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RE: um...about them 'vaccines'....yeah
(05-10-2021 12:57 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  So, Owl the only real question you should ask yourself is the Covid shot really a vaccine in the true sense of a vaccine? If not, which it isn't your argument is a moot point.

Not so sure, unless you're assuming I'm against all vaccinations, which was never stated. My actual argument is that people are often better-suited to trust but verify these supposed 'experts' and 'officials' in these important matters. One might venture it could be bothersome to many that much of the facts and information about what has been and is happening in these realms has been hidden, taken down, 're-truthed' and misinformed. Does the coronabug shot help some? Perhaps. Are there other effective or even more effective/less harmful/restrictive ways of dealing with the issue? Seems almost certainly so. Are there mitigating factors to the stance being taken and pushed? Also appears very strongly so. IS that bothersome to people? I cannot imagine why it would not bother most reasonably intelligent people if they but had access to more diverse information than is generally being given.

Diversity is good, no? Um...apparently the Left doesn't believe so, judging by its actions. That's problematic in many ways and undermines their positions on a lot of issues besides this. Still, it appears generally more folks have died solely of car accidents in a comparative time-period than solely of this bug (and the bug is not nearly as deadly compared to many other pandemic-type events as was first purported, skewing people's perceptions from the get-go), yet most are unafraid tom take that risk. Seems a bit odd we are being constantly badgered by the "leadership." when our eyes tell us things don;t add up the way they are pushing. Now, add in a study about vaccines in general, and begin to understand there's many ways to help, people through these situations. Many don't involve totalitarian tactics, either. Food for thought, at least for legal citizenry who wish to avail themselves of it.
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So Covid would just disappear without a vaccine (maybe by Easter)?
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(05-10-2021 11:16 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I've seen lots of videos of doctors and researchers pointing out this same thing about these very same drugs. I'd point you to them but they always get taken down quickly. The problem is, those drugs don't advanced the endgame.

Some of these Docs and others that actually study this stuff in labs etc need to grow a backbone and begin to stand up for their fields of expertise. Yea, they may get shouted down here and there by the cesspool twittersphere mob, but so what?

If you're right, you're right.
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(05-10-2021 11:32 AM)Jugnaut Wrote:  
(03-01-2021 12:53 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  I finally found the article I’d seen which had the charts of the decline in the infectious diseases through the 1900’s – which isn’t attributable to vaccines.

Here it is – published in 2019: The Impact of Vaccines on Mortality Decline Since 1900—According to Published Science

I seems this article is important enough to save – people are CONSTANTLY trying to say that vaccines are what saved the world……from infectious diseases like polio…measles, etc.


Quote:Since 1900, there’s been a 74% decline in mortality rates in developed countries, largely due to a marked decrease in deaths from infectious diseases. How much of this decline was due to vaccines? The history and data provide clear answers that matter greatly in today’s vitriolic debate about vaccines.

Since 1900, the mortality rate in America and other first-world countries has declined by roughly 74%, creating a dramatic improvement in quality of life and life expectancy for Americans.

The simple question: “How did this happen?”

Why did the mortality rate decline so precipitously? If you listen to vaccine promoters, the answer is simple: vaccines saved us. What’s crazy about this narrative is how easy it is to disprove, the data is hiding in plain sight. The fact that this easily-proven-false narrative persists, however, tells us a lot about the world we live in, and I hope will encourage parents to reconsider the veracity of many of the narratives they’ve been fed about vaccines, and do their own primary research.

...But what if most of the history about the role vaccines played in declining mortality isn’t even true?

“…we had accepted some half truths and had stopped searching for the whole truths. The principal half truths were that medical research had stamped out the great killers of the past —tuberculosis, diphtheria, pneumonia, puerperal sepsis, etc. —and that medical research and our superior system of medical care were major factors extending life expectancy, thus providing the American people with the highest level of health available in the world. That these are half truths is known but is perhaps not as well known as it should be.”

...“This decline in rates of certain disorders, correlated roughly with socioeconomic circumstances, is merely the most important happening in the history of the health of man, yet we have only the vaguest and most general notions about how it happened and by what mechanisms socioeconomic improvement and decreased rates of certain diseases run in parallel.”

