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"...It’s unclear why the U.S. Supreme Court turned aside the Pennsylvania election cases since only four justices are needed to grant review in a case and four justices thought the state court’s ruling was so off-base that they voted in October to block it on an emergency basis. One possibility is that they decided the dispute was moot because of the margin of Biden’s victory and because his victory in the broader Electoral College meant Pennsylvania’s votes were not pivotal.

Thomas said that approach was a mistake.

“If state officials have the authority they have claimed, we need to make it clear. If not, we need to put an end to this practice now before the consequences become catastrophic,” he wrote."
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Truly a patriot and an intellect.
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Republicans screwed up before the election by letting those procedures be put in place. Anyone with half a brain would have known that the sorts of funky things that happened in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona were inevitable once the existing poor controls over voter fraud were watered down.

I don't know whether this election was stolen or not. Neither do you, whoever you are that responds to this post. You, nor I, nor anyone else as any way to know. And all the recounts and audits in the world won't tell us.

It's time for republicans to stop fighting battles that they cannot win and start fighting the battles of 2022 and 2024, which they can win.
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(02-22-2021 09:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans screwed up before the election by letting those procedures be put in place. Anyone with half a brain would have known that the sorts of funky things that happened in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona were inevitable once the existing poor controls over voter fraud were watered down.

I don't know whether this election was stolen or not. Neither do you, whoever you are that responds to this post. You, nor I, nor anyone else as any way to know. And all the recounts and audits in the world won't tell us.

It's time for republicans to stop fighting battles that they cannot win and start fighting the battles of 2022 and 2024, which they can win.

That's what this one was about, as Justice Thomas saw. Fight it now, not in December 2022.
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(02-22-2021 11:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  That's what this one was about, as Justice Thomas saw. Fight it now, not in December 2022.

No, not December 2022. That's too late. Just like December 2020 was too late this time. The battle for 2022 starts now, and republicans had better get high behind fighting it NOW.
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(02-22-2021 09:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans screwed up before the election by letting those procedures be put in place. Anyone with half a brain would have known that the sorts of funky things that happened in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona were inevitable once the existing poor controls over voter fraud were watered down.

I don't know whether this election was stolen or not. Neither do you, whoever you are that responds to this post. You, nor I, nor anyone else as any way to know. And all the recounts and audits in the world won't tell us.

It's time for republicans to stop fighting battles that they cannot win and start fighting the battles of 2022 and 2024, which they can win.

Some things are just intuitively knowable. That doesn't constitute proof but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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Dems started fighting in 2016 for the 2020 election. Eric Holder and Mark Elias have sued countless states to hold up their voter ID rules and have districts declared gerrymandered.
They told us in april or May last year what would happen. They said Trump would win the election day votes, but by the time they counted all the mail in votes Biden would be ahead.
Republican controlled states that tried to protect their election laws were sued. Back-room deals were cut with bipartisan election commissions to allow the mail in vote fiasco/fruad to happen so close to the election they couldn't be challenged in court in time.
Dems didnt try to hide it. Trump warned us, but Republicans didn't do anything. Unless there is a massive Conservative movement that begins suing states TODAY, the 2022 election is already lost and we are way behind in 2024.
Dems have the blueprint to ensure victory in presidential and senate races. Does anybody really think they won't find a way to reverse their house losses before 2022?

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Thats why all the GOP controlled state houses need to pass rules now so they can go through the courts when inevitably sued.

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(02-23-2021 06:48 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Dems started fighting in 2016 for the 2020 election. Eric Holder and Mark Elias have sued countless states to hold up their voter ID rules and have districts declared gerrymandered.
They told us in april or May last year what would happen. They said Trump would win the election day votes, but by the time they counted all the mail in votes Biden would be ahead.
Republican controlled states that tried to protect their election laws were sued. Back-room deals were cut with bipartisan election commissions to allow the mail in vote fiasco/fruad to happen so close to the election they couldn't be challenged in court in time.
Dems didnt try to hide it. Trump warned us, but Republicans didn't do anything. Unless there is a massive Conservative movement that begins suing states TODAY, the 2022 election is already lost and we are way behind in 2024.
Dems have the blueprint to ensure victory in presidential and senate races. Does anybody really think they won't find a way to reverse their house losses before 2022?
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(02-22-2021 11:50 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 11:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  That's what this one was about, as Justice Thomas saw. Fight it now, not in December 2022.

No, not December 2022. That's too late. Just like December 2020 was too late this time. The battle for 2022 starts now, and republicans had better get high behind fighting it NOW.

Well the Democratic judges will be approving weakening of the security of the voting system on November 1, 2022. That's why you need to continue to fight the 2020 battles now, but it doesn't look like any of the Supreme Court but Thomas understands that.
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(02-23-2021 06:26 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 09:57 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Republicans screwed up before the election by letting those procedures be put in place. Anyone with half a brain would have known that the sorts of funky things that happened in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Arizona were inevitable once the existing poor controls over voter fraud were watered down.

