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Here's a thought for all those upset with the on court product for MBB--Since most of you choose not to attend both WBB and MBB, now is the perfect time to just start coming to WBB and stop going to MBB. Let the MBB crowd be <500 and pump up the WBB attendance levels!! No one attending MBB will perhaps send a message. The current plan of maintaining attendance and complaining on this board certainly isn't working!

That's just my .02 and yet another plug for folks to come out and support the Lady Monarchs!

(12-11-2023 08:53 AM)99Monarch Wrote:  Here's a thought for all those upset with the on court product for MBB--Since most of you choose not to attend both WBB and MBB, now is the perfect time to just start coming to WBB and stop going to MBB. Let the MBB crowd be <500 and pump up the WBB attendance levels!! No one attending MBB will perhaps send a message. The current plan of maintaining attendance and complaining on this board certainly isn't working!

That's just my .02 and yet another plug for folks to come out and support the Lady Monarchs!

Not a bad idea, and may actually drive home to the powers that be the idea that winning actually matters. The ladies are having a great year so far and deserve support. I really hope some folks follow them up to VCU next week. Thats going to be a very tough game as well. Win that, and that showdown with an unbeaten ODU vs. NC State at the Ted could be the most epic basketball game in the Ted in years. Like the pre-Selig days. I love it.

(12-11-2023 08:53 AM)99Monarch Wrote:  Here's a thought for all those upset with the on court product for MBB--Since most of you choose not to attend both WBB and MBB, now is the perfect time to just start coming to WBB and stop going to MBB. Let the MBB crowd be <500 and pump up the WBB attendance levels!! No one attending MBB will perhaps send a message. The current plan of maintaining attendance and complaining on this board certainly isn't working!

That's just my .02 and yet another plug for folks to come out and support the Lady Monarchs!

I've watched 3 ladies games on TV this year. Their lack of offense is a real problem and will catch up with them. So far stellar D has kept them afloat.
They remind me to much of the men's team on offense. Can't make a point blank layup. But yes, they do deserve more support.

(12-10-2023 05:39 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 09:40 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(12-09-2023 09:35 PM)cbank Wrote:  The way Jeff in the presser basically called his guys too stupid to run his schemes and shifted the blame totally off of himself is comical


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As with past teams, these are the players that he recruited. The buck stops at the top.

Agreed and his coaching is so fricken predicable. Scouting our team must be so easy.

JJ recruited every basketball player for the last 11years. Yes, due to finally changing assistant coaches, he signed 3 top recruits for next year. When the time comes, he will probably screw that up. With the NCAA nil or portal(which I think is wrong) it will be a hard time keeping an 4 star player at ODU after one year, including the one that is playing now.

A couple more 20 point crushings and Jeff may say screw this. That's my hope. You look at all the guys who left the game the last few years. Ellis. Wright. R Williams. K. All cited not much fun coaching this day and age. JJ must feel the same.

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Stumbled onto this from a former HS basketball player. It's for all those who want to get rid of JJ because he yells at guys. Take it for what it's worth: "Correction is not criticism.
I played for a great high school coach and I would constantly get asked how I handled him “yelling” at me. He wasn’t yelling at me. He was holding me to a higher expectation because he knew my goals. We live in a generation where if a coach yells at you, you take it personally and want to quit. Most of the time a coach is yelling at you because they see something in you that you don’t even see yet. To this day I am so grateful I was pushed and coached the way I was.
Be worried when your coach stops talking to you."

Yelling thing is one of the sillier non Rally topics on here.

I went to a middle school basketball game monday, that coach yelled at the player more than Jones ever has (and I know that coach). If you have played sports at any level above rec, you have likely had a coach that yells. Heck, Ive never played for someone that yelled at me like former ODU great, Wiley Lee

(12-14-2023 11:04 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yelling thing is one of the sillier non Rally topics on here.

I went to a middle school basketball game monday, that coach yelled at the player more than Jones ever has (and I know that coach). If you have played sports at any level above rec, you have likely had a coach that yells. Heck, Ive never played for someone that yelled at me like former ODU great, Wiley Lee

My sons had a middle school basketball coach that rarely raised his voice. As a coach, he was a teacher more than a demander. It was the first time I ever encountered that coaching style through all my years of playing and up to that time with my sons. I saw many coaches that both calmly taught and occasionally yelled. The worst coach I ever saw was my youngest son's Freshman basketball coach. This guy would call timeout after their own team scored in order to yell at a kid for not boxing out on the shot.

I think the style that should be used depends on the level of play, and depends on the individual player. One thing is for sure, you can't "group coach". One size does not fit all. It's the coach's responsibility to bring out the best in each player. But people are different and the coach has to figure out what style each kid responds best to.

I played HS Football (many years ago). Looking back, the coaches "yelling, etc." was useful, productive and quite amusing then and now... It's their "Love Language".

As someone who is lucky enough to attend practices from time to time, I’ll note that I don’t think I’ve ever seen him yell at one. He is teaching/coaching in practice.

