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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
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(03-03-2021 04:36 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  I've made this point to anyone who brings up the "we'll run everything on batteries" idea.

We're gonna destroy this planet a helluva lot faster tearing it open to dig up the lithium, nickel, silver, cadmium, all the other metals needed for all these cars, gadgets and etc. AND, we've still go to generate the power to charge all these millions of batteries.

How are we going to make tires? How about shingles for the house? Dig those out of the ground too? maybe go back to John the Thatcher?

This is another complete ruse.

The batteries can be recharged. You know that right?

Only so many times.

That's true but if you fill up your gas tank on gas, you can only use that gas one time and it's gone forever.

If you have a a couple of batteries that can "fill your tank" many, many times.
Damn, are you like 12?

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Really? Then explain it to me like I"m 12 because I'm not understanding how a renewable energy like batteries are actually less efficient than a non renewable energy like gas.
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 09:43 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 08:07 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 05:00 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 04:50 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 04:37 PM)Danforth Wrote:  The batteries can be recharged. You know that right?

Only so many times.

That's true but if you fill up your gas tank on gas, you can only use that gas one time and it's gone forever.

If you have a a couple of batteries that can "fill your tank" many, many times.
Damn, are you like 12?

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Really? Then explain it to me like I"m 12 because I'm not understanding how a renewable energy like batteries are actually less efficient than a non renewable energy like gas.

What most here will concede is that we should pursue renewable energy, but not be foolish and discard the current reliable energy sources we currently have.

Right now, wind and solar aren’t reliable or cost effective enough to discard fossil fuels, they just aren’t. Maybe someday they will be.
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 10:12 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 09:43 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 08:07 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 05:00 PM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 04:50 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Only so many times.

That's true but if you fill up your gas tank on gas, you can only use that gas one time and it's gone forever.

If you have a a couple of batteries that can "fill your tank" many, many times.
Damn, are you like 12?

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Really? Then explain it to me like I"m 12 because I'm not understanding how a renewable energy like batteries are actually less efficient than a non renewable energy like gas.

What most here will concede is that we should pursue renewable energy, but not be foolish and discard the current reliable energy sources we currently have.

Right now, wind and solar aren’t reliable or cost effective enough to discard fossil fuels, they just aren’t. Maybe someday they will be.

I can understand that.

I still drive cars that use gas. I cannot afford a car that uses battery power.

I'm just trying to understand why some people flat out refuse to acknowledge the potential of renewable energy going forward.

We aren't going to have gas forever. It's going to get more and more expensive to get. Why on earth would we wait until that happens to start transitioning?
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 10:12 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What most here will concede is that we should pursue renewable energy, but not be foolish and discard the current reliable energy sources we currently have.

Right now, wind and solar aren’t reliable or cost effective enough to discard fossil fuels, they just aren’t. Maybe someday they will be.

Yep. Renewable energy should be a goal, not a mandate. We are controlled by morons.
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 10:16 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:12 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 09:43 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 08:07 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 05:00 PM)Danforth Wrote:  That's true but if you fill up your gas tank on gas, you can only use that gas one time and it's gone forever.

If you have a a couple of batteries that can "fill your tank" many, many times.
Damn, are you like 12?

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Really? Then explain it to me like I"m 12 because I'm not understanding how a renewable energy like batteries are actually less efficient than a non renewable energy like gas.

What most here will concede is that we should pursue renewable energy, but not be foolish and discard the current reliable energy sources we currently have.

Right now, wind and solar aren’t reliable or cost effective enough to discard fossil fuels, they just aren’t. Maybe someday they will be.

I can understand that.

I still drive cars that use gas. I cannot afford a car that uses battery power.

I'm just trying to understand why some people flat out refuse to acknowledge the potential of renewable energy going forward.

We aren't going to have gas forever. It's going to get more and more expensive to get. Why on earth would we wait until that happens to start transitioning?

It’s okay to work on the renewables, but it’s foolish and stupid to “turn off the spigot” of the reliable sources when the renewables can’t yet fill the void in any sort of cost effective manner, or fill the void at all.

