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(02-21-2021 02:50 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  I really don’t want WKU to go back to the Sun Belt. But I wouldn’t mind partnering with some MAC and Sun Belt schools to do that A10 FBS expansion rumor.

OP plan is clearly not the Sun Belt Conference you left from, its in name only, which maybe the same to you. OP plan also is a improvement for very few of the teams listed. I could see how ODU fans would like it though. The rest of us hard pass.
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(02-21-2021 12:24 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  I put this on the old dominion blog. How about reducing the footprint of lower schools. Waive the exit fees. Have the lower fcs schools have 5 nine team conferences. Bigger slice of the pie. 8 conference games in football,16 in basketball. Most games are shown by espn3 or plus. Appeal to NCAA to give 5 auto bids instead of 3 by increasing interest among regional rivalries and saving money on far flung conferences. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
UMass/Vermont*
Connecticut/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami of Ohio
Akron
Kent St.
Bowling Green

MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Toledo
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Northern Iowa
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
UTEP
New Mexico State
*-NON-FOOTBALL

That will create rivalries,allow more money,less expense and maybe even grow their brand. Just a lot of thought into a bleeding system that needs a tourniquet. I like the idea. Thoughts?

Go away not our fault you don’t like your conference. Also you need to do some homework this actually makes travel worse for UL.
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(02-21-2021 02:20 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Bigger piece of pie would be less travel,especially non-revenue sports and your conference share divided by 10,12, or 14 is worse than divided by 9. I get it MAC schools would probably not like it,... MAC would not have to do it for it to work. ...

Given your source of bigger piece of the pie is less travel while you propose more travel for every MAC school, and bigger share of conference revenue while putting the MAC schools in conferences that will generate less revenue per school, and skip past the fact that the per school CFP money drops with every school that gets a slice of the single "Group of N" CFP share, ...

... by your own logic this makes zero sense for MAC schools.
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I will note that there are essentially 2 different ideas here:
CUSA/SB + Liberty/JMU/NMSU (divided into 3 regional conferences)
and MAC expanded to 18 (divided into East and West conferences)

One has been discussed as nauseum. The second seems novel, but I hear the MAC is the most stable FBS conference out there and there is no problem that expansion would solve.
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(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 12:24 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  I put this on the old dominion blog. How about reducing the footprint of lower schools. Waive the exit fees. Have the lower fcs schools have 5 nine team conferences. Bigger slice of the pie. 8 conference games in football,16 in basketball. Most games are shown by espn3 or plus. Appeal to NCAA to give 5 auto bids instead of 3 by increasing interest among regional rivalries and saving money on far flung conferences. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
UMass/Vermont*
Connecticut/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo
Ohio
Miami of Ohio
Akron
Kent St.
Bowling Green

MID-AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Toledo
Ball State
Northern Illinois
Northern Iowa
North Dakota State
South Dakota State

SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE
Marshall
James Madison
Liberty
Old Dominion
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
Rice
UTSA
Texas State
North Texas
UTEP
New Mexico State
*-NON-FOOTBALL

That will create rivalries,allow more money,less expense and maybe even grow their brand. Just a lot of thought into a bleeding system that needs a tourniquet. I like the idea. Thoughts?

Go away not our fault you don’t like your conference. Also you need to do some homework this actually makes travel worse for UL.

I know tried to keep ULL and ULM together. Oh and forgive me for trying to give a suggestion
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If the g5 are going to EVER get a chance to have equal footing with p5 they are going to have to be smart and think out of the box. I've heard every one of you talk about how my idea is stupid. It may be
I don't think so. But if it is, I would like to hear honest, non-insulting ideas about what it would take for your school or any of these schools to make the money or get the prestige to get to the p5 level or to just make it to the aac or mountain west level, because brother, what you have set up now AIN'T working and us throwing money into a losing and I mean losing proposition is dumb. I read a MAC guy telling me how I do not understand the MAC, how they got 2 schools into the new years six. That is great,but what did that get you? You are still a low level g5. I read 1 guy saying maybe MAC should be FCS. How does that make you feel? G5 fans, our schools must come up with a system,no matter how outlandish it sounds, to get our schools into the mix. Now,let's hear some ideas.
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(02-22-2021 05:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If the g5 are going to EVER get a chance to have equal footing with p5 they are going to have to be smart and think out of the box. I've heard every one of you talk about how my idea is stupid. It may be
I don't think so. But if it is, I would like to hear honest, non-insulting ideas about what it would take for your school or any of these schools to make the money or get the prestige to get to the p5 level or to just make it to the aac or mountain west level, because brother, what you have set up now AIN'T working and us throwing money into a losing and I mean losing proposition is dumb. I read a MAC guy telling me how I do not understand the MAC, how they got 2 schools into the new years six. That is great,but what did that get you? You are still a low level g5. I read 1 guy saying maybe MAC should be FCS. How does that make you feel? G5 fans, our schools must come up with a system,no matter how outlandish it sounds, to get our schools into the mix. Now,let's hear some ideas.

