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RE: FBS vs FCS games in 2021
(02-21-2021 08:55 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 08:33 PM)ZooMass84 Wrote:  How pitiful is NMSU to get blown out by an FCS team that was Div. 2 last year?

From what I understand, they had around 60 scholarship players, so it is really possible that Tarleton had more scholarship players on the field. There are rumors that the coach has lost the team, but he did coach the team to a winning record, and won a bowl game. I think this is going to be a really long 2 game spring season, and a really long fall season.
Noting that I am happy with the result.

I feel for you guys in Las Cruces. I genuinely have a soft spot for your program.

I hope you guys get it turned around
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RE: FBS vs FCS games in 2021
(02-19-2021 03:57 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I'm proud half of the 16 teams not playing an FCS team are from the Big Ten and one of them is my Illini. I'm ashamed my Penn State isn't on the list although it is Villanova. I hope Penn State got a basketball game out of the deal. Villanova should use their men's basketball team to get football games.

And ZERO of the 16 are from the SEC.

Pretty sure there are so many B1G schools on this list because they had a moratorium against scheduling FCS when they thought it would improve their playoff chances a few years ago. Since that didn't seem to help them, I think you will see them schedule more FCS going forward.
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(02-20-2021 04:12 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(02-20-2021 03:44 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Here’s the deal. Since CFB does not have an exhibition game(s), coaches like to schedule these games to work iron things out, see guys taking live snaps, building depth, etc. Also, in some of these cases a local FCS opponent will draw more fans than an FBS team. UConn is bringing in Yale, I am guessing that will attract more residents of Connecticut than say, Georgia State.

I'd buy that except in the case of Alabama their FCS crap is usually in November. This year is an exception but they're playing New Mexico State in November which isn't much better and Florida's playing Samford that day. Wouldn't Alabama at Florida be better on November 13 when both teams are 9-0 then on September 18? And I'm pretty sure Samford isn't in Florida.


It's a glorified bye week. Most rest their good players. It's pretty much the SEC version of playing Kansas during the Big 12 conference portion. If the conference has a option for a late season rest week why not schedule a rest game? If the NCAA or other conferences don't like it then mandate a 9 game conference schedule.
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If you eliminate FBS vs. FCS games, you are going to see a lot of FCS programs fold up shop. Those games keep the lights on at a lot of FCS schools.

I'm not saying that is good, but that's the reality.
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RE: FBS vs FCS games in 2021
(02-22-2021 01:40 AM)46566 Wrote:  
(02-20-2021 04:12 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(02-20-2021 03:44 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Here’s the deal. Since CFB does not have an exhibition game(s), coaches like to schedule these games to work iron things out, see guys taking live snaps, building depth, etc. Also, in some of these cases a local FCS opponent will draw more fans than an FBS team. UConn is bringing in Yale, I am guessing that will attract more residents of Connecticut than say, Georgia State.

I'd buy that except in the case of Alabama their FCS crap is usually in November. This year is an exception but they're playing New Mexico State in November which isn't much better and Florida's playing Samford that day. Wouldn't Alabama at Florida be better on November 13 when both teams are 9-0 then on September 18? And I'm pretty sure Samford isn't in Florida.


It's a glorified bye week. Most rest their good players. It's pretty much the SEC version of playing Kansas during the Big 12 conference portion. If the conference has a option for a late season rest week why not schedule a rest game? If the NCAA or other conferences don't like it then mandate a 9 game conference schedule.

I thought playing Vanderbilt was the SEC version of Kansas? Playing FCS is the SEC version of playing FCS. Same goes for ACC teams. It's a glorified bye week, but with an extra practice disguised as a game...
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(02-21-2021 06:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 05:58 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that NDSU will not gain an ounce of legitimacy until they move up and play an fbs schedule.

Nope. Sagarin's rankings say that NDSU has been consistently better than more than two-thirds of FBS teams.

