(03-03-2021 11:50 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 11:37 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Just a tiny bit of objectivity: When you're in a weak conference, you can't lose to unranked non-conference opponents. You also can't lose to teams like Tulsa twice.

P5 schools do have an advantage in their schedule, no doubt. They still have to win. Duke is done. The stupid Last 4 was based on ESPN's hope that they would start winning. They didn't. As for Michigan State, they beat 2 top 10 teams in a week. They deserve to be on the bubble right now, but their schedule doesn't bode well for them.

Agreed...

As a conference if we want respect we are going to have to beat decent teams from other conferences...Most of the American didn't achieve that goal...Including us.

The whole thing is a sham. Let's say we beat Houston which will probably put us in the top 50 of the NET. This is how Western Kentucky and Seton Hall compare...

Western Kentucky 17-5
Q1: 2-3
Q2: 2-1
Q3: 4-1
Q4: 9-0

Seton Hall 13-11
Q1: 3-6
Q2: 3-4
Q3: 6-1
Q4: 1-0

Western Kentucky is at 76 and not even being talked about. Seton Hall is at 56 and is a lock. Seton Hall is rewarded only because it plays so many games against teams bunched at the back of each quad. Western Kentucky, in Quad 1 and Quad 2 combined, has a better record right now (4-4) than Seton Hall has in Quad 2 (3-4).

Michigan State is in according to Lunardi.

The whole thing is a scam.

(03-04-2021 09:10 AM)cmt Wrote:  If the committee had any common sense, they would have expanded the play-in games to include 16 or 32 teams, that way a team that had bad luck due to cove scheduling (And Kenpom has us at 303 or so in the Luck category) would have a fighting chance. Seed the top 48 and let 16 or 32 teams fight over the remaining spots with a 2 loss round robin the week prior to the tournament. But what do I know about it?

We are playing in a play in tourney next week.

(03-04-2021 09:10 AM)cmt Wrote:  If the committee had any common sense, they would have expanded the play-in games to include 16 or 32 teams, that way a team that had bad luck due to cove scheduling (And Kenpom has us at 303 or so in the Luck category) would have a fighting chance. Seed the top 48 and let 16 or 32 teams fight over the remaining spots with a 2 loss round robin the week prior to the tournament. But what do I know about it?

Yes

Sure eventually you have to have a number limit (I really think so and like 64)

Primarily because even while most teams have no realistic chance to win it, making the tourney itself is such a benchmark for programs, such a moment for Cinderellas, that in a year where the qualifying for that was so incredibly hampered, THIS YEAR might have dictated 96

Not next year. No rewards just for playing. Just an acknowledgement that the extreme different schedules and stops and starts makes it so much more difficult to analyze who are the best X number of non automatic qualifiers

There will still be 68 (4 too much I think) and 16 in a smaller NIT but I think they missed the beat this year. Football playoffs did too

This year is exposing the fact that Loonardi is really bad at his job.

(03-03-2021 04:58 PM)Stammers Wrote:  40 Georgia Tech - 4 byes
42 St. Louis - 4 out
43 Boise - 4 out
45 Loserville - 4 byes
47 Utah State - 4 out
52 Seton Hall - 4 in
53 Xavier - 4 in
57 Duke - 4 out
54 SMU - next 4 out
56 Memphis - next 4 out
71 Michigan State - 4 in

Here's that with the Kenpom/NET ranking:
36/49 - Penn State - 9-13, Q1: 2-11 (Not in)
38/58 - Duke - 11-10, Q1: 2-4 (First 4 out)
39/60 - Indiana - 12-13, Q1: 2-10 (Not in)
40/55 - Memphis - 15-6, Q1: 0-2 (Next 4 out)
42/43 - St Louis - 13-5, Q1: 1-0 (First 4 out)
45/47 - Utah State - 15-7, Q1: 2-4 (First 4 out)
46/50 - Louisville - 13-5, Q1: 1-4 (10 seed)
48/54 - SMU - 11-4, Q1: 0-3 (Next 4 out)
50/56 - Seton Hall - 13-11, Q1: 3-6 (First 4 out)
52/41 - Drake - 22-3, Q1: 1-1 (Last 4 in)
53/57 - Ole Miss - 14-10, Q1: 3-4 (Next 4 out)
54/51 - Syracuse - 15-8, Q1: 1-6 (Next 4 out)
56/53 - Xavier - 13-6, Q1: 2-2 (Last 4 in)
57/44 - Boise State - 17-7, Q1: 2-4 (Last 4 in)
60/72 - Michigan State - 14-10, Q1: 4-8 (Last 4 in)

