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i know the prevailing wisdom is that football drives the boat but i think basketball is our best hope at getting out of CUSA.

We need both to be successful to get to the AAC.

(03-06-2021 10:07 PM)jcduncan13 Wrote:  We need both to be successful to get to the AAC.

I believe that if the success doesn’t result in a lot more donors and higher attendance at both, CUSA will remain our home.

Basketballs ceiling is much higher, footballs ceiling is limited by the way division one football is currently formatted. Both are equally important in our success but basketball has a greater chance of national relevance.

(03-06-2021 10:19 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:07 PM)jcduncan13 Wrote:  We need both to be successful to get to the AAC.

I believe that if the success doesn’t result in a lot more donors and higher attendance at both, CUSA will remain our home.

You are correct. Has the football team's success in CUSA since the 2017 season resulted in an increase in boosters and game attendance? The numbers would say no. In 2019 UAB hosted 4 CUSA conference football games. Only one of those drew a crowd larger than 20,000 and that's following a conference championship season and our first bowl win.

Success in CSUK isn't gonna get us where we want to go. Outside of the established base of 15-25K semi-regular UAB fans, nobody cares if we win CSUK every year. Same goes for basketball. Nobody gives a **** about regular season conference champs that don't play in the NCAA tournament. For UAB to significantly grow its fan base, we must become nationally relevant.

(03-07-2021 07:01 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:19 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:07 PM)jcduncan13 Wrote:  We need both to be successful to get to the AAC.

I believe that if the success doesn’t result in a lot more donors and higher attendance at both, CUSA will remain our home.

You are correct. Has the football team's success in CUSA since the 2017 season resulted in an increase in boosters and game attendance? The numbers would say no. In 2019 UAB hosted 4 CUSA conference football games. Only one of those drew a crowd larger than 20,000 and that's following a conference championship season and our first bowl win.

Success in CSUK isn't gonna get us where we want to go. Outside of the established base of 15-25K semi-regular UAB fans, nobody cares if we win CSUK every year. Same goes for basketball. Nobody gives a **** about regular season conference champs that don't play in the NCAA tournament. For UAB to significantly grow its fan base, we must become nationally relevant.

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the teams that have become nationally relevant did so by spending money on the programs and then took years to get there. UAB starved athletics for twenty years. we have begun to invest in the program and you are seeing results on the field. the sustained success that leads to national relevance does not happen overnight. one good year beating a couple of p5 teams does nothing

the only way UAB will be in a real conference aka p5 is when UAB get an invitation and play in the football playoff

(03-07-2021 10:28 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 07:01 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:19 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:07 PM)jcduncan13 Wrote:  We need both to be successful to get to the AAC.

I believe that if the success doesn’t result in a lot more donors and higher attendance at both, CUSA will remain our home.

You are correct. Has the football team's success in CUSA since the 2017 season resulted in an increase in boosters and game attendance? The numbers would say no. In 2019 UAB hosted 4 CUSA conference football games. Only one of those drew a crowd larger than 20,000 and that's following a conference championship season and our first bowl win.

Success in CSUK isn't gonna get us where we want to go. Outside of the established base of 15-25K semi-regular UAB fans, nobody cares if we win CSUK every year. Same goes for basketball. Nobody gives a **** about regular season conference champs that don't play in the NCAA tournament. For UAB to significantly grow its fan base, we must become nationally relevant.

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the teams that have become nationally relevant did so by spending money on the programs and then took years to get there. UAB starved athletics for twenty years. we have begun to invest in the program and you are seeing results on the field. the sustained success that leads to national relevance does not happen overnight. one good year beating a couple of p5 teams does nothing

I see your point and in a better world UAB would have decades to build. I don't think we have 20 years to make the move out this basement conference. If we miss the next realignment opportunity we will be stuck in CSUK for at least another decade and attendance at Protective Stadium will be stuck at about 50% capacity.

We need big OOC wins (regular and post-season) in both major sports and we need them yesterday. Nothing else will spark the public interest we need to grow our attendance and boosters.

