(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:37 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  As an outsider, there appears to be something dreadfully wrong with the Aggie football program. There is no way a first year FCS school should physically dominate ab FBS program.

As an insider, hopefully you know by now that Tarleton is not your average first year FCS school.

Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

You have stated several times, both here and on Aggie Alert that you were glad all our defensive players transferred away because they were not any good. Now you are telling everyone that they were so good they are all landing P5 gigs. So which is it? They stink or they are P5 talents? SMH...

(02-23-2021 09:21 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:46 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  As an insider, hopefully you know by now that Tarleton is not your average first year FCS school.

Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

I am stumped as to the obsession with the Aggies moving to FCS. It is so illogical. Nothing about it makes ANY sense, yet people keep talking about it over and over and over. They all say they want to move to FBS in the near future but at the same time NMSU should move to FCS. I guess they think spending roughly the same amount of money on a sport, while bringing in no money and having essentially no conference prospects in FCS is somehow a bright idea. Yeah, that should really be in the discussion.

Of all the stupid ideas that get proposed on the boards, NMSU moving to FCS is by far the stupidest one of all.

For anyone outside the NMSU family it makes a lot of sense for you to move down based on W-l record and low FBS budget, including the low salary you have have able/willing to pay your head coach. There is always the hope that a new coach will make a difference and it might but your history and resource constraints would suggest otherwise.

The comments here by your posters provide some insight into the reasons you might choose to remain as an FBS independent but to a casual fan it makes no sense for NMSU to soldier on year after year attempting to escape the bottom 10 FBS. FWIW, many of the same people who say NMSU should drop down say the same about your rival UTEP and other programs that haven’t enjoyed much success playing at the FBS level.

I think we have outlined a lot of reasons why NMSU would not move down. But pride, particularly in the context of UNM and UTEP, will not allow it. As long as they are FBS, we will remain FBS. W/L record be damned.

If the WAC becomes an FBS conference, all of this is moot anyways.

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:37 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  As an outsider, there appears to be something dreadfully wrong with the Aggie football program. There is no way a first year FCS school should physically dominate ab FBS program.

As an insider, hopefully you know by now that Tarleton is not your average first year FCS school.

Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

About revenue....first, there is no guarantee that 2 million dollar games against SEC teams will be available post COViD. Nick Saban and others favor P5’s playing only P5s in the future.

Second, you wouldn’t lose 2 million net revenue if such games remain available. FCS teams make from 500k (ACU v TAMU) to 750k (Eastern Washington v Florida) when playing SeC teams. So the net loss is more like 1.25 to 1.5 million. Subtract the cost of 22 scholarships (85 for FBS v 63 for FCS) from this amount to come up with the true cost difference.

(02-23-2021 10:19 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:21 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:46 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

I am stumped as to the obsession with the Aggies moving to FCS. It is so illogical. Nothing about it makes ANY sense, yet people keep talking about it over and over and over. They all say they want to move to FBS in the near future but at the same time NMSU should move to FCS. I guess they think spending roughly the same amount of money on a sport, while bringing in no money and having essentially no conference prospects in FCS is somehow a bright idea. Yeah, that should really be in the discussion.

Of all the stupid ideas that get proposed on the boards, NMSU moving to FCS is by far the stupidest one of all.

For anyone outside the NMSU family it makes a lot of sense for you to move down based on W-l record and low FBS budget, including the low salary you have have able/willing to pay your head coach. There is always the hope that a new coach will make a difference and it might but your history and resource constraints would suggest otherwise.

The comments here by your posters provide some insight into the reasons you might choose to remain as an FBS independent but to a casual fan it makes no sense for NMSU to soldier on year after year attempting to escape the bottom 10 FBS. FWIW, many of the same people who say NMSU should drop down say the same about your rival UTEP and other programs that haven’t enjoyed much success playing at the FBS level.

I think we have outlined a lot of reasons why NMSU would not move down. But pride, particularly in the context of UNM and UTEP, will not allow it. As long as they are FBS, we will remain FBS. W/L record be damned.

If the WAC becomes an FBS conference, all of this is moot anyways.

