(04-08-2021 12:14 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote: Dude is going to Walk.
In order for him to walk, the defense need only to create reasonable doubt.
If that happens however cities will burn everywhere.
It won't happen because every juror knows that likely outcome. Chauvin will be found guilty of something and serve some time as the sacrificial_____.
Guilty of something wont even be enough
There will be riots
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Anything short of a death sentence and immediate public square hanging won’t be enough. Hell, with these unhinged lunatics I doubt that would sate their blood lust.
The Drumpf apparently broke them that much. Amazing.
Quote:Left-wing Hollywood star George Clooney has been in contact with Benjamin Crump, George Floyd’s family lawyer, during the murder trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin. Crump says Clooney has offered advice and reportedly suggested that Chauvin should volunteer to “get down on the floor in that courtroom, and let somebody come and put their knee on his neck.”
Crump, who has been known to take up controversial high-profile cases, appeared on The View this week and revealed his contact with the Midnight Sky director, producer, and star, George Clooney, who Crump said seeks to drive social change and is “very engaged in these social justice matters.”
Clooney, Crump said, emailed him specifically on how he should respond to the argument presented by Chauvin’s defense lawyers, who pointed to the possibility of a drug overdose leading to Floyd’s death rather than Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck.
“He emails me from time to time. He talks about — he has children and he wants them to live in a better world. He said they keep talking about the assassination of character of George Floyd, there’s trace amounts of drugs and oh that’s the cause of death not what Derek Chauvin did,” Crump said before relaying what Clooney reportedly told him to say.
“He says, ‘Attorney Crump, you should tell them if Derek Chauvin feels so confident in that, he should volunteer during his case, to get down on the floor in that courtroom, and let somebody come and put their knee on his neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds and be able to see if he can survive,'” Crump said.
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“And I believe in my heart, Joy Behar, that he will be held criminally liable and it will hopefully set a new precedent in America,” Crump added.
Clooney has continued to remain involved in pushing left-wing causes over the years, gushing over Biden last December — describing him as a “very smart, wise man”– and urging Americans to “put a ******* mask on.”
Following the January Capitol protest and riots, Clooney concluded the event sealed former President Trump and his family fate, relegating them “into the dustbin of history.”
“That name will now forever be associated with insurrection,” he added.
So the ME said no sign the knee caused any damage to the back or inside...
1. no deep tissue bruising
2. no bruising
I'm no doctor but to me it makes it very difficult to say the pressure from the knee on the back is the cause of death or should I say caused the heart attack and that caused death.
If going by the law I dont see how you connect the dots. Just like DMX, Floyd, OD'ed and had a heart attach and that killed. Just as my brother in law 7 months ago. We were told by people at there, he fell to the ground, complaining with breathing problems and by the time he reached the hospital...brain damaged so bad, he died from it.
Most likely the drugs in Floyd's system caused him to panic and stressing and was having heart problems as he was being put into the police car. Because of the way he was acting he did not know it and neither did the cops.
Anyone see how long after going to the ground did the police call for medical help? To me that would be the only thing the DA has to connect Chauvin to any of the charges....
being a complete assshole is not enough
(This post was last modified: 04-09-2021 03:16 PM by WKUYG.)
It was also pretty apparent to one of the Cops (don't know if it was Chauvin or not) that he was likely on something, they asked him exactly that "are you on something?", cause he was foaming at the mouth and acting so erratically. He responds I was hoopin'.
Unless that's slang for something I'm not aware of, he was claiming he was playing Bball earlier. Now, I don't know about anyone else, but I've played a fair amount of ball, and watched a TON. Never seen anyone foaming at the mouth from Bball.
His GF admits they both struggled with drug addiction, he OD'd at least once before, somewhat recently, their drug dealer pleads the fifth for fear of confessing to a murder (or whatever charge that would be).
I don't know what you get Chauvin on, maybe reckless disregard or something? The other Cops charged? I think they gotta walk.
Then run, really fast, at least 3-4 states away and take a quiet job as a security guard at a private airport or something. Change your haircuts and use an alias on your cable bill and rental agreement.
(04-09-2021 03:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote: So the ME said no sign the knee caused any damage to the back or inside...
1. no deep tissue bruising
2. no bruising
I'm no doctor but to me it makes it very difficult to say the pressure from the knee on the back is the cause of death or should I say caused the heart attack and that caused death.
If going by the law I dont see how you connect the dots. Just like DMX, Floyd, OD'ed and had a heart attach and that killed. Just as my brother in law 7 months ago. We were told by people at there, he fell to the ground, complaining with breathing problems and by the time he reached the hospital...brain damaged so bad, he died from it.
