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8 hours til opening tip..
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Did WMU put their drama department on the broadcast for this one? These announcers are exaggerating everything.
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(02-16-2021 08:22 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Did WMU put their drama department on the broadcast for this one? These announcers are exaggerating everything.

The good new is Kent has been winning ... the bad news is Pippen has been in a serious funk the last four games.
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Pippen is obviously our best player, but Geo Santiago is steadily making this his team. He holds everything together and clearly has the trust of the rest of the team, and they rely on him more than anyone else. It was very evident tonight as Danny had an off night.
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(02-16-2021 09:43 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 08:22 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Did WMU put their drama department on the broadcast for this one? These announcers are exaggerating everything.

The good new is Kent has been winning ... the bad news is Pippen has been in a serious funk the last four games.

Danny has had a # of surgeries and Coach has overused him and ran him ragged. his refusal to develop players or give them minutes and rest danny even maybe 4-5 minutes more per game

this year - shooting % after feb 1. 27-82 32.9%, whole season % 41%
Last year - shooting % after feb 1 34-93 36%, whole season 40%

I hope its just a slump but he looks gassed and out of juice to me
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We got lucky to get out of Kalamazoo with a win. 27/29 from the FT will erase a lot of woes. Gio was excellent tonight. Can't wait to see what the next couple of years will bring to his game. As for Danny, everyone goes through funks. Ups and downs of a long season. He is young and doesn't practice very much - he will be fine.
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(02-16-2021 10:13 PM)ksu315 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 09:43 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 08:22 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Did WMU put their drama department on the broadcast for this one? These announcers are exaggerating everything.

The good new is Kent has been winning ... the bad news is Pippen has been in a serious funk the last four games.

Danny has had a # of surgeries and Coach has overused him and ran him ragged. his refusal to develop players or give them minutes and rest danny even maybe 4-5 minutes more per game

this year - shooting % after feb 1. 27-82 32.9%, whole season % 41%
Last year - shooting % after feb 1 34-93 36%, whole season 40%

I hope its just a slump but he looks gassed and out of juice to me

YOU'RE WAAAAAAY OFF BASE HERE: First, Pippen doesn't practice, he only plays, and when he's take out of games he clearly pouts. That's on him, not the coach. (And who does coach play instead, ... Bainbridge???)

As for development you have to be blind. Gio is a better player now than when the season started; Jacobs is better, Nuga (based on past stats) was waaay better, Beck is better. Hernandez is better. Hamilton has been up and down, but 'up' has been better. VCD is getting better. And this goes beyond stats, I mean, they are (to me) clearly better (more consistent) than early in the year. This team (Akron aside) would not still be winning w/out Nuga if guys weren't getting better.

Yes, Pippen has hit the wall ... (again) ... but him just being on the court takes the focus off the other guys. And as I said before, does this team win giving 10 of Pippen's minutes to somebody on the bench???

I think not.
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that was fun! 02-13-banana
that was a super enjoyable basketball game to watch.
western would not go way. give the broncos lots of credit.

jacobs.. wow! 04-cheers
gio (of course) double wow! 01-ncaabbs
beck was quiet tonight.
that one young announcer on the telecast was painful to listen to :(

i LOVE this team 03-cloud9

we are not scared of akron & toledo.
my only wish for mac tournament: want buffalo on the other side of the bracket (4 or 5 seed.) let toledo deal with them :)

i want the 2 or 3 seed (doesn't matter which.)

my wife when i tell her that i'm going to CLE for the mac tourney 01-lauramac2


PS quick side note: took a trip down memory lane yesterday. took my daughter (senior in high school) on tour of san diego state campus (looking at their school of nursing.) walked by cox arena (now know as Viejas Arena) site of one of the greatest days of my life (besides birth of my children.) was there 20 years ago when ksu knocked-off Indiana in opening round of the ncaa tournament. 04-rock04-rock
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(02-16-2021 11:12 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 10:13 PM)ksu315 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 09:43 PM)cleveland Wrote:  [quote='anti-zip' pid='17277298' dateline='1613524928']
Did WMU put their drama department on the broadcast for this one? These announcers are exaggerating everything.

The good new is Kent has been winning ... the bad news is Pippen has been in a serious funk the last four games.

Danny has had a # of surgeries and Coach has overused him and ran him ragged. his refusal to develop players or give them minutes and rest danny even maybe 4-5 minutes more per game

this year - shooting % after feb 1. 27-82 32.9%, whole season % 41%
Last year - shooting % after feb 1 34-93 36%, whole season 40%

I hope its just a slump but he looks gassed and out of juice to me

YOU'RE WAAAAAAY OFF BASE HERE: First, Pippen doesn't practice, he only plays, and when he's take out of games he clearly pouts. That's on him, not the coach. (And who does coach play instead, ... Bainbridge???)

