(03-10-2021 01:58 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:49 PM)TOP_SHOCKA Wrote:  Interesting to see that Morris Udeze wasn't included as an all conference selection. He's clearly on everyone's scouting report to double or triple as soon as he touches the ball.

9.7 ppg
63.2 FG%
4.3 rb
0.4 ast

DeAndre Williams didn't get in with these stats.

10.6 ppg
6.3 rb
3.5 ast
48% FG
45.5 3pt
He was a dog on defense too. People don't like his big mouth I guess.

And...he's versatile...plays the 5 spot at the end of tight games to keep Cisse and Dandridge and their horrendous FT shooting off the floor.

It's crazy he didn't make it. Penny says he is our best all-around player. All but 2 of our losses (5 of 7) came when he wasn't eligible.

(03-10-2021 02:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 01:58 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:49 PM)TOP_SHOCKA Wrote:  Interesting to see that Morris Udeze wasn't included as an all conference selection. He's clearly on everyone's scouting report to double or triple as soon as he touches the ball.

9.7 ppg
63.2 FG%
4.3 rb
0.4 ast

DeAndre Williams didn't get in with these stats.

10.6 ppg
6.3 rb
3.5 ast
48% FG
45.5 3pt
He was a dog on defense too. People don't like his big mouth I guess.

And...he's versatile...plays the 5 spot at the end of tight games to keep Cisse and Dandridge and their horrendous FT shooting off the floor.

It's crazy he didn't make it. Penny says he is our best all-around player. All but 2 of our losses (5 of 7) came when he wasn't eligible.

The two losses were the Houston game and a 2 point loss to SMU on the road. A real head scratcher he got no mention for anything.

(03-10-2021 01:37 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  Congratulations to @GoShockersMBB head coach Isaac Brown on being the unanimous Coach of the Year.

Happy to admit that my expectations for @GoShockersMBB and coach Isaac Brown for this season were way OFF.

(03-10-2021 01:58 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:49 PM)TOP_SHOCKA Wrote:  Interesting to see that Morris Udeze wasn't included as an all conference selection. He's clearly on everyone's scouting report to double or triple as soon as he touches the ball.

9.7 ppg
63.2 FG%
4.3 rb
0.4 ast

DeAndre Williams didn't get in with these stats.

10.6 ppg
6.3 rb
3.5 ast
48% FG
45.5 3pt
He was a dog on defense too. People don't like his big mouth I guess.

(03-10-2021 02:10 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 01:58 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:49 PM)TOP_SHOCKA Wrote:  Interesting to see that Morris Udeze wasn't included as an all conference selection. He's clearly on everyone's scouting report to double or triple as soon as he touches the ball.

9.7 ppg
63.2 FG%
4.3 rb
0.4 ast

DeAndre Williams didn't get in with these stats.

10.6 ppg
6.3 rb
3.5 ast
48% FG
45.5 3pt
He was a dog on defense too. People don't like his big mouth I guess.

And...he's versatile...plays the 5 spot at the end of tight games to keep Cisse and Dandridge and their horrendous FT shooting off the floor.

It's crazy he didn't make it. Penny says he is our best all-around player. All but 2 of our losses (5 of 7) came when he wasn't eligible.

The two losses were the Houston game and a 2 point loss to SMU on the road. A real head scratcher he got no mention for anything.

I agree with ya'll on that one. Love his energy/passion/spirit. Who decides these selections anyway? Are the coaches voting?

Deandre Williams is the biggest snub for me. Most impactful player on the 3rd place team.

wichita fans are imploding on the web because dexter dennis didnt win DPOY...

almost all their arguments are why dexter is good on defense.. not why dexter is better...

houston is top 5 national defense in the nation, with no notable rim protectors.. dejon

wichita isnt even top 100 defensively....the normal counter argument to that is that wichita doesnt have any major rim protector to keep the numbers low, that argument would work on anyone excpet dejon jarreau

(03-10-2021 02:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita fans are imploding on the web because dexter dennis didnt win DPOY...

almost all their arguments are why dexter is good on defense.. not why dejon is better...

houston is top 5 national defense in the nation, with no notable rim protectors.. dejon

wichita isnt even top 100 defensively....the normal counter argument to that is that wichita doesnt have any major rim protector to keep the numbers low, that argument would work on anyone excpet dejon jarreau

Houston is a better defensive team .. that's why Jarreau won.

