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(03-17-2021 10:23 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  >Terry gets paid via the radio contract with UC.

Point taken, though Terry gets paid no matter who the coach is.

^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.
Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

If you don’t think a dime from someone at Linder Center could get one of our radio guys to send out a supportive tweet to reach out to fans...even if every word is 100% heartfelt, that was an ask. UC is stuck keeping Brannen.

Like I referenced, Dan Hoard is probably writing an article right now.

So glad you are privy to Dan Hoards thinking...I’d prefer to wait and see before I pass judgment

Please check back with me when the “these are tough times in a sports landscape that is changing but we are in good hands” article on gobearcats.com drops.
 
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(03-18-2021 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 08:47 AM)uchoops Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 08:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
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(03-18-2021 06:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  ^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.
Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

If you don’t think a dime from someone at Linder Center could get one of our radio guys to send out a supportive tweet to reach out to fans...even if every word is 100% heartfelt, that was an ask. UC is stuck keeping Brannen.

Like I referenced, Dan Hoard is probably writing an article right now.

So glad you are privy to Dan Hoards thinking...I’d prefer to wait and see before I pass judgment

Please check back with me when the “these are tough times in a sports landscape that is changing but we are in good hands” article on gobearcats.com drops.

If what you saying happens...ok...but I’d rather wait til all the cards are on the table before I pass judgment..rumors and here say have no place...
 
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(03-18-2021 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 08:47 AM)uchoops Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 08:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
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(03-18-2021 06:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  ^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.
Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

If you don’t think a dime from someone at Linder Center could get one of our radio guys to send out a supportive tweet to reach out to fans...even if every word is 100% heartfelt, that was an ask. UC is stuck keeping Brannen.

Like I referenced, Dan Hoard is probably writing an article right now.

So glad you are privy to Dan Hoards thinking...I’d prefer to wait and see before I pass judgment

Please check back with me when the “these are tough times in a sports landscape that is changing but we are in good hands” article on gobearcats.com drops.

Maybe they can do a youtube spot with the Allstate guy. His voice and smile are very reassuring.
 
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(03-18-2021 09:17 AM)uchoops Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 08:47 AM)uchoops Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 08:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 07:50 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

If you don’t think a dime from someone at Linder Center could get one of our radio guys to send out a supportive tweet to reach out to fans...even if every word is 100% heartfelt, that was an ask. UC is stuck keeping Brannen.

Like I referenced, Dan Hoard is probably writing an article right now.

So glad you are privy to Dan Hoards thinking...I’d prefer to wait and see before I pass judgment

Please check back with me when the “these are tough times in a sports landscape that is changing but we are in good hands” article on gobearcats.com drops.

If what you saying happens...ok...but I’d rather wait til all the cards are on the table before I pass judgment..rumors and here say have no place...

I don’t mean this critically...it’s just what it is.

Dan is one of the best in the business. We are blessed to have him. But what does he get paid to do and what is his role when he pens articles for gobearcats? Reporting? No. Op Ed? No.

It’s to drive human interest, affinity, and positive connection to a program. He’s incredible at that. My strong suspicion is the bat signal is now in the sky for an article by him in short order.
 
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Terry posted this on the BEARCAT COUNTRY Facebook page.

It links back to his actual Facebook page.

It’s legit.
 
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(03-18-2021 08:43 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 08:25 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  It does seem to me that a lot of our former players that didn't play for Brannen seem to be found of him much more than Cronin for whatever the reason.

I hammered CJB pretty hard yesterday and would have been pleased at that time if he was canned. I still will say the publicity we received was a horrible look for the program, university, and especially for our coach, but I'll let this one play out before making those type of comments again.

Don't be afraid to add a guy like James White into an assistant role if he is ready. I do think a former player would help tremendously in bringing back that Bearcat toughness that CJB talks often about as well as helping coach create deeper bonds with our team. Jeremiah Davenport and MAW already seem to be there regarding toughness. It was the youngins besides Saunders that seemed to need some work in that area.

I am definitely not rooting against coach and would love for him to be successful here! The ball is in your hands coach!