...understanding WHY infectious diseases had declined so dramatically in the U.S. (as well as other first world countries). Was it nutrition? Sanitary methods? A reduction in home crowding? (We’ve since learned the answer to all three questions is, “Yes.”)

also related info link:
Infectious Diseases and Social Change by the former President of the Infectious Diseases Society of America.

from: The Journal of Infectious Diseases, Volume 123, Issue 1, January 1971, Pages 110–114, https://doi.org/10.1093/infdis/123.1.110
Published: 01 January 1971

1977: McKinlay & McKinlay: The most famous study you’ve never heard of

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Quote:...their study warned against the very behavior we are now seeing in the world of vaccines. Namely, they warned that a group of profiteers might take more credit for the results of an intervention (vaccines) than the intervention deserves, and then use those fake results to create a world where their product must be used by everyone. Seriously, they predicted that this would happen. (It’s worth noting that the McKinlay Study used to be required reading at every medical school.)

they warned that a group of profiteers might take more credit for the results of an intervention (vaccines) than the intervention deserves, and then use those fake results to create a world where their product must be used by everyone.

Published in 1977 in The Millbank Memorial Fund Quarterly, the McKinlay’s study was titled, “The Questionable Contribution of Medical Measures to the Decline of Mortality in the United States in the Twentieth Century.” The study clearly proved, with data, something that the McKinlay’s acknowledged might be viewed by some as medical “heresy.” Namely:

“that the introduction of specific medical measures and/or the expansion of medical services are generally NOT responsible for most of the modern decline in mortality.”

By “medical measures,” the McKinlay’s really meant ANYTHING modern medicine had come up with, whether that was antibiotics, vaccines, new prescription drugs, whatever. The McKinlay’s 23-page study really should be read cover to cover, but in a nutshell the McKinlay’s sought to analyze how much of an impact medical interventions (antibiotics, surgery, vaccines) had on this massive decline in mortality rates between 1900 and 1970:

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Here are some of the major points their paper made:

92.3% of the mortality rate decline happened between 1900 and 1950 [before most vaccines existed]
Medical measures “appear to have contributed little to the overall decline in mortality in the United States since about 1900–having in many instances been introduced several decades after a marked decline had already set in and having no detectable influence in most instances.”

And, here’s the two doozies…

The paper makes two points that I really want to highlight, because they are so important. The first one concerns vaccines. They write:

“Even if it were assumed that this change was entirely due to the vaccines, then only about one percent of the decline following interventions for the diseases considered here could be attributed to medical measures. Rather more conservatively, if we attribute some of the subsequent fall in the death rates for pneumonia, influenza, whooping cough, and diphtheria to medical measures, then perhaps 3.5 percent of the fall in the overall death rate can be explained through medical intervention in the major infectious diseases considered here. Indeed, given that it is precisely for these diseases that medicine claims most success in lowering mortality, 3.5 percent probably represents a reasonable upper-limit estimate of the total contribution of medical measures to the decline in mortality in the United States since 1900.”

In plain English: of the total decline in mortality since 1900, that 74% number I keep mentioning, vaccines (and other medical interventions like antibiotics) were responsible for somewhere between 1% and 3.5% of that decline. Said differently, at least 96.5% of the decline (and likely more than that since their numbers included ALL medical interventions, not ONLY vaccines) had NOTHING to do with vaccines.

You don’t get to say you saved humanity if, at most, you were responsible for 3.5% of the decline in mortality rates since 1900 (and probably closer to 1%).

And then the McKinlay’s wrote something that made me laugh out loud, because it’s the thing we are seeing every day in today’s vaccine-hyped world:

“It is not uncommon today for biotechnological knowledge and specific medical interventions to be invoked as the major reason for most of the modern (twentieth century) decline in mortality. Responsibility for this decline is often claimed by, or ascribed to, the present-day major beneficiaries of this prevailing explanation.”

Sound familiar?
GoodOwl, what do they attribute the decline in mortality to if not vaccines and medical intervention? I've it often claimed that it was due to sanitation. Just curious.

Likely food availability and potable water. So, sanitation in a sense. I had a friend who worked solely on getting wells into far-flung dirt patch villages in Africa late 80's early 90's. Back when we'd see those pics of the women carrying water in large bowls or whatever they had on top of their heads from some mudhole 5 miles away. HE claimed at the time they had helped save thousands of lives in a short time with something as simple as that. He was quite proud of it actually, deservedly so.
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(05-10-2021 11:51 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Modern medicine in general. People survive all kinds of stuff they didn't used to survive. Stuff you can't be vaccinated for.

Like gunshot wounds. How many did we lose in WWII? 300k or so? Many more prematurely due to their wounds or other factors.

