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I put this on the old dominion blog. How about reducing the footprint of lower schools. Waive the exit fees. Have the lower fcs schools have 5 nine team conferences. Bigger slice of the pie. 8 conference games in football,16 in basketball. Most games are shown by espn3 or plus. Appeal to NCAA to give 5 auto bids instead of 3 by increasing interest among regional rivalries and saving money on far flung conferences. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
UMass/Vermont*
Connecticut/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami of Ohio
Akron
Kent St.
Bowling Green

MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Toledo
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Northern Iowa
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
UTEP
New Mexico State
*-NON-FOOTBALL

That will create rivalries,allow more money,less expense and maybe even grow their brand. Just a lot of thought into a bleeding system that needs a tourniquet. I like the idea. Thoughts?
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Ohhhhhh dear lord......
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(02-21-2021 12:43 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Ohhhhhh dear lord......

Well,what is wrong with it? Not disturbing the p5 or aac or mountain west or even the Atlantic 10. Just an idea to try and fix it and make sense of things. Thoughts?
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Isn’t the far flung conference issue more a CUSA thing?
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(02-21-2021 12:58 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 12:43 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Ohhhhhh dear lord......

Well,what is wrong with it? Not disturbing the p5 or aac or mountain west or even the Atlantic 10. Just an idea to try and fix it and make sense of things. Thoughts?

No MAC school is going to send their basketball teams or even football teams 9 to 12 hours away to the Dakota’s, period. MAC schools don’t recruit there, just like Vermont or Marist??? (Seriously Marist??) Look at some maps and you’ll see reasons why this doesn’t work.
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There is close to zero understanding on how the MAC works on here.

MAC west plays good football. Its produced 2 New Year's Bowl teams in the last 10 years in NIU, WMU and Toledo/CMU are consistent winners.

Thus the best shot Buffalo, Ohio and Miami have to play in a competitive FB conference is not to be aligning with Army and UMass or something like Marshall/WKU but to continue to play in the MAC.

Its kind of like wanting the MWC front range schools to split and play in a league with NMSU and UTEP. They are better off in a whole MWC with Boise, SDSU ect.
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Heyzeus (sic) Christ! There is no way that soup sandwich realignment happens. What is wrong with it? Most of the fcs schools you have in FBS have zero desire or lack the ability to be FBS. That is a disaster
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Also size does matter. MAC currently at 12 is bigger than the MVC and the same size as the Horizon.

You wouldn't want to have a 10 team FB league stretched across the Summit, MVC, Horizon like that.

Its better to saturate a smaller area like the MAC has now and stay in control.
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(02-21-2021 01:15 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Also size does matter. MAC currently at 12 is bigger than the MVC and the same size as the Horizon.

You wouldn't want to have a 10 team FB league stretched across the Summit, MVC, Horizon like that.

Its better to saturate a smaller area like the MAC has now and stay in control.

Ok gotcha MAC fans. Just a thought.
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(02-21-2021 01:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  There is close to zero understanding on how the MAC works on here.

MAC west plays good football. Its produced 2 New Year's Bowl teams in the last 10 years in NIU, WMU and Toledo/CMU are consistent winners.

Thus the best shot Buffalo, Ohio and Miami have to play in a competitive FB conference is not to be aligning with Army and UMass or something like Marshall/WKU but to continue to play in the MAC.

Its kind of like wanting the MWC front range schools to split and play in a league with NMSU and UTEP. They are better off in a whole MWC with Boise, SDSU ect.

The MAC is fine, arguably even perfect, in terms of the member schools.

The MAC's problem is that it does not generate the revenue, either as a conference or at the level of the individual school, needed to run football at the level that its admins and other aspirational leaders want it to run at. They have built white elephant stadiums and have had their football teams stay in hotels the night before home games, as if they were making LSU or Michigan money.