I still 100% believe that Dexter is a better defender.

I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita fans are imploding on the web because dexter dennis didnt win DPOY...

almost all their arguments are why dexter is good on defense.. not why dejon is better...

houston is top 5 national defense in the nation, with no notable rim protectors.. dejon

wichita isnt even top 100 defensively....the normal counter argument to that is that wichita doesnt have any major rim protector to keep the numbers low, that argument would work on anyone excpet dejon jarreau

Houston is a better defensive team .. that's why Jarreau won.

I still 100% believe that Dexter is a better defender.

I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

Not saying Etienne wasn’t deserving. But come on. Grimes is about to be a unanimous all-American. Should have been his award, and his award only.

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita fans are imploding on the web because dexter dennis didnt win DPOY...

almost all their arguments are why dexter is good on defense.. not why dejon is better...

houston is top 5 national defense in the nation, with no notable rim protectors.. dejon

wichita isnt even top 100 defensively....the normal counter argument to that is that wichita doesnt have any major rim protector to keep the numbers low, that argument would work on anyone excpet dejon jarreau

Houston is a better defensive team .. that's why Jarreau won.

I still 100% believe that Dexter is a better defender.

I disagree .. i think dexter is elite but dejon is better
dejon's advanced metrics for points made on him are scary elite...in synergy, kenpom, miya all say dejon is better

again houston is a top 5 national defense, with no big taller than 6'8 and no notable shot blockers on roster..

look at your wichita win...houston was up huge and shutting you down till dejon got in foul trouble
you had a total of 16pts in 14minutes down 10 the 1st half, that is when dejon got his second foul.. with dejon out etienne comes alive ..you score 17 the last 6 minutes with him sitting.. sampson noted dejon getting in foul trouble was what flipped the game

(03-10-2021 02:34 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita fans are imploding on the web because dexter dennis didnt win DPOY...

almost all their arguments are why dexter is good on defense.. not why dejon is better...

houston is top 5 national defense in the nation, with no notable rim protectors.. dejon

wichita isnt even top 100 defensively....the normal counter argument to that is that wichita doesnt have any major rim protector to keep the numbers low, that argument would work on anyone excpet dejon jarreau

Houston is a better defensive team .. that's why Jarreau won.

I still 100% believe that Dexter is a better defender.

I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

Not saying Etienne wasn’t deserving. But come on. Grimes is about to be a unanimous all-American. Should have been his award, and his award only.

Half of the coaches disagree with you. I think they probably have a less biased viewpoint than either me or you

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

i get why he was voted co-poy .. in most aac years, the POY is just given to the best player on the top team.. sampson cant vote grimes ..im sure 3 or 4 coaches gave it to etienne for the conference title
the participation trophy remark is if we remove the context of the unbalance conference title...gave it to the best player on the best team..its grimes...if we gave it to the best performing player regardless of best team (that includes rebounds and defense) its grimes

we have 1 player even in consideration for all American, 1 player who even made the top 25 cut for player o the year (not even counting the top 10 cut)..outside looking in, its a very easy choice

i get why Etienne got votes.. it just feel participation trophy-ish..there is a clear favorite just give it to one.. i feel the same way about all conference teams with more than 5 players