2015 season: NDSU was #36 in final Sagarin ranking of combined FBS and FCS teams

2016: #44

2017: #31

2018: #19

2019: #31
And yet, no one gives a Frenchman’s F#@# about them.
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RE: FBS vs FCS games in 2021
(02-22-2021 10:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 01:40 AM)46566 Wrote:  
(02-20-2021 04:12 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(02-20-2021 03:44 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Here’s the deal. Since CFB does not have an exhibition game(s), coaches like to schedule these games to work iron things out, see guys taking live snaps, building depth, etc. Also, in some of these cases a local FCS opponent will draw more fans than an FBS team. UConn is bringing in Yale, I am guessing that will attract more residents of Connecticut than say, Georgia State.

I'd buy that except in the case of Alabama their FCS crap is usually in November. This year is an exception but they're playing New Mexico State in November which isn't much better and Florida's playing Samford that day. Wouldn't Alabama at Florida be better on November 13 when both teams are 9-0 then on September 18? And I'm pretty sure Samford isn't in Florida.


It's a glorified bye week. Most rest their good players. It's pretty much the SEC version of playing Kansas during the Big 12 conference portion. If the conference has a option for a late season rest week why not schedule a rest game? If the NCAA or other conferences don't like it then mandate a 9 game conference schedule.

I thought playing Vanderbilt was the SEC version of Kansas? Playing FCS is the SEC version of playing FCS. Same goes for ACC teams. It's a glorified bye week, but with an extra practice disguised as a game...

I was thinking about that but at least Vanderbilt was in bowl games 5 out of the last 10 seasons. Though I admit most of Vanderbilt success was probably due to the 8 game conference schedule.
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(02-21-2021 09:47 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  
(02-19-2021 03:57 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I'm proud half of the 16 teams not playing an FCS team are from the Big Ten and one of them is my Illini. I'm ashamed my Penn State isn't on the list although it is Villanova. I hope Penn State got a basketball game out of the deal. Villanova should use their men's basketball team to get football games.

And ZERO of the 16 are from the SEC.

Pretty sure there are so many B1G schools on this list because they had a moratorium against scheduling FCS when they thought it would improve their playoff chances a few years ago. Since that didn't seem to help them, I think you will see them schedule more FCS going forward.

I've never understood why some programs seem to take pride in not scheduling FCS, as if FCS are pariahs. Your SOS is your SOS. If you have a good overall SOS despite and FCS on the schedule, more power to you. Plus, I do like the fact that playing FCS helps keep some programs going.
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(02-22-2021 12:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 09:47 PM)Eggszecutor Wrote:  
(02-19-2021 03:57 PM)schmolik Wrote:  I'm proud half of the 16 teams not playing an FCS team are from the Big Ten and one of them is my Illini. I'm ashamed my Penn State isn't on the list although it is Villanova. I hope Penn State got a basketball game out of the deal. Villanova should use their men's basketball team to get football games.

And ZERO of the 16 are from the SEC.

Pretty sure there are so many B1G schools on this list because they had a moratorium against scheduling FCS when they thought it would improve their playoff chances a few years ago. Since that didn't seem to help them, I think you will see them schedule more FCS going forward.

I've never understood why some programs seem to take pride in not scheduling FCS, as if FCS are pariahs. Your SOS is your SOS. If you have a good overall SOS despite and FCS on the schedule, more power to you. Plus, I do like the fact that playing FCS helps keep some programs going.

It also helps to give one fewer loss to G5 teams struggling to reach bowl eligibility.
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(02-22-2021 10:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  It's a glorified bye week, but with an extra practice disguised as a game...

Let me start by saying I agree with the basic idea here, that these games are typically not that competitive. But it’s most definitively not universally accurate for all FCS v FBS matchups. I bet you weren’t thinking this way around 4pm on 9/11/10. JMU gave NCSU a pretty good scare a couple years ago too. And absolutely WALLOPED ECU before that.

