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(03-08-2021 04:44 PM)monarx Wrote:  
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(03-06-2021 02:34 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  I’ll make a prediction. We are going to be really good next year.

Edit: not being sarcastic. I really believe that, top 25 good.

That assumes Curry, Ezikpe and Trice agree to come back and not go elsewhere.

Why would Kalu leave early? Is he on pace to graduate early?

With the upcoming (pending, but most-likely) approval for a one-time transfer waiver, which will allow student-athletes to play right away, Kalu could potentially transfer regardless of his graduation status.

If Curry and Trice (and maybe X) return, Wade comes back at full strength and Kalu stays, (God forbid he leaves. Hadn't even considered that. He's my favorite player), I think we will be pretty good too. But, I thought that this year as well. And if every other team returns the same pieces, like we hope to, I don't really see why we would finish much better than we did this year. The addition of Wade would bring us back to full strength, and maybe he is the missing piece between finishing fourth and finishing first.

I'm not sure how much better Wade makes the current group. It is not to say that Wade is not a very good player, he is, but sometimes it is about pieces. This team has succeeded because it shoots better than most JJ teams. If you insert Wade and take minutes primarily from Oliver and Hunter, then the team probably is not better because they become a significantly worse shooting team. If you insert Wade and take minutes primarily from Green, Reece, Trice, then the team might be a bit better because you add a guy who is dynamic on the defensive end and get score around the rim in multiple ways. It is interesting how a team dynamic works, in that inserting a significantly better overall player into your lineup does not necessarily mean that you make the team better.
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(03-08-2021 04:58 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 04:48 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 04:44 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 02:45 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  
(03-07-2021 06:05 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  Why would Kalu leave early? Is he on pace to graduate early?

With the upcoming (pending, but most-likely) approval for a one-time transfer waiver, which will allow student-athletes to play right away, Kalu could potentially transfer regardless of his graduation status.

If Curry and Trice (and maybe X) return, Wade comes back at full strength and Kalu stays, (God forbid he leaves. Hadn't even considered that. He's my favorite player), I think we will be pretty good too. But, I thought that this year as well. And if every other team returns the same pieces, like we hope to, I don't really see why we would finish much better than we did this year. The addition of Wade would bring us back to full strength, and maybe he is the missing piece between finishing fourth and finishing first.

Bassey will not be returning next year.

Won't Stansbury pay for someone new who is just as good as Bassey?

$tans was in bed with Bassey's "advisor." While its possible, he gets someone else that good, its highly unlikely.
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RE: Predict the MBB roster for next year (21-22)
(03-08-2021 05:07 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
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(03-08-2021 02:45 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  
(03-07-2021 06:05 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 04:40 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  That assumes Curry, Ezikpe and Trice agree to come back and not go elsewhere.

Why would Kalu leave early? Is he on pace to graduate early?

With the upcoming (pending, but most-likely) approval for a one-time transfer waiver, which will allow student-athletes to play right away, Kalu could potentially transfer regardless of his graduation status.

If Curry and Trice (and maybe X) return, Wade comes back at full strength and Kalu stays, (God forbid he leaves. Hadn't even considered that. He's my favorite player), I think we will be pretty good too. But, I thought that this year as well. And if every other team returns the same pieces, like we hope to, I don't really see why we would finish much better than we did this year. The addition of Wade would bring us back to full strength, and maybe he is the missing piece between finishing fourth and finishing first.

I'm not sure how much better Wade makes the current group. It is not to say that Wade is not a very good player, he is, but sometimes it is about pieces. This team has succeeded because it shoots better than most JJ teams. If you insert Wade and take minutes primarily from Oliver and Hunter, then the team probably is not better because they become a significantly worse shooting team. If you insert Wade and take minutes primarily from Green, Reece, Trice, then the team might be a bit better because you add a guy who is dynamic on the defensive end and get score around the rim in multiple ways. It is interesting how a team dynamic works, in that inserting a significantly better overall player into your lineup does not necessarily mean that you make the team better.