Who? Most were young males. That'll bring down some life expectancy rates. A half generation ago most of those shot in our streets every weekend in all the TGIF celebrations would be dead as well. They can do amazing things these days, car wrecks too.
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Has anyone who has gotten the vaccine experienced red patches on their body?

My father got the vaccine and has been getting red patches ever since.

He refuses to go to the doctor. He's 87
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"There's no reason right now, no clinical reason to go get vaccinated"

link: https://twitter.com/aliciasadowski6/stat...0539181058

and this one:
link: https://twitter.com/aliciasadowski6/stat...1469664257
Quote:ROB SCHMITT (HOST of Rob Schmitt Tonight): When it comes to vaccines, and I really do want to make this clear, I mean, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I'm not a pro-vaxxer. I'm somebody that's looking at this thing and trying to figure it out. I've got people in my family, very close to me, who I thought should get vaccinated because when you weigh the risks. But when it comes to vaccines in general, are you of the consensus that it could potentially take a long time to really know what a vaccination does to people in some cases?

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SCHMITT: You know, one thing I've always thought, and maybe you can guide me on this because, obviously, I'm not a doctor. But I've always thought about vaccines, and I always think about just nature, and the way everything works. And I feel like a vaccination in a weird way is just generally kind of going against nature. Like, I mean, if there is some disease out there -- maybe there's just an ebb and flow to life where something's supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people, and that's just kind of the way evolution goes. Vaccines kind of stand in the way of that. Do you follow what I'm saying? Does that make sense to somebody in medicine?

DR. PETER MCCULLOUGH (GUEST): Well, there are some reports that support what you're saying. There's one by Nissan and colleagues from Boston and the Mayo Clinic that shows among vaccinated populations the diversity of different strains is narrowing. So it's going to be fewer numbers of strains. Right now in the United States, we're about 40% UK variant or the Alpha variant, and we're about 30% now Delta, which is the Indian variant. They get progressively weaker, but the diversity is changing with vaccination. And I think, probably, the best way to think about it is vaccines really ought to be targeted to protect the highest-risk individuals. A young person like you, if you got COVID, it's very easily treatable. You get through it. Natural immunity, for sure, is superior

SCHMITT: Yeah, you know, that's -- you make a good point there. Again, it's like if you've got this big risk, I think it might be worth whatever it is. But if you don't have a risk, I just, I can't comprehend why you would take something -- they start learning about the heart inflammation and stuff like that. I just don't understand why it's being pushed so hard on people that are very young. And now they're trying to give it to kids. You saw today, you know, the CDC saying that going back to school in the fall, it looks like if your kid's not vaccinated, they're going to have to wear a mask next year.
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(03-15-2021 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-01-2021 05:04 PM)solohawks Wrote:  My kids pediatrician got paid $450 to do his routine vaccines by the insurance. He got paid $150 for the wellness visit itself.

I'm not against vaccines, but they are big business and moneymakers

So, I'll put you down as IN FAVOR of universal health insurance then? 03-wink

Hey! Look who just got home from sniffing the toilet seats down at the bus station in time to interject their daily dose of socialism.
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Science!
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The VAERS website released its weekly numbers on Friday.

There are now 11,140 reported deaths from the COnVID "vaccine" in the United States.

This is up from 9,125 reported deaths from the COnVID-19 "vaccinations "total from last week.

The number of deaths linked to "vaccines" this year has absolutely skyrocketed. According to the CDC’s own data.

Two weeks ago VAERS reported 6,985 deaths due to the COnVID "vaccines." Last week that number jumped to 9,048.

my goodness! There have been over 400,000 adverse reactions to the "vaccines" reported to the COnVID vaccine.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) confirms this mosntrosity and geneocide of the people by the Marxist Liars.
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Just like the Flu, Covid should be called a "shot" because its not a vaccine. Its a shot to help your body fight the virus off if you get it and lessen symptoms. My guess is a lot more people that took the shot caught Covid than the numbers shows. Most didnt know it and thought they had a cold or stomach bug.

Its not a vaccine
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Wow! they censored that story quickly! Can't find it after I refreshed the page. Someone doesn't want the TRUTH to get out there. Marxists!

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Quote:Vaccinated people now make up almost 47% of all new Covid cases, symptom-tracking app claims amid signs Britain’s third Covid wave may have peaked already as 47 per cent of cases are among those who have received at least one dose of the Covid vaccine, surging upwards from around a quarter at the start of June.


so...in less than a year MarxistDemocraps have gone from: "Trump can never get a vaccine in less than a year," to "Trump's vaccine won't work", to Former Vice presidon't Biden* is a miracle-worker to get a "vaccine"," to "Everyone MUST be "vaccinated" to save their lives, or we will come get you", to "Vaccine isn't really supposed to prevent you from getting Conronabug or experiencing sysmptoms."

