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(04-01-2021 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:00 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  ksl in Salt Lake City (unfortunately, I can't make the link work) published an article today suggesting that Utah team up with BYU and jointly make a proposal to the Big 12 about those 2 schools becoming the 11th and 12th members of the Big 12.

...............

If anything, it could just mean that someone in Utah is getting nervous about the ongoing money differential and the anticipated gargantuan difference in the near future.

I think this is the link you wanted. It is an interesting idea. The Big 12 knows 12 is a good number to be at, but there is nobody in the G5 worth adding. Utah and BYU just might be, if the Arizona schools aren't interested, and I think the Arizona schools are more culturally comfortable with the PAC.

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-...byu-along/

It must be a slow news day for the guy at KSL. If I am at West Virginia, I am a no vote on Utah and BYU. I would want Cincinnati. WVU is 300 miles from Cincinnati, If I am at Iowa State, I would vote no on Utah and BYU and yes on Cincinnati. Ames, Iowa is 600 miles from Cincinnati and 1,100 miles from Salt Lake City. Kansas is 630 miles from Cincinnati and over a 1,000 miles from SLC. I think all three schools are more likely to recruit in Ohio than in Utah.

In 2018-2019, the Big 12 distributed $388 million to 10 schools, a total of $38.8 million. The Pac-12 that year distributed $387 million, an average of $32.2M per member university. The net revenue was the same, the Big 12 just had two less teams. Also, the Pac-12 reported revenues of $530 million. The Pac-12 Network reported revenue of $123 million and expenses of $90 million. If the next Pac-12 Commissioner can fix the Pac-12 Network issues, improve revenue and reduce overall expenses, they would distribute more to each school even before they negotiate their next TV deal.

The Pac-12 schools are all closer to Salt Lake City and Utah recruits all over the west, especially in California. By the way, the writer suggests that USC winning in football would help a lot. It sure would, but it would also help if Utah could win games on the Big Stage. Getting crushed by Oregon when they needed a win to clinch a conference title and a playoff berth was not helpful to the conference. Getting boat raced by Texas in the Alamo Bowl was not helpful. The Pac-12 has collected 19 financial units from this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, worth $38.4 million over the next six years. Utah contributed nothing to this. The guy should write an article on how fortunate Utah is to be in the Pac-12.
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(04-01-2021 12:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:00 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  ksl in Salt Lake City (unfortunately, I can't make the link work) published an article today suggesting that Utah team up with BYU and jointly make a proposal to the Big 12 about those 2 schools becoming the 11th and 12th members of the Big 12.

...............

If anything, it could just mean that someone in Utah is getting nervous about the ongoing money differential and the anticipated gargantuan difference in the near future.

I think this is the link you wanted. It is an interesting idea. The Big 12 knows 12 is a good number to be at, but there is nobody in the G5 worth adding. Utah and BYU just might be, if the Arizona schools aren't interested, and I think the Arizona schools are more culturally comfortable with the PAC.

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-...byu-along/

It must be a slow news day for the guy at KSL. If I am at West Virginia, I am a no vote on Utah and BYU. I would want Cincinnati. WVU is 300 miles from Cincinnati, If I am at Iowa State, I would vote no on Utah and BYU and yes on Cincinnati. Ames, Iowa is 600 miles from Cincinnati and 1,100 miles from Salt Lake City. Kansas is 630 miles from Cincinnati and over a 1,000 miles from SLC. I think all three schools are more likely to recruit in Ohio than in Utah.

In 2018-2019, the Big 12 distributed $388 million to 10 schools, a total of $38.8 million. The Pac-12 that year distributed $387 million, an average of $32.2M per member university. The net revenue was the same, the Big 12 just had two less teams. Also, the Pac-12 reported revenues of $530 million. The Pac-12 Network reported revenue of $123 million and expenses of $90 million. If the next Pac-12 Commissioner can fix the Pac-12 Network issues, improve revenue and reduce overall expenses, they would distribute more to each school even before they negotiate their next TV deal.

