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RE: um....about them 'vaccines'....yeah
(11-01-2023 08:28 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(09-01-2023 09:21 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  As I understand the new Texas laws, this is precisely the issue. An individual can set whatever rules they want... but a government cannot. This is mostly inherent in the fact that the previous mandates were only allowed under the 'state of emergency' powers.

I thought about the above a bit more...

I am wondering, in the absence of a federal mandate... only lawful under emergency powers acts which no longer exist... if those who support a private entity denying service or entrance to someone who doesn't follow their rules to wear a mask would similarly support other 'denials of service' for other reasons? I mean, I've heard some more extreme people suggest that people be denied service at a restaurant for being a Republican... yet those same people get up in arms if someone is denied a CUSTOM service (not general service, but 'participation') for similar reasons.

In general, I think that anyone should be able to do business with whomever they wish, and not do business with whomever they wish. General, or custom.

There are absolutely legal prohibitions that dont allow my full viewpoint. Civil rights and other racial/ ethnic/ origin laws based in the language of the 14th Amendment. And I wouldnt urge anyone to violate those laws.

Not just 'do business' --- which is rooted in the 1st Amendment of freedom of association -- but also 'allow into or onto property' -- rooted in the combination of private property rights and the previous 1A right noted above.

The second issue is that I wouldnt personally *deny* services typically on such a thin basis. Kind of stupid to do so. All I would hurt is myself. But I wouldnt begrudge anyone from doing that sort of 'self-limiting' of themselves.

Quote:I know that the liberals on here don't support that sort of thing... so I am not asking them to defend it personally... I am asking if they can provide any insight into the strained gymnastics that those people (closer to them than to me) are engaging in and why we can't align against such extremists for the greater good, even though we disagree on what that good looks like... we agree that 'that' is not it.

I think the issue is based on the difference in the role of collectivism vs the concepts of individual ordered liberty (that is those things roughly outlined in the Bill of Rights).

In the opposite manner that I look at it, many of the people I know that subscribe to the 'how dare they keep Biden voters from their diner' seem to hold a strangely parallel yet at the end opposite result than what I say is my viewpoint.

They subscribe fully to the 'They wouldnt personally deny stuff to others' that I say above, but in conjunction think that the 'I wouldnt' should also transform into the form of 'I wouldn't, therefore no one should'.
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RE: um....about them 'vaccines'....yeah
(11-01-2023 09:59 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(11-01-2023 08:28 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  ... why we can't align against such extremists for the greater good, even though we disagree on what that good looks like... we agree that 'that' is not it.

That is the tougher question. Why liberals and conservatives insist on bickering with each other, rather than making common cause against "progressives" and their right-wing mirror twins, is a mystery, an enduring shame, and (worst of all) one of the most pernicious threats to liberty in our time.

Because the numbers in the 'progressives and their right-wing mirror twins' in the aggregate probably now exceed the numbers of 'liberals and conservatives'.

The extremes have ballooned exponentially starting with Obama 1, and continuing apace throughout.

Quick question George -- what do you consider 'liberal' and what do you consider 'conservative'? I have become very convinced that those terms are nothing more than autonomic knee twitch statements at this juncture of our time. Actually -- consider that an open question to the board at large.....
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RE: um....about them 'vaccines'....yeah
(11-01-2023 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(11-01-2023 09:59 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  That is the tougher question. Why liberals and conservatives insist on bickering with each other, rather than making common cause against "progressives" and their right-wing mirror twins, is a mystery, an enduring shame, and (worst of all) one of the most pernicious threats to liberty in our time.

10,000,000,000,000,000x yes to the bolded.

True... but recall the 'fine people on both sides' comment... Trump repeatedly spoke of bad people on the right... of neo-nazis... of racists... and also bad people on the left... people there to be very violent...

I bring it up because on the whole, if you read the entire text... it WAS a very balanced position... leaning right for certain, but not 'all' right... but the press especially decided that anyone who was against the progressive agenda to 'erase' some history was doing so because they were racists... and we didn't just let them get away with it, but we (at least some of us) encouraged it. Of course it also happens the other way... but this is one of the clearest examples where we all can see exactly what was said, but also remember what was 'talked about'.