MAC football should be scaled back in terms of scope, maybe to FCS level, to be fiscally solvent.
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I see the problem now. Maybe we should just let p5 make all the money and maybe just fade away into our own little conferences and just take a beating financially and figuratively as well.
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(02-21-2021 12:24 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  I put this on the old dominion blog. How about reducing the footprint of lower schools. Waive the exit fees. Have the lower fcs schools have 5 nine team conferences. Bigger slice of the pie. 8 conference games in football,16 in basketball. Most games are shown by espn3 or plus. Appeal to NCAA to give 5 auto bids instead of 3 by increasing interest among regional rivalries and saving money on far flung conferences. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
UMass/Vermont*
Connecticut/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami of Ohio
Akron
Kent St.
Bowling Green

MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Toledo
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Northern Iowa
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
UTEP
New Mexico State
*-NON-FOOTBALL

That will create rivalries,allow more money,less expense and maybe even grow their brand. Just a lot of thought into a bleeding system that needs a tourniquet. I like the idea. Thoughts?

This sounds like a plan designed to improve Old Dominion's station at everyone else's expense. Why would anyone suppose that this would provide a "bigger slice of the pie" to current G5 schools? The size of the pie is fixed, and this has nine more schools drawing from it. In addition to the four FCS schools added, five FBS independents would now get a larger share. That means the other 60 G5 schools would have to get less. And the NCAA isn't about to give weak conferences more autobids at the expense of the P6 conferences in hoops.
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RE: Lower g5 revolurion
(02-21-2021 01:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 12:24 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  I put this on the old dominion blog. How about reducing the footprint of lower schools. Waive the exit fees. Have the lower fcs schools have 5 nine team conferences. Bigger slice of the pie. 8 conference games in football,16 in basketball. Most games are shown by espn3 or plus. Appeal to NCAA to give 5 auto bids instead of 3 by increasing interest among regional rivalries and saving money on far flung conferences. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
UMass/Vermont*
Connecticut/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami of Ohio
Akron
Kent St.
Bowling Green

MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Toledo
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Northern Iowa
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
UTEP
New Mexico State
*-NON-FOOTBALL

That will create rivalries,allow more money,less expense and maybe even grow their brand. Just a lot of thought into a bleeding system that needs a tourniquet. I like the idea. Thoughts?

This sounds like a plan designed to improve Old Dominion's station at everyone else's expense. Why would anyone suppose that this would provide a "bigger slice of the pie" to current G5 schools? The size of the pie is fixed, and this has nine more schools drawing from it. In addition to the four FCS schools added, five FBS independents would now get a larger share. That means the other 60 G5 schools would have to get less. And the NCAA isn't about to give weak conferences more autobids at the expense of the P6 conferences in hoops.

Like I said above this issue seems more like a CUSA thing. As a LU fan I’m perfectly fine being Indy FBS and enjoy the flexibility in scheduling. And whatever money we get from the CFP is nice but we don’t need it to keep on keeping on.
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(02-21-2021 01:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 12:24 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  I put this on the old dominion blog. How about reducing the footprint of lower schools. Waive the exit fees. Have the lower fcs schools have 5 nine team conferences. Bigger slice of the pie. 8 conference games in football,16 in basketball. Most games are shown by espn3 or plus. Appeal to NCAA to give 5 auto bids instead of 3 by increasing interest among regional rivalries and saving money on far flung conferences. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
UMass/Vermont*
Connecticut/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami of Ohio
Akron
Kent St.
Bowling Green

MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Toledo
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Northern Iowa
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
UTEP
New Mexico State
*-NON-FOOTBALL

That will create rivalries,allow more money,less expense and maybe even grow their brand. Just a lot of thought into a bleeding system that needs a tourniquet. I like the idea. Thoughts?

This sounds like a plan designed to improve Old Dominion's station at everyone else's expense. Why would anyone suppose that this would provide a "bigger slice of the pie" to current G5 schools? The size of the pie is fixed, and this has nine more schools drawing from it. In addition to the four FCS schools added, five FBS independents would now get a larger share. That means the other 60 G5 schools would have to get less. And the NCAA isn't about to give weak conferences more autobids at the expense of the P6 conferences in hoops.