So cool off on that bravado just a touch.
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Probably depends on who's playing FCS games. If an FCS team is looking for a 6th win to make them bowl eligible and it means the difference between millions of dollars to an athletic program, I probably get it. Should a struggling program schedule an FCS to improve their confidence to prevent from going winless? OK. How about a Penn State scheduling an in state Villanova? Why not? (They did schedule Idaho which to me was bullcrap). Should Alabama or Georgia be playing FCS programs and keeping Ohio State out of the CFP in the process? Oh heck no! Should they be scheduling them in November and forcing Alabama and Florida to be playing during baseball season? Oh heck no! And this is why the SEC is playing 8 conference games instead of 9?
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(02-21-2021 06:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 05:58 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that NDSU will not gain an ounce of legitimacy until they move up and play an fbs schedule.

Nope. Sagarin's rankings say that NDSU has been consistently better than more than two-thirds of FBS teams.

2015 season: NDSU was #36 in final Sagarin ranking of combined FBS and FCS teams

2016: #44

2017: #31

2018: #19

2019: #31

Aren't these rankings based on who they actually play. What if NDSU was playing a full MAC (or any FBS conference) schedule and only one FCS opponent. Wouldn't that change their ranking; if so, maybe it's all speculation on how good they would be in FBS. I'm honestly asking because I don't follow any of these computer rankings.
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I’m all for FBS vs. FCS games. There are a lot of dormant rivalries that I like seeing: BC-Holy Cross, Temple-Villanova, Army-Yale, Clemson-Furman, etc. I think those games garner more interest for the fanbases.
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(02-22-2021 04:06 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 06:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-21-2021 05:58 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that NDSU will not gain an ounce of legitimacy until they move up and play an fbs schedule.

Nope. Sagarin's rankings say that NDSU has been consistently better than more than two-thirds of FBS teams.

2015 season: NDSU was #36 in final Sagarin ranking of combined FBS and FCS teams

2016: #44

2017: #31

2018: #19

2019: #31

Aren't these rankings based on who they actually play. What if NDSU was playing a full MAC (or any FBS conference) schedule and only one FCS opponent. Wouldn't that change their ranking; if so, maybe it's all speculation on how good they would be in FBS. I'm honestly asking because I don't follow any of these computer rankings.

Pretty much all computer rankings - some more than others - have a bias that values fewer losses more than SOS. If that weren't true to some extent of the Sagarin rating there is no way that North Dakota's schedule (which doesn't always include any FBS opponent) would warrant such a high ranking. While FCS schools in aggregate lose to their FBS opponents about 93% of the time, the MVFC probably does a little better than that. But that still shouldn't be enough to give them a Top 40 ranking unless there is inherent bias against losses.
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ken d vs ken d

ken d claims poll bias in favor of small schools and presents their lower rankings in Sagarin as neutral counterevidence.

(11-01-2018 12:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 09:50 AM)McKinney Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 07:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  I, for one, am tired of the bias in the human polls in favor of G5 schools.

Uh, examples please?

Numerous.

This year alone UCF is overrated at #9. The average of their Massey Composite and Sagarin ratings stands at #22.

Houston: AP #17, Massey/Sagarin #39

Now, a smaller school is ranked too highly in Sagarin, so he claims Sagarin bias in favor of smaller schools.

(02-22-2021 07:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  Pretty much all computer rankings - some more than others - have a bias that values fewer losses more than SOS. If that weren't true to some extent of the Sagarin rating there is no way that North Dakota's schedule (which doesn't always include any FBS opponent) would warrant such a high ranking. While FCS schools in aggregate lose to their FBS opponents about 93% of the time, the MVFC probably does a little better than that. But that still shouldn't be enough to give them a Top 40 ranking unless there is inherent bias against losses.