The left (as a whole, not individually) just seems to never be willing to let a chance to accuse the right of being racist go... even when such obvious examples of those opportunities exist. I'll let the left characterize the right's version of this... which I do not in any way deny exists... but this one belongs to the left.

In addition to this, each side seems to require that the other 'fall on their swords' with no reason to expect that the other will reciprocate.
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(11-01-2023 03:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(11-01-2023 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(11-01-2023 09:59 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  That is the tougher question. Why liberals and conservatives insist on bickering with each other, rather than making common cause against "progressives" and their right-wing mirror twins, is a mystery, an enduring shame, and (worst of all) one of the most pernicious threats to liberty in our time.

10,000,000,000,000,000x yes to the bolded.

True... but recall the 'fine people on both sides' comment... Trump repeatedly spoke of bad people on the right... of neo-nazis... of racists... and also bad people on the left... people there to be very violent...

I bring it up because on the whole, if you read the entire text... it WAS a very balanced position... leaning right for certain, but not 'all' right... but the press especially decided that anyone who was against the progressive agenda to 'erase' some history was doing so because they were racists... and we didn't just let them get away with it, but we (at least some of us) encouraged it. Of course it also happens the other way... but this is one of the clearest examples where we all can see exactly what was said, but also remember what was 'talked about'.

The left (as a whole, not individually) just seems to never be willing to let a chance to accuse the right of being racist go... even when such obvious examples of those opportunities exist. I'll let the left characterize the right's version of this... which I do not in any way deny exists... but this one belongs to the left.

In addition to this, each side seems to require that the other 'fall on their swords' with no reason to expect that the other will reciprocate.

Only after a background check and a waiting period to pick up their new sword.
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(11-01-2023 01:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Quick question George -- what do you consider 'liberal' and what do you consider 'conservative'?
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Actually -- consider that an open question to the board at large.....

I have a pretty thoughtful answer in mind, but it won't be quick!

(11-01-2023 01:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I have become very convinced that those terms are nothing more than autonomic knee twitch statements at this juncture of our time.

I assure you that I don't use them that way, but alas, linguistic clarity is a constant rear-guard action. :(
Sadly, some of the lesser minds in the Parliament have gleefully ridiculed the very attempt.
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(11-01-2023 05:55 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(11-01-2023 01:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Quick question George -- what do you consider 'liberal' and what do you consider 'conservative'?
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Actually -- consider that an open question to the board at large.....

I have a pretty thoughtful answer in mind, but it won't be quick!

(11-01-2023 01:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I have become very convinced that those terms are nothing more than autonomic knee twitch statements at this juncture of our time.

I assure you that I don't use them that way, but alas, linguistic clarity is a constant rear-guard action. :(
Sadly, some of the lesser minds in the Parliament have gleefully ridiculed the very attempt.

I'd be happy to read your comments on 'liberal' and 'conservative'.
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(11-01-2023 06:43 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-01-2023 05:55 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(11-01-2023 01:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Quick question George -- what do you consider 'liberal' and what do you consider 'conservative'?
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Actually -- consider that an open question to the board at large.....

I have a pretty thoughtful answer in mind, but it won't be quick!

(11-01-2023 01:39 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I have become very convinced that those terms are nothing more than autonomic knee twitch statements at this juncture of our time.

I assure you that I don't use them that way, but alas, linguistic clarity is a constant rear-guard action. :(
Sadly, some of the lesser minds in the Parliament have gleefully ridiculed the very attempt.

I'd be happy to read your comments on 'liberal' and 'conservative'.

I also would like to hear George's thoughts on "liberal" and "conservative"

Personally, I think Red Team and Blue Team define the groups better.

Or, respectively, pragmatic vs. idealistic.
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liberal and conservative to me are not polar opposites. I consider my self a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative... by that I mean I believe in individual liberty... do whatever you want... government be damned... just don't harm or impede anyone else from doing the same. I am conservative in that I don't personally do especially 'liberal' things.... and if you ask me what I think is 'correct', of course I'm going to mostly represent my own conservative views.