If you shut off the fossil fuels right now, we’d be living in the dark and cutting trees for warmth......
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 10:16 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:12 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 09:43 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 08:07 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-03-2021 05:00 PM)Danforth Wrote:  That's true but if you fill up your gas tank on gas, you can only use that gas one time and it's gone forever.

If you have a a couple of batteries that can "fill your tank" many, many times.
Damn, are you like 12?

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Really? Then explain it to me like I"m 12 because I'm not understanding how a renewable energy like batteries are actually less efficient than a non renewable energy like gas.

What most here will concede is that we should pursue renewable energy, but not be foolish and discard the current reliable energy sources we currently have.

Right now, wind and solar aren’t reliable or cost effective enough to discard fossil fuels, they just aren’t. Maybe someday they will be.

I can understand that.

I still drive cars that use gas. I cannot afford a car that uses battery power.

I'm just trying to understand why some people flat out refuse to acknowledge the potential of renewable energy going forward.

We aren't going to have gas forever. It's going to get more and more expensive to get. Why on earth would we wait until that happens to start transitioning?

I'm not against what you are saying, but I think the technology just isn't there yet to really make the switch fully. And it's not like there are lots of options when it comes to the electric grid. It just has to work, and work virtually all of the time and also be very cost efficient. But wind and solar are beginning to play a larger role. Same with battery and hybrid cars.

But the good news it, no matter what is happening now or the next few years, great strides are being made in renewable energy. Its probably receiving more funding and focus than just about any technology these days. I think it will happen things fall into place, when it begins to make the most sense. Until then, consumers are free to choose what works for them as things continue to develop.

And the transition is already happening. Perhaps not fast enough for some, but it is happening.

**Crebman, your succinct version of my long winded post got the same thought as mine to the press faster ha ha.
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 10:26 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:16 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:12 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 09:43 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 08:07 AM)maximus Wrote:  Damn, are you like 12?

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Really? Then explain it to me like I"m 12 because I'm not understanding how a renewable energy like batteries are actually less efficient than a non renewable energy like gas.

What most here will concede is that we should pursue renewable energy, but not be foolish and discard the current reliable energy sources we currently have.

Right now, wind and solar aren’t reliable or cost effective enough to discard fossil fuels, they just aren’t. Maybe someday they will be.

I can understand that.

I still drive cars that use gas. I cannot afford a car that uses battery power.

I'm just trying to understand why some people flat out refuse to acknowledge the potential of renewable energy going forward.

We aren't going to have gas forever. It's going to get more and more expensive to get. Why on earth would we wait until that happens to start transitioning?

I'm not against what you are saying, but I think the technology just isn't there yet to really make the switch fully. And it's not like there are lots of options when it comes to the electric grid. It just has to work, and work virtually all of the time and also be very cost efficient. But wind and solar are beginning to play a larger role. Same with battery and hybrid cars.

But the good news it, no matter what is happening now or the next few years, great strides are being made in renewable energy. Its probably receiving more funding and focus than just about any technology these days. I think it will happen things fall into place, when it begins to make the most sense. Until then, consumers are free to choose what works for them as things continue to develop.

I don’t disagree, but unfortunately right now the leftists are promoting the renewables and shutting down things like the Keystone pipeline and mining coal.

Hell, they are blatantly trying to pick winners by restricting coal mining but allowing looser restrictions on mining rare earths.....

Just promote all energy sources so we aren’t beholden to those crazies in the Middle East.

How stupid is that.....
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 10:31 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:26 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:16 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:12 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 09:43 AM)Danforth Wrote:  Really? Then explain it to me like I"m 12 because I'm not understanding how a renewable energy like batteries are actually less efficient than a non renewable energy like gas.

What most here will concede is that we should pursue renewable energy, but not be foolish and discard the current reliable energy sources we currently have.

Right now, wind and solar aren’t reliable or cost effective enough to discard fossil fuels, they just aren’t. Maybe someday they will be.

I can understand that.

I still drive cars that use gas. I cannot afford a car that uses battery power.

I'm just trying to understand why some people flat out refuse to acknowledge the potential of renewable energy going forward.