I don't know whether this election was stolen or not. Neither do you, whoever you are that responds to this post. You, nor I, nor anyone else as any way to know. And all the recounts and audits in the world won't tell us.

It's time for republicans to stop fighting battles that they cannot win and start fighting the battles of 2022 and 2024, which they can win.

Some things are just intuitively knowable. That doesn't constitute proof but it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I KNOW the Democrats stole the Georgia presidential election. I know the corruption of this state.

I think they stole Arizona and Wisconsin, but I don't know that and they might have stolen Pennsylvania and Nevada also. Them stealing Michigan is far-fetched, but not beyond the realm of possibility.
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Quote:The U.S. Supreme Court’s appalling decision not to hear a Republican challenge to Pennsylvania’s extra-legal changing of election laws shortly before the 2020 vote—which likely delivered the state to Joe Biden in the wee hours of election night—is just the latest disgrace of the John Roberts court, and a clear signal of future trouble for the Republic.

Pusillanimity has marked the chief justice and the institution he leads since his volte-face regarding the 2012 Obamacare decision, in which he saved the misbegotten, intrusive, and blatantly unconstitutional law at the last minute by choosing to call the “individual mandate” a tax—that is to say, a hitherto unprecedented ukase by the federal government that once-free citizens had to buy a health care policy under threat of IRS penalty.

A human weathervane, Roberts has gone on from that low point to plumb ever-new depths of moral cowardice as, increasingly, he sides with court’s dwindling liberal bloc to become, in effect, the new Anthony Kennedy—the regal one-man swing vote on matters of urgent national importance. For as long as he is on the court, which is to say for life, Roberts will be the lasting unfortunate legacy of the George W. Bush administration—even more damaging than Daddy’s Revenge (Iraq 2001), the Forever War in Afghanistan, now in its 20th year, and 9/11 itself.

Buildings can be rebuilt. Troops can and ought to be called home, especially when they are dying for nothing. But the Constitution, once shredded, is not so easily repaired.

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The Feb. 22 non-decision to turn away a case involving “absentee” ballots that arrived up to three days after the November election as “moot,” was, in fact, a decision in itself, indeed the Catch-22 of Robertsian jurisprudence.

The high court had shunted aside the case (in a 4–4 decision with Roberts siding with the liberals and Amy Coney Barrett not yet confirmed) in October 2020, in effect inviting the plaintiffs to return after the voting to show injury, if any. Heads, Democrats win; tails, Republicans lose. After all, Trump finally conceded, didn’t he, so what’s the problem? Case closed.

Heading into the election following the death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, conservatives liked to think that with the appointment of Barrett, the ideological split would be 6-3. And, in fact, in this case, they were right. All three dissenters were conservative: Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch. The other six, including Roberts, were silent.

“The Pennsylvania Legislature established an unambiguous deadline for receiving mail-in ballots: 8 p.m. on election day,” Thomas wrote in his dissent. “Dissatisfied, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court extended that deadline by three days. The court also ordered officials to count ballots received by the new deadline even if there was no evidence—such as a postmark—that the ballots were mailed by election day. … These cases provide us with an ideal opportunity to address just what authority nonlegislative officials have to set election rules, and to do so well before the next election cycle. The refusal to do so is inexplicable.”

Maybe not. What we’ve learned from Roberts is that he’s susceptible to pressure and hates conflict.

In one of the most disgraceful episodes in the court’s history, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), losing his cool over abortion “rights” on the steps of the Supreme Court, directly threatened Roberts’s colleagues Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh.

“I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price,” he said last March. “You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

Roberts’s milquetoast reaction? “Justices know that criticism comes with the territory, but threatening statements of this sort from the highest levels of government are not only inappropriate, they are dangerous. All Members of the Court will continue to do their job, without fear or favor, from whatever quarter.”

Still, Schumer’s message came through loud and clear: Vote our way or face the packing of the nation’s highest court with a fistful of new justices. With the election of Biden last fall, that prospect is now within reach. Elections really do have consequences.

And now here they are; two of the three judges Trump appointed to the Supreme Court have stood idly by while the Constitution’s directives for election law just got shredded. Perhaps not surprising: Kavanaugh’s tearing up during his nasty confirmation was embarrassing, and nothing he’s done since has indicated any desire for quiet payback. And so far, Barrett has been a cipher.

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To be clear, accepting this case wouldn’t have meant overturning the election. At this point, the vote challenges wouldn’t make any difference to the outcome. But it’s the principle of the thing. If six justices are utterly uninterested in discovering whether our electoral system has now been corrupted beyond repair, we are in more trouble than we thought.