Contrary to what someone said, the MAC as a whole will never drop down a level. There are however, a few programs that do need to step up their game just like some lower level G5 (as you like to call it) need to do likewise or end up in FCS land...
The major hurdle is dealing with the “golden rule” of college athletics. That being, the schools with all the gold make all the rules. Until a fair an equitable payout, also implementing an expanded CFB playoff system is established, we will be having this discussion for years on end...
And, hey I appreciate your input and ideas... 04-cheers
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(02-22-2021 07:11 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  The major hurdle is dealing with the “golden rule” of college athletics. That being, the schools with all the gold make all the rules. Until a fair an equitable payout, also implementing an expanded CFB playoff system is established, we will be having this discussion for years on end...
And, hey I appreciate your input and ideas... 04-cheers

Programs like Alabama and Notre Dame and USC "have the gold" because they have built famous programs that draw lots of local and national support.

There's nothing stopping MAC schools from doing the same. Ohio State cannot prevent Akron or Toledo from building up their fan base and viewing audience and commanding more dollars from many sources.

But OTOH, Ohio State is not obligated, by any standards of 'fairness' or 'equity' to just share what they have earned with MAC schools either. They earned the money.
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(02-22-2021 05:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If the g5 are going to EVER get a chance to have equal footing with p5 they are going to have to be smart and think out of the box. I've heard every one of you talk about how my idea is stupid. It may be
I don't think so. But if it is, I would like to hear honest, non-insulting ideas about what it would take for your school or any of these schools to make the money or get the prestige to get to the p5 level or to just make it to the aac or mountain west level, because brother, what you have set up now AIN'T working and us throwing money into a losing and I mean losing proposition is dumb. I read a MAC guy telling me how I do not understand the MAC, how they got 2 schools into the new years six. That is great,but what did that get you? You are still a low level g5. I read 1 guy saying maybe MAC should be FCS. How does that make you feel? G5 fans, our schools must come up with a system,no matter how outlandish it sounds, to get our schools into the mix. Now,let's hear some ideas.

If becoming equal to the P5 is the goal then there wont be many constructive ideas to be had, because barring some massive scandals or Armageddon the heirarchy wont change. Its just not likely to ever happen. Maybe if every G5 team went undefeated against the P5 for a a decade straight we could see some erosion but even then they have such a huge head start in fan support that wont just switch sides.
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(02-21-2021 12:59 PM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  Isn’t the far flung conference issue more a CUSA thing?

So aren't you asking "Who Flung Poo"? 03-lmfao
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(02-22-2021 05:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If the g5 are going to EVER get a chance to have equal footing with p5 they are going to have to be smart and think out of the box. I've heard every one of you talk about how my idea is stupid. It may be
I don't think so. But if it is, I would like to hear honest, non-insulting ideas about what it would take for your school or any of these schools to make the money or get the prestige to get to the p5 level or to just make it to the aac or mountain west level, because brother, what you have set up now AIN'T working and us throwing money into a losing and I mean losing proposition is dumb. I read a MAC guy telling me how I do not understand the MAC, how they got 2 schools into the new years six. That is great,but what did that get you? You are still a low level g5. I read 1 guy saying maybe MAC should be FCS. How does that make you feel? G5 fans, our schools must come up with a system,no matter how outlandish it sounds, to get our schools into the mix. Now,let's hear some ideas.

If your trying to get on a P5 level, all you need is a playoff system that includes all 10 FBS conferences. You cant build P5 level from rearranging the G5 and adding FCS. getting in this mix is not something we have control over alone. maybe if the G5 all came together with the Pac 12, we might have something to build on.