We aren't going to have gas forever. It's going to get more and more expensive to get. Why on earth would we wait until that happens to start transitioning?

I'm not against what you are saying, but I think the technology just isn't there yet to really make the switch fully. And it's not like there are lots of options when it comes to the electric grid. It just has to work, and work virtually all of the time and also be very cost efficient. But wind and solar are beginning to play a larger role. Same with battery and hybrid cars.

But the good news it, no matter what is happening now or the next few years, great strides are being made in renewable energy. Its probably receiving more funding and focus than just about any technology these days. I think it will happen things fall into place, when it begins to make the most sense. Until then, consumers are free to choose what works for them as things continue to develop.

I don’t disagree, but unfortunately right now the leftists are promoting the renewables and shutting down things like the Keystone pipeline and mining coal.

Hell, they are blatantly trying to pick winners by restricting coal mining but allowing looser restrictions on mining rare earths.....

Just promote all energy sources so we aren’t beholden to those crazies in the Middle East.

How stupid is that.....

I hear what you guys are saying. I think that it's okay to promote renewable energy but I don't agree with trying to shut down fossil fuels. Let the market make the change naturally.

On the other hand. How quickly would that change take place naturally? Do we have time to wait? I currently have solar panels. Would that technology have been made possible ten years ago without government incentives?
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 10:39 AM)Danforth Wrote:  I hear what you guys are saying. I think that it's okay to promote renewable energy but I don't agree with trying to shut down fossil fuels. Let the market make the change naturally.

On the other hand. How quickly would that change take place naturally? Do we have time to wait? I currently have solar panels. Would that technology have been made possible ten years ago without government incentives?

Do you panels meet your household energy demands? The incentives spurred innovation and lowered costs but I don't think it has generated any improvement in the grid. We will see where we stand in another 10-15 years on whether the investment is worth it when we start assessing replacement costs.
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
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(03-04-2021 10:39 AM)Danforth Wrote:  I hear what you guys are saying. I think that it's okay to promote renewable energy but I don't agree with trying to shut down fossil fuels. Let the market make the change naturally.

On the other hand. How quickly would that change take place naturally? Do we have time to wait? I currently have solar panels. Would that technology have been made possible ten years ago without government incentives?

Do you panels meet your household energy demands? The incentives spurred innovation and lowered costs but I don't think it has generated any improvement in the grid. We will see where we stand in another 10-15 years on whether the investment is worth it when we start assessing replacement costs.

Do we have time to wait for what? Are you one of those Karens that believes the world is going to end in 9 years? I thought you couldn't surprise me again 12.
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 11:10 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 11:08 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:39 AM)Danforth Wrote:  I hear what you guys are saying. I think that it's okay to promote renewable energy but I don't agree with trying to shut down fossil fuels. Let the market make the change naturally.

On the other hand. How quickly would that change take place naturally? Do we have time to wait? I currently have solar panels. Would that technology have been made possible ten years ago without government incentives?

Do you panels meet your household energy demands? The incentives spurred innovation and lowered costs but I don't think it has generated any improvement in the grid. We will see where we stand in another 10-15 years on whether the investment is worth it when we start assessing replacement costs.

Do we have time to wait for what? Are you one of those Karens that believes the world is going to end in 9 years? I thought you couldn't surprise me again 12.

I was referring to the service life of all the renewable energy that has been installed within the last 10 years. What will be the efficiency of these components after 30 years in operation? Is there a cost effective upgrade akin to changing out a turbine on a dam or improving the combustor on a COGEN unit to extend the life of solar and wind systems to 50 years?

I know the previous efforts into renewables withered after the subsidies ended and I'm not sure if the current pricing scheme is any better.
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RE: Energy Secretary They Can ‘Mine the Critical Materials that Go Into Batteries’
(03-04-2021 10:39 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:31 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:26 AM)Todor Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:16 AM)Danforth Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:12 AM)Crebman Wrote:  What most here will concede is that we should pursue renewable energy, but not be foolish and discard the current reliable energy sources we currently have.