Yeah, I get that. I’m just saying it’s wrong to say it makes no sense, actually, it probably makes more sense for UNM and UTEP to drop down as well, especially UTEP.

(02-23-2021 10:26 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 10:19 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:21 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:46 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

I am stumped as to the obsession with the Aggies moving to FCS. It is so illogical. Nothing about it makes ANY sense, yet people keep talking about it over and over and over. They all say they want to move to FBS in the near future but at the same time NMSU should move to FCS. I guess they think spending roughly the same amount of money on a sport, while bringing in no money and having essentially no conference prospects in FCS is somehow a bright idea. Yeah, that should really be in the discussion.

Of all the stupid ideas that get proposed on the boards, NMSU moving to FCS is by far the stupidest one of all.

For anyone outside the NMSU family it makes a lot of sense for you to move down based on W-l record and low FBS budget, including the low salary you have have able/willing to pay your head coach. There is always the hope that a new coach will make a difference and it might but your history and resource constraints would suggest otherwise.

The comments here by your posters provide some insight into the reasons you might choose to remain as an FBS independent but to a casual fan it makes no sense for NMSU to soldier on year after year attempting to escape the bottom 10 FBS. FWIW, many of the same people who say NMSU should drop down say the same about your rival UTEP and other programs that haven’t enjoyed much success playing at the FBS level.

I think we have outlined a lot of reasons why NMSU would not move down. But pride, particularly in the context of UNM and UTEP, will not allow it. As long as they are FBS, we will remain FBS. W/L record be damned.

If the WAC becomes an FBS conference, all of this is moot anyways.

Yeah, I get that. I’m just saying it’s wrong to say it makes no sense, actually, it probably makes more sense for UNM and UTEP to drop down as well, especially UTEP.

I've never said it makes no sense (I realize others have). And I can see how someone from the outside looking in would focus on wins/losses and 60 years of futility and say NMSU should drop down.

I have only tried to state the case for why NMSU is FBS and will continue as FBS.

(02-23-2021 10:23 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:37 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  As an outsider, there appears to be something dreadfully wrong with the Aggie football program. There is no way a first year FCS school should physically dominate ab FBS program.

As an insider, hopefully you know by now that Tarleton is not your average first year FCS school.

Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

About revenue....first, there is no guarantee that 2 million dollar games against SEC teams will be available post COViD. Nick Saban and others favor P5’s playing only P5s in the future.

Second, you wouldn’t lose 2 million net revenue if such games remain available. FCS teams make from 500k (ACU v TAMU) to 750k (Eastern Washington v Florida) when playing SeC teams. So the net loss is more like 1.25 to 1.5 million. Subtract the cost of 22 scholarships (85 for FBS v 63 for FCS) from this amount to come up with the true cost difference.

If the P5 were to separate from the G5, it's a possibility the G5 would consider absorb some of the stronger FCS conferences to form a new bigger mid-level football division. Then the barriers could be removed for NMSU to join the WAC in football.

(02-23-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 10:23 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  As an insider, hopefully you know by now that Tarleton is not your average first year FCS school.

Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

About revenue....first, there is no guarantee that 2 million dollar games against SEC teams will be available post COViD. Nick Saban and others favor P5’s playing only P5s in the future.

Second, you wouldn’t lose 2 million net revenue if such games remain available. FCS teams make from 500k (ACU v TAMU) to 750k (Eastern Washington v Florida) when playing SeC teams. So the net loss is more like 1.25 to 1.5 million. Subtract the cost of 22 scholarships (85 for FBS v 63 for FCS) from this amount to come up with the true cost difference.

If the P5 were to separate from the G5, it's a possibility the G5 would consider absorb some of the stronger FCS conferences to form a new bigger mid-level football division. Then the barriers could be removed for NMSU to join the WAC in football.

If the WAC eventually goes FBS I hope all members commit to adequate funding, that we sign a bowl affiliation deal and secure a media rights conference arrangement that puts our games on regional and occasionally national TV and becomes a reliable revenue stream even if it’s a trickle compared to P5 conferences.

