(09-08-2022 02:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 02:16 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 02:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Naomi Wolf is a raging moron.

I beg to differ, even though you would know about raging morons, being one and all.

Naomi was a liberal that saw the truth about Covid and the Covidians. She is at least intellectually honest.

She claimed there were over 100,000 deaths from anorexia and bulimia in the US when the real number was around 300.

She claimed there were 3,500,000 anorexia a bulimia patients in the UK, which at the time would have been 95% of the female population. The real number was around 110,000.

She also wrote a book on sexual crimes and punishment that was completely based on her misunderstanding a legal term in the Old Bailey records and was corrected live on the radio after she wrote the book.

She falsely claimed the Covid vaccine caused a 44% abortion rate.

She is PHD of lit who wasn’t great at that and is terrible at statistics and medicine.

I'd like to see the context for both her and your statistics here

I see about 10,000 people died in the US per year.... which isn't her number unless she has chosen a 10 year period... and certainly isn't your number of 300.

Priory care which is the largest mental health care company in the UK says...
UK eating disorder statistics
Research suggests that:

Between 1.25 and 3.4 million people in the UK are affected by an eating disorder
Around 25% of those affected by an eating disorder are male

That is much closer to her number (you seem to have added the 'female' part, but that's not important right now) which is much closer than your claim of 110,000. If she meant female (you didn't say she daid female) then the number would be about 1mm to 2,8mm... but I'm sure she just took the biggest number quoted and ran with it. That's what people do. You should take the smallest number and run with that, but you've uncovered a number that doesn't even really make sense.

Hint... The UK has about 34mm women. That's a FAR cry from your claim of closer to 4. You've missed a decimal point somewhere.

It sure seems to me that she's much closer than you are..... by orders of magnitude... though I'll concede that she may be not being especially careful with definitions... while your numbers seem to essentially ignore them.

Edit... I do this for a living (analyze population health statistics and make recoomendations for a large healthcare company)... and I looked deeper because your numbers didn't make sense.

As to the 44% abortion rate, I suspect she meant a 44% rise in abortions. Or maybe a 44% rise in some subset of abortions... like miscarriages or something... or that the rate of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated was 44% higher... IDK, but you've presented it as an absurd number... and the way people look at stats like this, I can tell you that it is not. That doesn't mean that the vaccines caused abortions to rise... I'd have to dig much deeper to know that,.... but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations had wildly different abortion statistics.

(10-26-2022 03:04 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 02:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 02:16 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 02:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Naomi Wolf is a raging moron.

I beg to differ, even though you would know about raging morons, being one and all.

Naomi was a liberal that saw the truth about Covid and the Covidians. She is at least intellectually honest.

She claimed there were over 100,000 deaths from anorexia and bulimia in the US when the real number was around 300.

She claimed there were 3,500,000 anorexia a bulimia patients in the UK, which at the time would have been 95% of the female population. The real number was around 110,000.

She also wrote a book on sexual crimes and punishment that was completely based on her misunderstanding a legal term in the Old Bailey records and was corrected live on the radio after she wrote the book.

She falsely claimed the Covid vaccine caused a 44% abortion rate.

She is PHD of lit who wasn’t great at that and is terrible at statistics and medicine.

I'd like to see the context for both her and your statistics here

I see about 10,000 people died in the US.... which isn't her number unless she has chosen a 10 year period... and certainly isn't your number of 300.

Priory care which is the largest mental health care company in the UK says...
UK eating disorder statistics
Research suggests that:

Between 1.25 and 3.4 million people in the UK are affected by an eating disorder
Around 25% of those affected by an eating disorder are male

That is much closer to her number (you seem to have added the 'female' part, but that's not important right now) which is much closer than your claim of 110,000. If she meant female (you didn't say she daid female) then the number would be about 1mm to 2,8mm... but I'm sure she just took the biggest number quoted and ran with it. That's what people do. You should take the smallest number and run with that, but you've uncovered a number that doesn't even really make sense.

Hint... The UK has about 34mm women. That's a FAR cry from your claim of closer to 4. You've missed a decimal point somewhere.