I'd also like to hear from George
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"Liberal" and "conservative" are terms that have been defined differently in Europe and in the USA, and that has led to at least some confusion.

In Europe, a "conservative" was historically someone who supported the divine right of kings, the state church (be it Roman Catholic or Protestant), and generally a strong central government--the three pillars of feudalism. A "liberal" in that context was someone who supported smaller government and greater personal liberty and freedom--a "classical liberal," or in modern USA terminology a libertarian. In modern times, a third set of beliefs, those of "labor" have taken over in much of Europe--characterized by lots of social welfare legislation. Much of Europe went over to socialism after WWII, but many of the European countries have swung back becuase that model proved unworkable in the real world.

The USA started out with a Constitution that prescribed a smaller and less powerfu central government than had been the case for centuries in Europe. A "conservative" was therefore someone who supported smaller government and more liberty and freedom--basically a European liberal. The USA didn't really have a "liberal" wing of its own until the New Deal when Roosevelt started experiementing with a lot of social welfare programs, basically emulating the "labor" parties in Europe, but not going as far as socialism--at least not until now. A couple of elements have joined the "conservative" side in response. One would be the neoconservatives, who favored generally liberal social policy but strong on national defense and law and order, who were democrats (and very instrumental in winning WWII) until about the 1960s when the antiwar and drug culture among the younger generation drove them over to the repubican side. The other would be Evangelical Christians, who paralleled the European conservatives who supported the state church.

Because the USA never had a monarchy, there is really no equivalent to the European pro-monarchy conservatives. The republicans could be kind of the USA equivalent of the classical liberals, but the neocons and Evangelicals have exerted pressure in different directions. The democrats are moving closer and closer to the European socialist labor parties.
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OB-GYN Drops Alarming Miscarriage Data Before Congress: “I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Dr. Kimberly Biss, an OB-GYN who has been involved in 8,000 pregnancies, details how miscarriage rates have doubled year-over-year since the introduction of the COVID-19 injections.

[Image: 6552dcec525ddc0f899e927e_https%253A%252F...62x766.png]

Quote:The above chart shows the number of miscarriages (orange) compared to the number of new patients (blue) that Dr. Biss received for each particular year. Dr. Biss testified before Congress that her miscarriage rate in 2020 was about 4%. That number doubled in 2021 to approximately 7 to 8%. Alarmingly, the miscarriage rate doubled again in 2022, all the way up to a staggering 15%.

[Image: 6552dcecc8a1dc04a1c57882_https%253A%252F...74x996.png]

Quote:Miscarriage Rate vs. Historical Context

“What’s quoted in my obstetric textbook and in some articles is that a normal miscarriage rate is 13% to 15%. I’ve never seen that clinically,” attested Dr. Biss. She shared a comprehensive study performed by Naert and colleagues, which found the average miscarriage rate to be 5.39%. “And even that’s a little high,” remarked Dr. Biss. The miscarriage rate in her practice was only 4% for the year 2020.

“I’ve Never Seen This Before”
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(11-14-2023 10:43 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  OB-GYN Drops Alarming Miscarriage Data Before Congress: “I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Dr. Kimberly Biss, an OB-GYN who has been involved in 8,000 pregnancies, details how miscarriage rates have doubled year-over-year since the introduction of the COVID-19 injections.

[Image: 6552dcec525ddc0f899e927e_https%253A%252F...62x766.png]

Quote:The above chart shows the number of miscarriages (orange) compared to the number of new patients (blue) that Dr. Biss received for each particular year. Dr. Biss testified before Congress that her miscarriage rate in 2020 was about 4%. That number doubled in 2021 to approximately 7 to 8%. Alarmingly, the miscarriage rate doubled again in 2022, all the way up to a staggering 15%.

[Image: 6552dcecc8a1dc04a1c57882_https%253A%252F...74x996.png]

Quote:Miscarriage Rate vs. Historical Context

“What’s quoted in my obstetric textbook and in some articles is that a normal miscarriage rate is 13% to 15%. I’ve never seen that clinically,” attested Dr. Biss. She shared a comprehensive study performed by Naert and colleagues, which found the average miscarriage rate to be 5.39%. “And even that’s a little high,” remarked Dr. Biss. The miscarriage rate in her practice was only 4% for the year 2020.