Its not a insult to say your idea is good for ODU but not most of everyone else. As it stands now, the Sun Belt feels it is on the Mountain West level, time will tell if thats true, but just in feeling like that, makes it hard to make major adjustment to conference membership that works out for all. I could give a idea to improve the Sun Belt to reach AAC level, but it will be at the detriment of others. that's the way its going to work. cant get better and keep everyone happy, unless your current league starts winning enough to organically improve like the Sun Belt has over the last 5 years, and that takes time. peoples perception/opinions change much slower than the actual W/L product on the field does.
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(02-22-2021 05:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If the g5 are going to EVER get a chance to have equal footing with p5 they are going to have to be smart and think out of the box.

If equal footing with the P5 is the goal, none of us will live long enough to see it achieved. For the most part, those schools built what they have today over more than a century. They include nearly every state's flagship university and have invested heavily in facilities and staff. Much of CUSA and the Sun Belt are new to FBS football in the past 25 years and all are dominated by in state competition.

Unlike corporate America, there is no opportunity for a G5 school to come up with some game changing technology that would catapult them quickly into power status. Simply changing the way they are organized into conferences isn't going to help the G5 conferences. CUSA and the Sun Belt might have an opportunity to make changes that their members would agree to that would make very minor improvements in their cost structure, but none of those changes will have much impact on their revenues.

The gap between the P5 and the G5 is huge, and it's going to stay that way. The G5 schools just need to find a way to accept that this is their lot in the world of athletics and identify some aspect of athletics - probably not football - that they can excel in.
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(02-22-2021 10:11 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 05:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If the g5 are going to EVER get a chance to have equal footing with p5 they are going to have to be smart and think out of the box.

If equal footing with the P5 is the goal, none of us will live long enough to see it achieved. For the most part, those schools built what they have today over more than a century. They include nearly every state's flagship university and have invested heavily in facilities and staff. Much of CUSA and the Sun Belt are new to FBS football in the past 25 years and all are dominated by in state competition.

Unlike corporate America, there is no opportunity for a G5 school to come up with some game changing technology that would catapult them quickly into power status. Simply changing the way they are organized into conferences isn't going to help the G5 conferences. CUSA and the Sun Belt might have an opportunity to make changes that their members would agree to that would make very minor improvements in their cost structure, but none of those changes will have much impact on their revenues.

The gap between the P5 and the G5 is huge, and it's going to stay that way. The G5 schools just need to find a way to accept that this is their lot in the world of athletics and identify some aspect of athletics - probably not football - that they can excel in.

I agree that history suggests you are totally correct, and the analogy with business and technology is appropriate.

Still, I have seen some things come to pass that I figured never would in my lifetime - The Berlin Wall falling, the Twin Towers falling, Donald Trump and Barack Obama being elected President immediately come to mind.

So, especially with the legal uncertainty around NIL and pay for play, I am not 100% sure. The legal terrain is one place where a revolutionary upheaval might possibly occur.

I don't think it will, and heck if a legal revolution occurs it will likely reinforce rather than destroy existing status hierarchies, but IMO it's within the realm of possibility.
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Very interesting responses. I believe if low g5 would ever have hope of making aac or mountain west level(remember you must get there first),they must do several things, I believe, to achieve this dream. I believe first and foremost you must be exciting and relevant. Everyone loves a winner,but be worth watching. Your conferences needs to have rivalries and traditions. I find it hard to have rivals thousands of miles away. You must have top notch facilities and to get that you have to hit up alumni,donors,and corporations. It is essential to have a structure of people who are not afraid to sell their university. Get your name out there. Do not be afraid to put your merchandise out there. Use local media,use them hard. My dad said you can't make money without spending money. Schedule better. There are ways to get p5s to your place. Before the pandemic, ODU had wake forest and uva coming in and has had va. Tech here and scheduled for several more times. If you get your facilities straight and have this all happen, you will see better and better players and coaches and more pub. The conferences MUST have like minded universities for this to work. You must put yourself into the position that you own this side of the street and have mortgages on the other side. It can be done. If you have half empty or less stadiums, then don't fool yourself into thinking you are going higher up. You need a base and for god's sake quit wasting money on marshall-utsa app st-texas state and the worst odu-utep,especially in non-revenue sports and us as fans can also do something to help, by pushing your team in your area over the p5 team or teams on the other side of states. Of course, you have to have something to brag about. Fans of lower g5 and lower g5 schools. What are you waiting for? No more excuses
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(02-22-2021 03:00 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Very interesting responses. I believe if low g5 would ever have hope of making aac or mountain west level(remember you must get there first),they must do several things, I believe, to achieve this dream. I believe first and foremost you must be exciting and relevant.