Wade being healthy is a big if either way. But, this isn't really a good ODU shooting team under "jones." this is the 3rd worst shooting team they have had under Jones.

Unless Hunter improves on his shooting in the off season, there isn't much of a difference between him and Wade. Hunter is shooting 30% this year from 3.

If Wade is healthy, he greatly improves the team as he is a very efficient scorer that greatly helps the defense. The teams defense stinks this year (relatively speaking).
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Predict the MBB roster for next year (21-22)
Another example of statistics letting you down because they don't account for teams improving our regressing. This team was dreadful for a chunk of this season. The team and Hunter have been a solid shooting team for a little while now.

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In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.
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(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

Hunter's shooting numbers have gotten better with confidence and playing time. Quit cherry-picking.

He has shot 46% from 3 since the second Marshall game.
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(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.
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(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

As my ODU Stats prof said, “there are 3 types of lies. A lie. A damn lie. And a statistic!”
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(03-09-2021 07:47 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

Hunter's shooting numbers have gotten better with confidence and playing time. Quit cherry-picking.

He has shot 46% from 3 since the second Marshall game.

Im talking about team numbers. This is one of the worst shooting teams we have had no matter how anyone looks at it.

In terms of Hunter, they have gotten better in the last handful of games but it is such a small sample that it's almost meaningless unless he can prove to do it over the course of a reasonable number of games. (Especially with the low volume)
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(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.
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(03-09-2021 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.

It’s not cherry picking, it’s demonstrating a trend. If we keep improving like that we'll be at 40% by the time we reach the Final Four.
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(03-09-2021 10:46 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.

It’s not cherry picking, it’s demonstrating a trend. If we keep improving like that we'll be at 40% by the time we reach the Final Four.

Well shoot, we shot 37% in the last 2 games, so are you sure we cant hit 45% on the way to the final four?
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(03-09-2021 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.

I am "cherrypicking" the games since the team started playing significantly better, which coincides with a vast improvement in their shooting, in order to show a correlation.

You are correct. They still are not a great shooting team, but the difference in being a bad team early in the season and being a decent team now has hinged on a very significant 6% increase in 3 point shooting percentage and that has, in no small part, been impacted by the rise of Hunter.
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(03-09-2021 11:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.

I am "cherrypicking" the games since the team started playing significantly better, which coincides with a vast improvement in their shooting, in order to show a correlation.

You are correct. They still are not a great shooting team, but the difference in being a bad team early in the season and being a decent team now has hinged on a very significant 6% increase in 3 point shooting percentage and that has, in no small part, been impacted by the rise of Hunter.

Actually, since Hunters volume is so low, it's really not a major impact on the numbers.
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(03-09-2021 11:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 11:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.

I am "cherrypicking" the games since the team started playing significantly better, which coincides with a vast improvement in their shooting, in order to show a correlation.

You are correct. They still are not a great shooting team, but the difference in being a bad team early in the season and being a decent team now has hinged on a very significant 6% increase in 3 point shooting percentage and that has, in no small part, been impacted by the rise of Hunter.

Actually, since Hunters volume is so low, it's really not a major impact on the numbers.

...unless having another player on the court that the defense has to concern themselves with from the 3 point line spreads the defense and helps others get more open looks, but that is not quantifiable with stats so I guess it doesn't exist.

Which brings us full circle to my original point that sometimes filling roles is more important than having the 5 most talented players on the court.
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(03-09-2021 10:37 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 07:47 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

Hunter's shooting numbers have gotten better with confidence and playing time. Quit cherry-picking.

He has shot 46% from 3 since the second Marshall game.

Im talking about team numbers. This is one of the worst shooting teams we have had no matter how anyone looks at it.