It sure seems to me that she's much closer than you are..... by orders of magnitude... though I'll concede that she may be not being especially careful with definitions... while your numbers seem to essentially ignore them.

Progressives from Memphis for $1000, Alex.

(10-26-2022 03:04 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 02:52 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 02:16 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(09-08-2022 02:10 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Naomi Wolf is a raging moron.

I beg to differ, even though you would know about raging morons, being one and all.

Naomi was a liberal that saw the truth about Covid and the Covidians. She is at least intellectually honest.

She claimed there were over 100,000 deaths from anorexia and bulimia in the US when the real number was around 300.

She claimed there were 3,500,000 anorexia a bulimia patients in the UK, which at the time would have been 95% of the female population. The real number was around 110,000.

She also wrote a book on sexual crimes and punishment that was completely based on her misunderstanding a legal term in the Old Bailey records and was corrected live on the radio after she wrote the book.

She falsely claimed the Covid vaccine caused a 44% abortion rate.

She is PHD of lit who wasn’t great at that and is terrible at statistics and medicine.

I'd like to see the context for both her and your statistics here

I see about 10,000 people died in the US per year.... which isn't her number unless she has chosen a 10 year period... and certainly isn't your number of 300.

Priory care which is the largest mental health care company in the UK says...
UK eating disorder statistics
Research suggests that:

Between 1.25 and 3.4 million people in the UK are affected by an eating disorder
Around 25% of those affected by an eating disorder are male

That is much closer to her number (you seem to have added the 'female' part, but that's not important right now) which is much closer than your claim of 110,000. If she meant female (you didn't say she daid female) then the number would be about 1mm to 2,8mm... but I'm sure she just took the biggest number quoted and ran with it. That's what people do. You should take the smallest number and run with that, but you've uncovered a number that doesn't even really make sense.

Hint... The UK has about 34mm women. That's a FAR cry from your claim of closer to 4. You've missed a decimal point somewhere.

It sure seems to me that she's much closer than you are..... by orders of magnitude... though I'll concede that she may be not being especially careful with definitions... while your numbers seem to essentially ignore them.

Edit... I do this for a living (analyze population health statistics and make recoomendations for a large healthcare company)... and I looked deeper because your numbers didn't make sense.

As to the 44% abortion rate, I suspect she meant a 44% rise in abortions. Or maybe a 44% rise in some subset of abortions... like miscarriages or something... or that the rate of the vaccinated vs unvaccinated was 44% higher... IDK, but you've presented it as an absurd number... and the way people look at stats like this, I can tell you that it is not. That doesn't mean that the vaccines caused abortions to rise... I'd have to dig much deeper to know that,.... but it wouldn't surprise me at all if the vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations had wildly different abortion statistics.

Where do you see 10k a year for the US, that is pretty much the worldwide number for eating disorder deaths.

https://scienceofeds.org/2012/06/07/naom...cts-wrong/

There is a peer reviewed research paper about how many stats she ****** up in her book in the 90s. It was 50 percent of the female population instead of 95%.

You can basically divide all her numbers by 8.

Her book was only focused on female statistics.

The abortion claim was trounced based on the same data she used to make it :

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(10-26-2022 05:05 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Where do you see 10k a year for the US, that is pretty much the worldwide number for eating disorder deaths.

https://scienceofeds.org/2012/06/07/naom...cts-wrong/

There is a peer reviewed research paper about how many stats she ****** up in her book in the 90s. It was 50 percent of the female population instead of 95%.

You can basically divide all her numbers by 8.

Her book was only focused on female statistics.

The abortion claim was trounced based on the same data she used to make it :

A peer reviewed article on how naomi wold got her facts wrong?? Good lord, Elvis. Did you read it? It's nothing but a hit piece. She literally created an 'index of lies'. That's not remotely a peer reviewed piece of academic work... and I'm embarassed for you that you think it is.

Here you go...

https://anad.org/eating-disorders-statistics/

Quote:10,200 deaths each year are the direct result of an eating disorder—that’s one death every 52 minutes.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1230...condition/

They break it out by condition, but the total is still around 10,000

As to your article, I STILL don't see a number remotely close to the 300 you claimed... other than some stupid math calculation... where a number (150,000, that she already corrected was a mis-statement and reflected cases, not deaths) and they perform some meaningless calculation on that to generate their thesis.