(02-23-2021 12:08 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:53 AM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 10:23 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

About revenue....first, there is no guarantee that 2 million dollar games against SEC teams will be available post COViD. Nick Saban and others favor P5’s playing only P5s in the future.

Second, you wouldn’t lose 2 million net revenue if such games remain available. FCS teams make from 500k (ACU v TAMU) to 750k (Eastern Washington v Florida) when playing SeC teams. So the net loss is more like 1.25 to 1.5 million. Subtract the cost of 22 scholarships (85 for FBS v 63 for FCS) from this amount to come up with the true cost difference.

If the P5 were to separate from the G5, it's a possibility the G5 would consider absorb some of the stronger FCS conferences to form a new bigger mid-level football division. Then the barriers could be removed for NMSU to join the WAC in football.

If the WAC eventually goes FBS I hope all members commit to adequate funding, that we sign a bowl affiliation deal and secure a media rights conference arrangement that puts our games on regional and occasionally national TV and becomes a reliable revenue stream even if it’s a trickle compared to P5 conferences.

Wednesday nights on ESPN call it WAC-y Wednesday

(02-23-2021 09:21 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:46 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  As an insider, hopefully you know by now that Tarleton is not your average first year FCS school.

Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

I am stumped as to the obsession with the Aggies moving to FCS. It is so illogical. Nothing about it makes ANY sense, yet people keep talking about it over and over and over. They all say they want to move to FBS in the near future but at the same time NMSU should move to FCS. I guess they think spending roughly the same amount of money on a sport, while bringing in no money and having essentially no conference prospects in FCS is somehow a bright idea. Yeah, that should really be in the discussion.

Of all the stupid ideas that get proposed on the boards, NMSU moving to FCS is by far the stupidest one of all.

For anyone outside the NMSU family it makes a lot of sense for you to move down based on W-l record and low FBS budget, including the low salary you have have able/willing to pay your head coach. There is always the hope that a new coach will make a difference and it might but your history and resource constraints would suggest otherwise.

The comments here by your posters provide some insight into the reasons you might choose to remain as an FBS independent but to a casual fan it makes no sense for NMSU to soldier on year after year attempting to escape the bottom 10 FBS. FWIW, many of the same people who say NMSU should drop down say the same about your rival UTEP and other programs that haven’t enjoyed much success playing at the FBS level.

I think about it a bit differently. If it holds true that NMSU would not have a high level of success at FCS (debatable, but look what Tarleton St just did), then why would we opt for the option that brings in less money for the entire department? I think that is the angle the University is taking.

Again, just my .02.

GO AGGIES!!!!

(02-23-2021 12:41 PM)NMSUIndyAg Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:21 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:46 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:15 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 08:54 PM)TexanFan Wrote:  Yes we are but NMSU’s football program needs a major change. And I already know the response, but FCS should be in the discussion. I’m not saying FCS is the answer, but it needs to be in the conversation.

New Mexico State will never drop to FCS. We have two FBS rivals in UNM and UTEP and the SEC schools are paying NMSU nearly $2 million per game. We aren't going to drop down and lose out on that money. Plus, NMSU already has it's schedule complete though 2025. They're already working on 2025-2030 schedules. What happened Sunday won't happen again once NMSU hires a new coach. NMSU doesn't lack talent. If that was the case then the players leaving the program wouldn't be landing at P-5 programs. I mean our best DT from last year was an All-PAC-12 performer for Arizona this past season.

I am stumped as to the obsession with the Aggies moving to FCS. It is so illogical. Nothing about it makes ANY sense, yet people keep talking about it over and over and over. They all say they want to move to FBS in the near future but at the same time NMSU should move to FCS. I guess they think spending roughly the same amount of money on a sport, while bringing in no money and having essentially no conference prospects in FCS is somehow a bright idea. Yeah, that should really be in the discussion.

Of all the stupid ideas that get proposed on the boards, NMSU moving to FCS is by far the stupidest one of all.

For anyone outside the NMSU family it makes a lot of sense for you to move down based on W-l record and low FBS budget, including the low salary you have have able/willing to pay your head coach. There is always the hope that a new coach will make a difference and it might but your history and resource constraints would suggest otherwise.