Boosters and fan base
Boosters and fan base
Revenue
Revenue
Revenue

That’s it

UAB can’t take next step without wins in big games

This article is just as relevant today as back in September, for basketball as well as football. We will not take the next step in donor numbers, attendance, or conference affiliation until we start winning big games outside of CSUK.

(03-07-2021 11:21 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  UAB can’t take next step without wins in big games

This article is just as relevant today as back in September, for basketball as well as football. We will not take the next step in donor numbers, attendance, or conference affiliation until we start winning big games outside of CSUK.

Im with you, but I think we get the point by now.

(03-07-2021 10:58 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 10:28 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(03-07-2021 07:01 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:19 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 10:07 PM)jcduncan13 Wrote:  We need both to be successful to get to the AAC.

I believe that if the success doesn’t result in a lot more donors and higher attendance at both, CUSA will remain our home.

You are correct. Has the football team's success in CUSA since the 2017 season resulted in an increase in boosters and game attendance? The numbers would say no. In 2019 UAB hosted 4 CUSA conference football games. Only one of those drew a crowd larger than 20,000 and that's following a conference championship season and our first bowl win.

Success in CSUK isn't gonna get us where we want to go. Outside of the established base of 15-25K semi-regular UAB fans, nobody cares if we win CSUK every year. Same goes for basketball. Nobody gives a **** about regular season conference champs that don't play in the NCAA tournament. For UAB to significantly grow its fan base, we must become nationally relevant.

.
the teams that have become nationally relevant did so by spending money on the programs and then took years to get there. UAB starved athletics for twenty years. we have begun to invest in the program and you are seeing results on the field. the sustained success that leads to national relevance does not happen overnight. one good year beating a couple of p5 teams does nothing

I see your point and in a better world UAB would have decades to build. I don't think we have 20 years to make the move out this basement conference. If we miss the next realignment opportunity we will be stuck in CSUK for at least another decade and attendance at Protective Stadium will be stuck at about 50% capacity.

We need big OOC wins (regular and post-season) in both major sports and we need them yesterday. Nothing else will spark the public interest we need to grow our attendance and boosters.

everyone needs big OOC wins regular and post season in both major sports. its more likely to happen in basketball in the near future. before Bill Clark UAB had ONE decent year in football. Thats it. ONE. In 2004 we started the season beating what ended up being a three win Baylor team, lost by 27 to Florida State, and beat a three win Mississippi State team. The next winning season we had was in 2014. Beating two "Big Time" programs in one season did not lead to a huge increase in boosters or attendance. Sustained success is the only way out of CUSA. In football Clark has been doing it the right way. He is building a program not a team. He also does not have the luxury of signing a bunch a prop 48 players who do not have the grades to get into bigger programs.

Yep. I don’t think anybody is trying to deny that. We as fans have no control over the results on the field.

The things we can control are donor numbers, and attendance numbers. It’s hard to be dissatisfied with the football attendance to me, but basketball has been in the dumps. There were games last season I don’t think we had 200 people at.if Kennedy can take us on a run, I think that could really help us start with a solid attendance number from game 1.

(03-07-2021 12:50 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Yep. I don’t think anybody is trying to deny that. We as fans have no control over the results on the field.

The things we can control are donor numbers, and attendance numbers. It’s hard to be dissatisfied with the football attendance to me, but basketball has been in the dumps. There were games last season I don’t think we had 200 people at.if Kennedy can take us on a run, I think that could really help us start with a solid attendance number from game 1.

when you put an exciting competitive product on the court attendance will improve. Kennedy is doing that. After the results this year with everything that happened I have little doubt UAB will be a consistent top four team in CUSA on a regular basis.

(03-07-2021 11:02 AM)Lou-A-B Wrote:  Boosters and fan base
Boosters and fan base
Revenue
Revenue
Revenue

That’s it

Yep. This is literally all that matters

(03-06-2021 10:05 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  i know the prevailing wisdom is that football drives the boat but i think basketball is our best hope at getting out of CUSA.

I think basketball could have got us out of CUSA when the whole realignment stuff started happening if football had just been semi competitive at that time. But now our chances of leaving CUSA is totally reliant on football, we just need basketball to be serviceable and not the dregs of the conference.