“I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Why the world would we be interested in the miscarriage rates of a single doctor's practice (regardless as to whether that doctor has a vaccine axe to grind). It's not like it's difficult to monitor miscarriage rates and if you wanted to comment as to the affects of the vaccine certainly there is readily available data to do so. This anecdotal BS is simply useless. SO MANY confounding variables that aren't taken into account.

The fact that this doctor put forth this data with a straight face either tells me that she's an idiot or that she's hopelessly biased. This is about as far from science as one can get. Did she not even go to the trouble or correlating rate of miscarriage in women with/without the vaccine? If you are going to provide anecdotal stories at least address the obvious question.

And to say that this was "presented before congress" is an absolute joke. It looks like a janky hotel conference room with card tables and plastic tablecloths from the Dollar Store. The fact that MTG was running this show doesn't equal "presented before congress".

This is one of your more ridiculous COVID posts and that is truly saying something. My God... like Haley said I get stupider every time you post on this topic.
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(11-15-2023 09:33 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(11-14-2023 10:43 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  OB-GYN Drops Alarming Miscarriage Data Before Congress: “I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Dr. Kimberly Biss, an OB-GYN who has been involved in 8,000 pregnancies, details how miscarriage rates have doubled year-over-year since the introduction of the COVID-19 injections.

[Image: 6552dcec525ddc0f899e927e_https%253A%252F...62x766.png]

Quote:The above chart shows the number of miscarriages (orange) compared to the number of new patients (blue) that Dr. Biss received for each particular year. Dr. Biss testified before Congress that her miscarriage rate in 2020 was about 4%. That number doubled in 2021 to approximately 7 to 8%. Alarmingly, the miscarriage rate doubled again in 2022, all the way up to a staggering 15%.

[Image: 6552dcecc8a1dc04a1c57882_https%253A%252F...74x996.png]

Quote:Miscarriage Rate vs. Historical Context

“What’s quoted in my obstetric textbook and in some articles is that a normal miscarriage rate is 13% to 15%. I’ve never seen that clinically,” attested Dr. Biss. She shared a comprehensive study performed by Naert and colleagues, which found the average miscarriage rate to be 5.39%. “And even that’s a little high,” remarked Dr. Biss. The miscarriage rate in her practice was only 4% for the year 2020.

“I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Why the world would we be interested in the miscarriage rates of a single doctor's practice (regardless as to whether that doctor has a vaccine axe to grind). It's not like it's difficult to monitor miscarriage rates and if you wanted to comment as to the affects of the vaccine certainly there is readily available data to do so. This anecdotal BS is simply useless. SO MANY confounding variables that aren't taken into account.

The fact that this doctor put forth this data with a straight face either tells me that she's an idiot or that she's hopelessly biased. This is about as far from science as one can get. Did she not even go to the trouble or correlating rate of miscarriage in women with/without the vaccine? If you are going to provide anecdotal stories at least address the obvious question.

And to say that this was "presented before congress" is an absolute joke. It looks like a janky hotel conference room with card tables and plastic tablecloths from the Dollar Store. The fact that MTG was running this show doesn't equal "presented before congress".

This is one of your more ridiculous COVID posts and that is truly saying something. My God... like Haley said I get stupider every time you post on this topic.

Stop dissing the Dollar Store.
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(11-15-2023 02:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-15-2023 09:33 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(11-14-2023 10:43 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  OB-GYN Drops Alarming Miscarriage Data Before Congress: “I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Dr. Kimberly Biss, an OB-GYN who has been involved in 8,000 pregnancies, details how miscarriage rates have doubled year-over-year since the introduction of the COVID-19 injections.

[Image: 6552dcec525ddc0f899e927e_https%253A%252F...62x766.png]

Quote:The above chart shows the number of miscarriages (orange) compared to the number of new patients (blue) that Dr. Biss received for each particular year. Dr. Biss testified before Congress that her miscarriage rate in 2020 was about 4%. That number doubled in 2021 to approximately 7 to 8%. Alarmingly, the miscarriage rate doubled again in 2022, all the way up to a staggering 15%.