(03-04-2021 10:06 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:58 PM)Stammers Wrote:  40 Georgia Tech - 4 byes
42 St. Louis - 4 out
43 Boise - 4 out
45 Loserville - 4 byes
47 Utah State - 4 out
52 Seton Hall - 4 in
53 Xavier - 4 in
57 Duke - 4 out
54 SMU - next 4 out
56 Memphis - next 4 out
71 Michigan State - 4 in

Here's that with the Kenpom/NET ranking:
36/49 - Penn State - 9-13, Q1: 2-11 (Not in)
38/58 - Duke - 11-10, Q1: 2-4 (First 4 out)
39/60 - Indiana - 12-13, Q1: 2-10 (Not in)
40/55 - Memphis - 15-6, Q1: 0-2 (Next 4 out)
42/43 - St Louis - 13-5, Q1: 1-0 (First 4 out)
45/47 - Utah State - 15-7, Q1: 2-4 (First 4 out)
46/50 - Louisville - 13-5, Q1: 1-4 (10 seed)
48/54 - SMU - 11-4, Q1: 0-3 (Next 4 out)
50/56 - Seton Hall - 13-11, Q1: 3-6 (First 4 out)
52/41 - Drake - 22-3, Q1: 1-1 (Last 4 in)
53/57 - Ole Miss - 14-10, Q1: 3-4 (Next 4 out)
54/51 - Syracuse - 15-8, Q1: 1-6 (Next 4 out)
56/53 - Xavier - 13-6, Q1: 2-2 (Last 4 in)
57/44 - Boise State - 17-7, Q1: 2-4 (Last 4 in)
60/72 - Michigan State - 14-10, Q1: 4-8 (Last 4 in)

Michigan State, 20/17 below us, with 7 double digit losses (30,30,25,18,17,14,10) against some not great teams. They are in and we are at least 5th out. Disgusting.

Next Four Out, Last Four Out...out is out, someone needs to tell that idiot that there is no difference

(03-03-2021 04:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 11:37 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Just a tiny bit of objectivity: When you're in a weak conference, you can't lose to unranked non-conference opponents. You also can't lose to teams like Tulsa twice.

It's not a "weak conference". It's a "non-P5" conference.
We're ranked as the #7 conference out of 34.
We are allowed to lose a game here and there - just like everyone. Especially when we don't have Deandre fully acclimated.
Gotta get past this tv narrative that they use to brainwash.

THIS! The NCAA isn't here to create a level playing field. It's here to put off the illusion that they have created a level playing field while funneling money where they want it funneled. Be not confused folks.

(03-04-2021 10:06 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:58 PM)Stammers Wrote:  40 Georgia Tech - 4 byes
42 St. Louis - 4 out
43 Boise - 4 out
45 Loserville - 4 byes
47 Utah State - 4 out
52 Seton Hall - 4 in
53 Xavier - 4 in
57 Duke - 4 out
54 SMU - next 4 out
56 Memphis - next 4 out
71 Michigan State - 4 in