Didn’t James White pretty much give up on his team that was going into the NIT, writing off the rest of the season and skipping classes?

Or is that revisionist history? You want that guy to teach toughness, loyalty, and persistence?

He was young and possibly made a mistake. I dont know youd have to ask him.
 
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He quit going to class in January. He got caught. He got ruled ineligible. He also got failed by the grownups who were paid to keep tabs and help him along.
 
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(03-18-2021 09:48 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He quit going to class in January. He got caught. He got ruled ineligible. He also got failed by the grownups who were paid to keep tabs and help him along.

It was a little more nuanced IIRC. There was an NCAA rule change. In previous years, players who were not planning to get their degree, needed to get through fall quarter/semester and they would have been eligible through the season. Seniors would get that completed and then use their time focusing on BB and their next career step.

I personally think that our coaching and administration were in crisis mode and did not realize the impact of the rule change and caught it right before the tournament. Probably some NCAA communication and compliance requirements triggered it.

Not sure why anyone would question his loyalty or call him a quitter. I think he and the other players were the ones who suffered the most.

Has he gotten his degree? Seems like that would be key to whether he is a good candidate.
 
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(03-18-2021 11:36 AM)bearcat_df Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 09:48 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He quit going to class in January. He got caught. He got ruled ineligible. He also got failed by the grownups who were paid to keep tabs and help him along.

It was a little more nuanced IIRC. There was an NCAA rule change. In previous years, players who were not planning to get their degree, needed to get through fall quarter/semester and they would have been eligible through the season. Seniors would get that completed and then use their time focusing on BB and their next career step.

I personally think that our coaching and administration were in crisis mode and did not realize the impact of the rule change and caught it right before the tournament. Probably some NCAA communication and compliance requirements triggered it.

Not sure why anyone would question his loyalty or call him a quitter. I think he and the other players were the ones who suffered the most.

Has he gotten his degree? Seems like that would be key to whether he is a good candidate.

and zimpher couldn't shut the team down quick enough - i remember hearing, while driving to clifton for the game, that UC declared those guys ineligible, even though the new quarter didn't start until the next monday, and they could've played - i remember staying after the game, to hear AK's comments, until UC shut down the audio system and told everyone to leave - my point is that that cluster wasn't all on the players.
 
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It wasn’t nuanced. The staff knew the rules. They turned a blind eye to he and Muhammad just pulling out of the whole class thing.

They knew it would crater UC’s APR for the next staff and didn’t give a damn.
 
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(03-18-2021 09:27 AM)namrag Wrote:  Terry posted this on the BEARCAT COUNTRY Facebook page.

It links back to his actual Facebook page.

It’s legit.
Yeah, just look at what the other Cronin/Hugs players are saying. They all seem to think the kids are being soft, which I think is kinda funny in light of everything.

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I would suggest you check out James White on instagram. Flight8. He went live yesterday taking about the the UC program, his thoughts and stories. He talks about why he transferred from Florida to Cincinnati.
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(03-18-2021 11:52 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 09:27 AM)namrag Wrote:  Terry posted this on the BEARCAT COUNTRY Facebook page.

It links back to his actual Facebook page.

It’s legit.
Yeah, just look at what the other Cronin/Hugs players are saying. They all seem to think the kids are being soft, which I think is kinda funny in light of everything.

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I’ve heard from several Huggs guys over the years— Bob would drop f bombs and tell them they were bums to their face. Most of these guys came from a home with no man in the house. They were not used to be talked to that way by a male figure. Hearing the young guys complaints is laughable to them. It’s like what I do when my kids complain because they want a new gaming system every six months (when I didn’t even have my own bed until I was eight years old).
 
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(03-18-2021 07:50 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 06:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(03-17-2021 10:23 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  >Terry gets paid via the radio contract with UC.

Point taken, though Terry gets paid no matter who the coach is.

^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.
Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

Yep. Haven't heard a peep from Dan Hoard as far as I know. And that's not a criticism of Dan as I'm a big fan of his.

Point being it's fair to debate the points Terry makes (and I think he makes some very good ones), but attacks on his motives seems kinda slimey to me unless there's actual info supporting it.
 