[Image: 6552dcecc8a1dc04a1c57882_https%253A%252F...74x996.png]

Quote:Miscarriage Rate vs. Historical Context

“What’s quoted in my obstetric textbook and in some articles is that a normal miscarriage rate is 13% to 15%. I’ve never seen that clinically,” attested Dr. Biss. She shared a comprehensive study performed by Naert and colleagues, which found the average miscarriage rate to be 5.39%. “And even that’s a little high,” remarked Dr. Biss. The miscarriage rate in her practice was only 4% for the year 2020.

“I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Why the world would we be interested in the miscarriage rates of a single doctor's practice (regardless as to whether that doctor has a vaccine axe to grind). It's not like it's difficult to monitor miscarriage rates and if you wanted to comment as to the affects of the vaccine certainly there is readily available data to do so. This anecdotal BS is simply useless. SO MANY confounding variables that aren't taken into account.

The fact that this doctor put forth this data with a straight face either tells me that she's an idiot or that she's hopelessly biased. This is about as far from science as one can get. Did she not even go to the trouble or correlating rate of miscarriage in women with/without the vaccine? If you are going to provide anecdotal stories at least address the obvious question.

And to say that this was "presented before congress" is an absolute joke. It looks like a janky hotel conference room with card tables and plastic tablecloths from the Dollar Store. The fact that MTG was running this show doesn't equal "presented before congress".

This is one of your more ridiculous COVID posts and that is truly saying something. My God... like Haley said I get stupider every time you post on this topic.

Stop dissing the Dollar Store.

Dude, I love the Dollar Store!
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(11-15-2023 02:53 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(11-15-2023 02:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-15-2023 09:33 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(11-14-2023 10:43 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  OB-GYN Drops Alarming Miscarriage Data Before Congress: “I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Dr. Kimberly Biss, an OB-GYN who has been involved in 8,000 pregnancies, details how miscarriage rates have doubled year-over-year since the introduction of the COVID-19 injections.

[Image: 6552dcec525ddc0f899e927e_https%253A%252F...62x766.png]

Quote:The above chart shows the number of miscarriages (orange) compared to the number of new patients (blue) that Dr. Biss received for each particular year. Dr. Biss testified before Congress that her miscarriage rate in 2020 was about 4%. That number doubled in 2021 to approximately 7 to 8%. Alarmingly, the miscarriage rate doubled again in 2022, all the way up to a staggering 15%.

[Image: 6552dcecc8a1dc04a1c57882_https%253A%252F...74x996.png]

Quote:Miscarriage Rate vs. Historical Context

“What’s quoted in my obstetric textbook and in some articles is that a normal miscarriage rate is 13% to 15%. I’ve never seen that clinically,” attested Dr. Biss. She shared a comprehensive study performed by Naert and colleagues, which found the average miscarriage rate to be 5.39%. “And even that’s a little high,” remarked Dr. Biss. The miscarriage rate in her practice was only 4% for the year 2020.

“I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Why the world would we be interested in the miscarriage rates of a single doctor's practice (regardless as to whether that doctor has a vaccine axe to grind). It's not like it's difficult to monitor miscarriage rates and if you wanted to comment as to the affects of the vaccine certainly there is readily available data to do so. This anecdotal BS is simply useless. SO MANY confounding variables that aren't taken into account.

The fact that this doctor put forth this data with a straight face either tells me that she's an idiot or that she's hopelessly biased. This is about as far from science as one can get. Did she not even go to the trouble or correlating rate of miscarriage in women with/without the vaccine? If you are going to provide anecdotal stories at least address the obvious question.

And to say that this was "presented before congress" is an absolute joke. It looks like a janky hotel conference room with card tables and plastic tablecloths from the Dollar Store. The fact that MTG was running this show doesn't equal "presented before congress".

This is one of your more ridiculous COVID posts and that is truly saying something. My God... like Haley said I get stupider every time you post on this topic.

Stop dissing the Dollar Store.

Dude, I love the Dollar Store!

