(03-09-2021 08:11 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  How in the heck does Comer continue to work CAA Tournament games?

He's part of three man crew working championship game with Roger Ayers and Ted Valentine.

When you are in a crew with TV Teddy and being referred to as the worst of the crew, that speaks volumes as to how terrible you are.

(03-09-2021 08:11 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  How in the heck does Comer continue to work CAA Tournament games?

He's part of three man crew working championship game with Roger Ayers and Ted Valentine.

Seems like Jamie Luckie got more "credit" for the mess due to his "It is today" response

Jamie Luckie has quite a reputation among other school's fans also, it seems noone would cry if he was booted.

Luckie and Comer have worked a ton of games together going back 10 years at least. Luckie is apparently the only Ref to ever call a T on Tony Bennett also.

I was at the game Sunday. There were two grown men sitting in the section next to me heckling Luckie most of the game. I think some fans believe this heckling helps the home team but I believe it pisses the officials off and they take it out on the players with their foul calls or lack of foul calls. Luckie looked up at the men several times and as quiet as the arena was, I know he heard the heckling. I believe the excessive heckling annoyed the officiating crew enough that it influenced there calls. Sometimes fans need to zip it. Th officials are in charge and are protected by league administrations. I believe the two bogus technical fouls should warrant disciplinary action by the league toward the official.

(03-10-2021 12:45 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I was at the game Sunday. There were two grown men sitting in the section next to me heckling Luckie most of the game. I think some fans believe this heckling helps the home team but I believe it pisses the officials off and they take it out on the players with their foul calls or lack of foul calls. Luckie looked up at the men several times and as quiet as the arena was, I know he heard the heckling. I believe the excessive heckling annoyed the officiating crew enough that it influenced there calls. Sometimes fans need to zip it. Th officials are in charge and are protected by league administrations. I believe the two bogus technical fouls should warrant disciplinary action by the league toward the official.

Well if heckling (which is part of the gig) bothers an official that much and their skin is that thin......that is even a bigger red flag that they have no business officiating games. The officials that do the best job regardless of the sport do so, doing their job and you hardly notice there presence during the game.

The worst officials feel an obligation to insert themselves and be part of the game, as if anyone has ever walked into an arena or bought a ticket to see an official do their thing.

I watched the miraculous comeback and win at the buzzer by Notre Dame last night over Wake Forest. During ND's final run over the last 5 minutes, Irish Head Coach Mike Bray was constantly outside the coaches box cheering on his team to defend on the other end of the court - and he was actually out on the floor about 3 to 5 feet in most cases. Wake's head coach Steve Forbes did the same a couple of times, but not as noticeable as Bray.

By the way, I'm not taking a shot at those guys. What they were doing seems perfectly fine to me. They weren't gaining any kind of advantage. They weren't blatantly being a pest to anybody. And, I'm willing to bet as you watch more hoops over March you'll see more and more of this and think to yourself as I did last night watching Bray how ridiculous it is to T up a head coach for being slightly outside of the coaches box and the inconsistency of "enforcing" such a nebulous rule.

Hey, if HCMB had been up near midcourt multiple times or 6 feet out on the court more than once or the refs had counseled him on it with previous warnings and such, then no excuses. But, I'll bet everything I have in my bank account right now that none of those happened or were the case. Just an asinine set of decisions by refs to decide games when the games should be decided by the kids. I appreciate referees 90% of the time. I never ever beyatch about 50-50 calls (charging vs blocking) or the like. This however deserves some level of investigation, discipline, etc., due to being so outside the norm.

(03-10-2021 08:29 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:45 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I was at the game Sunday. There were two grown men sitting in the section next to me heckling Luckie most of the game. I think some fans believe this heckling helps the home team but I believe it pisses the officials off and they take it out on the players with their foul calls or lack of foul calls. Luckie looked up at the men several times and as quiet as the arena was, I know he heard the heckling. I believe the excessive heckling annoyed the officiating crew enough that it influenced there calls. Sometimes fans need to zip it. Th officials are in charge and are protected by league administrations. I believe the two bogus technical fouls should warrant disciplinary action by the league toward the official.