More to the point though.... I demonstrated numerous instances where you engaged in similar misrepresentations.... including alleging that 3.5 mm is 95% of the female poplulation of the UK... when it is actually more like 9.5%... as well as some other misrepresenations... and you've not addressed those.

If you're going to present an article purporting to 'correct' the lies of someone, you need to make certain that you aren't doing the very same thing.

The article you presented is written by a 'child' and not an adult... and is an academic embarassment worthy of a disaffected teen age girl and not a serious statistician. Wolf certainly made some very clear and obvious mistakes, but so did you. I may have made some as well, but other than the childish pettiness in the article you presented, I'm not really trying to embarass anyone for their mistakes.

Healthcare is often very difficult to quantify hence you often get some fairly wide ranges... I mean, just look at the CDC and their estimates of Flu each year... It shouldn't surprise ANYONE that there are ranges for lots of things like this... NOR should it surprise anyone that a proponent would choose one end of that range while a detractor would do the opposite...

but your article compounds these reasonable comments with mathematical voodoo... where they take a range of 1.5-3mm and an incidence rate of say 3-6% and then drop a decimal point on say 40mm people and you claim that a number that they report as 3mm x 6% of 40mm is wrong and that the REAL number is 1.5mm x 3% of 4mm... Oopsie. had they not dropped the decimal, they would have been closer... and come up with a vastly different number.... but since everything else there is a 'range', BOTH numbers, despite being vastly different, are MATHEMATICALLY correct... even if the odds that things are at the high or low of each range is statistically zero.

Her 150,000 number was a mistake and your own article notes that she corrected this. She said deaths and should have said 'cases'. Bad mistake and all stats based on that will be wrong as a result, but your teenage daughter acts as if she didn't correct this and was simply lying. Was it intentional? IDK... just like I don't know if your 95% number was a mistake or a lie... but none of that really matters. For the purposes of the discussion, what matters is that there are 150,000 cases... and NOT what percentage of the population that is. COVID deaths in the US are currently running at about 1 per million people.... That's a very low percentage... but when you consider that we're about 350mm people and then that this is a daily number..,. that's what? 350 per day for 365 days or 12,600/yr? Now compare that to 10,200 deaths per year from eating disorders. Is it worth talking about??

So the Vax STILL doesn't prevent catching or spreading Covid...


um...about them 'vaccines'....yeah.............

(10-27-2022 12:53 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  So the Vax STILL doesn't prevent catching or spreading Covid...


um...about them 'vaccines'....yeah.............

um...you got it...bruh....+3

(10-27-2022 12:24 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-26-2022 05:05 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Where do you see 10k a year for the US, that is pretty much the worldwide number for eating disorder deaths.

https://scienceofeds.org/2012/06/07/naom...cts-wrong/

There is a peer reviewed research paper about how many stats she ****** up in her book in the 90s. It was 50 percent of the female population instead of 95%.

You can basically divide all her numbers by 8.

Her book was only focused on female statistics.

The abortion claim was trounced based on the same data she used to make it :

A peer reviewed article on how naomi wold got her facts wrong?? Good lord, Elvis. Did you read it? It's nothing but a hit piece. She literally created an 'index of lies'. That's not remotely a peer reviewed piece of academic work... and I'm embarassed for you that you think it is.

Here you go...

https://anad.org/eating-disorders-statistics/

Quote:10,200 deaths each year are the direct result of an eating disorder—that’s one death every 52 minutes.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1230...condition/

They break it out by condition, but the total is still around 10,000

As to your article, I STILL don't see a number remotely close to the 300 you claimed... other than some stupid math calculation... where a number (150,000, that she already corrected was a mis-statement and reflected cases, not deaths) and they perform some meaningless calculation on that to generate their thesis.

More to the point though.... I demonstrated numerous instances where you engaged in similar misrepresentations.... including alleging that 3.5 mm is 95% of the female poplulation of the UK... when it is actually more like 9.5%... as well as some other misrepresenations... and you've not addressed those.

If you're going to present an article purporting to 'correct' the lies of someone, you need to make certain that you aren't doing the very same thing.

