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I want them to go Chase at 5 then go highest Guard on the board or Hudson in the 2nd round, Then go get the other in the 3rd round. Because they signed Reiff for one year at right tackle and have Williams at Left makes them have option at the oline.

(04-24-2021 06:41 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  They have to address the line. Whether that’s with pick 5 or later on in the draft. The gamble is if they pass on Sewel at 5, is someone else on their board still there at 38 or 69 that is good enough to fill the need?

No question they have to address the line. I think it's almost a complete given that if they take Chase in R1, that they take an OL in R2 (unless there is a clear BPA screaming to be had especially on the DL in which case they've gotta go OL in R3. And then maybe again in R4 or R5) My take increasingly is that there is a lot of OL talent to be had in R1-4 at least but precious little deep threat WRs.

Quote:Plus the Bengals have a poor track record drafting offensive line ever since their last good pick with Whitworth. I don’t know if I trust them either way.

Without looking it up there's been a few nice picks since Whit. Zeitler was one. Boling was a very nice value until his seemingly premature retirement. But there's been some critical big misses for sure.

(04-24-2021 06:57 PM)Nobones Wrote:  I want them to go Chase at 5 then go highest Guard on the board or Hudson in the 2nd round, Then go get the other in the 3rd round. Because they signed Reiff for one year at right tackle and have Williams at Left makes them have option at the oline.

I love Hudson, but he seems to be slipping a bit in a lot of mocks. As far as I can tell, there's no good reason other than there is simply a lot of OL talent in this draft more experienced than him. I don't know who to believe, but I saw a full R1-7 mock on NFL.com iirc a day or two ago that had all 4 Bearcats going in round 6 (Forrest was the first to go in R6 iirc - the other 3 being Hudson, Wiggins and Smith of course). I'm not buying R6 for Hudson, but I'm increasingly thinking there's a decent shot he'd be there for the Bengals pick early in R3 or maybe even possibly early in R4 if they want him. We'll see.

It's definitely not a deal-breaker but yeah one of the downsides to drafting Sewell is that if everybody is healthy that means one of the three (Jonah and Reiff being the other 2) is going to have to play at least a bit out of position at OG or be a backup. In that sense a guy like Slater or a few others potentially would be a cleaner fit as far as playing OG for a year or two before sliding in for Reiff at OT.

I forgot about Zeitler, but they let him get away.

(04-24-2021 05:47 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  The one thing that I always go back to (and it shows my age) is that in the 1990's, the Dallas Cowboys had 5 Pro-Bowl offensive lineman and won 3 Superbowls. Did they have Aikman, Smith and Irvin? Yes. But some argue that those lineman had a lot to do with those three become HOF'ers. I've always believed that O-line was the key to their success.

The online was their best position group but none of their starting linemen were first round picks. The highest one I saw on sports reference was HOFer Larry Allen in rd 2. It's a developmental position, not a throw all your resources at.

I'm not saying that taking OL is wrong but I don't think that making a different decision is neglecting the line. How many top 5 draft picks did the Patriots have on the OL for their 6 draft picks. If you believe Chase is a game changer take him. OL is a unit and one OL is rarely a game changer. If you believe Chase is just good then having a centerpiece for your OL group isn't wrong

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If they're convinced sewell is an no doubt all pro caliber tackle they should take him. My feeling is pitts and chase are safer bets to be elite and far better than the playmakers you can get in the second round. I think you're more likely to find a tackle as good or better than sewell in the second round than find guys better than pitts/chase.

(04-24-2021 08:28 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  If they're convinced sewell is an no doubt all pro caliber tackle they should take him. My feeling is pitts and chase are safer bets to be elite and far better than the playmakers you can get in the second round. I think you're more likely to find a tackle as good or better than sewell in the second round than find guys better than pitts/chase.

Agree 100%. I didn't mention Pitts because most think he's going 4.

