see an issue with being pessimistic about it since we don't know how it will turn out. I just know I'm optimistic about the effort.
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Osteopathic Medical School in Jackson, Tn., under the U of M banner is a very possible occurrence in the not distant future. That would be a med School, a very REAL med school.
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(03-21-2021 06:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 06:29 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:27 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 07:31 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  As a graduate of both the University of Memphis and UT Health Science Center College of Medicine I can tell you that I perceived no partnership between the two institutions. Additionally the skids were by no means greased for myself or the very few U of M graduates in my class. I'm not sure why you would think that would be the case.

I am not quite sure how the partnership between Meharry, Methodist, et. al. would be set up but I don't know if it would necessarily hurt the university.

I am told frequently, us a graduate from UT that I somehow owe them a debt of gratitude. I actually take great pleasure in telling their fundraising department "no" on an annual basis. Until I pass from this earth any and all contributions I make to a University will be to the University of Memphis.

Because I have know many doctors that graduated from Memphis State that were fast tracked into UT med.

Maybe its you. I can't explain why you feel the way you do. If you recieved a scholarship maybe you should be thankful. I really dont care. UM will not have a med school. ETSU does though. Compare Meharry's ranking to ETSU. I mean seriously, why bother when there is a Med School in Memphis. This isnt about rah rah shite

Seems stupid, but what's new. Whatever.

07-coffee3

Not a rah rah post just my personal perception. I earned the presidential scholarship from the U of M. I worked hard at the U of M, graduated with a 3.987 GPA, had an excellent MCAT. Borrowed money every year (student loans) of med school. Just paid it back. Agree with you that the reputation of Meharry is not on par with UT but I'm not sure if the affiliation would be harmful in any way, I guess it is better than nothing.

Slacker. 03-lol But seriously congrats.

To me it sounds like they are avoiding the need to build something up from scratch. What do you think about that?

(03-21-2021 01:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:47 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.

What reputation will the U build partnering with an awful med school in Nashville?

Sorry we dont all fall in lock step

Serious question to gain understanding. Why do you consider them awful?

Based on its national ranking and general reputation. Feel free to enlighten me.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-...story.html

You can look up the reviews.

I just dont see the point when a state school is in the same city. But like I said, whatver.

No $EC bootlicker would.
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(03-22-2021 11:03 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  Osteopathic Medical School in Jackson, Tn., under the U of M banner is a very possible occurrence in the not distant future. That would be a med School, a very REAL med school.

That is true and they feel very good about achieving it. That was in the 2020 plan. Nursing has been an early priority department from the initial development plan and OM would be a next step.
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(03-21-2021 06:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 06:29 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:27 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 07:31 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  As a graduate of both the University of Memphis and UT Health Science Center College of Medicine I can tell you that I perceived no partnership between the two institutions. Additionally the skids were by no means greased for myself or the very few U of M graduates in my class. I'm not sure why you would think that would be the case.

I am not quite sure how the partnership between Meharry, Methodist, et. al. would be set up but I don't know if it would necessarily hurt the university.

I am told frequently, us a graduate from UT that I somehow owe them a debt of gratitude. I actually take great pleasure in telling their fundraising department "no" on an annual basis. Until I pass from this earth any and all contributions I make to a University will be to the University of Memphis.

Because I have know many doctors that graduated from Memphis State that were fast tracked into UT med.

Maybe its you. I can't explain why you feel the way you do. If you recieved a scholarship maybe you should be thankful. I really dont care. UM will not have a med school. ETSU does though. Compare Meharry's ranking to ETSU. I mean seriously, why bother when there is a Med School in Memphis. This isnt about rah rah shite

Seems stupid, but what's new. Whatever.

07-coffee3

Not a rah rah post just my personal perception. I earned the presidential scholarship from the U of M. I worked hard at the U of M, graduated with a 3.987 GPA, had an excellent MCAT. Borrowed money every year (student loans) of med school. Just paid it back. Agree with you that the reputation of Meharry is not on par with UT but I'm not sure if the affiliation would be harmful in any way, I guess it is better than nothing.

Slacker. 03-lol But seriously congrats.

To me it sounds like they are avoiding the need to build something up from scratch. What do you think about that?

(03-21-2021 01:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:47 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.

What reputation will the U build partnering with an awful med school in Nashville?

Sorry we dont all fall in lock step

Serious question to gain understanding. Why do you consider them awful?

Based on its national ranking and general reputation. Feel free to enlighten me.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-...story.html

You can look up the reviews.