The yelling part of JJ is definitely not why I want him out. I played a sport collegiately, and as much as people hate to admit it, tough coaching is part of the deal and makes you a lot better.

No one would have a thing to say about his "style" if we were winning. The problem has nothing to do with his interpersonal methods (although they may be a symptom). It has to do with our continual lack of results and the downward trend of the program.

If we were winning, yelling would be an afterthought.

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(12-14-2023 12:14 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  No one would have a thing to say about his "style" if we were winning. The problem has nothing to do with his interpersonal methods (although they may be a symptom). It has to do with our continual lack of results and the downward trend of the program.

If we were winning, yelling would be an afterthought.

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Actually, it was a topic when he was winning. Just like when Blaine was winning, there were a couple notable posters complaining that his offense was too boring.

(12-14-2023 11:34 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 11:04 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yelling thing is one of the sillier non Rally topics on here.

I went to a middle school basketball game monday, that coach yelled at the player more than Jones ever has (and I know that coach). If you have played sports at any level above rec, you have likely had a coach that yells. Heck, Ive never played for someone that yelled at me like former ODU great, Wiley Lee

My sons had a middle school basketball coach that rarely raised his voice. As a coach, he was a teacher more than a demander. It was the first time I ever encountered that coaching style through all my years of playing and up to that time with my sons. I saw many coaches that both calmly taught and occasionally yelled. The worst coach I ever saw was my youngest son's Freshman basketball coach. This guy would call timeout after their own team scored in order to yell at a kid for not boxing out on the shot.

I think the style that should be used depends on the level of play, and depends on the individual player. One thing is for sure, you can't "group coach". One size does not fit all. It's the coach's responsibility to bring out the best in each player. But people are different and the coach has to figure out what style each kid responds best to.

I don't really disagree with you. As a coach, I really don't yell at the players and never make it personal. I try to use instruction. There are players that I probably should yell at bc thats best for them, but its not really in my nature.

Sometimes the quiet ones are assumed to be over their head...or not doing enough coaching.

I will say the best coaches I've had were yellers. Having said that, I didn't agree with the coach I saw earlier this week bc he benched players for every mistake so it was constant shuffling. You don't box out 1 time and you are benched. The team won so I can't say he was in the wrong though.

(12-14-2023 12:20 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 12:14 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  No one would have a thing to say about his "style" if we were winning. The problem has nothing to do with his interpersonal methods (although they may be a symptom). It has to do with our continual lack of results and the downward trend of the program.

If we were winning, yelling would be an afterthought.

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Actually, it was a topic when he was winning. Just like when Blaine was winning, there were a couple notable posters complaining that his offense was too boring.

I mean sure...a couple of people will always have stuff to say.

But it wouldn't be nearly this loud.

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I don't care if our coach is a mime or a drill sergeant. Just win!

(12-14-2023 12:23 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 11:34 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 11:04 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Yelling thing is one of the sillier non Rally topics on here.

I went to a middle school basketball game monday, that coach yelled at the player more than Jones ever has (and I know that coach). If you have played sports at any level above rec, you have likely had a coach that yells. Heck, Ive never played for someone that yelled at me like former ODU great, Wiley Lee

My sons had a middle school basketball coach that rarely raised his voice. As a coach, he was a teacher more than a demander. It was the first time I ever encountered that coaching style through all my years of playing and up to that time with my sons. I saw many coaches that both calmly taught and occasionally yelled. The worst coach I ever saw was my youngest son's Freshman basketball coach. This guy would call timeout after their own team scored in order to yell at a kid for not boxing out on the shot.

I think the style that should be used depends on the level of play, and depends on the individual player. One thing is for sure, you can't "group coach". One size does not fit all. It's the coach's responsibility to bring out the best in each player. But people are different and the coach has to figure out what style each kid responds best to.

I don't really disagree with you. As a coach, I really don't yell at the players and never make it personal. I try to use instruction. There are players that I probably should yell at bc thats best for them, but its not really in my nature.

Sometimes the quiet ones are assumed to be over their head...or not doing enough coaching.

I will say the best coaches I've had were yellers. Having said that, I didn't agree with the coach I saw earlier this week bc he benched players for every mistake so it was constant shuffling. You don't box out 1 time and you are benched. The team won so I can't say he was in the wrong though.

It's funny you said that. Another parent must have thought the same thing when we were talking about the coach during one of the early games that season. I laughed and told him that was clearly not the case. The coach was a former assistant coach for a legendary ACC coach, was a former captain of a different ACC school during his playing days, was (at the time) an assistant D1 Athletic Director, and was a high school head coach in the past. The parent was stunned. That was a funny conversation.

The coach did it because he loved basketball. His wife taught at the school and his sons had attended the school previously. The first day of practice, he promised all the parents that he would break every player's habit of saying "like" in a sentence for no reason by the time the season ended. One of his pet peeves. He damn near did. I had to correct my sons several times after the season was over but it eventually went away.