Well if heckling (which is part of the gig) bothers an official that much and their skin is that thin......that is even a bigger red flag that they have no business officiating games. The officials that do the best job regardless of the sport do so, doing their job and you hardly notice there presence during the game.

The worst officials feel an obligation to insert themselves and be part of the game, as if anyone has ever walked into an arena or bought a ticket to see an official do their thing.

Being heckled is definitely part of the gig and the officials need to have thick skin. I will say that having just a couple hundred fans in attendance made for a different atmosphere. Had there been six thousand screaming JMU fans in the arena, the officials don’t hear “and one” nor much of what the hecklers have to say. Being there, it came across as much more personal.

Just before the last technical was called, the guys were giving it to Jamie pretty good. He walked to the scorers table and said something then looked up at the guys. I told my friend that the guys might be escorted out. When Jamie walked away from the scorers table, he looked up defiantly at the two fans. I honestly thought he might call a T on them. It wouldn’t be the first time but absent an object being thrown on the floor, I am not sure it is allowed. It could be that the officials were looking for any excuse to T JMU and coming out of the box was it.

Officials are human beings too and subject to making emotional decisions in the heat of the moment. We all agree they shouldn’t but it happens. Based on what I witnessed being at the game, I believe it happened Sunday.

I've witnessed times when I thought heckling fans negatively effected ref calls.

Who knows if it was actually the case, but I'm sure there are some cases where they get pissed off and act the opposite of how the hecklers want.

As a fan, sometimes hecklers are annoying to me even if I agree with the "perceived" bad call.

I imagine most, or at least many, refs at times are annoyed by hecklers - especially during Covid when everything can be heard.

(03-10-2021 10:14 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 08:29 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:45 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I was at the game Sunday. There were two grown men sitting in the section next to me heckling Luckie most of the game. I think some fans believe this heckling helps the home team but I believe it pisses the officials off and they take it out on the players with their foul calls or lack of foul calls. Luckie looked up at the men several times and as quiet as the arena was, I know he heard the heckling. I believe the excessive heckling annoyed the officiating crew enough that it influenced there calls. Sometimes fans need to zip it. Th officials are in charge and are protected by league administrations. I believe the two bogus technical fouls should warrant disciplinary action by the league toward the official.

Well if heckling (which is part of the gig) bothers an official that much and their skin is that thin......that is even a bigger red flag that they have no business officiating games. The officials that do the best job regardless of the sport do so, doing their job and you hardly notice there presence during the game.

The worst officials feel an obligation to insert themselves and be part of the game, as if anyone has ever walked into an arena or bought a ticket to see an official do their thing.

Being heckled is definitely part of the gig and the officials need to have thick skin. I will say that having just a couple hundred fans in attendance made for a different atmosphere. Had there been six thousand screaming JMU fans in the arena, the officials don’t hear “and one” nor much of what the hecklers have to say. Being there, it came across as much more personal.

Just before the last technical was called, the guys were giving it to Jamie pretty good. He walked to the scorers table and said something then looked up at the guys. I told my friend that the guys might be escorted out. When Jamie walked away from the scorers table, he looked up defiantly at the two fans. I honestly thought he might call a T on them. It wouldn’t be the first time but absent an object being thrown on the floor, I am not sure it is allowed. It could be that the officials were looking for any excuse to T JMU and coming out of the box was it.

Officials are human beings too and subject to making emotional decisions in the heat of the moment. We all agree they shouldn’t but it happens. Based on what I witnessed being at the game, I believe it happened Sunday.