Way off base? Explain the 2 year statistical trend. and danny didnt practice last year. i believe hes practicing at least some this year. I didnt say 10 minutes less i said 4-5 per game. Bainbridge will not kill you on defense. he or gabe could give you those minutes.

And the bigger issue is a 5 year senior who is supposedly our leader and best player pouts. Really pouts? A guy some of you belove and think will have some sort of pro career. Pouts? Come on folks. Been here 5 years and is what 23 years old? This league is hard enough you wont win a league title with those actions.
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(02-16-2021 11:12 PM)cleveland Wrote:  First, Pippen doesn't practice, he only plays, and when he's take out of games he clearly pouts. That's on him, not the coach. (And who does coach play instead, ... Bainbridge???)

I agree with a lot of what you said, but in regards to who do we play to rest Pippen, the answer is a resounding O'NEAL! PLAY O'NEAL MORE and throw him the ball on the block! He's only averaging 11.5 mpg right now but scoring 5.5 and grabbing 3.1 rbg. He's shooting a mind boggling 69.5% from the floor on the season. We have two very good PG's on the floor most of the time who make players around them better by getting them the ball where they need it, and we have a post player who's shooting nearly 70%. An increase in usage here seems to make a lot of sense. I think the best explanation for why they aren't playing him more is they probably want one big that can space the floor so pairing O'Neal with Hamilton or Beck you lose that (although Beck can shoot and drive). But hey, let's try it.

Side note on usage, Gio's slowly been increasing his 3pt attempts over the last 4 games and he's still hitting them at a great clip. I like that and want to see it continue.
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A 13-5 record in 2020-2021 is something to be proud of.
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Agree, Fallsdog, especially since they could easily be 17-1.
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(02-17-2021 08:20 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 11:12 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 10:13 PM)ksu315 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 09:43 PM)cleveland Wrote:  [quote='anti-zip' pid='17277298' dateline='1613524928']
Did WMU put their drama department on the broadcast for this one? These announcers are exaggerating everything.

The good new is Kent has been winning ... the bad news is Pippen has been in a serious funk the last four games.

Danny has had a # of surgeries and Coach has overused him and ran him ragged. his refusal to develop players or give them minutes and rest danny even maybe 4-5 minutes more per game

this year - shooting % after feb 1. 27-82 32.9%, whole season % 41%
Last year - shooting % after feb 1 34-93 36%, whole season 40%

I hope its just a slump but he looks gassed and out of juice to me

YOU'RE WAAAAAAY OFF BASE HERE: First, Pippen doesn't practice, he only plays, and when he's take out of games he clearly pouts. That's on him, not the coach. (And who does coach play instead, ... Bainbridge???)

Way off base? Explain the 2 year statistical trend. and danny didnt practice last year. i believe hes practicing at least some this year. I didnt say 10 minutes less i said 4-5 per game. Bainbridge will not kill you on defense. he or gabe could give you those minutes.

And the bigger issue is a 5 year senior who is supposedly our leader and best player pouts. Really pouts? A guy some of you belove and think will have some sort of pro career. Pouts? Come on folks. Been here 5 years and is what 23 years old? This league is hard enough you wont win a league title with those actions.

Listen, DP does a lot of things I don't particularly care for. So did Jaylin Walker, so did Jimmy Hall right through their senior seasons. Go to the Toledo, BG, Akron boards and you will see like complaints about MJackson, Turner and LJackson, too, right down to playing time, shot selection and maturity as well.

But just like those teams/coaches will keep playing those players ditto for Senderoff w/Pippen. What has eroded over time with all these teams are teammates holding each other accountable. It's understandable here, considering - after Pippen - the bulk of this team had not even played w/each other in open gym, much less a D1 practice or game before October.

Little has been said about Toledo being the only MAC team that held summer sessions for players. But it has paid dividends for them in the regular season.

As for the statistical trend for DP, it is what it is. There were comparable trends for past Kent players. Andrew Mitchell - one of the top 3-point shooters on the team - only made one 3-pointer after the 2002 regular season. Look up Huffman's scoring average in the post season. You might be surprised. Here's a clue: if you add up the total points he scored in the final game of each season, total, it would barely equal his career scoring average.

Every team/player can be nit-picked to death if you want to. But the fact is, so far, this team has had only one dog game all season in my mind (Akron, home), has played a stretch of games w/out two of its top three scorers (including Akron, home) and still sits as one of the top 3 teams in the MAC with a sometimes pouting senior playing on a pair of peanut brittle knees averaging 20 ppg and 8 rpg.