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(04-24-2021 08:28 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  If they're convinced sewell is an no doubt all pro caliber tackle they should take him. My feeling is pitts and chase are safer bets to be elite and far better than the playmakers you can get in the second round. I think you're more likely to find a tackle as good or better than sewell in the second round than find guys better than pitts/chase.

This is the way I am thinking as well. However, no matter what they decide to do, I am afraid they will find away to Bengalize it. They have never disappointed me before.

(04-24-2021 07:29 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 06:57 PM)Nobones Wrote:  I want them to go Chase at 5 then go highest Guard on the board or Hudson in the 2nd round, Then go get the other in the 3rd round. Because they signed Reiff for one year at right tackle and have Williams at Left makes them have option at the oline.

I love Hudson, but he seems to be slipping a bit in a lot of mocks. As far as I can tell, there's no good reason other than there is simply a lot of OL talent in this draft more experienced than him. I don't know who to believe, but I saw a full R1-7 mock on NFL.com iirc a day or two ago that had all 4 Bearcats going in round 6 (Forrest was the first to go in R6 iirc - the other 3 being Hudson, Wiggins and Smith of course). I'm not buying R6 for Hudson, but I'm increasingly thinking there's a decent shot he'd be there for the Bengals pick early in R3 or maybe even possibly early in R4 if they want him. We'll see.

It's definitely not a deal-breaker but yeah one of the downsides to drafting Sewell is that if everybody is healthy that means one of the three (Jonah and Reiff being the other 2) is going to have to play at least a bit out of position at OG or be a backup. In that sense a guy like Slater or a few others potentially would be a cleaner fit as far as playing OG for a year or two before sliding in for Reiff at OT.

I had not looked lately at any draft ranks. Last I saw was a 3rd round grade right after the senior bowl. I would go OG then in 3rd and go best Defense guy on the board in the 2nd. Then get Hudson maybe 5th round. Go Offense then defense each round.

(04-24-2021 08:28 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  If they're convinced sewell is an no doubt all pro caliber tackle they should take him. My feeling is pitts and chase are safer bets to be elite and far better than the playmakers you can get in the second round. I think you're more likely to find a tackle as good or better than sewell in the second round than find guys better than pitts/chase.

Maybe a similar way to say the same thing, but in a generic vacuum, I think I'd take Sewell over Chase.

But in this draft, to keep it simple, I think I might prefer Chase and the best available OL in R2 over Sewell and the best non-slot WR in R2. Of course, the draft is crazy and you never know who is going to slide to us in R2 or if there will be a crazy run on a position group just ahead of us or if there's a trade we can't refuse. But even if we found a DL as the clear BPA and couldn't pass on him in R2, there will still very likely be some OL there for us in R3 and maybe even R4 and/or a flyer on a Day 3 guy.

I think that also figures in why we haven't signed Trai Turner. My guess is he's a wait and see what happens in the draft. Maybe we get what we need there in the interior OL, but if not we jump on him pronto after the draft if he's healthy.

So today anyway, I guess I'm ever so slightly leaning towards Chase over Sewell and my guess is the Bengals are too. But who knows - maybe they are playing rope-a-dope on Pitts....

(04-24-2021 09:19 PM)Nobones Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 07:29 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 06:57 PM)Nobones Wrote:  I want them to go Chase at 5 then go highest Guard on the board or Hudson in the 2nd round, Then go get the other in the 3rd round. Because they signed Reiff for one year at right tackle and have Williams at Left makes them have option at the oline.

I love Hudson, but he seems to be slipping a bit in a lot of mocks. As far as I can tell, there's no good reason other than there is simply a lot of OL talent in this draft more experienced than him. I don't know who to believe, but I saw a full R1-7 mock on NFL.com iirc a day or two ago that had all 4 Bearcats going in round 6 (Forrest was the first to go in R6 iirc - the other 3 being Hudson, Wiggins and Smith of course). I'm not buying R6 for Hudson, but I'm increasingly thinking there's a decent shot he'd be there for the Bengals pick early in R3 or maybe even possibly early in R4 if they want him. We'll see.