The Pac-12 schools are all closer to Salt Lake City and Utah recruits all over the west, especially in California. By the way, the writer suggests that USC winning in football would help a lot. It sure would, but it would also help if Utah could win games on the Big Stage. Getting crushed by Oregon when they needed a win to clinch a conference title and a playoff berth was not helpful to the conference. Getting boat raced by Texas in the Alamo Bowl was not helpful. The Pac-12 has collected 19 financial units from this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, worth $38.4 million over the next six years. Utah contributed nothing to this. The guy should write an article on how fortunate Utah is to be in the Pac-12.

Good points. But, I don't think Iowa State and WV are going to have a lot to say about who, if anyone, gets added. They are not exactly the Power Duo of the conference. Cincy is not joining the Big 12.

That said, I agree with a lot else that you say. The PAC is generating remarkable revenues given how badly botched the PACN has been, and given that they are at the tail-end of a 12 year media deal that was superseded by others almost as soon as the ink was dry.

For all of its problems, the PAC does seem to have a higher ceiling than the Big 12. Heck, USC gets dumped on more than it deserves. It's not that far away from being a national contender. USC played in NY6 bowls in 2016 and 2017, and came within an eyelash of winning the PAC and playing one again this year.

And the PAC is no longer is saddled with Larry Scott.
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(04-01-2021 01:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:00 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  ksl in Salt Lake City (unfortunately, I can't make the link work) published an article today suggesting that Utah team up with BYU and jointly make a proposal to the Big 12 about those 2 schools becoming the 11th and 12th members of the Big 12.

...............

If anything, it could just mean that someone in Utah is getting nervous about the ongoing money differential and the anticipated gargantuan difference in the near future.

I think this is the link you wanted. It is an interesting idea. The Big 12 knows 12 is a good number to be at, but there is nobody in the G5 worth adding. Utah and BYU just might be, if the Arizona schools aren't interested, and I think the Arizona schools are more culturally comfortable with the PAC.

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-...byu-along/

It must be a slow news day for the guy at KSL. If I am at West Virginia, I am a no vote on Utah and BYU. I would want Cincinnati. WVU is 300 miles from Cincinnati, If I am at Iowa State, I would vote no on Utah and BYU and yes on Cincinnati. Ames, Iowa is 600 miles from Cincinnati and 1,100 miles from Salt Lake City. Kansas is 630 miles from Cincinnati and over a 1,000 miles from SLC. I think all three schools are more likely to recruit in Ohio than in Utah.

In 2018-2019, the Big 12 distributed $388 million to 10 schools, a total of $38.8 million. The Pac-12 that year distributed $387 million, an average of $32.2M per member university. The net revenue was the same, the Big 12 just had two less teams. Also, the Pac-12 reported revenues of $530 million. The Pac-12 Network reported revenue of $123 million and expenses of $90 million. If the next Pac-12 Commissioner can fix the Pac-12 Network issues, improve revenue and reduce overall expenses, they would distribute more to each school even before they negotiate their next TV deal.

The Pac-12 schools are all closer to Salt Lake City and Utah recruits all over the west, especially in California. By the way, the writer suggests that USC winning in football would help a lot. It sure would, but it would also help if Utah could win games on the Big Stage. Getting crushed by Oregon when they needed a win to clinch a conference title and a playoff berth was not helpful to the conference. Getting boat raced by Texas in the Alamo Bowl was not helpful. The Pac-12 has collected 19 financial units from this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, worth $38.4 million over the next six years. Utah contributed nothing to this. The guy should write an article on how fortunate Utah is to be in the Pac-12.

Good points. But, I don't think Iowa State and WV are going to have a lot to say about who, if anyone, gets added. They are not exactly the Power Duo of the conference. Cincy is not joining the Big 12.

That said, I agree with a lot else that you say. The PAC is generating remarkable revenues given how badly botched the PACN has been, and given that they are at the tail-end of a 12 year media deal that was superseded by others almost as soon as the ink was dry.

For all of its problems, the PAC does seem to have a higher ceiling than the Big 12. And it no longer is saddled with Larry Scott.

The PAC ceiling is limited by viewership. When that picks up we will see their revenues rise a lot more. They will get a bump in the next contract, and moves they suggested this week to streamline the PACN and bring it down to 1 channel instead of multiple regionals will help as well.