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(03-18-2021 11:45 AM)dave108 Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 11:36 AM)bearcat_df Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 09:48 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  He quit going to class in January. He got caught. He got ruled ineligible. He also got failed by the grownups who were paid to keep tabs and help him along.

It was a little more nuanced IIRC. There was an NCAA rule change. In previous years, players who were not planning to get their degree, needed to get through fall quarter/semester and they would have been eligible through the season. Seniors would get that completed and then use their time focusing on BB and their next career step.

I personally think that our coaching and administration were in crisis mode and did not realize the impact of the rule change and caught it right before the tournament. Probably some NCAA communication and compliance requirements triggered it.

Not sure why anyone would question his loyalty or call him a quitter. I think he and the other players were the ones who suffered the most.

Has he gotten his degree? Seems like that would be key to whether he is a good candidate.

and zimpher couldn't shut the team down quick enough - i remember hearing, while driving to clifton for the game, that UC declared those guys ineligible, even though the new quarter didn't start until the next monday, and they could've played - i remember staying after the game, to hear AK's comments, until UC shut down the audio system and told everyone to leave - my point is that that cluster wasn't all on the players.
Microphone Thomas had the audio turned off. Kennedy's remarks were totally gentlemanly. I think Jihad Muhammed was also guilty and along with White.
 
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(03-18-2021 08:31 AM)natibeast21 Wrote:  
(03-18-2021 08:29 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  How’s about the former UC players that actually played for him?

Note taken and crossed my mind but I don't follow JC, Tre, etc. on Twitter myself. JC is a stubborn guy as well, but would love to know what other players on last years team think of current situation.

Who would one propose has earned such a position and why? I've linked the Erik Martin article a couple of times recently and he talks about coming to Huggs for a job having played close to a decade overseas professionally. Huggs told him he needed to make himself into a guy qualified to be an assistant coach. Martin said he hated Huggins at that point the same way he hated him early on during practices. Martin did and Huggs hired him a few years later. The rest is history still in the making.
 
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(03-18-2021 09:07 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
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(03-18-2021 08:03 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
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(03-18-2021 06:54 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  ^If Terry came out hard against the current UC program he might risk his job with 700wlw. A former player, now broadcaster, ripping UC might cause UC to push 700 to fire Terry. Might not but Terry had to be careful about what he says.
Or Terry could have said nothing at all. He chose to speak and put it in writing.

If you don’t think a dime from someone at Linder Center could get one of our radio guys to send out a supportive tweet to reach out to fans...even if every word is 100% heartfelt, that was an ask. UC is stuck keeping Brannen.

Like I referenced, Dan Hoard is probably writing an article right now.

So glad you are privy to Dan Hoards thinking...I’d prefer to wait and see before I pass judgment

Please check back with me when the “these are tough times in a sports landscape that is changing but we are in good hands” article on gobearcats.com drops.

What will that prove exactly? That a site operated by UC named GO Bearcats focuses on positive stories about UC? Guess what - I predict we'll continue to see posts calling for Brannen's job including many by fans unqualified to be a volunteer coach of 2nd graders. We mostly all understand the PR playbook.
 
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(03-17-2021 09:39 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Terry gets paid via the radio contract with UC.

Damage control is on.

i think Terry knows more of the team than we do. I pretty much said the same thing yesterday. When Kentucky and Duke didn't make it, what makes everyone think we could also overcome it? Hopefully, in the near future, transfers will have to sit out a year as it used to be. We might see some return due to not a lot of interest.
 
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(03-18-2021 07:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Terry ripped them during games all year for not being taught or learning to play D, begging Brannen to let him teach guys how to actually take a charge, saying we are not tough,

The comments from Nelson sounded canned in the midst of a tornado of awful PR.

The fact that nobody from UC has said a peep is troubling. Perhaps one of the seniors from Brannen’s 1st season will step up and say how great of a guy he is. We already know Cumberland thinks he is a doosh nozzle jerk

maybe the covid rules didnt allow private instruction given by former players and coaches?
Let CJB comment on that stuff when available.
 
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