Let's get a grip people. If Kent doesn't win the 2017 MAC Tournament that team would have been (rightfully) nit-picked to death. If this team - heaven forbid - goes out in the first round of the MAC Tournament there would really not be much to complain about for the 2020-2021 Flashes.
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Also, for what it's worth:

2020-21 MAC Men's Basketball Preseason Coaches Poll

1. Bowling Green (8) – 132 points
2. Ohio (1) – 117 points
3. Akron (2) – 115 points
4. Buffalo – 109 points
5. Ball State – 104 points
6. Toledo (1) – 93 points
7. Kent State – 65 points
8. Eastern Michigan – 57 points
9. Miami – 48 points
10. Northern Illinois – 43 points
11. Central Michigan – 40 points
12. Western Michigan – 13 points

Preseason All-MAC Second Team

Ishmael El-Amin, Senior, G, Ball State
Daeqwon Plowden, Senior, F, Bowling Green
Josh Mballa, Junior, F, Buffalo
Danny Pippen, Senior, F, Kent State
Ben Vander Plas, R-Junior, F, Ohio
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(02-17-2021 08:17 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 08:20 AM)ksu315 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 11:12 PM)cleveland Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 10:13 PM)ksu315 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 09:43 PM)cleveland Wrote:  [quote='anti-zip' pid='17277298' dateline='1613524928']
Did WMU put their drama department on the broadcast for this one? These announcers are exaggerating everything.

The good new is Kent has been winning ... the bad news is Pippen has been in a serious funk the last four games.

Danny has had a # of surgeries and Coach has overused him and ran him ragged. his refusal to develop players or give them minutes and rest danny even maybe 4-5 minutes more per game

this year - shooting % after feb 1. 27-82 32.9%, whole season % 41%
Last year - shooting % after feb 1 34-93 36%, whole season 40%

I hope its just a slump but he looks gassed and out of juice to me

YOU'RE WAAAAAAY OFF BASE HERE: First, Pippen doesn't practice, he only plays, and when he's take out of games he clearly pouts. That's on him, not the coach. (And who does coach play instead, ... Bainbridge???)

Way off base? Explain the 2 year statistical trend. and danny didnt practice last year. i believe hes practicing at least some this year. I didnt say 10 minutes less i said 4-5 per game. Bainbridge will not kill you on defense. he or gabe could give you those minutes.

And the bigger issue is a 5 year senior who is supposedly our leader and best player pouts. Really pouts? A guy some of you belove and think will have some sort of pro career. Pouts? Come on folks. Been here 5 years and is what 23 years old? This league is hard enough you wont win a league title with those actions.

Listen, DP does a lot of things I don't particularly care for. So did Jaylin Walker, so did Jimmy Hall right through their senior seasons. Go to the Toledo, BG, Akron boards and you will see like complaints about MJackson, Turner and LJackson, too, right down to playing time, shot selection and maturity as well.

But just like those teams/coaches will keep playing those players ditto for Senderoff w/Pippen. What has eroded over time with all these teams are teammates holding each other accountable. It's understandable here, considering - after Pippen - the bulk of this team had not even played w/each other in open gym, much less a D1 practice or game before October.

Little has been said about Toledo being the only MAC team that held summer sessions for players. But it has paid dividends for them in the regular season.

As for the statistical trend for DP, it is what it is. There were comparable trends for past Kent players. Andrew Mitchell - one of the top 3-point shooters on the team - only made one 3-pointer after the 2002 regular season. Look up Huffman's scoring average in the post season. You might be surprised. Here's a clue: if you add up the total points he scored in the final game of each season, total, it would barely equal his career scoring average.

Every team/player can be nit-picked to death if you want to. But the fact is, so far, this team has had only one dog game all season in my mind (Akron, home), has played a stretch of games w/out two of its top three scorers (including Akron, home) and still sits as one of the top 3 teams in the MAC with a sometimes pouting senior playing on a pair of peanut brittle knees averaging 20 ppg and 8 rpg.

Let's get a grip people. If Kent doesn't win the 2017 MAC Tournament that team would have been (rightfully) nit-picked to death. If this team - heaven forbid - goes out in the first round of the MAC Tournament there would really not be much to complain about for the 2020-2021 Flashes.

Yeah, we know. There is never any cause for concern and criticism is never justified. Just throw in a bitmoji and you've got yourself a post!
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[i]Yeah, we know. There is never any cause for concern and criticism is never justified.[/i]

Actually, just the opposite. There is almost always cause for concern (Nuga's injury) ... and criticism is in the eyes of the beholder. Just saying this particular TEAM so far has been waaaay better than expected, individually and collectively, when compared to expectations/results from many teams in the past.

It's a fun team to follow.
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(02-17-2021 09:23 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  A 13-5 record in 2020-2021 is something to be proud of.

13-5 would be good in any season - a .722 winning percentage would be 21-8 in a 29-game season.

The last .722 winning percentage we've had is 28-7 .800 in Jim Christian's last season.

We've only had 7 seasons better than .722 and that includes ending up 7-2 .778 in 1913-1914
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