I never understood why anybody touted Scott. They guy soaked the conference with high overhead for conference office expense and he had the highest paid salary of the P5 while the too most successful Delany and Slive were the lowest two paid. The only thing Scott succeeded at doing was being a much better grifter than even Swofford.
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(03-19-2021 11:05 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-19-2021 09:51 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  ...or why they'll be calling Texas and Oklahoma sooner rather than later.

https://awfulannouncing.com/local-networ...ibers.html

Why would they be calling Texas and Oklahoma? Interest in West Coast football would likely be even lower in those states than they are in the existing PAC 12 footprint.

And why would Texas and Oklahoma (particularly Oklahoma) leave the Big 12? They've shown that they have a way better chance of making the playoff in the Big 12 than moving to the PAC which never gets a team in, or the much more competitive SEC and BIG 10. ACC is a gamble. If Clemson dropped off, then the ACC is no tougher than the MAC, but no guarantee that they do. Either way, they are in a good spot where they are.
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(04-01-2021 12:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:00 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  ksl in Salt Lake City (unfortunately, I can't make the link work) published an article today suggesting that Utah team up with BYU and jointly make a proposal to the Big 12 about those 2 schools becoming the 11th and 12th members of the Big 12.

...............

If anything, it could just mean that someone in Utah is getting nervous about the ongoing money differential and the anticipated gargantuan difference in the near future.

I think this is the link you wanted. It is an interesting idea. The Big 12 knows 12 is a good number to be at, but there is nobody in the G5 worth adding. Utah and BYU just might be, if the Arizona schools aren't interested, and I think the Arizona schools are more culturally comfortable with the PAC.

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-...byu-along/

It must be a slow news day for the guy at KSL. If I am at West Virginia, I am a no vote on Utah and BYU. I would want Cincinnati. WVU is 300 miles from Cincinnati, If I am at Iowa State, I would vote no on Utah and BYU and yes on Cincinnati. Ames, Iowa is 600 miles from Cincinnati and 1,100 miles from Salt Lake City. Kansas is 630 miles from Cincinnati and over a 1,000 miles from SLC. I think all three schools are more likely to recruit in Ohio than in Utah.

In 2018-2019, the Big 12 distributed $388 million to 10 schools, a total of $38.8 million. The Pac-12 that year distributed $387 million, an average of $32.2M per member university. The net revenue was the same, the Big 12 just had two less teams. Also, the Pac-12 reported revenues of $530 million. The Pac-12 Network reported revenue of $123 million and expenses of $90 million. If the next Pac-12 Commissioner can fix the Pac-12 Network issues, improve revenue and reduce overall expenses, they would distribute more to each school even before they negotiate their next TV deal.

The Pac-12 schools are all closer to Salt Lake City and Utah recruits all over the west, especially in California. By the way, the writer suggests that USC winning in football would help a lot. It sure would, but it would also help if Utah could win games on the Big Stage. Getting crushed by Oregon when they needed a win to clinch a conference title and a playoff berth was not helpful to the conference. Getting boat raced by Texas in the Alamo Bowl was not helpful. The Pac-12 has collected 19 financial units from this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, worth $38.4 million over the next six years. Utah contributed nothing to this. The guy should write an article on how fortunate Utah is to be in the Pac-12.
Yeah, until we know what the Pac 12 and their new commissioner are going to do with their network problems, the realignment implications are very unclear. What are they going to do to increase revenues and reduce costs and get more distribution at higher fees per subscriber. If they jettison the 6 regionals, that would decrease costs and perhaps raise distribution of the conference network, but what are they going to do with all the unused inventory? Do they just force each school to suddenly come up with their own Tier 3 deals for the next 3 years? Some would fare better than others in that scenario which might disappoint/anger the relative losers. Do they cancel the whole package and seek an immediate re-negotiation with ESPN/Fox? I could easily see the networks either refusing or saying sure we'll re-negotiate but you won't get the bump you thought you were going to get. Do they seek a white knight (which could be ESPN or Fox) to buy 1/2 and help with the distribution (DirectTV) and the subscriber fees - they could be lowballed there too and would have to share the profits (such as they are). Realistically, they've got less than 3 years to do all this and turn the situation around, and practically, they would want to have it all re-negotiated a year or so in advance, so that makes it less than 2 years. And, their commissioner transition period doesn't end until this summer which cuts another few months off.