When I started using readers (well early on, due to being a computer programmer and in law school), I could never keep a pair handy -- losing them or crushing them.

Pissed me off to no end because everytime that happened it was 10 bucks. (now 20).

Then.... the clouds lifted, and the majestic trumpets played.... when the magic doors of Dollar Store revealed the magic of DS to me.

Now -- once a year I drop 20 bucks. 20 pairs of readers for the year. One on the nightstand, one on the desk, one in the car, one in the kitchen, and one each in my briefcase and overnight backpack. And 15 other pairs to fill the voids as sacrifices for the year.

Just on that basis I am a DS acolyte.
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(11-15-2023 03:04 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-15-2023 02:53 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(11-15-2023 02:20 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(11-15-2023 09:33 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(11-14-2023 10:43 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  OB-GYN Drops Alarming Miscarriage Data Before Congress: “I’ve Never Seen This Before”

Dr. Kimberly Biss, an OB-GYN who has been involved in 8,000 pregnancies, details how miscarriage rates have doubled year-over-year since the introduction of the COVID-19 injections.

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Why the world would we be interested in the miscarriage rates of a single doctor's practice (regardless as to whether that doctor has a vaccine axe to grind). It's not like it's difficult to monitor miscarriage rates and if you wanted to comment as to the affects of the vaccine certainly there is readily available data to do so. This anecdotal BS is simply useless. SO MANY confounding variables that aren't taken into account.

The fact that this doctor put forth this data with a straight face either tells me that she's an idiot or that she's hopelessly biased. This is about as far from science as one can get. Did she not even go to the trouble or correlating rate of miscarriage in women with/without the vaccine? If you are going to provide anecdotal stories at least address the obvious question.

And to say that this was "presented before congress" is an absolute joke. It looks like a janky hotel conference room with card tables and plastic tablecloths from the Dollar Store. The fact that MTG was running this show doesn't equal "presented before congress".

This is one of your more ridiculous COVID posts and that is truly saying something. My God... like Haley said I get stupider every time you post on this topic.

Stop dissing the Dollar Store.

Dude, I love the Dollar Store!

When I started using readers (well early on, due to being a computer programmer and in law school), I could never keep a pair handy -- losing them or crushing them.

Pissed me off to no end because everytime that happened it was 10 bucks. (now 20).

Then.... the clouds lifted, and the majestic trumpets played.... when the magic doors of Dollar Store revealed the magic of DS to me.

Now -- once a year I drop 20 bucks. 20 pairs of readers for the year. One on the nightstand, one on the desk, one in the car, one in the kitchen, and one each in my briefcase and overnight backpack. And 15 other pairs to fill the voids as sacrifices for the year.

Just on that basis I am a DS acolyte.

Pre-movie Dollar Store candy FTW!
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British Medical Journal Original research: Child mask mandates for COVID-19: a systematic review


Quote:WHAT IS ALREADY KNOWN ON THIS TOPIC

Child mask mandates have been extensively used as a public health measure during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Masking recommendations appear to be entirely based on mechanistic and observational data, and a systematic review assessing the evidence has not been performed.

WHAT THIS STUDY ADDS

In this systematic review, 16 studies found no effect of mask wearing on infection or trasmission, while six studies reporting a protective assocation had critical or serious risk of bias.

Because benefits of masking for COVID-19 have not been identified, it should be recognised that mask recommendations for children are not supported by scientific evidence.

HOW THIS STUDY MIGHT AFFECT RESEARCH, PRACTICE OR POLICY

COVID-19-related policy recommendations should be informed by high-quality evidence and consider the possibility of harm, especially for children, who are vulnerable and an ethically protected group.

Healthcare providers and adults working with children should be educated about the absence of high-quality data supporting masking to lower SARS-CoV-2 infection and transmission risks.

Because absence of harm is not established, recommending child masking does not meet the accepted practice of promulgating only medical interventions where benefits clearly outweigh harms.

Conclusions Real-world effectiveness of child mask mandates against SARS-CoV-2 transmission or infection has not been demonstrated with high-quality evidence. The current body of scientific data does not support masking children for protection against COVID-19.
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Quote:“I gathered all vaccine ingredients into a list and contacted Poison Control. After intros and such, and asking to speak with someone tenured and knowledgeable, this is the gist of that conversation.