Here's that with the Kenpom/NET ranking:
36/49 - Penn State - 9-13, Q1: 2-11 (Not in)
38/58 - Duke - 11-10, Q1: 2-4 (First 4 out)
39/60 - Indiana - 12-13, Q1: 2-10 (Not in)
40/55 - Memphis - 15-6, Q1: 0-2 (Next 4 out)
42/43 - St Louis - 13-5, Q1: 1-0 (First 4 out)
45/47 - Utah State - 15-7, Q1: 2-4 (First 4 out)
46/50 - Louisville - 13-5, Q1: 1-4 (10 seed)
48/54 - SMU - 11-4, Q1: 0-3 (Next 4 out)
50/56 - Seton Hall - 13-11, Q1: 3-6 (First 4 out)
52/41 - Drake - 22-3, Q1: 1-1 (Last 4 in)
53/57 - Ole Miss - 14-10, Q1: 3-4 (Next 4 out)
54/51 - Syracuse - 15-8, Q1: 1-6 (Next 4 out)
56/53 - Xavier - 13-6, Q1: 2-2 (Last 4 in)
57/44 - Boise State - 17-7, Q1: 2-4 (Last 4 in)
60/72 - Michigan State - 14-10, Q1: 4-8 (Last 4 in)

Ton of circular logic in the Net and quality wins.

You win @ 9-13 Penn State , 12-13 Indiana, 8-15 UK, 12-14 Auburn or 13-13 Minnesota it is considered a quad 1 win...Yet none of these teams are considered good teams.

Beat a 16-10 Wisky team at home...Q1...Come on...Really.

So why do you get any extra credit for beating them...Everyone is doing it.

(03-04-2021 12:13 PM)gusrob Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:42 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 11:37 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  Just a tiny bit of objectivity: When you're in a weak conference, you can't lose to unranked non-conference opponents. You also can't lose to teams like Tulsa twice.

It's not a "weak conference". It's a "non-P5" conference.
We're ranked as the #7 conference out of 34.
We are allowed to lose a game here and there - just like everyone. Especially when we don't have Deandre fully acclimated.
Gotta get past this tv narrative that they use to brainwash.

THIS! The NCAA isn't here to create a level playing field. It's here to put off the illusion that they have created a level playing field while funneling money where they want it funneled. Be not confused folks.

Truth.

(03-03-2021 10:00 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 09:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 05:35 PM)mempho_to_diego Wrote:  Gonzaga gonna win it anyways ... they can let all the "blue bloods" in from "big conferences"

Can remember several supposed "dominate" teams not winning it. Suppose that's why they call it March Madness & why the games have to be played.

Agreed...

It only takes 1 guy to catch fire to put a top team in jeopardy

Yeah, and this year even moreso. All it takes is one player to wreck a run.

Y'all take Gonzaga and I'll take the field.

(03-04-2021 12:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 10:06 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 04:58 PM)Stammers Wrote:  40 Georgia Tech - 4 byes
42 St. Louis - 4 out
43 Boise - 4 out
45 Loserville - 4 byes
47 Utah State - 4 out
52 Seton Hall - 4 in
53 Xavier - 4 in
57 Duke - 4 out
54 SMU - next 4 out
56 Memphis - next 4 out
71 Michigan State - 4 in

Here's that with the Kenpom/NET ranking:
36/49 - Penn State - 9-13, Q1: 2-11 (Not in)
38/58 - Duke - 11-10, Q1: 2-4 (First 4 out)
39/60 - Indiana - 12-13, Q1: 2-10 (Not in)
40/55 - Memphis - 15-6, Q1: 0-2 (Next 4 out)
42/43 - St Louis - 13-5, Q1: 1-0 (First 4 out)
45/47 - Utah State - 15-7, Q1: 2-4 (First 4 out)
46/50 - Louisville - 13-5, Q1: 1-4 (10 seed)
48/54 - SMU - 11-4, Q1: 0-3 (Next 4 out)
50/56 - Seton Hall - 13-11, Q1: 3-6 (First 4 out)
52/41 - Drake - 22-3, Q1: 1-1 (Last 4 in)
53/57 - Ole Miss - 14-10, Q1: 3-4 (Next 4 out)
54/51 - Syracuse - 15-8, Q1: 1-6 (Next 4 out)
56/53 - Xavier - 13-6, Q1: 2-2 (Last 4 in)
57/44 - Boise State - 17-7, Q1: 2-4 (Last 4 in)
60/72 - Michigan State - 14-10, Q1: 4-8 (Last 4 in)

Ton of circular logic in the Net and quality wins.