Right now, ALL Pac 12 schools are committed to the conference and the Big 12 simply can't pick off anyone. Will that remain the case after the all-round readjustment? Will the equal revenue sharing model continue? Will they allow Tier 3 freedom, like the Big 12? Will anyone get angry and seek a better deal? We just don't know. If they just let things ride, the problems won't go away and they'll lose leverage in upcoming negotiations.

I think Texas (er, the Big 12) would be interested in USC and possibly a few other top tier Pac 12 schools; not Utah and they've already passed on BYU.
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(04-01-2021 01:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 01:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:00 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  ksl in Salt Lake City (unfortunately, I can't make the link work) published an article today suggesting that Utah team up with BYU and jointly make a proposal to the Big 12 about those 2 schools becoming the 11th and 12th members of the Big 12.

...............

If anything, it could just mean that someone in Utah is getting nervous about the ongoing money differential and the anticipated gargantuan difference in the near future.

I think this is the link you wanted. It is an interesting idea. The Big 12 knows 12 is a good number to be at, but there is nobody in the G5 worth adding. Utah and BYU just might be, if the Arizona schools aren't interested, and I think the Arizona schools are more culturally comfortable with the PAC.

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-...byu-along/

It must be a slow news day for the guy at KSL. If I am at West Virginia, I am a no vote on Utah and BYU. I would want Cincinnati. WVU is 300 miles from Cincinnati, If I am at Iowa State, I would vote no on Utah and BYU and yes on Cincinnati. Ames, Iowa is 600 miles from Cincinnati and 1,100 miles from Salt Lake City. Kansas is 630 miles from Cincinnati and over a 1,000 miles from SLC. I think all three schools are more likely to recruit in Ohio than in Utah.

In 2018-2019, the Big 12 distributed $388 million to 10 schools, a total of $38.8 million. The Pac-12 that year distributed $387 million, an average of $32.2M per member university. The net revenue was the same, the Big 12 just had two less teams. Also, the Pac-12 reported revenues of $530 million. The Pac-12 Network reported revenue of $123 million and expenses of $90 million. If the next Pac-12 Commissioner can fix the Pac-12 Network issues, improve revenue and reduce overall expenses, they would distribute more to each school even before they negotiate their next TV deal.

The Pac-12 schools are all closer to Salt Lake City and Utah recruits all over the west, especially in California. By the way, the writer suggests that USC winning in football would help a lot. It sure would, but it would also help if Utah could win games on the Big Stage. Getting crushed by Oregon when they needed a win to clinch a conference title and a playoff berth was not helpful to the conference. Getting boat raced by Texas in the Alamo Bowl was not helpful. The Pac-12 has collected 19 financial units from this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, worth $38.4 million over the next six years. Utah contributed nothing to this. The guy should write an article on how fortunate Utah is to be in the Pac-12.

Good points. But, I don't think Iowa State and WV are going to have a lot to say about who, if anyone, gets added. They are not exactly the Power Duo of the conference. Cincy is not joining the Big 12.

That said, I agree with a lot else that you say. The PAC is generating remarkable revenues given how badly botched the PACN has been, and given that they are at the tail-end of a 12 year media deal that was superseded by others almost as soon as the ink was dry.

For all of its problems, the PAC does seem to have a higher ceiling than the Big 12. And it no longer is saddled with Larry Scott.

The PAC ceiling is limited by viewership. When that picks up we will see their revenues rise a lot more. They will get a bump in the next contract, and moves they suggested this week to streamline the PACN and bring it down to 1 channel instead of multiple regionals will help as well.

I never understood why anybody touted Scott. They guy soaked the conference with high overhead for conference office expense and he had the highest paid salary of the P5 while the too most successful Delany and Slive were the lowest two paid. The only thing Scott succeeded at doing was being a much better grifter than even Swofford.