I hear ya, but let me get this straight...a couple of blowhard nitwits are up in the stands running their pie holes and a game official decides that because of their idiocy (apparently) he will go and punish a team, its players, its coaching staff, etc., because of the blowhards? I ain't buying that as an excuse for a second. These guys ref in the ACC where they get blasted every game from fans. Coach Mike Krysndsnasndklasndjknasjkdnskjdnskjndksjndkskndski is such a potty mouth and on these guys about every single call they make. And, if these guys are the so-called "cream of the crop" and are indeed very experienced, then they should know better than to essentially decide a game whether the nitwits are up there running their cake holes or not. You might expect a younger, less-experienced ref succumbing to heckling but not an experienced official. I get what you are saying, but it is a shame that the kids have to pay the price - not because of the nitwits, but instead because a seasoned official gets his panties in a wad when any other venue they let it roll off of them (because THAT is what they are TRAINED to do). Really sad.

I'm a bit surprised the CAA offered apologies for subjective calls. I listened to the radio broadcast on the plane, but have not yet watched the game. Must of been pretty bad....

They were extremely petty. Zach's T was akin to a ref throwing the flag after a WR spikes the ball after a TD - and not even spiking in the direction of another player. And Zach didn't say, "And one" trying to get the ref to call it; the ref had called the foul and his "And one" declaration was more just a confirmation of what we all saw. Coach By's T was Grade A horse crap; minute left, close game, tournament game, nothing derogatory was said, no theatrics or freaking out. The CAA backed into that explanation. Absolutely pathetic.

(03-10-2021 11:27 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  They were extremely petty. Zach's T was akin to a ref throwing the flag after a WR spikes the ball after a TD - and not even spiking in the direction of another player. And Zach didn't say, "And one" trying to get the ref to call it; the ref had called the foul and his "And one" declaration was more just a confirmation of what we all saw. Coach By's T was Grade A horse crap; minute left, close game, tournament game, nothing derogatory was said, no theatrics or freaking out. The CAA backed into that explanation. Absolutely pathetic.

Video shows Coach By was maybe a foot outside the box, if he stepped out it was trivial compared to what most coaches are doing on a regular basis. I think it’s clear that explanation was crap.

Refs just didn’t like being questioned on calls and decided to hammer him for that reason. That crew has a pretty bad rep throughout the ACC.

While I know some feel it is bad karma/uncivil to yell at or antagonize the refs, I recall back in Lefty days when roughly 8,000 would yell/chant Bull - - - - in unison to a blatantly bad call, and I don’t recall refs continuing to make bad calls after that. In some cases it felt like some “make up” calls went the other way afterward. It also tended to fire the team up when the crowd was behind them.

(03-10-2021 09:57 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I watched the miraculous comeback and win at the buzzer by Notre Dame last night over Wake Forest. During ND's final run over the last 5 minutes, Irish Head Coach Mike Bray was constantly outside the coaches box cheering on his team to defend on the other end of the court - and he was actually out on the floor about 3 to 5 feet in most cases. Wake's head coach Steve Forbes did the same a couple of times, but not as noticeable as Bray.

By the way, I'm not taking a shot at those guys. What they were doing seems perfectly fine to me. They weren't gaining any kind of advantage. They weren't blatantly being a pest to anybody. And, I'm willing to bet as you watch more hoops over March you'll see more and more of this and think to yourself as I did last night watching Bray how ridiculous it is to T up a head coach for being slightly outside of the coaches box and the inconsistency of "enforcing" such a nebulous rule.

Hey, if HCMB had been up near midcourt multiple times or 6 feet out on the court more than once or the refs had counseled him on it with previous warnings and such, then no excuses. But, I'll bet everything I have in my bank account right now that none of those happened or were the case. Just an asinine set of decisions by refs to decide games when the games should be decided by the kids. I appreciate referees 90% of the time. I never ever beyatch about 50-50 calls (charging vs blocking) or the like. This however deserves some level of investigation, discipline, etc., due to being so outside the norm.

Spot on and I agree.....if that were enforced like that there would be Technicals called on both coaches every single game. Many coaches as you pointed out are clearly out on the court during live ball situations and many while the ball is on that side of the court.