A consistent rule in college athletics is that conferences do not move up in stature. A conference can move down in stature, typically via raids, as happened to the Big East football conference and the WAC a decade ago. But they don't go up in stature.

Individual schools can go up in stature. It's hard to do and rare, but it happens. E.g. TCU, Utah and Louisville in the past 10 or so years.
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(02-22-2021 03:14 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 03:00 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  Very interesting responses. I believe if low g5 would ever have hope of making aac or mountain west level(remember you must get there first),they must do several things, I believe, to achieve this dream. I believe first and foremost you must be exciting and relevant.

A consistent rule in college athletics is that conferences do not move up in stature. A conference can move down in stature, typically via raids, as happened to the Big East football conference and the WAC a decade ago. But they don't go up in stature.

Individual schools can go up in stature. It's hard to do and rare, but it happens. E.g. TCU, Utah and Louisville in the past 10 or so years.

Not with these conferences the way they are,it will never happen. Maybe not the MAC,but CUSA and sun belt need to compartmentalize.The sun belt may think they are on par with mountain west,but no they are not in most peoples eyes and especially those two conferences are bleeding money into to non-money trips. Sun belt had a great year in football, but I bet they lost money.
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(02-22-2021 07:11 AM)FMRocket Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 05:19 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  If the g5 are going to EVER get a chance to have equal footing with p5 they are going to have to be smart and think out of the box. I've heard every one of you talk about how my idea is stupid. It may be
I don't think so. But if it is, I would like to hear honest, non-insulting ideas about what it would take for your school or any of these schools to make the money or get the prestige to get to the p5 level or to just make it to the aac or mountain west level, because brother, what you have set up now AIN'T working and us throwing money into a losing and I mean losing proposition is dumb. I read a MAC guy telling me how I do not understand the MAC, how they got 2 schools into the new years six. That is great,but what did that get you? You are still a low level g5. I read 1 guy saying maybe MAC should be FCS. How does that make you feel? G5 fans, our schools must come up with a system,no matter how outlandish it sounds, to get our schools into the mix. Now,let's hear some ideas.

Contrary to what someone said, the MAC as a whole will never drop down a level. There are however, a few programs that do need to step up their game just like some lower level G5 (as you like to call it) need to do likewise or end up in FCS land...
The major hurdle is dealing with the “golden rule” of college athletics. That being, the schools with all the gold make all the rules. Until a fair an equitable payout, also implementing an expanded CFB playoff system is established, we will be having this discussion for years on end...
And, hey I appreciate your input and ideas... 04-cheers

I hear what you mean about not dropping down. Everyone is constantly thinking New Mexico State is "just about" to drop to FCS and its just not happening there either. FBS is where the money is and there is no reason to drop down. I'm sure it's the same in the MAC.

As far as the conference realignment shown...I could definitely live with New Mexico State being in that CUSA so we would have a football home, but the basketball wouldn't be any good. . Don't know if UTEP would want us in with them anyway.
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The problem with the G5 is they are too obsessed with the Jones's (P5) and how green their grass is. News flash!! You live on the other side of the tracks, and except for a handful of programs (AAC,MWC, and a couple others) nothing is going to change that.

Focus on building fan support rather than the TV contract that isn't ever going to come. Networks don't care about your media market, because your media market mostly doesn't watch you!

You are not getting a shot at the P5 championship, so stop playing meaningless bowl games that nobody really cares about. These bowl games kill the excitement of the regular season because the end result is a given - pretty much however the team performs, even below 500 in some cases, they will typically be playing in some afterthought bowl.

MAC - fans in the stadium are more important than like 500k from your media deal. Fill the stadium and you will make that money back from ticket sales and donations, and alumns will be better connected to the University. Stop playing weekday games. Seriously...