The article you presented is written by a 'child' and not an adult... and is an academic embarassment worthy of a disaffected teen age girl and not a serious statistician. Wolf certainly made some very clear and obvious mistakes, but so did you. I may have made some as well, but other than the childish pettiness in the article you presented, I'm not really trying to embarass anyone for their mistakes.

Healthcare is often very difficult to quantify hence you often get some fairly wide ranges... I mean, just look at the CDC and their estimates of Flu each year... It shouldn't surprise ANYONE that there are ranges for lots of things like this... NOR should it surprise anyone that a proponent would choose one end of that range while a detractor would do the opposite...

but your article compounds these reasonable comments with mathematical voodoo... where they take a range of 1.5-3mm and an incidence rate of say 3-6% and then drop a decimal point on say 40mm people and you claim that a number that they report as 3mm x 6% of 40mm is wrong and that the REAL number is 1.5mm x 3% of 4mm... Oopsie. had they not dropped the decimal, they would have been closer... and come up with a vastly different number.... but since everything else there is a 'range', BOTH numbers, despite being vastly different, are MATHEMATICALLY correct... even if the odds that things are at the high or low of each range is statistically zero.

Her 150,000 number was a mistake and your own article notes that she corrected this. She said deaths and should have said 'cases'. Bad mistake and all stats based on that will be wrong as a result, but your teenage daughter acts as if she didn't correct this and was simply lying. Was it intentional? IDK... just like I don't know if your 95% number was a mistake or a lie... but none of that really matters. For the purposes of the discussion, what matters is that there are 150,000 cases... and NOT what percentage of the population that is. COVID deaths in the US are currently running at about 1 per million people.... That's a very low percentage... but when you consider that we're about 350mm people and then that this is a daily number..,. that's what? 350 per day for 365 days or 12,600/yr? Now compare that to 10,200 deaths per year from eating disorders. Is it worth talking about??

You might need to spend more time reading and less time writing. I’m well aware that article isn’t peer reviewed, it referenced data from the peer reviewed journal by Shoemaker that I don’t have a subscription for. Two ears and one mouth and all that.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16864310/

Published in :

Eating Disorders: The Journal of Treatment & Prevention
Volume 12, 2004 - Issue 2

So what’s the statista source for their data? Because they don’t show the source unless you pay.. Statista themselves aren’t a source, you know that. Hell they contradict themselves:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1035...worldwide/

The table in the article with Wolfs data comes directly from the paper, and cites the source used by shoemaker (Van Hoeken, D., Seidell, J. and Hoek, H. w. 2003. “Epidemiology”. In Handbook of eating disorders , 2nd, Edited)

You were too busy calling the article childish to pay attention to the data in it or the source.

I almost feel bad for Elvis watching Hambone completely owning him.


Almost.

Why has this thread been allowed to be derailed from COVID "vaccines" to eating disorders?

(10-28-2022 03:33 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I almost feel bad for Elvis watching Hambone completely owning him.


Almost.

Not me mayne, I love it. I love seeing arrogant asshat's have smug looks wiped off their faces.

(10-28-2022 06:58 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(10-28-2022 03:33 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I almost feel bad for Elvis watching Hambone completely owning him.


Almost.

Not me mayne, I love it. I love seeing arrogant asshat's have smug looks wiped off their faces.

I highly doubt that is the case unfortunately - ignorance and ambivalence block such self revelations.

(10-28-2022 06:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Why has this thread been allowed to be derailed from COVID "vaccines" to eating disorders?

You're not new here, quit being obtuse.

Additionally, if you can't separate out or ignore a few posts in a thread that are away from the original topic or steer the thread back with a post of your own, there's not much help for you.

P.S.: This thread jumped the shark into fantasy land about 200 posts ago.

I don’t know of anyone that did not get the jab and regrets not doing so, I have not had even one jab and have not been sick in 2.5 years. Strange, usually I get cold/flu at least once every other year. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.

Somehow Flu and RSV are raging through the schools again. The COVID $$$ must have run out. Lots of kids sick in my hood. Parents are getting it too. Probably because everyone's immune systems are compromised from the Covid jabs.

