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RE: Derek Chauvin Trial
Quote:The prosecution in the trial of former Minneapolis Police Department (MPD) officer Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd has begun referring to the victim’s “neck area” rather than his “neck” after the defense pointed out that Chauvin’s knee was not on his neck throughout the entire encounter, as the media previously reported.

Earlier this week, Chauvin’s defense attorney, Eric Nelson, citing “camera perspective bias,” elicited testimony from Minneapolis Police Chief Medaria Arradondo on cross-examination in which Arradondo agreed that Chauvin had placed his knee on Floyd’s “shoulder blade” at one point.

As Legal Insurrection analyst Andrew Branca noted on Wednesday, the prosecution has begun referring to Floyd’s “neck area” as a result:

Nelson began displaying images of the knee placement from different angles showing that Chauvin’s knee appeared to be on Floyd’s shoulders and back, rather than on Floyd’s neck. Indeed, Lt. [Johnny]Mercil, the state’s expert on MPD use-of-force training and policy explicitly agreed on cross-examination that this appeared to be the case.

So what’s the state to do when a key facet of their narrative of criminal conduct is contradicted by their own expert? Move the goals posts, of course.

Today, however, Prosecutor Schleiter and his state-paid use of force expert Stiger began to avoid the claim that Chauvin’s knee was on Floyd’s neck, and instead started referring to Chauvin’s knee being on Floyd’s “neck area.”

What’s the “neck area”? Well, the shoulders and upper back!

Other elements of the prosecution’s case have been thrown into doubt on cross-examination, as Breitbart News noted Wednesday.

Yet the media continue to report the trial as if the prosecution had made an irrefutable case. The Associated Press, for example, published its analysis under the headline: “Expert: Chauvin never took knee off Floyd’s neck area.”

Critics fear that the media’s one-sided coverage of the trial could shape public expectations in a way that would encourage outrage in the event that Chauvin is not convicted.

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Has anyone ever seen the entire video?

I have. It's hard to watch but it's pretty clear that the cop's restraint causes him to expire.

How anyone could argue otherwise is ridiculous.
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(04-08-2021 12:01 PM)Danforth Wrote:  Has anyone ever seen the entire video?

I have. It's hard to watch but it's pretty clear that the cop's restraint causes him to expire.

How anyone could argue otherwise is ridiculous.

The ME would disagree.
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(04-08-2021 12:03 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:01 PM)Danforth Wrote:  Has anyone ever seen the entire video?

I have. It's hard to watch but it's pretty clear that the cop's restraint causes him to expire.

How anyone could argue otherwise is ridiculous.

The ME would disagree.

Let's see how the trial goes. Ultimately, the jurors will have the final say.
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Dude is going to Walk. 03-yawn
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(04-08-2021 12:14 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Dude is going to Walk. 03-yawn

In order for him to walk, the defense need only to create reasonable doubt.


If that happens however cities will burn everywhere.
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(04-08-2021 12:17 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:14 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Dude is going to Walk. 03-yawn

In order for him to walk, the defense need only to create reasonable doubt.


If that happens however cities will burn everywhere.

I bet my city doesn't burn. Down here we have something called Common Sense and most of us have it. 04-cheers
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(04-08-2021 12:17 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:14 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Dude is going to Walk. 03-yawn

In order for him to walk, the defense need only to create reasonable doubt.


If that happens however cities will burn everywhere.
burn it down blue and go fk ewe're self in flames...
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(04-08-2021 12:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:17 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:14 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Dude is going to Walk. 03-yawn

In order for him to walk, the defense need only to create reasonable doubt.


If that happens however cities will burn everywhere.
burn it down blue and go fk ewe're self in flames...

Yep, good, burn them all down.
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(04-08-2021 12:01 PM)Danforth Wrote:  Has anyone ever seen the entire video?

I have. It's hard to watch but it's pretty clear that the cop's restraint causes him to expire.

How anyone could argue otherwise is ridiculous.

They say that a cop camera shows the knee is actually in between his shoulder blades and not on his neck.

I don't think those pictures have been released.

Also the dope dealer is pleading the 5th because he could be charged with causing the death.

Should be interesting to see happens.
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During the trial of former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin, a witness called by the prosecution told the court that numerous photos shown of the arrest and detainment of George Floyd show Chauvin’s knee and leg on Floyd’s back and between shoulder blades, as opposed to his neck.