The solution is to stop looking outward and instead look inward. Build excitement around a true post season playoff format, similar tot he FCS. With buy-in, a G5 playoff would be more exciting and draw more eyeballs and money to the G5 schools than what they are currently getting. Conference races would be more exciting with playoff spots on the line for 3rd/4th place teams, and 1st/2nd place bids would be looking for better seeds, since playoff games are ON CAMPUS. The regular season means something again for more teams for a longer period of time. And a deep playoff run would give teams multiple spotlight games, rather than just the one bowl game (more exposure).

Bring the top 10% of FCS teams on board as well.

They system works for schools in the FCS that actually have a fan base, and this is why teams in the MVFC average more ricket revenue and donations than the MAC, and they are about equal with the Sun Belt and CUSA here as well, despite being fcs.

The National landscape for lower end G5 schools would be a hell of a lot more interesting with a full post season playoff and FCS Flagship schools, and some of the other top 10% of the CAA/Big Sky/CAA/ASUN schools added to the mix.

Doing this would also hurt the P5, IMO - consider why they want to keep March Madness as-is. Because the story lines with single elimination playoffs, a larger playoff field, and cinderella story's.

You guys can rip this if you want, but this is what the bottom 60%+ of the G5 needs to do. Focus on yourselves and create a G5 brand and synergy (make the whole better the the sum of its parts). P5 non conf games would still be perfectly fine.
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(02-22-2021 07:32 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The solution is to stop looking outward and instead look inward. Build excitement around a true post season playoff format, similar to the FCS. With buy-in, a G5 playoff would be more exciting and draw more eyeballs and money to the G5 schools than what they are currently getting.

Somehow, that sounds exactly like what most of the schools in CUSA and the Sun Belt recently decided they didn't want. If a tournament like that was so lucrative, why did they all give it up to move to the FBS where they could play in a bowl game?
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RE: Lower g5 revolurion
(02-22-2021 07:32 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  The problem with the G5 is they are too obsessed with the Jones's (P5) and how green their grass is. News flash!! You live on the other side of the tracks, and except for a handful of programs (AAC,MWC, and a couple others) nothing is going to change that.

Focus on building fan support rather than the TV contract that isn't ever going to come. Networks don't care about your media market, because your media market mostly doesn't watch you!

You are not getting a shot at the P5 championship, so stop playing meaningless bowl games that nobody really cares about. These bowl games kill the excitement of the regular season because the end result is a given - pretty much however the team performs, even below 500 in some cases, they will typically be playing in some afterthought bowl.

MAC - fans in the stadium are more important than like 500k from your media deal. Fill the stadium and you will make that money back from ticket sales and donations, and alumns will be better connected to the University. Stop playing weekday games. Seriously...

The solution is to stop looking outward and instead look inward. Build excitement around a true post season playoff format, similar tot he FCS. With buy-in, a G5 playoff would be more exciting and draw more eyeballs and money to the G5 schools than what they are currently getting. Conference races would be more exciting with playoff spots on the line for 3rd/4th place teams, and 1st/2nd place bids would be looking for better seeds, since playoff games are ON CAMPUS. The regular season means something again for more teams for a longer period of time. And a deep playoff run would give teams multiple spotlight games, rather than just the one bowl game (more exposure).

Bring the top 10% of FCS teams on board as well.

They system works for schools in the FCS that actually have a fan base, and this is why teams in the MVFC average more ricket revenue and donations than the MAC, and they are about equal with the Sun Belt and CUSA here as well, despite being fcs.

The National landscape for lower end G5 schools would be a hell of a lot more interesting with a full post season playoff and FCS Flagship schools, and some of the other top 10% of the CAA/Big Sky/CAA/ASUN schools added to the mix.

Doing this would also hurt the P5, IMO - consider why they want to keep March Madness as-is. Because the story lines with single elimination playoffs, a larger playoff field, and cinderella story's.

You guys can rip this if you want, but this is what the bottom 60%+ of the G5 needs to do. Focus on yourselves and create a G5 brand and synergy (make the whole better the the sum of its parts). P5 non conf games would still be perfectly fine.

How's that working for the FCS? Whats the attendance look like in the MVFC? Obviously NDSU has a great fanbase and attendance but I've never really heard anything about the others.

If G5 schools wanted part of a playoff the none of the move ups would have moved up. FCS fans always tout the playoffs as this huge thing. Im sure its very entertaining, and I know there's some quality football, but most people dont even know it takes place. Honestly I wish it were a bigger deal.
02-22-2021 07:58 PM
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