IIRC Scott was paid way more than any other P5 commissioner and yet his results were arguably the worst of any of them during his tenure. That about sums it, IMO.
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(04-01-2021 05:46 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  Right now, ALL Pac 12 schools are committed to the conference and the Big 12 simply can't pick off anyone. Will that remain the case after the all-round readjustment? Will the equal revenue sharing model continue? Will they allow Tier 3 freedom, like the Big 12? Will anyone get angry and seek a better deal? We just don't know. If they just let things ride, the problems won't go away and they'll lose leverage in upcoming negotiations.

I think Texas (er, the Big 12) would be interested in USC and possibly a few other top tier Pac 12 schools; not Utah and they've already passed on BYU.

The Pac-12 schools are a pretty tight group. They will not be picked off. No one has ever left the Pac. The Big 12, on the other hand, has lost Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri. The Big 12 should be focused on holding on to what they have got. The Pac-12 needs to hire a competent commissioner to run the league and fix their many issues. The keystone cops operation they have been running needs a major overhaul. Tier 3 freedom will not be an option in the Pac-12. The Big 12 does that because of the Longhorn Network. The Pac-12 already owns their own network, they just need someone to operate it efficiently.
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(04-01-2021 01:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 01:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:00 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  ksl in Salt Lake City (unfortunately, I can't make the link work) published an article today suggesting that Utah team up with BYU and jointly make a proposal to the Big 12 about those 2 schools becoming the 11th and 12th members of the Big 12.

...............

If anything, it could just mean that someone in Utah is getting nervous about the ongoing money differential and the anticipated gargantuan difference in the near future.

I think this is the link you wanted. It is an interesting idea. The Big 12 knows 12 is a good number to be at, but there is nobody in the G5 worth adding. Utah and BYU just might be, if the Arizona schools aren't interested, and I think the Arizona schools are more culturally comfortable with the PAC.

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-...byu-along/

It must be a slow news day for the guy at KSL. If I am at West Virginia, I am a no vote on Utah and BYU. I would want Cincinnati. WVU is 300 miles from Cincinnati, If I am at Iowa State, I would vote no on Utah and BYU and yes on Cincinnati. Ames, Iowa is 600 miles from Cincinnati and 1,100 miles from Salt Lake City. Kansas is 630 miles from Cincinnati and over a 1,000 miles from SLC. I think all three schools are more likely to recruit in Ohio than in Utah.

In 2018-2019, the Big 12 distributed $388 million to 10 schools, a total of $38.8 million. The Pac-12 that year distributed $387 million, an average of $32.2M per member university. The net revenue was the same, the Big 12 just had two less teams. Also, the Pac-12 reported revenues of $530 million. The Pac-12 Network reported revenue of $123 million and expenses of $90 million. If the next Pac-12 Commissioner can fix the Pac-12 Network issues, improve revenue and reduce overall expenses, they would distribute more to each school even before they negotiate their next TV deal.

The Pac-12 schools are all closer to Salt Lake City and Utah recruits all over the west, especially in California. By the way, the writer suggests that USC winning in football would help a lot. It sure would, but it would also help if Utah could win games on the Big Stage. Getting crushed by Oregon when they needed a win to clinch a conference title and a playoff berth was not helpful to the conference. Getting boat raced by Texas in the Alamo Bowl was not helpful. The Pac-12 has collected 19 financial units from this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, worth $38.4 million over the next six years. Utah contributed nothing to this. The guy should write an article on how fortunate Utah is to be in the Pac-12.

Good points. But, I don't think Iowa State and WV are going to have a lot to say about who, if anyone, gets added. They are not exactly the Power Duo of the conference. Cincy is not joining the Big 12.

That said, I agree with a lot else that you say. The PAC is generating remarkable revenues given how badly botched the PACN has been, and given that they are at the tail-end of a 12 year media deal that was superseded by others almost as soon as the ink was dry.

For all of its problems, the PAC does seem to have a higher ceiling than the Big 12. And it no longer is saddled with Larry Scott.

The PAC ceiling is limited by viewership. When that picks up we will see their revenues rise a lot more. They will get a bump in the next contract, and moves they suggested this week to streamline the PACN and bring it down to 1 channel instead of multiple regionals will help as well.

I never understood why anybody touted Scott. They guy soaked the conference with high overhead for conference office expense and he had the highest paid salary of the P5 while the too most successful Delany and Slive were the lowest two paid. The only thing Scott succeeded at doing was being a much better grifter than even Swofford.

