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RE: Drexel getting slaughtered
(03-22-2021 11:57 AM)J.B. Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:50 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:26 AM)J.B. Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 08:24 AM)Dukester Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 08:16 AM)J.B. Wrote:  Drexel should not have been a 16 seed based on their NET and was not put in any kind of place to succeed in the NCAA Tournament. The other 16 seeds also performed poorly. They were still the #6 seed in the conference and the #6 seed in a 16th ranked conference will usually get you the 16 seed. Had the CAA not screwed up their Covid game rescheduling play, things may have turned out differently. But my ultimate point in making all these excuses, is that the CAA is not a #16 seed conference under normal circumstances.

Nobody in the CAA had a top 100 team. Drexel did not ever finish in the top of the CAA. Enjoy your victory lap. Drexel was the best of a poor conference for a few days. They deserved a 16 seed, and they played & got beaten like a 16 seed.

Someone sounds bitter.

Not bitter at all - just honest.

You were likely around 15 years ago when we were a multiple bid league. Even had top 25 teams at times.

Today's caa is something we laughed about 15 years ago. On a good year the one bid CAA would get a 13 seed, and likely lose their coach. Richmond, VCU, GMU, & ODU are gone. You could argue to all of their detriments.

That said we are now in a 1 bid league that will occasionally snag a top 13-14 seed.

My point about Drexel not being a 16 seed was based purely on NET ratings.

Based on Net, based on RPI..... People list these like they are the gospel. They are a tool, but they do not over rule common sense.

Colgate was #9 overall in Net. Do you think they should of been a 2 or 3 seed?

Drexel was the 6th place team in a league that could of gotten a 16th seed no matter who won. We likely were right between 15 & 16 if one of the top teams won the CAAT.

I'm happy for you if you now feel Drexel is on it's way and played well.

There were many Drexel teams 10 years ago that were better than the one that played Friday.

Just not where my goal is for the program.
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(03-22-2021 10:22 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  My point was that based on their performance is there any doubt they would have lost to the 2 seeds by a wide margin even the 2 who lost to a 15 (Ohio State). They didn’t even crack 50 points while almost allowing 80. Illinois’s best guys only played 20 minutes.

We were going to be under dogs regardless, but the chance for victory is massively different by that single seed line, so yes. You do realize Illinois has one of the best defenses too? Even Loyola struggled getting to 70. Not sure what point you were trying to make was. Drexel lost to a really good team. As other stated, this was by no stretch a great Drexel squad. Not sure what you expected. Most 16s get beat and beat bad, doesnt mean they are awful teams.
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(03-22-2021 12:21 PM)dan10 Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 10:22 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  My point was that based on their performance is there any doubt they would have lost to the 2 seeds by a wide margin even the 2 who lost to a 15 (Ohio State). They didn’t even crack 50 points while almost allowing 80. Illinois’s best guys only played 20 minutes.

We were going to be under dogs regardless, but the chance for victory is massively different by that single seed line, so yes. You do realize Illinois has one of the best defenses too? Even Loyola struggled getting to 70. Not sure what point you were trying to make was. Drexel lost to a really good team. As other stated, this was by no stretch a great Drexel squad. Not sure what you expected. Most 16s get beat and beat bad, doesnt mean they are awful teams.

You are cherry picking - Loyola beat a team that Drexel made look like world beaters.

Relatively speaking any one from the CAA in the NCAAT would be awful this year.

In the over all 300+ teams Drexel is in the average category. Dan - I said about a month ago I though JMU's top challenges in the league were NE, HU, and Drexel. You said that surprised you because you were in 6th place. Drexel is a solid "CAA" team in a bad conference. Much like JMU was when it went as a 16 seed about 7-8 years ago.
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It surprised me only because we had no ability to win back to back and our road woes were well known. We went on a run, it was reasonably unexpected, though helped by Lewis going down.

Loyola is a top 25 quality team. Not cherry-picking at all. Illinois has the 5th ranked defense. Loyola has...you guess it #1 (Drexel is very pedestrian at 248). What Loyola did defensively for 40 minutes we are not capable of. We tried (Loyola played the same defense we threw at Illinois). 10 minutes got away from us, and during those 10 minutes we got slaughtered. We held our own, considering. Our offense is 104 (well above average), Illinois is 9 with Loyola at 35. Its not a real surprise to anyone that Loyola scored more than us while holding Illinois to struggling.

With that said, nobody wants a nearly 30 point loss. It is never a good look. We all know how down the CAA was this season. Until teams can keep players (unlikely) it will be hard for the league to climb with any consistency. The portal is and will be the death of non power conference basketball at the DI level (paired with paying players legally). Mid majors cant compete with free agency allowed.
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We're not as attractive league as we've been in the past, so I think the transfer portal will not be kind to us as a whole. I see it as we are all on our own if we want our basketball programs to show significant growth. I don't see this league pulling any of us up. We'll have to win and improve in spite of the CAA.
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(03-22-2021 03:08 PM)Dukester Wrote:  We're not as attractive league as we've been in the past, so I think the transfer portal will not be kind to us as a whole. I see it as we are all on our own if we want our basketball programs to show significant growth. I don't see this league pulling any of us up. We'll have to win and improve in spite of the CAA.

Same for our Softball and Lacrosse teams. Rinse & Repeat.
Does make it harder to maintain excellence
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(03-22-2021 04:20 PM)olddawg Wrote:  
(03-22-2021 03:08 PM)Dukester Wrote:  We're not as attractive league as we've been in the past, so I think the transfer portal will not be kind to us as a whole. I see it as we are all on our own if we want our basketball programs to show significant growth. I don't see this league pulling any of us up. We'll have to win and improve in spite of the CAA.

Same for our Softball and Lacrosse teams. Rinse & Repeat.
Does make it harder to maintain excellence

We've broken through in Softball and established our-self as a national program in a lower level conference. We had done similar in WBB, although it appears we've given some of that progress back.

It's certainly more challenging in Men's basketball, but we've seen enough success by others the last couple decades in CAA basketball, we know we can do much better than we've done even in the watered down CAA.
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