Firsty, this is no "vaccine" not by any stretch of the imagination. Scientifically, it is an Experimental Biological Agent. It appears tohave little positive effects against the Conronabug, but it does, accordng to the CDC';s own nformation, have bad sie effects that have to date negatively affected more thn 400,000 people, (yes you read that right 400,000), and has KILLED OVER 11,000 people just as of today. Since we're just getting started, the "vaccine" will ultimately at this rate be responsible for killing many millions of people, people who could have lived had they avoided being injected with this poison. Don't fall for the current illegitimate Marxist Government Lies. Avoid this Jab at all costs! There is NOTHING good about this alleged "vaccine" but there is TONS of bad stuff associated with it. Saty Safe, bros. Word.

url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9790999/Symptom-tracking-app-claims-number-people-falling-ill-virus-day-FALLEN.html]link to left-wing article that can't avoid spilling some truth despite attempts to minimize and deflect with lies[/url]

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Republicans have now embraced a full-on admission they are the anti-science anti-democratic party. Previously they have tried to hide this fact. Now they admit it proudly. I mean SERIOUSLY?! Vaccination clinics are treated like abortion clinics in red states in the middle of a pandemic?! SERIOUSLY? To the point where there are programs aimed to cater to those who want to "secretly" get vaccinated without their friends and family knowing, just like how abortions are handled on the far-right. It's like I'm living in the twilight zone.
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(05-10-2021 01:14 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(05-10-2021 12:57 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  So, Owl the only real question you should ask yourself is the Covid shot really a vaccine in the true sense of a vaccine? If not, which it isn't your argument is a moot point.

Not so sure, unless you're assuming I'm against all vaccinations, which was never stated. My actual argument is that people are often better-suited to trust but verify these supposed 'experts' and 'officials' in these important matters. One might venture it could be bothersome to many that much of the facts and information about what has been and is happening in these realms has been hidden, taken down, 're-truthed' and misinformed. Does the conronabug shot help some? Perhaps. Are there other effective or even more effective/less harmful/restrictive ways of dealing with the issue? Seems almost certainly so. Are there mitigating factors to the stance being taken and pushed? Also appears very strongly so. IS that bothersome to people? I cannot imagine why it would not bother most reasonably intelligent people if they but had access to more diverse information than is generally being given.

Diversity is good, no? Um...apparently the Left doesn't believe so, judging by its actions. That's problematic in many ways and undermines their positions on a lot of issues besides this. Still, it appears generally more folks have died solely of car accidents in a comparative time-period than solely of this bug (and the bug is not nearly as deadly compared to many other pandemic-type events as was first purported, skewing people's perceptions from the get-go), yet most are unafraid to take that risk. Seems a bit odd we are being constantly badgered by the "leadership." when our eyes tell us things don't add up the way they are pushing. Now, add in a study about vaccines in general, and begin to understand there's many ways to help people through these situations. Many don't involve totalitarian tactics, either. Food for thought, at least for legal citizenry who wish to avail themselves of it.

Wow. I'll pat myself on the back here as this post is even more true today that it was a few months ago when I posted it. Something is DEFINITELY not right with this "vaccine" and all the stuff they're doing behind it. The totalitarianism of the present Marxist regime is more telling every day. The CDC has flipped so many times, there is zero credibility anymore with anything they say. What a tragedy Marxists have done this to these institutions that USED TO serve the people and now seek to lie and abuse them. The Science...some of it done by their own leftist colleagyues shows over and over again that: this is no "vaccine", that it doesn;t really work against the very thing it was designed for, that it has terrible side-effects, that this alleged "vaccine" kills people at an alrming rate, that this alleged "vaccine" is far, far worse than just letting the conronabug run its course, as it is 99% survivable, and expecially among youngre population, is far less deadly than a normal flu or cold. Yet the unscientific Far-Left Marxists continue to spread Lies to you that it is good for you.