He was seen as a visionary man who thought outside the box but that was the first two or three years then he just lived a good expensive lifestyle. He got a conference network where schools had equity, got the conference what was then the most expensive tv deal and almost pulled a Pac-16. None of those things worked at the end and he was exposed as the fraud he was. I think the only good thing he did was to move the basketball tournament to from L.A. to Las Vegas.

You knew things were not good for Scott and his days were numbered when Utah fans booed the man who gave them a spot in the P5.
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(04-01-2021 12:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:00 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  ksl in Salt Lake City (unfortunately, I can't make the link work) published an article today suggesting that Utah team up with BYU and jointly make a proposal to the Big 12 about those 2 schools becoming the 11th and 12th members of the Big 12.

...............

If anything, it could just mean that someone in Utah is getting nervous about the ongoing money differential and the anticipated gargantuan difference in the near future.

I think this is the link you wanted. It is an interesting idea. The Big 12 knows 12 is a good number to be at, but there is nobody in the G5 worth adding. Utah and BYU just might be, if the Arizona schools aren't interested, and I think the Arizona schools are more culturally comfortable with the PAC.

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-...byu-along/

It must be a slow news day for the guy at KSL. If I am at West Virginia, I am a no vote on Utah and BYU. I would want Cincinnati. WVU is 300 miles from Cincinnati, If I am at Iowa State, I would vote no on Utah and BYU and yes on Cincinnati. Ames, Iowa is 600 miles from Cincinnati and 1,100 miles from Salt Lake City. Kansas is 630 miles from Cincinnati and over a 1,000 miles from SLC. I think all three schools are more likely to recruit in Ohio than in Utah.

In 2018-2019, the Big 12 distributed $388 million to 10 schools, a total of $38.8 million. The Pac-12 that year distributed $387 million, an average of $32.2M per member university. The net revenue was the same, the Big 12 just had two less teams. Also, the Pac-12 reported revenues of $530 million. The Pac-12 Network reported revenue of $123 million and expenses of $90 million. If the next Pac-12 Commissioner can fix the Pac-12 Network issues, improve revenue and reduce overall expenses, they would distribute more to each school even before they negotiate their next TV deal.

The Pac-12 schools are all closer to Salt Lake City and Utah recruits all over the west, especially in California. By the way, the writer suggests that USC winning in football would help a lot. It sure would, but it would also help if Utah could win games on the Big Stage. Getting crushed by Oregon when they needed a win to clinch a conference title and a playoff berth was not helpful to the conference. Getting boat raced by Texas in the Alamo Bowl was not helpful. The Pac-12 has collected 19 financial units from this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, worth $38.4 million over the next six years. Utah contributed nothing to this. The guy should write an article on how fortunate Utah is to be in the Pac-12.

The Pac-12 doing well in the March Madness tournament helped them a lot, having Stanford play Arizona in the Women's Final helps a lot as well. They do really well in the College World Series. I think the Pac-12 can see if they can get a deal with ViacomCBS, let them have two of your games for CBS OTA, and make it a double-header. Ideally, the Pac-12 should've sold part of their network to AT&T when they had the chance, that was a really dumb move by Larry Scott as it would've put the Pac-12 Networks on DIRECTV, U-verse and AT&T TV.
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Larry Scott was booed by Utah fans due to crowd psychology and the bandwagon effect. Most people booing don’t even know what they’re booing. Nhl fans do it to Gary Bettman every year even though he’s a top notch commissioner.
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(04-05-2021 12:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Larry Scott was booed by Utah fans due to crowd psychology and the bandwagon effect. Most people booing don’t even know what they’re booing. Nhl fans do it to Gary Bettman every year even though he’s a top notch commissioner.

Has a commissioner ever gotten cheered?
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(04-05-2021 12:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Larry Scott was booed by Utah fans due to crowd psychology and the bandwagon effect. Most people booing don’t even know what they’re booing. Nhl fans do it to Gary Bettman every year even though he’s a top notch commissioner.