So let’s cut to the chase: There was no Kraken, no Plan, no deus ex machina. Former Vice President Mike Pence couldn’t have voided the certified results of the election, however hinkily obtained. Republican senators were perfectly within their rights to question the results, and Pence might have sought to broker a compromise on Jan. 6 in which serious allegations of fraud might have been examined. But Pence had neither the political talent nor the temperament for such a task—even with the precedent-setting example of 1876 right in front of his nose.

In any case, handing the likes of Schumer and his cronies in the media the propaganda victory of the breach of Capitol Hill by hundreds of protesters—a blunder of epic proportions—ended any further maneuvering.

So now, the court sits in a Washington ringed by razor wire and occupied by armed troops while a bumbling old man plays video games with his granddaughter at Camp David and a woman raised in Canada of two foreign-born parents makes international phone calls to heads of state in Europe and elsewhere.

Let’s face facts: What got us here wasn’t theft and media malfeasance; those were just the symptoms of a Democrat-induced malignancy that leveraged the absurd panic over COVID-19 into a free-for-all election in which you could vote without ID, vote months ahead of the election, vote days after the election, “cure” your ballot if you made a “mistake,” allow a complete stranger to “harvest” your vote, and never have to prove provenance. One more election under these rules and the Republic is dead.

Cut to the chase: The only way this can be rectified is by a restoration of our traditional system of voting: one man, one vote, one time, on one day, certified by positive identification at a designated polling place, within an ironclad time period. Ignore the bleating about the disparate impact on minorities, bogus civil rights issues, or the racist allegations that blacks and Hispanics are often incapable of using common technology to be fully informed citizens.

If you want to do something about the election of 2020, do something about the elections of 2022 and 2024—right now.

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Quote:CNN legal analyst Joan Biskupic was excoriated for a Monday article in which she claimed Justice Clarence Thomas sympathized with former President Donald Trump’s allegations of election fraud in one of his dissents earlier this week.

“Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas on Monday claimed election fraud is a threat to America, revealing in a forceful dissent some support for former President Donald Trump and Republicans who have refused to accept the result of the 2020 election,” Biskupic began in an article titled “Justice Clarence Thomas reveals some sympathy for Trump’s baseless fraud claims.”

In a tweet, Biskupic went even further to say Thomas “aligns” with “Trump’s baseless election fraud claims.”

“A longtime conservative, Thomas’ legal views naturally aligned with the Trump administration,” she continued in the article. “But his dissent stands out for how much it subscribed to the Trump worldview of fraud, a notion debunked by election law experts and that has failed overwhelmingly in dozens of state and federal court challenges.”

Before going after his wife, Ginni Thomas, for her views, Biskupic went on to pull various quotes from Thomas’ 11-page dissent, noting how often he used the word “fraud” and implying that Thomas and Trump are basically on the same page regarding the 2020 presidential election.

Ed Whelan, who is a distinguished senior fellow of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, tore into Biskupic’s article in a piece for National Review titled “Bizarre Distortion of Justice Thomas’s Election Dissent.”

“I’m amazed to see that Thomas’s dissent somehow generated this wildly distorted article from CNN’s veteran Supreme Court reporter Joan Biskupic,” he wrote.

“A trusting reader might imagine that Thomas’s dissent is replete with references to Dominion and Smartmatic and to various of Trump’s other allegations of fraud,” Whelan continued. “In fact, Thomas makes no mention of such allegations. Nor does the word ‘Trump’ appear a single time in his opinion.”

“Moreover, Thomas states in his opening paragraph (and repeats twice later) that the Pennsylvania supreme court decision that the Court was asked to review ‘seems to have affected too few ballots to change the outcome of any federal election,’” added Whelan. “That’s not a statement you ever heard Donald Trump make.”

Ilya Shapiro, director of the Robert A. Levy Center for Constitutional Studies at the Cato Institute, also took CNN to task for publishing Biskupic’s article, calling it “false framing.”

Thomas was joined in his dissent by Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch. As The Daily Wire reported:

Justice Clarence Thomas issued a vigorous dissent Monday in response to the Supreme Court’s decision not to hear a challenge against the Pennsylvania state court’s ruling that permitted ballots to be counted even if they were received three days after Election Day.

“One wonders what the Court waits for,” Thomas wrote. “We failed to settle this dispute before the election, and thus provide clear rules. Now we again fail to provide clear rules for future elections. The decision to leave election law hidden beneath a shroud of doubt is baffling. By doing nothing, we invite further confusion and erosion of voter confidence. Our fellow citizens deserve better and expect more of us. I respectfully dissent.”

Thomas acknowledged that the case before the Court would not have changed the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, but he also warned that the unwillingness of the Supreme Court to deal with the issues presented in the case now could hold potential problems in the future.

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