(03-10-2021 10:14 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 08:29 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(03-10-2021 12:45 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  I was at the game Sunday. There were two grown men sitting in the section next to me heckling Luckie most of the game. I think some fans believe this heckling helps the home team but I believe it pisses the officials off and they take it out on the players with their foul calls or lack of foul calls. Luckie looked up at the men several times and as quiet as the arena was, I know he heard the heckling. I believe the excessive heckling annoyed the officiating crew enough that it influenced there calls. Sometimes fans need to zip it. Th officials are in charge and are protected by league administrations. I believe the two bogus technical fouls should warrant disciplinary action by the league toward the official.

Well if heckling (which is part of the gig) bothers an official that much and their skin is that thin......that is even a bigger red flag that they have no business officiating games. The officials that do the best job regardless of the sport do so, doing their job and you hardly notice there presence during the game.

The worst officials feel an obligation to insert themselves and be part of the game, as if anyone has ever walked into an arena or bought a ticket to see an official do their thing.

Being heckled is definitely part of the gig and the officials need to have thick skin. I will say that having just a couple hundred fans in attendance made for a different atmosphere. Had there been six thousand screaming JMU fans in the arena, the officials don’t hear “and one” nor much of what the hecklers have to say. Being there, it came across as much more personal.

Just before the last technical was called, the guys were giving it to Jamie pretty good. He walked to the scorers table and said something then looked up at the guys. I told my friend that the guys might be escorted out. When Jamie walked away from the scorers table, he looked up defiantly at the two fans. I honestly thought he might call a T on them. It wouldn’t be the first time but absent an object being thrown on the floor, I am not sure it is allowed. It could be that the officials were looking for any excuse to T JMU and coming out of the box was it.

Officials are human beings too and subject to making emotional decisions in the heat of the moment. We all agree they shouldn’t but it happens. Based on what I witnessed being at the game, I believe it happened Sunday.

And if it did happen that way.....he should never referee another basketball game period (college/high school/pee wee)

(03-10-2021 12:16 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  While I know some feel it is bad karma/uncivil to yell at or antagonize the refs, I recall back in Lefty days when roughly 8,000 would yell/chant Bull - - - - in unison to a blatantly bad call, and I don’t recall refs continuing to make bad calls after that. In some cases it felt like some “make up” calls went the other way afterward. It also tended to fire the team up when the crowd was behind them.

Exactly as I recall as well.

Don't see DUKE or UVA getting the hose job from their obnoxious fan base.

Luckie's name is plastered all over the internet from previous calls. Sounds like he is quite infamous.

(03-10-2021 12:16 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  While I know some feel it is bad karma/uncivil to yell at or antagonize the refs, I recall back in Lefty days when roughly 8,000 would yell/chant Bull - - - - in unison to a blatantly bad call, and I don’t recall refs continuing to make bad calls after that. In some cases it felt like some “make up” calls went the other way afterward. It also tended to fire the team up when the crowd was behind them.

I agree with your post and remember the chant well. Your post supports what I was saying. It is different when 8000 fans scream in unison. The crowd mentality can impact a refs decision because a ref is human and subject to influence when it comes in numbers. When one or two guys are demeaning a ref in an otherwise quiet arena, the interaction feels more personal. I could see Jamie’s body language and it was pissing him off. From what I witnessed, the heckling hurt JMU and if there was an influence, it wasn’t in our favor.

I don’t know Jamie but have seen him officiate many times. Based on the demeanor that I have observed from him, he comes across as having a canyon sized ego. He probably thought he was doing the CAA a favor being there. I don’t think he worked another game after ours this weekend. Comer worked two or maybe it was the other ref who looks like Comers twin.

No doubt refs are influenced by the fans. It is human nature. For example, in a packed arena with fans going nuts in a tight game you sometimes see a ref make an emphatic charge call with 2 minutes left, but used his normal charge call when there were 15 minutes left. The electric atmosphere impacts their actions.
This is a component of home court advantage which is much larger in normal years

Maybe we were the victim of “homecourt disadvantage” in an empty arena. Rabbit ears hear it all during the pandemic season.

Who was the poster that went all-in on the home court disadvantage theory years ago? Maybe he was right way before his time