Here's a picture of a door-to-door "vaccine" spokesperson from the Democratic Party:
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No F***in' way any sane person wants this poison anywhere near them or those they love and care about.
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Thanks for posting that. Good information. That doctor is no anti vaxxer, just pro reality and pro truth.
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Dr. Christiane Northrup discusses coronavirus vaccine shedding and transmission. Of note: Dr. Northrup came out on Oprah in 2006 about issues with another vaccine, the Guardisil vaccine for young girls, before many young girls had died from taking it. Dr. Northrup has a long history of experience in watching these pharmaceutical experimental biological agents and how the greed pushes them on an unsuspecting and trusting public.

Interviewed by Mike Adams, New York Times bestselling author Dr. Christiane Northrup talked about the thousands of cases of women having menstrual irregularities and girls bleeding after spending time in the company of people injected with coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines. She then mentioned that a Pfizer document for study participants during the development of its mRNA vaccine said no male should be impregnating someone and no female should get pregnant for seven weeks after receiving the shot because of the need to avoid skin contact or contact with sexual fluids. According to Northrup, that statement on page 67 of the Pfizer document implied that Big Pharma companies knew something about the dangers of having vaccine components being discharged by vaccinated people – a process known as vaccine shedding.

Northrup also talked about the brainwashing done by doctors to condition the mind of parents so that when their children got injured following vaccination, they will blame anything but the vaccine.

The same playbook is used during this pandemic, she said. If a person dies after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, doctors and Big Pharma will just call it a coincidence. Northrup went on to call Big Pharma companies serial felons.

Get the information yourself so you can make up your own mind--don't be fooled by the government and big media propagandists.

link to video: https://www.brighteon.com/2aaed9bc-aa22-...0f2059983a

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Please don't take the vaccine. You guys are better without it.
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Highlights of interview with Dr. Peter McCullough on covid vaccine dangers

highlights (6min) vidoe here: https://www.brighteon.com/d9f93f6c-6c0a-...a394ec3ae3

See the full interview here: https://www.brighteon.com/fc2aa0fe-eae0-...e6b6ab9d97

Dr. Peter McCullough: Motive behind the suppression of coronavirus treatment is to prepare the population for mass vaccination

Interviewed by Mike Adams, Dr. Peter McCullough said that coronavirus (COVID-19) patients can be treated with drugs that are readily available, including hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. He stressed that people infected with COVID-19 should demand treatment, noting that the only people who died after being admitted to hospital were those who did not receive outpatient treatment. McCullough reiterated that early treatment treats the problem. Masks and vaccines don’t really treat the illness, he said.

McCullough told Adams that we need doctors who have actually seen COVID-19 patients and who work as a team instead of doctors on TV who haven’t really seen a COVID-19 patient. He noted that we’ve seen no international collaboration to try and treat the disease and that we’ve been basically seeing a medical dictatorship.

He also doubled down on his take about hydroxychloroquine, saying that America was able to thwart the first wave of coronavirus in March last year because of it. McCullough said the pandemic only got out of control when agencies prevented Americans from using the drug.

McCullough said the motive behind the suppression of treatment is to prepare the population for mass vaccination. He said there was intent to maximize the amount of fear, suffering, hospitalization and death to condition the population to accept mass vaccination.

Get yourself informed so you can decide for yourself instead of being brainwashed by the governemnet propagandists and big media who hide balanced tryuths about what is going on.
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(07-16-2021 11:00 PM)scorpius Wrote:  Republicans have now embraced a full-on admission they are the anti-science anti-democratic party. Previously they have tried to hide this fact. Now they admit it proudly. I mean SERIOUSLY?! Vaccination clinics are treated like abortion clinics in red states in the middle of a pandemic?! SERIOUSLY? To the point where there are programs aimed to cater to those who want to "secretly" get vaccinated without their friends and family knowing, just like how abortions are handled on the far-right. It's like I'm living in the twilight zone.

I think you are in the twilight zone and as is the case with most liberals you seem to be delusional.
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RE: um...about them 'vaccines'....yeah
(07-19-2021 10:38 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(07-16-2021 11:00 PM)scorpius Wrote:  Republicans have now embraced a full-on admission they are the anti-science anti-democratic party. Previously they have tried to hide this fact. Now they admit it proudly. I mean SERIOUSLY?! Vaccination clinics are treated like abortion clinics in red states in the middle of a pandemic?! SERIOUSLY? To the point where there are programs aimed to cater to those who want to "secretly" get vaccinated without their friends and family knowing, just like how abortions are handled on the far-right. It's like I'm living in the twilight zone.

I think you are in the twilight zone and as is the case with most liberals you seem to be delusional.

You can easily tell the ones that watch the MSM amd fail to think for themselves.
07-19-2021 10:50 AM
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