Larry Scott has a history of enjoying the finest things in life at the expense of the conference. My issues are exactly that! It's been reported many times and it's simply greed on his part. Athletes are protesting (NIL), and a lot of these adults, Larry Scott among others, are complete hypocrites when arguing against them.
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(04-02-2021 08:52 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 01:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 01:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 12:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  I think this is the link you wanted. It is an interesting idea. The Big 12 knows 12 is a good number to be at, but there is nobody in the G5 worth adding. Utah and BYU just might be, if the Arizona schools aren't interested, and I think the Arizona schools are more culturally comfortable with the PAC.

https://kslsports.com/456413/pitch-utah-...byu-along/

It must be a slow news day for the guy at KSL. If I am at West Virginia, I am a no vote on Utah and BYU. I would want Cincinnati. WVU is 300 miles from Cincinnati, If I am at Iowa State, I would vote no on Utah and BYU and yes on Cincinnati. Ames, Iowa is 600 miles from Cincinnati and 1,100 miles from Salt Lake City. Kansas is 630 miles from Cincinnati and over a 1,000 miles from SLC. I think all three schools are more likely to recruit in Ohio than in Utah.

In 2018-2019, the Big 12 distributed $388 million to 10 schools, a total of $38.8 million. The Pac-12 that year distributed $387 million, an average of $32.2M per member university. The net revenue was the same, the Big 12 just had two less teams. Also, the Pac-12 reported revenues of $530 million. The Pac-12 Network reported revenue of $123 million and expenses of $90 million. If the next Pac-12 Commissioner can fix the Pac-12 Network issues, improve revenue and reduce overall expenses, they would distribute more to each school even before they negotiate their next TV deal.

The Pac-12 schools are all closer to Salt Lake City and Utah recruits all over the west, especially in California. By the way, the writer suggests that USC winning in football would help a lot. It sure would, but it would also help if Utah could win games on the Big Stage. Getting crushed by Oregon when they needed a win to clinch a conference title and a playoff berth was not helpful to the conference. Getting boat raced by Texas in the Alamo Bowl was not helpful. The Pac-12 has collected 19 financial units from this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, worth $38.4 million over the next six years. Utah contributed nothing to this. The guy should write an article on how fortunate Utah is to be in the Pac-12.

Good points. But, I don't think Iowa State and WV are going to have a lot to say about who, if anyone, gets added. They are not exactly the Power Duo of the conference. Cincy is not joining the Big 12.

That said, I agree with a lot else that you say. The PAC is generating remarkable revenues given how badly botched the PACN has been, and given that they are at the tail-end of a 12 year media deal that was superseded by others almost as soon as the ink was dry.

For all of its problems, the PAC does seem to have a higher ceiling than the Big 12. And it no longer is saddled with Larry Scott.

The PAC ceiling is limited by viewership. When that picks up we will see their revenues rise a lot more. They will get a bump in the next contract, and moves they suggested this week to streamline the PACN and bring it down to 1 channel instead of multiple regionals will help as well.

I never understood why anybody touted Scott. They guy soaked the conference with high overhead for conference office expense and he had the highest paid salary of the P5 while the too most successful Delany and Slive were the lowest two paid. The only thing Scott succeeded at doing was being a much better grifter than even Swofford.

He was seen as a visionary man who thought outside the box but that was the first two or three years then he just lived a good expensive lifestyle. He got a conference network where schools had equity, got the conference what was then the most expensive tv deal and almost pulled a Pac-16. None of those things worked at the end ...

That's the thing about being an outside-the-box-visionary: People are attracted to that because it is dashing and romantic. But the problem is, sometimes visions turn out to be mirages. As you say, Scott tried two Big Bold Things, the PAC 16 attempt and the PAC Network, and both were failures. And the one thing he did achieve, signing a big TV deal, turned out to be not-so-big once others started to sign their deals. That turned out to be less about his negotiating acumen and more about the overall nature of college media rights at the time.

Scott also played one more gamble that we don't know the outcome of yet - he timed the PACN and the media deals to all come up for renewal in 2024, betting on a massive payday. The jury is still out on that. If it does come to fruition, even under new leadership, we will have to reappraise Scott's tenure at least from an accomplishments side.
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(04-05-2021 12:57 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Larry Scott was booed by Utah fans due to crowd psychology and the bandwagon effect. Most people booing don’t even know what they’re booing. Nhl fans do it to Gary Bettman every year even though he’s a top notch commissioner.