(03-10-2021 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

i get why he was voted co-poy .. in most aac years, the POY is just given to the best player on the top team.. sampson cant vote grimes ..im sure 3 or 4 coaches gave it to etienne for the conference title
the participation trophy remark is if we remove the context of the unbalance conference title...gave it to the best player on the best team..its grimes...if we gave it to the best performing player regardless of best team (that includes rebounds and defense) its grimes

we have 1 player even in consideration for all American, 1 player who even made the top 25 cut for player o the year (not even counting the top 10 cut)..outside looking in, its a very easy choice

i get why Etienne got votes.. it just feel participation trophy-ish..there is a clear favorite just give it to one.. i feel the same way about all conference teams with more than 5 players

Just for the sake of arguing:

1st meeting:
TE 25pts (7/20)
QG 22pts (6/17)

2nd meeting:
TE 16pts (5/14)
QG 13pts (5/12)

(03-10-2021 03:05 PM)TOP_SHOCKA Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

i get why he was voted co-poy .. in most aac years, the POY is just given to the best player on the top team.. sampson cant vote grimes ..im sure 3 or 4 coaches gave it to etienne for the conference title
the participation trophy remark is if we remove the context of the unbalance conference title...gave it to the best player on the best team..its grimes...if we gave it to the best performing player regardless of best team (that includes rebounds and defense) its grimes

we have 1 player even in consideration for all American, 1 player who even made the top 25 cut for player o the year (not even counting the top 10 cut)..outside looking in, its a very easy choice

i get why Etienne got votes.. it just feel participation trophy-ish..there is a clear favorite just give it to one.. i feel the same way about all conference teams with more than 5 players

Just for the sake of arguing:

1st meeting:
TE 25pts (7/20)
QG 22pts (6/17)

2nd meeting:
TE 16pts (5/14)
QG 13pts (5/12)

Come on! They already told you! Only the best players from the best team are allowed awards! Get with it!!!!! Smh

(03-10-2021 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

i get why he was voted co-poy .. in most aac years, the POY is just given to the best player on the top team.. sampson cant vote grimes ..im sure 3 or 4 coaches gave it to etienne for the conference title
the participation trophy remark is if we remove the context of the unbalance conference title...gave it to the best player on the best team..its grimes...if we gave it to the best performing player regardless of best team (that includes rebounds and defense) its grimes

we have 1 player even in consideration for all American, 1 player who even made the top 25 cut for player o the year (not even counting the top 10 cut)..outside looking in, its a very easy choice

i get why Etienne got votes.. it just feel participation trophy-ish..there is a clear favorite just give it to one.. i feel the same way about all conference teams with more than 5 players

lol ... Homer take. Sorry, no the coaches didn't hand out a participation trophy because you have a homer bias. They voted that way because half the coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes. Sorry but no amount of spin can change that fact.

(03-10-2021 03:14 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

i get why he was voted co-poy .. in most aac years, the POY is just given to the best player on the top team.. sampson cant vote grimes ..im sure 3 or 4 coaches gave it to etienne for the conference title
the participation trophy remark is if we remove the context of the unbalance conference title...gave it to the best player on the best team..its grimes...if we gave it to the best performing player regardless of best team (that includes rebounds and defense) its grimes

we have 1 player even in consideration for all American, 1 player who even made the top 25 cut for player o the year (not even counting the top 10 cut)..outside looking in, its a very easy choice

i get why Etienne got votes.. it just feel participation trophy-ish..there is a clear favorite just give it to one.. i feel the same way about all conference teams with more than 5 players

lol ... Homer take. Sorry, not the coaches didn't hand out a participation trophy because you have a homer bias. They handed it out because half the coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes. Sorry but no amount of spin can change that fact.

But...but....he is an All-American and will be a lottery pick. No way Etienne can even come close!!!!

