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RE: Game Day Thread: Cincy at Coog High
(02-23-2021 12:45 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-23-2021 12:33 PM)levydl Wrote:  Scott was a redshirt. He was rated right about where Hardnett was, for ex.

Keith Williams was not quite as highly rated as Clark and Evans and surely Cumberland, but he was a near 100 guy. It's true that Cronin needed more of those higher-end recruits to have a top 10-20 team. But the rest of the guys were longer-term projects on the same path as Scott and Brooks and Justin Jennifer. Again, had any of those guys transferred out early in their careers, do you think they end up at a top program or at the places where the later guys ended up?

I don't know where they end up. I know they were far more talented than most of the lower recruits mick brought in his last few classes. I know mick didn't bring anyone in like the top recruits he brought from 2013-2015. If you don't see the drastic talent drop-off in recruiting I don't know what else to say.
Recruiting rankings are important but not everything. KW may have had a better recruiting ranking than Troy but Troy was a better player as a 17 year old freshman than KW is as a senior. Sometimes raters get infatuated with an attribute like KW's athleticism and ignore that he didn't have basketball skills. I don't even think he's underachieved. I just think he's limited from a talent standpoint. And I think we all knew from day 1 that he wasn't in that line of key player from Troy, Gary, JE3, and Jarron. Had we gotten back to recruiting those types KW would be an excellent #3 scorer on a good team.
 
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RE: Game Day Thread: Cincy at Coog High
(02-23-2021 01:46 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  
(02-23-2021 12:45 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-23-2021 12:33 PM)levydl Wrote:  Scott was a redshirt. He was rated right about where Hardnett was, for ex.

Keith Williams was not quite as highly rated as Clark and Evans and surely Cumberland, but he was a near 100 guy. It's true that Cronin needed more of those higher-end recruits to have a top 10-20 team. But the rest of the guys were longer-term projects on the same path as Scott and Brooks and Justin Jennifer. Again, had any of those guys transferred out early in their careers, do you think they end up at a top program or at the places where the later guys ended up?

I don't know where they end up. I know they were far more talented than most of the lower recruits mick brought in his last few classes. I know mick didn't bring anyone in like the top recruits he brought from 2013-2015. If you don't see the drastic talent drop-off in recruiting I don't know what else to say.
Recruiting rankings are important but not everything. KW may have had a better recruiting ranking than Troy but Troy was a better player as a 17 year old freshman than KW is as a senior. Sometimes raters get infatuated with an attribute like KW's athleticism and ignore that he didn't have basketball skills. I don't even think he's underachieved. I just think he's limited from a talent standpoint. And I think we all knew from day 1 that he wasn't in that line of key player from Troy, Gary, JE3, and Jarron. Had we gotten back to recruiting those types KW would be an excellent #3 scorer on a good team.

Absolutely agree with this post.
 
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RE: Game Day Thread: Cincy at Coog High
This may have been covered already, so forgive me if it has.

At least twice, maybe more, in the game Sunday Madsen was guarding his guy on the wing, and was overplaying to the top of the key, forcing the guy towards the baseline with the ball.

The guy blew past madsen and went baseline for an easy layup.

Both times I remember Madsen looking towards his teammate in the paint with a look of "wtf are you doing?" like he was expecting backside help.

Was this an example of madsen overplaying, not being quick enough to stay in front of his guy, and getting burned?

Or is it an example of them purposely having madsen overplay to cut off movement to the top of the key, knowing that he would need backside help when the guy went baseline, and his teammate blowing the help defense?

I'm curious because it made madsen look like he was wearing bricks on his shoes. Is he really that slow, or was he overplaying on purpose because he was supposed to have backside help?
 
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RE: Game Day Thread: Cincy at Coog High
(02-23-2021 03:29 PM)namrag Wrote:  This may have been covered already, so forgive me if it has.

At least twice, maybe more, in the game Sunday Madsen was guarding his guy on the wing, and was overplaying to the top of the key, forcing the guy towards the baseline with the ball.

The guy blew past madsen and went baseline for an easy layup.

Both times I remember Madsen looking towards his teammate in the paint with a look of "wtf are you doing?" like he was expecting backside help.

Was this an example of madsen overplaying, not being quick enough to stay in front of his guy, and getting burned?

Or is it an example of them purposely having madsen overplay to cut off movement to the top of the key, knowing that he would need backside help when the guy went baseline, and his teammate blowing the help defense?

I'm curious because it made madsen look like he was wearing bricks on his shoes. Is he really that slow, or was he overplaying on purpose because he was supposed to have backside help?

I'm no guru and was only half paying attention by the time Madsen started getting serious minutes but I think Tre Scott covered for pretty much the entire team last season with his ability to switch and guard the rim. Vogt is just too slow and Diarra has zero mental game to handle making switches on defense which is why they try to use him at the top of the zone where he doesn't have to think as much. Its getting exposed this season. What confuses me is why bring in a guy like Rap when he obviously wasn't going to add any rim protection whatsoever.
 
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RE: Game Day Thread: Cincy at Coog High
(02-23-2021 03:29 PM)namrag Wrote:  This may have been covered already, so forgive me if it has.

At least twice, maybe more, in the game Sunday Madsen was guarding his guy on the wing, and was overplaying to the top of the key, forcing the guy towards the baseline with the ball.

The guy blew past madsen and went baseline for an easy layup.

Both times I remember Madsen looking towards his teammate in the paint with a look of "wtf are you doing?" like he was expecting backside help.

Was this an example of madsen overplaying, not being quick enough to stay in front of his guy, and getting burned?

Or is it an example of them purposely having madsen overplay to cut off movement to the top of the key, knowing that he would need backside help when the guy went baseline, and his teammate blowing the help defense?

I'm curious because it made madsen look like he was wearing bricks on his shoes. Is he really that slow, or was he overplaying on purpose because he was supposed to have backside help?

Actually they are supposed to force him baseline and the guy down low is to rotate to stop for the trap. Twice Davenport wasn't paying attention and didn't move to rotate baseline for the stop until it was much to late. That's why he was guarding that direction to invite him to go baseline. The younger guys particularly Davenport and Eason have been lost on defense since the get go. Much to learn there. Sunday Eason was on their bigger kid and MAW was picked and ran completely around the guy, but Eason never moved to step out or make any attempt at a switch and the guy goes right in for a layup.
 
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