It's definitely not a deal-breaker but yeah one of the downsides to drafting Sewell is that if everybody is healthy that means one of the three (Jonah and Reiff being the other 2) is going to have to play at least a bit out of position at OG or be a backup. In that sense a guy like Slater or a few others potentially would be a cleaner fit as far as playing OG for a year or two before sliding in for Reiff at OT.

I had not looked lately at any draft ranks. Last I saw was a 3rd round grade right after the senior bowl. I would go OG then in 3rd and go best Defense guy on the board in the 2nd. Then get Hudson maybe 5th round. Go Offense then defense each round.

Here's the full mock I mentioned earlier from the NFL's website.

(04-24-2021 05:47 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 05:26 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 05:10 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  I don't disagree, but it's not taking into consideration run blocking. You also limit the amount of coverage sacks when you throw the ball less, or need less time to throw because you are moving the ball on the ground. For instance, I'm sure you see more coverage sacks on 3rd and 8 as opposed to 3rd and 3. Having a good O-line is not just about pass blocking.

True. It's definitely not an either/or situation. Ideally, it all needs to work together in some sort of balance.

FWIW, I've been going back and forth on Chase v. Sewell and I don't even know which way I prefer they go right now. My gut says the Bengals are leaning Chase but who knows where it will all settle on draft day. In the meantime, here's another skill from Chase that we don't always think about:

I'm right there with ya, buddy. I can't decide either, but probably won't be upset either way. Then you also throw in everyone talking about Pitts being a once in a generation TE!

The one thing that I always go back to (and it shows my age) is that in the 1990's, the Dallas Cowboys had 5 Pro-Bowl offensive lineman and won 3 Superbowls. Did they have Aikman, Smith and Irvin? Yes. But some argue that those lineman had a lot to do with those three become HOF'ers. I've always believed that O-line was the key to their success.

Those Cowboys teams also had some pretty stout defenses, iirc (not to mention Alvin Harper and Jay Novacek on O). All this to say that those SB Dallas teams may not be the best comps.

Still, i take your point and i actually agree. i'm Team Sewell and believe line play and protecting the Franchise is priority A and B, and possibly C. The other thing is that Sewell doesn't need someone to get him the ball to do be effective. For all their hype, the effectiveness of Pitts and Chase is still directly dependent on the ability of the guy that's supposed to get them the ball.

(04-24-2021 09:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 09:19 PM)Nobones Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 07:29 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 06:57 PM)Nobones Wrote:  I want them to go Chase at 5 then go highest Guard on the board or Hudson in the 2nd round, Then go get the other in the 3rd round. Because they signed Reiff for one year at right tackle and have Williams at Left makes them have option at the oline.

I love Hudson, but he seems to be slipping a bit in a lot of mocks. As far as I can tell, there's no good reason other than there is simply a lot of OL talent in this draft more experienced than him. I don't know who to believe, but I saw a full R1-7 mock on NFL.com iirc a day or two ago that had all 4 Bearcats going in round 6 (Forrest was the first to go in R6 iirc - the other 3 being Hudson, Wiggins and Smith of course). I'm not buying R6 for Hudson, but I'm increasingly thinking there's a decent shot he'd be there for the Bengals pick early in R3 or maybe even possibly early in R4 if they want him. We'll see.

It's definitely not a deal-breaker but yeah one of the downsides to drafting Sewell is that if everybody is healthy that means one of the three (Jonah and Reiff being the other 2) is going to have to play at least a bit out of position at OG or be a backup. In that sense a guy like Slater or a few others potentially would be a cleaner fit as far as playing OG for a year or two before sliding in for Reiff at OT.

I had not looked lately at any draft ranks. Last I saw was a 3rd round grade right after the senior bowl. I would go OG then in 3rd and go best Defense guy on the board in the 2nd. Then get Hudson maybe 5th round. Go Offense then defense each round.

Here's the nfl.com mock with 4 Bearcats drafted all in R6 fwiw.

