(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

I guess I just look at things in a simple way. I love Tiger sports. It isn’t perfect and certainly not above criticism but I leave all the mess of agendas and politics and pettiness out.

It will hurt the person who leaves his Tiger fandom more than the Tiger program--just sayin


If that were not true, the people who are angry and not donating would just go away without telling everyone multiple times that they aren't going to contribute or be fans anymore.

Big donors will make up the diff. Fans, players, coaches and admin come and go.....Being a Tiger is forever....

(03-17-2021 12:21 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It will hurt the person who leaves his Tiger fandom more than the Tiger program--just sayin


If that were not true, the people who are angry and not donating would just go away without telling everyone multiple times that they aren't going to contribute or be fans anymore.

Big donors will make up the diff. Fans, players, coaches and admin come and go.....Being a Tiger is forever....

WHO'S aren't !!

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

(03-16-2021 04:42 PM)TGTiger Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 01:09 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  I'm giving the same amount this year as i did last year.

Welcome back!

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

The stickers weren't about the statement itself, but the political movement. Pretending the stickers isn't political is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand. Using the capitalized initials implies support for the organization, not just the statement in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Quote:Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.

[Citation Needed]

Everyone gets to think what it wants.

I'm adopting the 'It' pronoun. Its easier.

(03-17-2021 01:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

The stickers weren't about the statement itself, but the political movement. Pretending the stickers isn't political is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand. Using the capitalized initials implies support for the organization, not just the statement in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Quote:Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.

It boils down to perspective IMO.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...452397002/

Quote:Expressing support for the "Black Lives Matter" movement isn't political or partisan, an independent federal agency has said in an opinion addressing questions from federal employees on the topic.

(03-17-2021 01:39 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 01:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

The stickers weren't about the statement itself, but the political movement. Pretending the stickers isn't political is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand. Using the capitalized initials implies support for the organization, not just the statement in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Quote:Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.

It boils down to perspective IMO.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...452397002/

Quote:Expressing support for the "Black Lives Matter" movement isn't political or partisan, an independent federal agency has said in an opinion addressing questions from federal employees on the topic.

well, who can you trust if you cant trust the feds to tell you what is political or partisan.

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

I have known many people who have participated in marches and protests. The overwhelming majority of them are not political but have belief systems that lead them to address injustice. Nothing to do with the "official" BLM national office but it has everything to do with supporting our brothers and sisters of color in their plight.

I honestly do not see what the university has done as a political statement. They see young men and women who have become part of the Tiger family treated differently by some simply because of race. You don't have to agree with everything attached to the BLM letters. But if you can't be part of the fight against injustice you at least don't have to be part of the message by those who create the injustice.

I don't march. It's just not me. My good friends who live next door march. It's who they are. But if you know me you know where I stand and what I believe. It's almost funny that my two sons were raised in the same way. They have vastly different political beliefs but are of one mind when it comes to how people should be treated. You protect people who are mistreated. You help people who need help. You give because much has been given. You respect even when its not earned. You forgive because we all screw up and it is the way of our faith. Not easy but a good set of goals to promote peace.

(03-17-2021 01:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

The stickers weren't about the statement itself, but the political movement. Pretending the stickers isn't political is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand. Using the capitalized initials implies support for the organization, not just the statement in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Quote:Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.

Most people can quote you two lines from the BLM movement. There is a national organization but to most people it is simply a way to brand a problem in our society that needs to be addressed. Decentralized means it is not one thought, one action, one offense, one organization. It is a philosophical gathering place for those who see racial injustice. Too many time we focus on everything we can find that is wrong or questionable rather than the good that is being attempted.

Although I can't give you a percentage I would venture that much of the negativity associated to the BLM letters is attributed to violence perpetrated by people who have no alliance with the reason there are marches and protest. There are extremes in every movement. There are extremes in the republican and democrat parties. Get past the extremes who by definition are disruptors and look for common ground.

(03-17-2021 02:53 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

I have known many people who have participated in marches and protests. The overwhelming majority of them are not political but have belief systems that lead them to address injustice. Nothing to do with the "official" BLM national office but it has everything to do with supporting our brothers and sisters of color in their plight.

I honestly do not see what the university has done as a political statement. They see young men and women who have become part of the Tiger family treated differently by some simply because of race. You don't have to agree with everything attached to the BLM letters. But if you can't be part of the fight against injustice you at least don't have to be part of the message by those who create the injustice.