The comments here by your posters provide some insight into the reasons you might choose to remain as an FBS independent but to a casual fan it makes no sense for NMSU to soldier on year after year attempting to escape the bottom 10 FBS. FWIW, many of the same people who say NMSU should drop down say the same about your rival UTEP and other programs that haven’t enjoyed much success playing at the FBS level.

I think about it a bit differently. If it holds true that NMSU would not have a high level of success at FCS (debatable, but look what Tarleton St just did), then why would we opt for the option that brings in less money for the entire department? I think that is the angle the University is taking.

Again, just my .02.

GO AGGIES!!!!

Better to lose by 50 in Tuscaloosa and collect a big check than pay money to lose to Tarleton? After all there is no shame in losing big to a perineal national championship contender headed by arguably the best college coach of all time.

I can appreciate this logic.

Why not put NMSU football on pause for 2 years and bring it back reshuffled at the FBS level still. Like what UAB did? Might be a great scare tactic to get boosters to dump money in to "save" the program...

(02-23-2021 01:20 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why not put NMSU football on pause for 2 years and bring it back reshuffled at the FBS level still. Like what UAB did? Might be a great scare tactic to get boosters to dump money in to "save" the program...

Interesting take. We don't have a lot of big boosters and we have come to them several times recently to give Jans a raise. A big part of the FB problem is it is underfunded, but we have to continue to feed BB, the golden cow. We can't let up on that.

(02-23-2021 01:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:20 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why not put NMSU football on pause for 2 years and bring it back reshuffled at the FBS level still. Like what UAB did? Might be a great scare tactic to get boosters to dump money in to "save" the program...

Interesting take. We don't have a lot of big boosters and we have come to them several times recently to give Jans a raise. A big part of the FB problem is it is underfunded, but we have to continue to feed BB, the golden cow. We can't let up on that.

For football to be better funded basketball might have to take a budget hit for a while. I think NMSU basketball will still perform. NMSU athletics are similar in how they run a budget to the Oakland A's. Resilient out of necessity.

(02-23-2021 02:21 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 01:20 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  Why not put NMSU football on pause for 2 years and bring it back reshuffled at the FBS level still. Like what UAB did? Might be a great scare tactic to get boosters to dump money in to "save" the program...

Interesting take. We don't have a lot of big boosters and we have come to them several times recently to give Jans a raise. A big part of the FB problem is it is underfunded, but we have to continue to feed BB, the golden cow. We can't let up on that.

For football to be better funded basketball might have to take a budget hit for a while. I think NMSU basketball will still perform. NMSU athletics are similar in how they run a budget to the Oakland A's. Resilient out of necessity.

If we remove funding from basketball, we would almost assuredly immediately lose Jans to a better funded school. Jans is trying to make NMSU into a major player on the basketball landscape. Moccia is not going to pull the rug out from under Jans to funnel cash to a mediocre at best football coach's program just so NMSU can win maybe 5 games instead of 1 or 2. If Jans can get NMSU rolling, it can become the cash cow to partially support football. There are too many moving parts in football that make a successful football program. And, the mountain to climb to just be FBS competitive is much steeper than to get to the summit in college basketball.

P5-only scheduling faces several obstacles. The only thing keeping the CFP from being sued is that they can say "Well if UCF would have played a better schedule, they would have been in." If it's impossible for G5 teams to schedule P5 teams, and G5 teams are excluded from the CFP, then that is clearly anticompetitive behavior. They might be able to cleverly get around this if they go to 8 and change the format, though. In any case, I'm confident we will be able to get our share of buy games.

Also, I think us NMSU fans overstate the importance of basketball. The Big East only distributes $4.16 million/year to each school, and that is a power conference that consistently sells out their tournament at MSG. This in comparison to a $2 million buy game at Bama (Is this the correct number?). Not sure that mbb has the potential to be the cash cow that we want, unless we can maintain medium-to-high attendance while charging through the nose for tickets.