Lt. Johnny Mercil, who was in charge of use-of-force training at the time of Floyd’s arrest, confirmed to defense attorney Eric Nelson this week that Chauvin, at least in portions of the arrest shown, was detaining Floyd by using what’s called a “prone hold,” which is permitted.
Attorney Andrew Branca for Law of Self Defense, writing at Legal Insurrection, reported on Nelson’s questioning of Mercil with regard to Chauvin’s knee and leg placement (note: summarized and not exact transcript):

It was at this point that Nelson showed Mercil a series of photographs captured from the body worn camera of Officer Lane, and showing Chauvin’s knee on Floyd from the angle down Floyd’s proned body.

Photo 1: (Nelson:) Where’s Chauvin’s leg in this image? On Floyd’s neck? Or on his shoulder blades and back. Mercil: Shoulder blades and back(Nelson:) And in photo 2? (Mercil) Same. (Nelson) Photo 3? (Mercil) Same. (Nelson) Photo 4? (Mercil) Same.

“This, of course, fundamentally undercuts the prosecution’s narrative of guilt that it was Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck that killed Floyd,” argued Branca.

The lawyer noted that Mercil also acknowledged that there are “circumstances like those already discussed where [it] would be appropriate to maintain presence of leg across shoulder blades and back in order to ensure control of the suspect” — even for as long as ten minutes.

“In other words, the use of the restraint can be justified not only to compel compliance of the suspect in the first place, but to ensure that the suspect maintains compliance moving forward—especially given the experience and concern that unconscious suspects can revive and be even more violent than they were prior, even if that restraint is being held in place for as long as 10 minutes,” Branca said. “And that’s not just for the safety of the officer, but also for the officer’s partners, for bystanders, and even for the suspect himself.”

Ben Shapiro, editor emeritus of The Daily Wire, recapped some of Mercil’s testimony, which he argued was damning to the prosecution“The use-of-force officer admitted that Chauvin’s procedure (use of body weight and pressure) was a LESSER use of force than adopted in the past, that it wasn’t a chokehold, that use of force standards change based on drug use or physical stature of a suspect, that he had personally restrained suspects until EMS arrived, that some suspects quickly regain consciousness and thus sometimes suppression is necessary despite appearances.”
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I've seen the pictures in question. They show his knee on his back.
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(04-08-2021 02:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I've seen the pictures in question. They show his knee on his back.

I'm sure there are pictures out there that show him with his knee on his back. There are also pictures of him before they put him on the floor. None of that however takes away from the fact that he was restrained even after he became unresponsive and stopped breathing.
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(04-08-2021 02:36 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 02:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I've seen the pictures in question. They show his knee on his back.

I'm sure there are pictures out there that show him with his knee on his back. There are also pictures of him before they put him on the floor. None of that however takes away from the fact that he was restrained even after he became unresponsive and stopped breathing.

Which looks bad, but may be completely irrelevant.
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(04-08-2021 06:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 02:36 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 02:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I've seen the pictures in question. They show his knee on his back.

I'm sure there are pictures out there that show him with his knee on his back. There are also pictures of him before they put him on the floor. None of that however takes away from the fact that he was restrained even after he became unresponsive and stopped breathing.

Which looks bad, but may be completely irrelevant.

Yup. While I’m still of the opinion the cop was an idiot/POS and went too far, the further this goes on and the more that comes out, I’m not even sure he should be convicted of manslaughter if that was one of the charges he was on trial for.

Where’s the guy pleading the 5th at?
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(04-08-2021 12:01 PM)Danforth Wrote:  Has anyone ever seen the entire video?

I have. It's hard to watch but it's pretty clear that the cop's restraint causes him to expire.

How anyone could argue otherwise is ridiculous.

I don’t think you can definitely come that conclusion. Could it be a contributing factor? Sure...possibly. But, to assume that was definitely the cause of death is an over reach.
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(04-08-2021 12:17 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:14 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Dude is going to Walk. 03-yawn

In order for him to walk, the defense need only to create reasonable doubt.


If that happens however cities will burn everywhere.

It won't happen because every juror knows that likely outcome. Chauvin will be found guilty of something and serve some time as the sacrificial_____.
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(04-08-2021 07:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:17 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:14 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Dude is going to Walk. 03-yawn

In order for him to walk, the defense need only to create reasonable doubt.


If that happens however cities will burn everywhere.

It won't happen because every juror knows that likely outcome. Chauvin will be found guilty of something and serve some time as the sacrificial_____.
Guilty of something wont even be enough

There will be riots

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(04-08-2021 12:17 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(04-08-2021 12:14 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  Dude is going to Walk. 03-yawn

In order for him to walk, the defense need only to create reasonable doubt.


If that happens however cities will burn everywhere.

Let’s see how well riots and burning down cities will go over in Texas. Btw, Texas is a Gun Sanctuary State.
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I don’t live in a city so burn them down and good riddance.
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