Me: My question to you is how are these ingredients categorized? As benign or poison? (I ran a few ingredients, formaldehyde, Tween 80, mercury, aluminum, phenoxyethanol, potassium phosphate, sodium phosphate, sorbitol, etc.)

He: Well, that's quite a list... But I'd have to easily say that they're all toxic to humans... Used in fertilizers... Pesticides... To stop the heart... To preserve a dead body... They're registered with us in different categories, but pretty much poisons. Why?

Me: If I were deliberately to feed or inject my child with these ingredients often, as a schedule, obviously I'd put my daughter in harm's way... But what would legally happen to me?

He: Odd question... But you'd likely be charged with criminal negligence... perhaps with intent to kill... and of course child abuse... Your child would be taken away from you... Do you know of someone's who's doing this to their child? This is criminal...

Me: An industry... These are the ingredients used in vaccines... With binding agents to make sure the body won't flush these out... To keep the antibody levels up indefinitely...

The man was beside himself. He asked if I would email him all this information. He wanted to share it with his adult kids who are parents. He was horrified and felt awful he didn't know... his kids are vaccinated and they have health issues...”

~ By Iris Figueroa

Here are just SOME vaccine ingredients present in routine vaccines:

️Formaldehyde/Formalin - Highly toxic systematic poison and carcinogen.

️Betapropiolactone - Toxic chemical and carcinogen. May cause death/permanant injury after very short exposure to small quantities. Corrosive chemical.

️Hexadecyltrimethylammonium bromide - May cause damage to the liver, cardiovascular system, and central nervous system. May cause reproductive effects and birth defects.

️Aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum salts - Neurotoxin. Carries risk for long term brain inflammation/swelling, neurological disorders, autoimmune disease, Alzheimer's, dementia, and autism. It penetrates the brain where it persists indefinitely.

️Thimerosal (mercury) - Neurotoxin. Induces cellular damage, reduces oxidation-reduction activity, cellular degeneration, and cell death. Linked to neurological disorders, Alzheimer's, dementia, and autism.

️Polysorbate 80 & 20 - Trespasses the Blood-Brain Barrier and carries with it aluminum, thimerosal, and viruses; allowing it to enter the brain.

️Glutaraldehyde - Toxic chemical used as a disinfectant for heat sensitive medical equipment.

️Fetal Bovine Serum - Harvested from bovine (cow) fetuses taken from pregnant cows before slaughter.

️Human Diploid Fibroblast Cells - aborted fetal cells. Foreign DNA has the ability to interact with our own.

️African Green Monkey Kidney Cells - Can carry the SV-40 cancer-causing virus that has already tainted about 30 million Americans.

️Acetone - Can cause kidney, liver, and nerve damage.

️E.Coli - Yes, you read that right.

️DNA from porcine (pig) Circovirus type-1

️Human embryonic lung cell cultures (from aborted fetuses)

You can view all of these ingredients on the CDCs website Here: https://cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/d...able-2.pdf
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Video Link of them dropping loike flies on Live TV: https://twitter.com/OV_Matter/status/163...7567310848


friendly reminder:

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“A $200 billion enterprise would’ve collapsed if Fauci had admitted that Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin were effective against covid.”
--Robert F. Kennedy


I'd call them criminal but these people are much worse.

{VIDEO of Robert F. Kennedy exposing Fauci and the COVID Scammers' Lies}

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Quote:https://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/status...1744484796

First Major World Politician Apologizes To the Unvaccinated:
‘You Were Right, We Were Wrong’


Danielle Smith, the premier of Alberta, Canada, is the first major elected politician in the world to issue a heartfelt apology to the unvaccinated for crimes perpetrated against their human rights by the government during Covid lockdowns.

“I can apologize right now. I’m deeply sorry,” she said, “for anyone who was inappropriately subjected to discrimination as a result of their vaccine status, I’m deeply sorry. For any government employee that was fired from their job, because of their vaccine status, and I welcome them back if they want to come back.”

I'd trade Alberta for Commiefornia.
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