In terms of Hunter, they have gotten better in the last handful of games but it is such a small sample that it's almost meaningless unless he can prove to do it over the course of a reasonable number of games. (Especially with the low volume)

He has done it for just about half of the season now. Numbers are climbing for Jaylin.
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(03-09-2021 11:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 11:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 11:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.

I am "cherrypicking" the games since the team started playing significantly better, which coincides with a vast improvement in their shooting, in order to show a correlation.

You are correct. They still are not a great shooting team, but the difference in being a bad team early in the season and being a decent team now has hinged on a very significant 6% increase in 3 point shooting percentage and that has, in no small part, been impacted by the rise of Hunter.

Actually, since Hunters volume is so low, it's really not a major impact on the numbers.

...unless having another player on the court that the defense has to concern themselves with from the 3 point line spreads the defense and helps others get more open looks, but that is not quantifiable with stats so I guess it doesn't exist.

Which brings us full circle to my original point that sometimes filling roles is more important than having the 5 most talented players on the court.

Of course that would be quantifiable by stats. Why would you assume otherwise?
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(03-09-2021 11:57 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:37 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 07:47 AM)757ODU Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

Hunter's shooting numbers have gotten better with confidence and playing time. Quit cherry-picking.

He has shot 46% from 3 since the second Marshall game.

Im talking about team numbers. This is one of the worst shooting teams we have had no matter how anyone looks at it.

In terms of Hunter, they have gotten better in the last handful of games but it is such a small sample that it's almost meaningless unless he can prove to do it over the course of a reasonable number of games. (Especially with the low volume)

He has done it for just about half of the season now. Numbers are climbing for Jaylin.

If Hunter can maintain it will higher volume, it would be a big help to the team. Right now, he's average about 1- 3 pointer per game over the last half of the season (1 for 3 per game).
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(03-09-2021 11:52 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 11:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 11:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.

I am "cherrypicking" the games since the team started playing significantly better, which coincides with a vast improvement in their shooting, in order to show a correlation.

You are correct. They still are not a great shooting team, but the difference in being a bad team early in the season and being a decent team now has hinged on a very significant 6% increase in 3 point shooting percentage and that has, in no small part, been impacted by the rise of Hunter.

Actually, since Hunters volume is so low, it's really not a major impact on the numbers.

...unless having another player on the court that the defense has to concern themselves with from the 3 point line spreads the defense and helps others get more open looks, but that is not quantifiable with stats so I guess it doesn't exist.

Which brings us full circle to my original point that sometimes filling roles is more important than having the 5 most talented players on the court.

Giles's basketball knowledge seems to be limited to looking up and posting statistics. Intangibles like the impact of doubling the post, the importance of solid depth, or the effects of additional playing time on the improvement of a player seems to get lost in the fog with him.

I agree with you that the five players should all have their own rolls to fulfill in order for the team to preform at their highest level. Interchangeable parts 1-5 isn't necessarily the best thing for a basketball team.
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(03-09-2021 11:17 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:46 AM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:40 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2021 10:00 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 06:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In the last 10 games, they've shot 29% from 3.

They've shot over 35% from 3 in 2 out of the last 13 games.

I have no idea where you came up with that.

The team's transition really started in the first Charlotte game. Prior to that they were 9-5 against mostly weak competition. Since then they are 6-2 against better competition. So if we compare those first 14 games vs the last 8 games, you see a significant increase in 3pt%.

First 14: 27%
Last 8: 33%

During that same time, as 757 mentioned, we see Hunter shooting exceptionally well.

So yeah, stats can be tricky.

So if we cherrypick 8 games, it gives us a 33% 3 point shooting percentage. That would aualify as the 212th best shooting team in the country.

It’s not cherry picking, it’s demonstrating a trend. If we keep improving like that we'll be at 40% by the time we reach the Final Four.

Well shoot, we shot 37% in the last 2 games, so are you sure we cant hit 45% on the way to the final four?

Anything is possible, although I can guarantee they won’t shoot better than 100%.
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