It is easy to hate Larry Scott as a fan because he is the reason that your unable to watch your favorite Pac-12 team on TV. The Pac-12 Network is down to 14.8 million subscribers as of December 2020 and that number is not rising. In 2019, Utah played four of their first seven games on the Pac-12 Network, which meant that most Utah fans didn't get to watch those games. That included a game in which 13th ranked Utah played 17th ranked Arizona State.

When Pac-12 players met with him last year regarding health and safety issues, he was described by the players as “often condescending, unprepared and unwilling to meet with them again.” He called their demands a "PR Stunt" and told them to “just opt out and go home” if they feel unsafe. When the AD's would have a conference call or meeting with him, “we would raise questions” but “there wasn’t a lot of concern with what we had to say.” He once told one AD that, “You’re lucky for what you get.” Another AD described Scott as, “a lavish guy; he likes extravagance … Larry likes to go first cabin.”

Scott was your classic grifter. It worked out for him, but everybody else got screwed and now the next commissioner has to come in and clean up the mess he left behind.
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(04-01-2021 05:46 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  Right now, ALL Pac 12 schools are committed to the conference and the Big 12 simply can't pick off anyone. Will that remain the case after the all-round readjustment? Will the equal revenue sharing model continue? Will they allow Tier 3 freedom, like the Big 12? Will anyone get angry and seek a better deal? We just don't know. If they just let things ride, the problems won't go away and they'll lose leverage in upcoming negotiations.

I think Texas (er, the Big 12) would be interested in USC and possibly a few other top tier Pac 12 schools; not Utah and they've already passed on BYU.

The Pac-12 schools are a pretty tight group. They will not be picked off. No one has ever left the Pac. The Big 12, on the other hand, has lost Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri. The Big 12 should be focused on holding on to what they have got. The Pac-12 needs to hire a competent commissioner to run the league and fix their many issues. The keystone cops operation they have been running needs a major overhaul. Tier 3 freedom will not be an option in the Pac-12. The Big 12 does that because of the Longhorn Network. The Pac-12 already owns their own network, they just need someone to operate it efficiently.

Montana and Idaho left.
The conference collapsed in the late 50s over the cheating scandal and Oregon schools were kept out for a while.
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(04-05-2021 05:01 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(04-02-2021 06:58 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-01-2021 05:46 PM)Jared7 Wrote:  Right now, ALL Pac 12 schools are committed to the conference and the Big 12 simply can't pick off anyone. Will that remain the case after the all-round readjustment? Will the equal revenue sharing model continue? Will they allow Tier 3 freedom, like the Big 12? Will anyone get angry and seek a better deal? We just don't know. If they just let things ride, the problems won't go away and they'll lose leverage in upcoming negotiations.

I think Texas (er, the Big 12) would be interested in USC and possibly a few other top tier Pac 12 schools; not Utah and they've already passed on BYU.

The Pac-12 schools are a pretty tight group. They will not be picked off. No one has ever left the Pac. The Big 12, on the other hand, has lost Texas A&M, Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri. The Big 12 should be focused on holding on to what they have got. The Pac-12 needs to hire a competent commissioner to run the league and fix their many issues. The keystone cops operation they have been running needs a major overhaul. Tier 3 freedom will not be an option in the Pac-12. The Big 12 does that because of the Longhorn Network. The Pac-12 already owns their own network, they just need someone to operate it efficiently.

Montana and Idaho left.
The conference collapsed in the late 50s over the cheating scandal and Oregon schools were kept out for a while.

They officially became the Pac-8 in 1968, then the Pac-10 in 1978 and then the Pac-12 about a decade ago. They have never lost a team since they became the Pac in 1968. Montana left in 1950 when they were called the Pacific Coast Conference. The PCC disbanded in the spring of 1959 and Idaho became an independent.
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Ah, so nobody has left this big Pacific Coast conference, because the last time someone left the big Pacific Coast Conference, it disbanded and reformed under a new name, and this is that reformed version.
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