I just dont see the point when a state school is in the same city. But like I said, whatver.

As I said the reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what they have or do/not do in Nashville. Some see the problem and some see the potential. I'll bet on

As to why two Med Schools. I wasn't in on those conversations but I would speculate that the missions of what the U of M with Methodist builds will have a different from that of UT focus. Memphis/Methodist will much more community service oriented. Methodist will likely be sole affiliated hospital. St Jude and Methodist have agreements so specializations in Sickle Cell research and treatment for instance would be a natural. Memphis is an open lab opportunity due to high poverty and several significant health risk categories that UT does not cover. With Methodist and Meharry partnerships the health related grant opportunities combined with our R1 designation will be significant.

I also would think that starting an independent Med School just simply would not happen. But using the Meharry existing licensure would skip a lot of the approval and regulatory steps allowing us to (1) create and (2) do it quickly.

This is a pet project and a priority for President Rudd on his way out of the president's seat but he isn't leaving Memphis. He has a Clinical Psychology business platform he is building in partnership...with Yale maybe?

Hopefully the "point" will become clear to you. If so that will mean a lot of people before you will get it.
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(03-19-2021 04:47 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  We all need to get behind this.

This has a larger impact on us than any 5* recruit.

We all should ask, how can we help. So how can I help?

No matter what the real answer to your question would be, I'm sure the actual answer you would get back is "money".
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(03-22-2021 01:32 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(03-19-2021 04:47 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  We all need to get behind this.

This has a larger impact on us than any 5* recruit.

We all should ask, how can we help. So how can I help?

No matter what the real answer to your question would be, I'm sure the actual answer you would get back is "money".

Money is always part of the answer but beyond that the question might be what can you offer and send the answer to the people that the Univ of Memphis identifies as the leads in making this happen.
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(03-21-2021 08:02 PM)Alanda Wrote:  ....
Maybe the unstated goal is to produce medical students outside of the UT system while not having to build something from the ground up?
...

Yeah, maybe this is a big flying middle finger to the UT state system? After all, we just got our own BOT.
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(03-22-2021 01:40 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 01:32 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(03-19-2021 04:47 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  We all need to get behind this.

This has a larger impact on us than any 5* recruit.

We all should ask, how can we help. So how can I help?

No matter what the real answer to your question would be, I'm sure the actual answer you would get back is "money".

Money is always part of the answer but beyond that the question might be what can you offer and send the answer to the people that the Univ of Memphis identifies as the leads in making this happen.

And I find myself asking more and more these days.... to what end? What is the point? On the one hand, I think it (college) is a total scam. It's a money-grab. I saw first hand from 2010-2016 (went back for my undergrad and Masters non-stop) how much money UofM charges for everything. I sent all 3 of my kids through there in the time from then to now. I have seen what tuition has done over the last decade. AND I ALSO SEE THE "STATE AND FEDERAL AID" THEY GET PER STUDENT. I'm sure it is not too much different at other state-level colleges around the region.

The point of all that money seems to be - build more buildings, tear down old buildings, build newer, nicer buildings, try and be the coolest kid on the block - in order to.... attract more kids.... in order to get more state and federal aid per student... I guess my point is it seems like the purpose of college has changed to a business model from an "educate the people" model. Maybe I'm naïve, and it's always been this way to one degree or another.... IDK....
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(03-21-2021 06:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 06:29 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:27 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 07:31 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  As a graduate of both the University of Memphis and UT Health Science Center College of Medicine I can tell you that I perceived no partnership between the two institutions. Additionally the skids were by no means greased for myself or the very few U of M graduates in my class. I'm not sure why you would think that would be the case.

I am not quite sure how the partnership between Meharry, Methodist, et. al. would be set up but I don't know if it would necessarily hurt the university.

I am told frequently, us a graduate from UT that I somehow owe them a debt of gratitude. I actually take great pleasure in telling their fundraising department "no" on an annual basis. Until I pass from this earth any and all contributions I make to a University will be to the University of Memphis.

Because I have know many doctors that graduated from Memphis State that were fast tracked into UT med.

Maybe its you. I can't explain why you feel the way you do. If you recieved a scholarship maybe you should be thankful. I really dont care. UM will not have a med school. ETSU does though. Compare Meharry's ranking to ETSU. I mean seriously, why bother when there is a Med School in Memphis. This isnt about rah rah shite

Seems stupid, but what's new. Whatever.