(02-23-2021 02:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  P5-only scheduling faces several obstacles. The only thing keeping the CFP from being sued is that they can say "Well if UCF would have played a better schedule, they would have been in." If it's impossible for G5 teams to schedule P5 teams, and G5 teams are excluded from the CFP, then that is clearly anticompetitive behavior. They might be able to cleverly get around this if they go to 8 and change the format, though. In any case, I'm confident we will be able to get our share of buy games.

Also, I think us NMSU fans overstate the importance of basketball. The Big East only distributes $4.16 million/year to each school, and that is a power conference that consistently sells out their tournament at MSG. This in comparison to a $2 million buy game at Bama (Is this the correct number?). Not sure that mbb has the potential to be the cash cow that we want, unless we can maintain medium-to-high attendance while charging through the nose for tickets.

Yes, but NMSU already gets that 2-million payday, win or lose. The money still to be had in football requires NMSU winning 6 to 7 games a year, getting bigger football attendance, and getting to a post season bowl games. UNM and UTEP have much better facilities, bigger budgets and are in FBS conferences, yet they have a tough going making it to a bowl game; much less being FBS competitive.

Some folks don’t like the idea, but in my opinion, if anything is going to change the funding for NMSU football, it’s got to be in the allocation of guarantee game money. Take the money from the second and third highest payouts and reinvest that money into the football program, rather than into the department as a whole. That would “infuse” $1.25M to $1.75M dollars per year to the bottom line to football. I think it has to start there before you can go to the boosters for more money. To do that, we may have to get out from under this debt to the general fund. I’m also not convinced the debt we incur this year should, or will, be treated the same as the debt from 10 years ago. That remains to be seen.

GO AGGIES!!!!

(02-23-2021 02:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  P5-only scheduling faces several obstacles. The only thing keeping the CFP from being sued is that they can say "Well if UCF would have played a better schedule, they would have been in." If it's impossible for G5 teams to schedule P5 teams, and G5 teams are excluded from the CFP, then that is clearly anticompetitive behavior. They might be able to cleverly get around this if they go to 8 and change the format, though. In any case, I'm confident we will be able to get our share of buy games.

Also, I think us NMSU fans overstate the importance of basketball. The Big East only distributes $4.16 million/year to each school, and that is a power conference that consistently sells out their tournament at MSG. This in comparison to a $2 million buy game at Bama (Is this the correct number?). Not sure that mbb has the potential to be the cash cow that we want, unless we can maintain medium-to-high attendance while charging through the nose for tickets.

I never said BB could be a cash cow. Far from it. FB is where the money is at.

(02-23-2021 03:05 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 02:54 PM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  P5-only scheduling faces several obstacles. The only thing keeping the CFP from being sued is that they can say "Well if UCF would have played a better schedule, they would have been in." If it's impossible for G5 teams to schedule P5 teams, and G5 teams are excluded from the CFP, then that is clearly anticompetitive behavior. They might be able to cleverly get around this if they go to 8 and change the format, though. In any case, I'm confident we will be able to get our share of buy games.

Also, I think us NMSU fans overstate the importance of basketball. The Big East only distributes $4.16 million/year to each school, and that is a power conference that consistently sells out their tournament at MSG. This in comparison to a $2 million buy game at Bama (Is this the correct number?). Not sure that mbb has the potential to be the cash cow that we want, unless we can maintain medium-to-high attendance while charging through the nose for tickets.

Yes, but NMSU already gets that 2-million payday, win or lose. The money still to be had in football requires NMSU winning 6 to 7 games a year, getting bigger football attendance, and getting to a post season bowl games. UNM and UTEP have much better facilities, bigger budgets and are in FBS conferences, yet they have a tough going making it to a bowl game; much less being FBS competitive.

Probably true - there might be a bit more money in football if we can strategically whore ourselves out. Will be interesting to see if we are able to optimize payout when planning years in advance.

But I also don't think there is much money in basketball, unless we can ascend to a Gonzaga-like position in the WAC, where we are essentially a high major. Not sure if this or being a bowl regular would be easier.

(02-23-2021 03:26 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I never said BB could be a cash cow. Far from it. FB is where the money is at.

I never said you said that . Was referring to Pistol mentioning that MBB could become a cash cow.