Bigger piece of pie would be less travel,especially non-revenue sports and your conference share divided by 10,12, or 14 is worse than divided by 9. I get it MAC schools would probably not like it, but the south atlantic,sun belt and conference usa would love it. MAC is the MAC. I understand. MAC would not have to do it for it to work. I am just suggesting at a more sensible scenario for everyone possible and yes it would help odu and a bunch of other schools as well.
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You guys are right about one thing. It does make sense,but the ncaa is not about sense.
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(02-21-2021 02:20 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 01:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 12:24 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  I put this on the old dominion blog. How about reducing the footprint of lower schools. Waive the exit fees. Have the lower fcs schools have 5 nine team conferences. Bigger slice of the pie. 8 conference games in football,16 in basketball. Most games are shown by espn3 or plus. Appeal to NCAA to give 5 auto bids instead of 3 by increasing interest among regional rivalries and saving money on far flung conferences. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
UMass/Vermont*
Connecticut/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami of Ohio
Akron
Kent St.
Bowling Green

MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Toledo
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Northern Iowa
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
UTEP
New Mexico State
*-NON-FOOTBALL

That will create rivalries,allow more money,less expense and maybe even grow their brand. Just a lot of thought into a bleeding system that needs a tourniquet. I like the idea. Thoughts?

This sounds like a plan designed to improve Old Dominion's station at everyone else's expense. Why would anyone suppose that this would provide a "bigger slice of the pie" to current G5 schools? The size of the pie is fixed, and this has nine more schools drawing from it. In addition to the four FCS schools added, five FBS independents would now get a larger share. That means the other 60 G5 schools would have to get less. And the NCAA isn't about to give weak conferences more autobids at the expense of the P6 conferences in hoops.

Bigger piece of pie would be less travel,especially non-revenue sports and your conference share divided by 10,12, or 14 is worse than divided by 9. I get it MAC schools would probably not like it, but the south atlantic,sun belt and conference usa would love it. MAC is the MAC. I understand. MAC would not have to do it for it to work. I am just suggesting at a more sensible scenario for everyone possible and yes it would help odu and a bunch of other schools as well.

Conference share is only better divided nine ways if you are dividing the same share. You wouldn't be. Each conferences share would be considerably smaller than it is today because there would be seven conferences splitting the non-P5 money instead of six. And it is also likely that each conference's media contract would also be smaller than it is now.

If these conferences thought something like this would benefit them, they would have done it already. They are not stupid.
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I really don’t want WKU to go back to the Sun Belt. But I wouldn’t mind partnering with some MAC and Sun Belt schools to do that A10 FBS expansion rumor.
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What part of adding FCS schools makes for bigger slices of the CFP pie?
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Your NAC is a tire fire. The rest sounds good to me.
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(02-21-2021 12:24 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  I put this on the old dominion blog. How about reducing the footprint of lower schools. Waive the exit fees. Have the lower fcs schools have 5 nine team conferences. Bigger slice of the pie. 8 conference games in football,16 in basketball. Most games are shown by espn3 or plus. Appeal to NCAA to give 5 auto bids instead of 3 by increasing interest among regional rivalries and saving money on far flung conferences. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
UMass/Vermont*
Connecticut/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami of Ohio
Akron
Kent St.
Bowling Green

MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Toledo
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Northern Iowa
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
UTEP
New Mexico State
*-NON-FOOTBALL

That will create rivalries,allow more money,less expense and maybe even grow their brand. Just a lot of thought into a bleeding system that needs a tourniquet. I like the idea. Thoughts?

Never going to happen, and I wouldn't want it to happen anyway.

Retreating into irrelevant regional conferences isn't the formula for success. Not for ODU or any other G5 program. We are all in an arms race against each other. More money, more resources, and more commitment are the only ways to rise and stand out from the rest of the G5.

The AAC is the best G5 conference because as a whole, the programs in their conference understand this fact, and they are committed to being better than the rest of the G5. They spend more on football, build first rate facilities, and do not subscribe to scheduling "money games" to run their departments. There are only a few programs outside of the AAC that are even coming close to keeping up with that level of commitment.

These shortsighted regional proposals are just bandaids on much larger problems facing some of the G5 programs. The truth is that not every program that wants to compete in the FBS has the resources, commitment, and/or backing to do so at a respectable level. COVID has exposed this truth like never before. Many athletic department are hemorrhaging money and they will have to face some hard realities if things don't turn around in the near future.
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