Sagarin = good ranking when it ranked a small school lower
Sagarin = biased ranking when it ranked a small school higher


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Point is, it doesn’t matter whether it’s the polls or computers ranking small schools. If they’re too high for ken d’s liking, he will just claim bias for the small schools each time. It’s ken d who holds the ultimate truth and is unbiased — and the polls and computer rankings who are biased and divergent from the truth. 05-stirthepot
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(02-22-2021 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  ken d vs ken d

ken d claims poll bias in favor of small schools and presents their lower rankings in Sagarin as neutral counterevidence.

(11-01-2018 12:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 09:50 AM)McKinney Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 07:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  I, for one, am tired of the bias in the human polls in favor of G5 schools.

Uh, examples please?

Numerous.

This year alone UCF is overrated at #9. The average of their Massey Composite and Sagarin ratings stands at #22.

Houston: AP #17, Massey/Sagarin #39

Now, a smaller school is ranked too highly in Sagarin, so he claims Sagarin bias in favor of smaller schools.

(02-22-2021 07:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  Pretty much all computer rankings - some more than others - have a bias that values fewer losses more than SOS. If that weren't true to some extent of the Sagarin rating there is no way that North Dakota's schedule (which doesn't always include any FBS opponent) would warrant such a high ranking. While FCS schools in aggregate lose to their FBS opponents about 93% of the time, the MVFC probably does a little better than that. But that still shouldn't be enough to give them a Top 40 ranking unless there is inherent bias against losses.

Sagarin = good ranking when it ranked a small school lower
Sagarin = biased ranking when it ranked a small school higher


———————

Point is, it doesn’t matter whether it’s the polls or computers ranking small schools. If they’re too high for ken d’s liking, he will just claim bias for the small schools each time. It’s ken d who holds the ultimate truth and is unbiased — and the polls and computer rankings who are biased and divergent from the truth. 05-stirthepot

Good sleuthing. But in fairness to Ken D, the positions aren't mutually exclusive. It might be the case that sagarin and other computers rank G5 schools too high, but that pollsters rank them too high even more. E.g., maybe UCF's "true" God's Eye ranking at that time was 30, but Sagarin had them at 22 and the AP had them at 9. I don't think that was correct, but it's possible, a hypothesis.

Personally, and shoot me for being a P5 apologist if you like, but I tend to think Ken is correct. For example, I do not think Cincy could have reached a #8 ranking had they played in the SEC. I don't think Liberty could have reached a #15 ranking had they played in the SEC. I don't think Coastal Carolina could have reached a #12 ranking had they played in the SEC. All would have taken a few losses, which would have dropped their ranking. Now yes, playing SEC schedules, they would get more respect for their SOS, so they wouldn't take the same hit in the polls/computers for having 3-4 SEC losses as they would having 3-4 losses in the AAC or Sun Belt.

But they were ranked higher having zero losses in their G5 leagues (or as G-independent) than they would have been with 3-4 losses in the SEC. So a good G5 has a poll/computer advantage vs most P5 teams. They only face a disadvantage when compared to the very best P5 teams (e.g., a Cincy with zero losses will be ranked behind an SEC team with zero losses, or one loss).

Again, call me a biased P5 apologist, but had 5-5 LSU played either Liberty or Coastal Carolina, I would have bet on LSU to win the game. But LSU was far out of all of the rankings. Heck, if LSU had played Cincy, I would have bet on Cincy to win, but if it was a big bet, I'd have been nervous about it. Not sure at all that I made the right call.
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(02-22-2021 10:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  ken d vs ken d

ken d claims poll bias in favor of small schools and presents their lower rankings in Sagarin as neutral counterevidence.

(11-01-2018 12:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 09:50 AM)McKinney Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 07:49 AM)ken d Wrote:  I, for one, am tired of the bias in the human polls in favor of G5 schools.

Uh, examples please?

Numerous.

This year alone UCF is overrated at #9. The average of their Massey Composite and Sagarin ratings stands at #22.

Houston: AP #17, Massey/Sagarin #39

Now, a smaller school is ranked too highly in Sagarin, so he claims Sagarin bias in favor of smaller schools.