07-coffee3

Not a rah rah post just my personal perception. I earned the presidential scholarship from the U of M. I worked hard at the U of M, graduated with a 3.987 GPA, had an excellent MCAT. Borrowed money every year (student loans) of med school. Just paid it back. Agree with you that the reputation of Meharry is not on par with UT but I'm not sure if the affiliation would be harmful in any way, I guess it is better than nothing.

Slacker. 03-lol But seriously congrats.

To me it sounds like they are avoiding the need to build something up from scratch. What do you think about that?

(03-21-2021 01:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:47 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.

What reputation will the U build partnering with an awful med school in Nashville?

Sorry we dont all fall in lock step

Serious question to gain understanding. Why do you consider them awful?

Based on its national ranking and general reputation. Feel free to enlighten me.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-...story.html

You can look up the reviews.

I just dont see the point when a state school is in the same city. But like I said, whatver.

I don't know enough about the report but it's clear there is an issue to be addressed. A conclusion would be about the four colleges listed would be roughly 150 doctors from each school over the past 50 years have been disciplined for one of five categories of offenses ranging from fraud, sexual abuse, drug abuse, negligence or incompetence. That could mean 3 Drs. per year from the 4 schools mentioned. Is it recurring Drs or nonrecurring individual cases? Out does it spead across discipline categories? How many are working in high risk situations that increase the likelihood of complaints as opposed to those working in hospitals in affluent areas? What is the nature of drug abuse? a common problem for Drs working in high risk understaffed hospitals is taking sleeping pills to get to sleep and amphetamines to wake up and keep going.

Important comments in the article for perspective:
"I think it's kind of an irrational approach to analyzing a very complex set of issues," said Dr. Jordan Cohen, president of the American Association of Medical Colleges, who also characterized the effort as "simplistic" and "foolish."
"I don't think there are any bad medical schools" in the United States, Cohen said. "That's a null set."

"The two U.S. schools, Howard and Meharry, have played a critical role in the history of American medical education, training generations of black physicians when the doors to most schools were largely open only to whites. Doctors trained at these schools have gone on to provide care for many who were being turned away by all-white hospitals, or by physicians who refused to treat minorities."

Back to my opinion, I would say that the Memphis Med School would set it's own standards, have it's own admissions criteria, create it's own pool of applicants, train them in accordance with their own expectations and monitor students with their own methodologies.
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(03-22-2021 11:03 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  Osteopathic Medical School in Jackson, Tn., under the U of M banner is a very possible occurrence in the not distant future. That would be a med School, a very REAL med school.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Hopefully that works out as well.

(03-22-2021 01:47 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 08:02 PM)Alanda Wrote:  ....
Maybe the unstated goal is to produce medical students outside of the UT system while not having to build something from the ground up?
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Yeah, maybe this is a big flying middle finger to the UT state system? After all, we just got our own BOT.

I see it that way too, at least in part. 03-lol
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(03-22-2021 02:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 01:40 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 01:32 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(03-19-2021 04:47 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  We all need to get behind this.

This has a larger impact on us than any 5* recruit.

We all should ask, how can we help. So how can I help?

No matter what the real answer to your question would be, I'm sure the actual answer you would get back is "money".

Money is always part of the answer but beyond that the question might be what can you offer and send the answer to the people that the Univ of Memphis identifies as the leads in making this happen.

And I find myself asking more and more these days.... to what end? What is the point? On the one hand, I think it (college) is a total scam. It's a money-grab. I saw first hand from 2010-2016 (went back for my undergrad and Masters non-stop) how much money UofM charges for everything. I sent all 3 of my kids through there in the time from then to now. I have seen what tuition has done over the last decade. AND I ALSO SEE THE "STATE AND FEDERAL AID" THEY GET PER STUDENT. I'm sure it is not too much different at other state-level colleges around the region.

The point of all that money seems to be - build more buildings, tear down old buildings, build newer, nicer buildings, try and be the coolest kid on the block - in order to.... attract more kids.... in order to get more state and federal aid per student... I guess my point is it seems like the purpose of college has changed to a business model from an "educate the people" model. Maybe I'm naïve, and it's always been this way to one degree or another.... IDK....

No, your not naive. But you are both right and wrong. College is important and can be life changing and generational. Students need to be more purposeful in choosing majors and planning careers. Too many go because we created an expectation of that’s what being successful means. Skill development, apprenticeships, technical schools are all meaningful choses.