Right now, wind and solar aren’t reliable or cost effective enough to discard fossil fuels, they just aren’t. Maybe someday they will be.

I can understand that.

I still drive cars that use gas. I cannot afford a car that uses battery power.

I'm just trying to understand why some people flat out refuse to acknowledge the potential of renewable energy going forward.

We aren't going to have gas forever. It's going to get more and more expensive to get. Why on earth would we wait until that happens to start transitioning?

I'm not against what you are saying, but I think the technology just isn't there yet to really make the switch fully. And it's not like there are lots of options when it comes to the electric grid. It just has to work, and work virtually all of the time and also be very cost efficient. But wind and solar are beginning to play a larger role. Same with battery and hybrid cars.

But the good news it, no matter what is happening now or the next few years, great strides are being made in renewable energy. Its probably receiving more funding and focus than just about any technology these days. I think it will happen things fall into place, when it begins to make the most sense. Until then, consumers are free to choose what works for them as things continue to develop.

I don’t disagree, but unfortunately right now the leftists are promoting the renewables and shutting down things like the Keystone pipeline and mining coal.

Hell, they are blatantly trying to pick winners by restricting coal mining but allowing looser restrictions on mining rare earths.....

Just promote all energy sources so we aren’t beholden to those crazies in the Middle East.

How stupid is that.....

I hear what you guys are saying. I think that it's okay to promote renewable energy but I don't agree with trying to shut down fossil fuels. Let the market make the change naturally.

On the other hand. How quickly would that change take place naturally? Do we have time to wait? I currently have solar panels. Would that technology have been made possible ten years ago without government incentives?

Actually , I believe it would have. But probably not at an attainable price.
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(03-04-2021 11:10 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 11:08 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:39 AM)Danforth Wrote:  I hear what you guys are saying. I think that it's okay to promote renewable energy but I don't agree with trying to shut down fossil fuels. Let the market make the change naturally.

On the other hand. How quickly would that change take place naturally? Do we have time to wait? I currently have solar panels. Would that technology have been made possible ten years ago without government incentives?

Do you panels meet your household energy demands? The incentives spurred innovation and lowered costs but I don't think it has generated any improvement in the grid. We will see where we stand in another 10-15 years on whether the investment is worth it when we start assessing replacement costs.

Do we have time to wait for what? Are you one of those Karens that believes the world is going to end in 9 years? I thought you couldn't surprise me again 12.

I was referring to the service life of all the renewable energy that has been installed within the last 10 years. What will be the efficiency of these components after 30 years in operation? Is there a cost effective upgrade akin to changing out a turbine on a dam or improving the combustor on a COGEN unit to extend the life of solar and wind systems to 50 years?

I know the previous efforts into renewables withered after the subsidies ended and I'm not sure if the current pricing scheme is any better.

Sorry man, I was talking to the libtard you quoted, not you. See my bold in his quote.
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(03-04-2021 11:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 11:10 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 11:08 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(03-04-2021 10:39 AM)Danforth Wrote:  I hear what you guys are saying. I think that it's okay to promote renewable energy but I don't agree with trying to shut down fossil fuels. Let the market make the change naturally.

On the other hand. How quickly would that change take place naturally? Do we have time to wait? I currently have solar panels. Would that technology have been made possible ten years ago without government incentives?

Do you panels meet your household energy demands? The incentives spurred innovation and lowered costs but I don't think it has generated any improvement in the grid. We will see where we stand in another 10-15 years on whether the investment is worth it when we start assessing replacement costs.

Do we have time to wait for what? Are you one of those Karens that believes the world is going to end in 9 years? I thought you couldn't surprise me again 12.

I was referring to the service life of all the renewable energy that has been installed within the last 10 years. What will be the efficiency of these components after 30 years in operation? Is there a cost effective upgrade akin to changing out a turbine on a dam or improving the combustor on a COGEN unit to extend the life of solar and wind systems to 50 years?

I know the previous efforts into renewables withered after the subsidies ended and I'm not sure if the current pricing scheme is any better.

Sorry man, I was talking to the libtard you quoted, not you. See my bold in his quote.

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