(02-22-2021 07:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  Pretty much all computer rankings - some more than others - have a bias that values fewer losses more than SOS. If that weren't true to some extent of the Sagarin rating there is no way that North Dakota's schedule (which doesn't always include any FBS opponent) would warrant such a high ranking. While FCS schools in aggregate lose to their FBS opponents about 93% of the time, the MVFC probably does a little better than that. But that still shouldn't be enough to give them a Top 40 ranking unless there is inherent bias against losses.

Sagarin = good ranking when it ranked a small school lower
Sagarin = biased ranking when it ranked a small school higher


———————

Point is, it doesn’t matter whether it’s the polls or computers ranking small schools. If they’re too high for ken d’s liking, he will just claim bias for the small schools each time. It’s ken d who holds the ultimate truth and is unbiased — and the polls and computer rankings who are biased and divergent from the truth. 05-stirthepot

Good sleuthing. But in fairness to Ken D, the positions aren't mutually exclusive. It might be the case that sagarin and other computers rank G5 schools too high, but that pollsters rank them too high even more. E.g., maybe UCF's "true" God's Eye ranking at that time was 30, but Sagarin had them at 22 and the AP had them at 9. I don't think that was correct, but it's possible, a hypothesis.

Personally, and shoot me for being a P5 apologist if you like, but I tend to think Ken is correct. For example, I do not think Cincy could have reached a #8 ranking had they played in the SEC. I don't think Liberty could have reached a #15 ranking had they played in the SEC. I don't think Coastal Carolina could have reached a #12 ranking had they played in the SEC. All would have taken a few losses, which would have dropped their ranking. Now yes, playing SEC schedules, they would get more respect for their SOS, so they wouldn't take the same hit in the polls/computers for having 3-4 SEC losses as they would having 3-4 losses in the AAC or Sun Belt.

But they were ranked higher having zero losses in their G5 leagues (or as G-independent) than they would have been with 3-4 losses in the SEC. So a good G5 has a poll/computer advantage vs most P5 teams. They only face a disadvantage when compared to the very best P5 teams (e.g., a Cincy with zero losses will be ranked behind an SEC team with zero losses, or one loss).

Again, call me a biased P5 apologist, but had 5-5 LSU played either Liberty or Coastal Carolina, I would have bet on LSU to win the game. But LSU was far out of all of the rankings. Heck, if LSU had played Cincy, I would have bet on Cincy to win, but if it was a big bet, I'd have been nervous about it. Not sure at all that I made the right call.

That's correct. Those positions aren't contradictory. To say that human polls are biased does not mean that computer rankings aren't. They are just biased in different ways. Often, human voters will vote for a team to recognize that they are having an excellent season, even though the voters don't believe they would be favored over unranked teams. I believe this is especially true when voting for #'s 20-25 or so where many of the G5 teams show up in the human polls. Even the CFP selection committee does this, since they have to decide which G5 champion gets the golden ticket that year.

If you really want unbiased rankings, you'd probably have to get them from the bookmakers, but they are too busy taking our money.
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(02-23-2021 11:46 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 10:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-22-2021 09:53 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  ken d vs ken d

ken d claims poll bias in favor of small schools and presents their lower rankings in Sagarin as neutral counterevidence.

(11-01-2018 12:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-01-2018 09:50 AM)McKinney Wrote:  Uh, examples please?

Numerous.

This year alone UCF is overrated at #9. The average of their Massey Composite and Sagarin ratings stands at #22.

Houston: AP #17, Massey/Sagarin #39

Now, a smaller school is ranked too highly in Sagarin, so he claims Sagarin bias in favor of smaller schools.