Most likely the drugs in Floyd's system caused him to panic and stressing and was having heart problems as he was being put into the police car. Because of the way he was acting he did not know it and neither did the cops.
Anyone see how long after going to the ground did the police call for medical help? To me that would be the only thing the DA has to connect Chauvin to any of the charges....
You INTENTIONALLY jump out and scare an elderly person... and they have a heart issue and die...
Do you bear NO legal responsibility for that??
Its certainly not murder, but then again, the police putting somebody in custody... seemingly fully aware that they are compromised... bear an even greater responsibility than the average Joe.... and he violated protocol.
I have no idea what the charge is... and 'the left' won't be happy because he won't be convicted of intentional, racially motivated murder.... but he SHOULD not 'walk'. If the prosecution over-charged, and didn't give themselves a back-up... it is THEY who should be targeted for protest... once again.
SMART people on the left (and there are a few) need to step up and control their reactionary wings. They are doing as much damage to 'the cause' as the modern day Klan.
An excuse given by lots of people for not wearing masks is that it makes it difficult for them to breathe... and its even a medical exception if you have underlying issues like COPD.... but you'd never see any evidence of bruising or internal damage caused by the masks in those events either...
If I were the prosecution, I would have hammered the ME on that... and he would have agreed.
The cops actions likely contributed to the death... they did not directly cause it... it wouldn't have been an expected outcome, but it also wasn't entirely random.
Whatever THAT is, THAT should be the charge... but the left wouldn't accept that.
I think the right needs to accept that... a) because its true and b) because it would go a long way towards some common ground... and cut off the extremists at the knees.
(This post was last modified: 04-09-2021 04:44 PM by Hambone10.)
So. What I am hearing is if the MEs were brought in to give a CofD is Floyd were found on the ground dead. It would have been due to a MI due mainly to the fact that there was no evidence a knee was on his back. If that is the case the cop put just enough pressure to keep in on the ground and out of the middle of the road due to being out of control. Looks like the reason he put his hands in his pocket was to show he wasn't putting any pressure on the guy. Oh, and hoopin means he put drugs up his ass. Gets in your system quicker. Also he might have eaten whatever drugs he had on him so he wouldn't get caught with drugs. If that was Fentanyl he killed himself. Therefore the foaming at the mouth.
(04-09-2021 04:12 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: SO let me ask....
You INTENTIONALLY jump out and scare an elderly person... and they have a heart issue and die...
Do you bear NO legal responsibility for that??
Its certainly not murder, but then again, the police putting somebody in custody... seemingly fully aware that they are compromised... bear an even greater responsibility than the average Joe.... and he violated protocol.
I have no idea what the charge is... and 'the left' won't be happy because he won't be convicted of intentional, racially motivated murder.... but he SHOULD not 'walk'. If the prosecution over-charged, and didn't give themselves a back-up... it is THEY who should be targeted for protest... once again.
SMART people on the left (and there are a few) need to step up and control their reactionary wings. They are doing as much damage to 'the cause' as the modern day Klan.
Of course you know nothing close to that is what happened in this case? You are in the medical field and while it might be pushing paper....
I'm fairly sure you understand it takes a lot of pressure being put on someone to cause them to have a heart attack? What would you guess the number would be to NOT have any bruising from that pressure? No one other than the cop knows how much pressure he was using. But common sense would tell a person using that much force, there should be bruising.
Unlike someone scaring a old lady to death. Cops have the right to restraint a person...with force. The lack of injury to the back is a good sign the knee was used to control and not punish Floyd.
I dont see how any person not using emotion and only using common sense and the law (which isnt always the same) can say putting and keeping the knee where a cop was trained to put it and no sign of injury from that knee....
can jump to conviction on any of the charges on Chauvin causing this death. On the other hand. Thousands of people die from a heart attack each year...from drugs. Like I said, my brother in law did just that 7 months ago. DMX this week and most likely 10 to 30 in the same city Floyd died in since his death.
REASONABLE DOUBT and in a court of law thats all you need
(04-09-2021 04:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: An excuse given by lots of people for not wearing masks is that it makes it difficult for them to breathe... and its even a medical exception if you have underlying issues like COPD.... but you'd never see any evidence of bruising or internal damage caused by the masks in those events either...
If I were the prosecution, I would have hammered the ME on that... and he would have agreed.
The cops actions likely contributed to the death... they did not directly cause it... it wouldn't have been an expected outcome, but it also wasn't entirely random.
Whatever THAT is, THAT should be the charge... but the left wouldn't accept that.