(03-10-2021 03:05 PM)TOP_SHOCKA Wrote:  Just for the sake of arguing:

1st meeting:
TE 25pts (7/20)- 35%
QG 22pts (6/17)- 35.2%

2nd meeting:
TE 16pts (5/14) -35%
QG 13pts (5/12) - 41%

im not sure what single game performances has to do with anything ..and if you were going to post a stat like this... why not just post the points to try and skew the data ..why show that grimes shot at a better percentage??
im not sure how this helps or hurts anyone...im confused

(03-10-2021 03:14 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  lol ... Homer take. Sorry, no the coaches didn't hand out a participation trophy because you have a homer bias. They voted that way because half the coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes. Sorry but no amount of spin can change that fact.

the coaches openly say the dont vote the awards on better player
ive heard atleast 5 aac coaches say "to the winner goes the spoils"... this is why gardner wasnt even a unanimous 1st team this year ..when everyone would say he is a top 5 player in the league

you are the one spinning and adding your own meaning... you do this alot ..you spin things and then claim people are the one spinning things
youll post only selected data, and try to call out people for posting "selected data", who arent even doing that ...

(03-10-2021 03:24 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 03:14 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  lol ... Homer take. Sorry, no the coaches didn't hand out a participation trophy because you have a homer bias. They voted that way because half the coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes. Sorry but no amount of spin can change that fact.

the coaches openly say the dont vote the awards on better player
ive heard atleast 5 aac coaches say "to the winner goes the spoils"... this is why gardner wasnt even a unanimous 1st team this year ..when everyone would say he is a top 5 player in the league

you are the one spinning and adding your own meaning... you do this alot ..you spin things and then claim people are the one spinning things
youll post only selected data, and try to call out people for posting "selected data", who arent even doing that ...

But that doesn't make since. We didn't win anything according to most Houston and Memphis fans.

(03-10-2021 02:44 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:34 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita fans are imploding on the web because dexter dennis didnt win DPOY...

almost all their arguments are why dexter is good on defense.. not why dejon is better...

houston is top 5 national defense in the nation, with no notable rim protectors.. dejon

wichita isnt even top 100 defensively....the normal counter argument to that is that wichita doesnt have any major rim protector to keep the numbers low, that argument would work on anyone excpet dejon jarreau

Houston is a better defensive team .. that's why Jarreau won.

I still 100% believe that Dexter is a better defender.

I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

Not saying Etienne wasn’t deserving. But come on. Grimes is about to be a unanimous all-American. Should have been his award, and his award only.

Half of the coaches disagree with you. I think they probably have a less biased viewpoint than either me or you

I’m still salty that if we were going with a Co-POY route then why didn’t Corey Davis at least get a split when he literally ran Jarron Cumberland off of his own home court to win the conference title? I’m definitely biased. Haha

(03-10-2021 03:27 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:44 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:34 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:29 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 02:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  wichita fans are imploding on the web because dexter dennis didnt win DPOY...

almost all their arguments are why dexter is good on defense.. not why dejon is better...

houston is top 5 national defense in the nation, with no notable rim protectors.. dejon

wichita isnt even top 100 defensively....the normal counter argument to that is that wichita doesnt have any major rim protector to keep the numbers low, that argument would work on anyone excpet dejon jarreau

Houston is a better defensive team .. that's why Jarreau won.

I still 100% believe that Dexter is a better defender.

I also see Houston fans calling giving "Co-Player of the year awards" a participation trophy. No... the same number of coaches though Etienne was better than Grimes (and vice versa)

Not saying Etienne wasn’t deserving. But come on. Grimes is about to be a unanimous all-American. Should have been his award, and his award only.

Half of the coaches disagree with you. I think they probably have a less biased viewpoint than either me or you

I’m still salty that if we were going with a Co-POY route then why didn’t Corey Davis at least get a split when he literally ran Jarron Cumberland off of his own home court to win the conference title? I’m definitely biased. Haha

You do realize why there is Co-POY right? Each coach gets 1 vote and can't vote for their own player. They vote and if two players receive the same number of votes, its co-POY. It's not some conspiracy or participation trophy.

Let's be honest, if the full slate of games had been played Houston would have won the conference championship and Grimes would be the POY on his own. Maybe Davis would have had a bigger say regarding POY.