Covid (and more specifically how it was handled) messed up the order of things. Especially the young population....

Kids need exposure to stuff to build immunities. For 12+ months exposure was significantly reduced and therefore so was immunity building in the body. I am not criticizing the response/actions it is just an unintended consequence of those actions.

(10-27-2022 05:39 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  You might need to spend more time reading and less time writing. I’m well aware that article isn’t peer reviewed, it referenced data from the peer reviewed journal by Shoemaker that I don’t have a subscription for. Two ears and one mouth and all that.

I do this for a living, Elvis. What I've forgotten is more than you will ever know about the issue. You certainly tried to imply that it was peer reviewed, otherwise, why would you post such a stupid article rather than the source data??

And now you say you don't have access to the source data in the article, so how do you have ANY idea what it says??

Quote:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16864310/

Published in :

Eating Disorders: The Journal of Treatment & Prevention
Volume 12, 2004 - Issue 2

So what’s the statista source for their data? Because they don’t show the source unless you pay.. Statista themselves aren’t a source, you know that. Hell they contradict themselves:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1035...worldwide/

The table in the article with Wolfs data comes directly from the paper, and cites the source used by shoemaker (Van Hoeken, D., Seidell, J. and Hoek, H. w. 2003. “Epidemiology”. In Handbook of eating disorders , 2nd, Edited)

You were too busy calling the article childish to pay attention to the data in it or the source.

Wolf and Statista used the same source.... it's cited below. I also linked essentially the same number from another source ANAD. You're too busy trying to deflect from your own manufactured BS to understand what you're posting.

Let me give you a little help...

1) Wolf mis-spoke... she said 150,000 deaths and she meant 150,000 cases. Your own snarky source mentioned this. This was discovered in the article you note, and corrected by Wolf in a later publication with the same information. our own source verified all of this.

2) This accounted for (from memory) corrections to 3 of her statistics related to mortality rates... which isn't really what we're talking about

3) the remaining (i think it was 20) statistics involved the issue I raised of some people choosing the high end of a range and others choosing the low end to make their point.

If you looked at the reviews from the peers required for 'peer review' you would know this, but you didn't/can't so you just rely on the headline and then a poorly written article by a teenage girl.

Wolf absolutely favors one side of this argument and she absolutely made one obvious mistake. As you note, she's not a statistician.

That has nothing to do with the fact that 10,000 people, not 300 as you claimed die each year in the US from eating disorders.... a figure you STILL haven't cited and I know from my job is not accurate. and certainly nothing to do with the lie you told about 3.5mm being 95% of 40mm women in the UK.

yet you somehow think that you're going to be able to keep deflecting from this and somehow shame me?? Pfft. I know what I know, and everyone here can see your multiple errors.

Bottom line, you can disagree with her all you want and she is hardly a great front person for this 'cause'... but you have absolutely NO leg to stand on to claim that she doesn't know what she's talking about... because I can clearly source a lot of her data, and I can't come CLOSE to sourcing yours.

(10-28-2022 06:56 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Why has this thread been allowed to be derailed from COVID "vaccines" to eating disorders?

It's really about 'what people think they know' which is highly related to the topic. In typical academic fashion, someone posts a snarky article purported to be based on an academic study somehow calling out another opinion... but when the rubber hits the road, you often find as much or more bias in the claim AGAINST the original article as is being alleged. People often confuse volume with weight, thinking that having 5 instances of trivial error is 'better' than having one instance of meaningful error.... or as in this case, noting that if you're going to challenge someone's data, you'd BETTER be citing good data yourself. I can't challenge his data because even he can't show me where it comes from (behind pay walls or he has simply deflected from it)... so there s perhaps SOME way to claim that there are only 300 deaths in the US from these disorders... but CREDIBLE sources have the number at much higher than that... and it wouldn't take much to imagine that the number in a nation of 350mm is much greater than that. I have no idea how you source that 3.5mm is 95% of 40mm.... and if you use the RIGHT number.... that its more like 9.5% (which it is) then I suspect that's about right. 10% of women in the UK suffer from an eating disorder? Yes, I'd believe that this is the 'high' end of a range of reasonable projections, as I suggested.