I think the right needs to accept that... a) because its true and b) because it would go a long way towards some common ground... and cut off the extremists at the knees.
The right or left is not the one with their freedom on the line. The law should be the same for ALL. Not just to please a group of people.
I cant believe you are trying to compare a mask not bruising to a knee of a grown man stuck in the back and enough force to cause a heart attack. BUT IF you want to go there open up that door and I would drive a semi through it. A little mask can cause bruising but the knee of a grown man pressing down with enough force to cause a person's death....no bruising
Quote:As nurses worldwide feel the pain of prolonged PPE use, we assess the advice on minimising the discomfort caused by masks and visors
Nurses have reported skin damage and bruises after wearing personal protective equipment during long shifts
PPE needs to be properly fitted and ideally worn for shorter periods of time, but when this is not possible, there are other ways nurses can reduce the risk of damage
Experts offer advice on avoiding skin damage, emphasising a ‘clean, protect and restore’ approach
This article was updated on 12 January 2021
(This post was last modified: 04-09-2021 05:18 PM by WKUYG.)
(04-09-2021 04:45 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: So. What I am hearing is if the MEs were brought in to give a CofD is Floyd were found on the ground dead. It would have been due to a MI due mainly to the fact that there was no evidence a knee was on his back. If that is the case the cop put just enough pressure to keep in on the ground and out of the middle of the road due to being out of control. Looks like the reason he put his hands in his pocket was to show he wasn't putting any pressure on the guy. Oh, and hoopin means he put drugs up his ass. Gets in your system quicker. Also he might have eaten whatever drugs he had on him so he wouldn't get caught with drugs. If that was Fentanyl he killed himself. Therefore the foaming at the mouth.
Well, there ya go. Hooping’, learn something new everyday, for better or worse...
At 6’6” I figured playing some pickup wasn’t out of the question to use that as an excuse. My understanding from somewhere (or speculation) is that he had ingested the drugs when he knew the cops were coming to try and dispose of the evidence.
I wonder if the ME has been asked that question: can you tell how the drugs got into his system? Stomach contents etc or other *Ahem* indicators.
(04-09-2021 04:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: An excuse given by lots of people for not wearing masks is that it makes it difficult for them to breathe... and its even a medical exception if you have underlying issues like COPD.... but you'd never see any evidence of bruising or internal damage caused by the masks in those events either...
If I were the prosecution, I would have hammered the ME on that... and he would have agreed.
The cops actions likely contributed to the death... they did not directly cause it... it wouldn't have been an expected outcome, but it also wasn't entirely random.
Whatever THAT is, THAT should be the charge... but the left wouldn't accept that.
I think the right needs to accept that... a) because its true and b) because it would go a long way towards some common ground... and cut off the extremists at the knees.
(04-09-2021 03:18 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: I thought they called for ambulance when he wouldn't get in the car. I think that's when they recognized, 'we need backup here.'
And Chauvin called back trying to get them to put a rush on it (from previous reports-not necessarily from the trial).
(04-09-2021 04:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: An excuse given by lots of people for not wearing masks is that it makes it difficult for them to breathe... and its even a medical exception if you have underlying issues like COPD.... but you'd never see any evidence of bruising or internal damage caused by the masks in those events either...
If I were the prosecution, I would have hammered the ME on that... and he would have agreed.
The cops actions likely contributed to the death... they did not directly cause it... it wouldn't have been an expected outcome, but it also wasn't entirely random.
Whatever THAT is, THAT should be the charge... but the left wouldn't accept that.
I think the right needs to accept that... a) because its true and b) because it would go a long way towards some common ground... and cut off the extremists at the knees.
Are we looking for Right v Left? Or right v wrong?
Do we wrongfully (perhaps) convict a person to appease said “extremists? Even if the evidence says no?
OTOH, do we let other extremists go free to appease the extremists on the other “side”? Even if the evidence says yes?
It’s not picking a side, God help us, it’s hoping that the scales of justice remain blind.
If Chauvin and the others ARE guilty of a crime, convict them. You gotta prove that first.
If it is not proven, they are either innocent or found not guilty. Then they walk as free persons, and as such should be unencumbered.
And no properties should suffer for that. The system has worked.
(04-09-2021 04:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: Whatever THAT is, THAT should be the charge...
Probably manslaughter at the worst, assault and battery at the least.
Quote:but the left wouldn't accept that.
I think the right needs to accept that... a) because its true and b) because it would go a long way towards some common ground... and cut off the extremists at the knees.
The Right needs to accept that, but the Left wouldn't. Doesn't that express the problem in a nutshell?
(This post was last modified: 04-10-2021 07:12 AM by Owl 69/70/75.)
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