(02-22-2021 07:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  Pretty much all computer rankings - some more than others - have a bias that values fewer losses more than SOS. If that weren't true to some extent of the Sagarin rating there is no way that North Dakota's schedule (which doesn't always include any FBS opponent) would warrant such a high ranking. While FCS schools in aggregate lose to their FBS opponents about 93% of the time, the MVFC probably does a little better than that. But that still shouldn't be enough to give them a Top 40 ranking unless there is inherent bias against losses.

Sagarin = good ranking when it ranked a small school lower
Sagarin = biased ranking when it ranked a small school higher


———————

Point is, it doesn’t matter whether it’s the polls or computers ranking small schools. If they’re too high for ken d’s liking, he will just claim bias for the small schools each time. It’s ken d who holds the ultimate truth and is unbiased — and the polls and computer rankings who are biased and divergent from the truth. 05-stirthepot

Good sleuthing. But in fairness to Ken D, the positions aren't mutually exclusive. It might be the case that sagarin and other computers rank G5 schools too high, but that pollsters rank them too high even more. E.g., maybe UCF's "true" God's Eye ranking at that time was 30, but Sagarin had them at 22 and the AP had them at 9. I don't think that was correct, but it's possible, a hypothesis.

Personally, and shoot me for being a P5 apologist if you like, but I tend to think Ken is correct. For example, I do not think Cincy could have reached a #8 ranking had they played in the SEC. I don't think Liberty could have reached a #15 ranking had they played in the SEC. I don't think Coastal Carolina could have reached a #12 ranking had they played in the SEC. All would have taken a few losses, which would have dropped their ranking. Now yes, playing SEC schedules, they would get more respect for their SOS, so they wouldn't take the same hit in the polls/computers for having 3-4 SEC losses as they would having 3-4 losses in the AAC or Sun Belt.

But they were ranked higher having zero losses in their G5 leagues (or as G-independent) than they would have been with 3-4 losses in the SEC. So a good G5 has a poll/computer advantage vs most P5 teams. They only face a disadvantage when compared to the very best P5 teams (e.g., a Cincy with zero losses will be ranked behind an SEC team with zero losses, or one loss).

Again, call me a biased P5 apologist, but had 5-5 LSU played either Liberty or Coastal Carolina, I would have bet on LSU to win the game. But LSU was far out of all of the rankings. Heck, if LSU had played Cincy, I would have bet on Cincy to win, but if it was a big bet, I'd have been nervous about it. Not sure at all that I made the right call.

That's correct. Those positions aren't contradictory. To say that human polls are biased does not mean that computer rankings aren't. They are just biased in different ways. Often, human voters will vote for a team to recognize that they are having an excellent season, even though the voters don't believe they would be favored over unranked teams. I believe this is especially true when voting for #'s 20-25 or so where many of the G5 teams show up in the human polls. Even the CFP selection committee does this, since they have to decide which G5 champion gets the golden ticket that year.

If you really want unbiased rankings, you'd probably have to get them from the bookmakers, but they are too busy taking our money.

Would adding a additional data point in margin of victory help stabilize the computer rankings? It would help determine the better G5 teams by how badly they beat their opponents. The same thing could help determine the better P5 schools.
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(02-22-2021 04:46 PM)esayem Wrote:  I’m all for FBS vs. FCS games. There are a lot of dormant rivalries that I like seeing: BC-Holy Cross, Temple-Villanova, Army-Yale, Clemson-Furman, etc. I think those games garner more interest for the fanbases.

Agree.
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(02-23-2021 11:46 AM)ken d Wrote:  If you really want unbiased rankings, you'd probably have to get them from the bookmakers, but they are too busy taking our money.

Nope. The bookmakers' odds and rankings are biased in favor of evening out the amount of money bet on different sides of a proposition, because that means the book is protected from big losses and always makes money on the juice.

That's why certain teams popular with individual bettors are usually overrated by the sportsbooks. The odds on those teams to win are longer than they should be, or point spreads are less favorable to them than they should be, because the book wants to induce more people to bet against the popular teams to cover the bets made by people who bet on the popular teams.
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