You win @ 9-13 Penn State , 12-13 Indiana, 8-15 UK, 12-14 Auburn or 13-13 Minnesota it is considered a quad 1 win...Yet none of these teams are considered good teams.

Beat a 16-10 Wisky team at home...Q1...Come on...Really.

So why do you get any extra credit for beating them...Everyone is doing it.

The $EC has always worked the system to perfection, and now the Big Ten is following suit. The formula is to have a couple of legitimately good teams carry the load, and fill the bottom feeders with a horrible non conference schedule. They play 75% cupcakes and win most, while losing most against halfway decent competition.

(03-03-2021 11:39 PM)Mimi Wrote:  We will beat Houston Sunday

Then what?

2 seed in tourney which would mean if seeds hold we play them again in the semis

Lose then and out?

Win out kids

We beat Houston once, and we're in.
Ike told me so.
And I believe it.

(03-04-2021 01:39 AM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 10:09 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(03-03-2021 09:47 AM)gusrob Wrote:  As Penny said in post-game presser, the narrative for Kentucky and Duke is "this team sure is improving" and "They're getting hot at the right time."

Why do we get a different scale/criteria?

NCAA is such a sham. I hope we win and rub their noses in it. We need to keep recruiting and program building momentum moving in the right direction.

One of the announcers last night gave us a B- for only winning by 21 on the opponents floor. Earlier, one of the nitwits said Memphis wasn’t playing well and it was Tulane’s bad play that gave us that lead. Apparently, they felt Tulane’s inadequate offense had nothing to do with facing the #1 defense in the country.

I guess I misheard as I thought the B- was for the whole season. Considering how bad the offense was the first half of the season, a B- it was a fair grade. Again assuming it being for the whole season.

Nah, they were talking about that game. Because she referred to allowing USF to "hang around" and "the 10 missed FTs".

(03-04-2021 12:11 PM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Next Four Out, Last Four Out...out is out, someone needs to tell that idiot that there is no difference

This year there might be. The NCAA originally said they would have 4 replacement teams for any team that had a COVID shutdown after seeding but before play started. Those would be the "first 4 out".
Now, evidently, they are reconsidering that plan.

(03-04-2021 09:34 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 09:10 AM)cmt Wrote:  If the committee had any common sense, they would have expanded the play-in games to include 16 or 32 teams, that way a team that had bad luck due to cove scheduling (And Kenpom has us at 303 or so in the Luck category) would have a fighting chance. Seed the top 48 and let 16 or 32 teams fight over the remaining spots with a 2 loss round robin the week prior to the tournament. But what do I know about it?

We are playing in a play in tourney next week.

Hopefully it isn't "Long Day's Journey into Night" or "The Comedy of Errors." I'm personally pulling for "All's Well That Ends Well."

Oh snap

On 6/107 now
Moving’ on up

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

I hope we smash Houston Sunday, then run through the conference tournament and get a 10 seed and play Huggy Bear as the 2.

(03-05-2021 09:08 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I hope we smash Houston Sunday, then run through the conference tournament and get a 10 seed and play Huggy Bear as the 2.

Lol.. WVU is basically the worst matchup imaginable for our team. They are used to pressure and if you think our guys have trouble finishing through contact now - i cant imagine them hitting a single contested layup vs WVU physicality

(03-05-2021 10:28 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 09:08 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I hope we smash Houston Sunday, then run through the conference tournament and get a 10 seed and play Huggy Bear as the 2.

Lol.. WVU is basically the worst matchup imaginable for our team. They are used to pressure and if you think our guys have trouble finishing through contact now - i cant imagine them hitting a single contested layup vs WVU physicality

I used the 2 seeds in the above mentioned bracketmatrix post. So WVU, Iowa, OSU, and Bama. Four really tough matchups. I get we're looking WAY down the road but always fun to dream.