Rudd has been a rare hold the line on tuition increases president. The UM was way behind in facilities for a long time so the past decade had been catch up. The city of Memphis needs the UM to be R1. Reaching R1 is expensive but the rewards have ripple effect in many ways across all socioeconomic levels.

Is there waste? Absolutely but not to the degree it used to be.
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(03-20-2021 02:07 PM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 09:48 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  I have a degree from 'Memphis State Univ'. I have a DDS (dental) degree from 'Univ of Tennessee.' Those are the two actual university names on the two degrees. However, I always refer to my dental alma mater as 'UT Memphis'. I claim to have no orange blood. I hate the vols and their ignorant redneck fans. My heart belongs to the Memphis Tigers. It always will.

As you may guess, I never liked being a student in the UT system. People would tell me I owed allegiance to the Vols. I would argue the tigers were the home team for city of Memphis and the vols were the home team in a stadium 500 miles away from memphis. At that time, I had lived my entire life in Memphis.

I LOVE the sound and thought of 'Univ. of Memphis Medical School.' However, my initial reaction is concern. Medical, Dental schools etc. need a large patient base. The city of Memphis provides a good patient base for the UT Medical school etc. I do not see where this patient base would be large enough to support two medical school systems. Now, I admit that I know zero specifics about the plans for this new medical school. I am curious to learn more.

Have you ever driven through Nashville, home to Vandy Medical School and Meherry Medical school.
You forgot Belmont.
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(03-22-2021 01:17 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 06:44 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 06:29 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:27 PM)tigeriker Wrote:  
(03-20-2021 08:08 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Because I have know many doctors that graduated from Memphis State that were fast tracked into UT med.

Maybe its you. I can't explain why you feel the way you do. If you recieved a scholarship maybe you should be thankful. I really dont care. UM will not have a med school. ETSU does though. Compare Meharry's ranking to ETSU. I mean seriously, why bother when there is a Med School in Memphis. This isnt about rah rah shite

Seems stupid, but what's new. Whatever.

07-coffee3

Not a rah rah post just my personal perception. I earned the presidential scholarship from the U of M. I worked hard at the U of M, graduated with a 3.987 GPA, had an excellent MCAT. Borrowed money every year (student loans) of med school. Just paid it back. Agree with you that the reputation of Meharry is not on par with UT but I'm not sure if the affiliation would be harmful in any way, I guess it is better than nothing.

Slacker. 03-lol But seriously congrats.

To me it sounds like they are avoiding the need to build something up from scratch. What do you think about that?

(03-21-2021 01:53 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-21-2021 01:47 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  We already have a number of collaborations with UT-Med. the partnership we will have with Meharry doesn’t make any sense with UT. Look up the difference between collaboration and partnership. The important reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what happens in Nashville, which is not problematic in any way.

Some of you guys would complain about winning the lottery because all the taxes you would have to pay.

What reputation will the U build partnering with an awful med school in Nashville?

Sorry we dont all fall in lock step

Serious question to gain understanding. Why do you consider them awful?

Based on its national ranking and general reputation. Feel free to enlighten me.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-...story.html

You can look up the reviews.

I just dont see the point when a state school is in the same city. But like I said, whatver.

As I said the reputation will be what we build in Memphis not what they have or do/not do in Nashville. Some see the problem and some see the potential. I'll bet on

As to why two Med Schools. I wasn't in on those conversations but I would speculate that the missions of what the U of M with Methodist builds will have a different from that of UT focus. Memphis/Methodist will much more community service oriented. Methodist will likely be sole affiliated hospital. St Jude and Methodist have agreements so specializations in Sickle Cell research and treatment for instance would be a natural. Memphis is an open lab opportunity due to high poverty and several significant health risk categories that UT does not cover. With Methodist and Meharry partnerships the health related grant opportunities combined with our R1 designation will be significant.

I also would think that starting an independent Med School just simply would not happen. But using the Meharry existing licensure would skip a lot of the approval and regulatory steps allowing us to (1) create and (2) do it quickly.

This is a pet project and a priority for President Rudd on his way out of the president's seat but he isn't leaving Memphis. He has a Clinical Psychology business platform he is building in partnership...with Yale maybe?

Hopefully the "point" will become clear to you. If so that will mean a lot of people before you will get it.

You forgot to add. St. Jude has it's own graduate school not affiliated with UTHSC.

I wonder why they didn't think UTHSC was a good partner. St. Jude does more work with that School in St. Louis than UTHSC.
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