Your links aren’t working

(04-24-2021 10:22 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 09:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 09:19 PM)Nobones Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 07:29 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-24-2021 06:57 PM)Nobones Wrote:  I want them to go Chase at 5 then go highest Guard on the board or Hudson in the 2nd round, Then go get the other in the 3rd round. Because they signed Reiff for one year at right tackle and have Williams at Left makes them have option at the oline.

I love Hudson, but he seems to be slipping a bit in a lot of mocks. As far as I can tell, there's no good reason other than there is simply a lot of OL talent in this draft more experienced than him. I don't know who to believe, but I saw a full R1-7 mock on NFL.com iirc a day or two ago that had all 4 Bearcats going in round 6 (Forrest was the first to go in R6 iirc - the other 3 being Hudson, Wiggins and Smith of course). I'm not buying R6 for Hudson, but I'm increasingly thinking there's a decent shot he'd be there for the Bengals pick early in R3 or maybe even possibly early in R4 if they want him. We'll see.

It's definitely not a deal-breaker but yeah one of the downsides to drafting Sewell is that if everybody is healthy that means one of the three (Jonah and Reiff being the other 2) is going to have to play at least a bit out of position at OG or be a backup. In that sense a guy like Slater or a few others potentially would be a cleaner fit as far as playing OG for a year or two before sliding in for Reiff at OT.

I had not looked lately at any draft ranks. Last I saw was a 3rd round grade right after the senior bowl. I would go OG then in 3rd and go best Defense guy on the board in the 2nd. Then get Hudson maybe 5th round. Go Offense then defense each round.

Here's the nfl.com mock with 4 Bearcats drafted all in R6 fwiw.

Your links aren’t working

Are you messin' with me or just hitting the appletinis hard tonight? I just clicked on the underlined word "mock" and it took me right to R6. That's the only link I made in the entire exchange you quoted. Not working for anybody else?

Is it possible for the Bengals to draft Nick Saban in the first round and name him head coach and general manager? For me, that would be the best long term move even if Coach Saban is getting on in age.

Hawk, both links took me to NFL Game Pass. I got them to work when I quoted your post and copied the link directly.

(04-25-2021 10:03 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hawk, both links took me to NFL Game Pass. I got them to work when I quoted your post and copied the link directly.

Hmmm, thanks Billy. You keep mentioning multiple links, but there's only one in the post (the underlined word "mock") so there is some kind of disconnect going on. Fwiw, I don't have NFL Game Pass nor do I visit it and the link continues to work as it should for me.

Anybody else with feedback on it (not) working?

(04-25-2021 10:46 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 10:03 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hawk, both links took me to NFL Game Pass. I got them to work when I quoted your post and copied the link directly.

Hmmm, thanks Billy. You keep mentioning multiple links, but there's only one in the post (the underlined word "mock") so there is some kind of disconnect going on. Fwiw, I don't have NFL Game Pass nor do I visit it and the link continues to work as it should for me.

Anybody else with feedback on it (not) working?

Here’s what the url looks like in your post. It lists the word “mock” as a separate link. I added the * to keep it from formatting

Quote: Here's the nfl.com [*url=https://www.nfl.com/news/seven-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-round-6-eagles-select-notre-dame-qb-ian-book]mock[/url] with 4 Bearcats drafted all in R6 fwiw.

(04-25-2021 10:46 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 10:03 AM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  Hawk, both links took me to NFL Game Pass. I got them to work when I quoted your post and copied the link directly.

Hmmm, thanks Billy. You keep mentioning multiple links, but there's only one in the post (the underlined word "mock") so there is some kind of disconnect going on. Fwiw, I don't have NFL Game Pass nor do I visit it and the link continues to work as it should for me.

Anybody else with feedback on it (not) working?

You do have two links. nfl.com (is underlined) and mock (underlined) are showing up as 2 separate links. Both send me to game pass.

it is fixed now I got straight to the round 6.