I don't march. It's just not me. My good friends who live next door march. It's who they are. But if you know me you know where I stand and what I believe. It's almost funny that my two sons were raised in the same way. They have vastly different political beliefs but are of one mind when it comes to how people should be treated. You protect people who are mistreated. You help people who need help. You give because much has been given. You respect even when its not earned. You forgive because we all screw up and it is the way of our faith. Not easy but a good set of goals to promote peace.

And I remember reading that Coach Silverfield had his/our Tiger players talk about their experiences.
He was blown away.

(03-17-2021 02:53 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

I have known many people who have participated in marches and protests. The overwhelming majority of them are not political but have belief systems that lead them to address injustice. Nothing to do with the "official" BLM national office but it has everything to do with supporting our brothers and sisters of color in their plight.

I honestly do not see what the university has done as a political statement. They see young men and women who have become part of the Tiger family treated differently by some simply because of race. You don't have to agree with everything attached to the BLM letters. But if you can't be part of the fight against injustice you at least don't have to be part of the message by those who create the injustice.

I don't march. It's just not me. My good friends who live next door march. It's who they are. But if you know me you know where I stand and what I believe. It's almost funny that my two sons were raised in the same way. They have vastly different political beliefs but are of one mind when it comes to how people should be treated. You protect people who are mistreated. You help people who need help. You give because much has been given. You respect even when its not earned. You forgive because we all screw up and it is the way of our faith. Not easy but a good set of goals to promote peace.

Well said brother. I agree 100%

(03-17-2021 02:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 01:39 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 01:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

The stickers weren't about the statement itself, but the political movement. Pretending the stickers isn't political is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand. Using the capitalized initials implies support for the organization, not just the statement in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Quote:Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.

It boils down to perspective IMO.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...452397002/

Quote:Expressing support for the "Black Lives Matter" movement isn't political or partisan, an independent federal agency has said in an opinion addressing questions from federal employees on the topic.

well, who can you trust if you cant trust the feds to tell you what is political or partisan.

^THIS^ LOL

(03-17-2021 02:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 01:39 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 01:10 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

The stickers weren't about the statement itself, but the political movement. Pretending the stickers isn't political is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand. Using the capitalized initials implies support for the organization, not just the statement in general.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

Quote:Black Lives Matter (BLM) is a decentralized political and social movement protesting against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people.

It boils down to perspective IMO.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...452397002/

Quote:Expressing support for the "Black Lives Matter" movement isn't political or partisan, an independent federal agency has said in an opinion addressing questions from federal employees on the topic.

well, who can you trust if you cant trust the feds to tell you what is political or partisan.

Yeah. It's one of who knows how many things on the list of why this is all about perspective.

Damn! Here we go again.

My donation stayed the same YOY and ticket purchase did too. I didn't attend any games. But you can bet your sweetazz i will in the fall.

Tiger donations are a-political. if you see a republican or a democrat in your tiger donation turn off MSNBC and FOX news immediately. You are the problem.

(03-17-2021 07:32 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-16-2021 05:50 PM)bluecrew Wrote:  I honestly think the University's using the athletic program for political reasons (whether you were for or against) is going to hurt for several seasons to come. It really has to do with habits as much as anything- if you lose a customer/donor, it takes a bit to get them back.

There is nothing political about the fact that black lives matter.

Sorry this is such a difficult concept to grasp, but the majority of Tigers athletics will be black men.

I agree, the statement is not political. Obviously black lives matter lol. It is the misguided agenda- all the proposed government actions that have been attached to that statement that are by their very nature political.

I'm sorry you are such a racist that it has clouded your entire worldview.

In any event, if donations are down they will be down almost everywhere else also so at the end of the day it should be a wash. Perhaps we will eventually return to a time when sports brought us together and were not used to divide.

I think there is no doubt that some people will refuse to donate due to the stickers. In today's world of polarization, it's bound to be true. And it was laughable that any "mysterious deep pockets" would double any donations that were lost because of this. To go with that logo was a poor choice that added to the polarization instead of bringing unity. This can sometimes happen when you turn over decision-making to idealistic & unwise 20 year olds. And from listening to the Coaches and Admin, it's a decision they wish they could take back. There were unlimited other choices that could not be politicized.

At the same time, the majority of donation shortfall is most certainly COVID related. Has nothing to do with the stickers. All universities are feeling it, so it seems to be a level playing field. But it could impact debt and operations greater at the schools who live day-to-day, and can't simply delay the next big $100M over-the-top project to "catch up".

I look at the stickers as ill-advised, but coming from a good place. It is definitely NOT a reason or excuse for me to stop providing support for my alma mater, and for programs that I care about and that increase my quality of life.