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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-16-2021 01:21 PM)southpaw1 Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 11:38 AM)Mimi Wrote:  This seems like a strong hire by Central

Some AAC schools have not fared as well adding a higher profile coach, but this one seems promising

Charlie Strong had a good year then regressed at USF (previously at Texas and Louise)
Jury still out on Holgersson or whatever his name is at Houston- from WV
Tommy West did well here- Clemson
Tuberville did ok at Cincy, nothing special- Auburn, TX Tech
SMU Dykes was HC at Cal, he has done well

Cant think of any other coaches who came to AAC school from a P5 school but this it feels as though Malzahn will be good.

I'd say that the Houston coach from WVU has been a flop so far.

Certainly when you factor in the over-market price they are paying.
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-16-2021 01:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 12:11 AM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

To be fair not everyone played the same amount of games. Our offensive efficiency ranks are way out of line with that rank and it took a big fall compared to the season before.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fp...nk/dir/asc

2020 - 71st
2019 - 12th
2018 - 22nd
2017 - 17th
2016 - 42nd
2015 - 25th
2014 - 69th
2013 - 114th

Some other efficiency stats on footballoutsiders.com had us in the 50s and 60s.

Based purely on average yards per game.

Right I saw that. But a lot of teams didn't get their, to quote Ike, CUPCAKE games to pad their numbers in both OOC and IC. Based on the efficiency we would have likely been lower in AYPG rank if they could have played those games.
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(02-16-2021 12:35 PM)CKMcDan Wrote:  Malzahn's offenses at Auburn were going up against SEC West defenses, so mediocre numbers shouldn't be a cause for concern.

Malzahn is coming into UCF with an established QB in Gabriel. They will be fine on offense. UCF's problem was defense.

This is disingenuous as hell.

He also recruited SEC offenses to compete against said SEC defenses.
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UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 08:55 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 08:19 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  He'd be a huge upgrade from Heupel

Agree completely. And how ridiculous will it make Tennessee look?? They will have relieved UCF of an under performing Heupel, paid them 6 million dollars to do it, and then allowed them to hire the better coach. The fact that Gus turned UT down makes it even funnier.


This right here lol


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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-16-2021 07:00 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 01:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 12:11 AM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

To be fair not everyone played the same amount of games. Our offensive efficiency ranks are way out of line with that rank and it took a big fall compared to the season before.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fp...nk/dir/asc

2020 - 71st
2019 - 12th
2018 - 22nd
2017 - 17th
2016 - 42nd
2015 - 25th
2014 - 69th
2013 - 114th

Some other efficiency stats on footballoutsiders.com had us in the 50s and 60s.

Based purely on average yards per game.

Right I saw that. But a lot of teams didn't get their, to quote Ike, CUPCAKE games to pad their numbers in both OOC and IC. Based on the efficiency we would have likely been lower in AYPG rank if they could have played those games.

All relative. 4 and 5 star recruits versus 4 and 5 star recruits, and 3 and 4 star recruits versus 3 and 4 star recruits.
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:47 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

From observing him, his offense depends heavily on a stud QB, which he had in Scam Newton in 2010. Ever since then, he has been mediocre at best as his recruits have not been up to that level. He had to resort to a “smoke & mirrors” play-calling to try and catch defenses off guard.

Agree. I have never been impressed with Bo Nix. There's a reason Auburn's name comes up every time a QB hits the transfer portal.

The crazy thing is that BOTH Auburn and UT would have been much better if they didn't have mediocre quarterbacks. Quarterback has been a mess at both schools for a long time.
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(02-17-2021 12:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The crazy thing is that BOTH Auburn and UT would have been much better if they didn't have mediocre quarterbacks. Quarterback has been a mess at both schools for a long time.

Quarterback is by far the most important position in college football.


I hope we don't struggle too much next season breaking in a new quarterback. We've been spoiled for many years.
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(02-17-2021 03:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 12:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The crazy thing is that BOTH Auburn and UT would have been much better if they didn't have mediocre quarterbacks. Quarterback has been a mess at both schools for a long time.

Quarterback is by far the most important position in college football.


I hope we don't struggle too much next season breaking in a new quarterback. We've been spoiled for many years.

IF Auburn had one of Lynch, Ferguson or White, they would have had very good to great teams.
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(02-17-2021 12:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 07:00 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 01:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 12:11 AM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

To be fair not everyone played the same amount of games. Our offensive efficiency ranks are way out of line with that rank and it took a big fall compared to the season before.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fp...nk/dir/asc

2020 - 71st
2019 - 12th
2018 - 22nd
2017 - 17th
2016 - 42nd
2015 - 25th
2014 - 69th
2013 - 114th

Some other efficiency stats on footballoutsiders.com had us in the 50s and 60s.

Based purely on average yards per game.

Right I saw that. But a lot of teams didn't get their, to quote Ike, CUPCAKE games to pad their numbers in both OOC and IC. Based on the efficiency we would have likely been lower in AYPG rank if they could have played those games.

All relative. 4 and 5 star recruits versus 4 and 5 star recruits, and 3 and 4 star recruits versus 3 and 4 star recruits.

With this past season definitely, but I don't think that example works. With the OOC games a lot of teams didn't get to play their buy games against FCS schools and lower tier FBS schools so that wouldn't have been against equal recruits. Like how we played SFA and got 574 yards. And with the IC games where the recruits still only do so much, teams missed games against weaker teams or teams that would have driven up the yards in their games. Also more games could have brought teams down. Kent State is #1 in AYPG and they only played four games.

My point was just that we can't say the offense was good this season based on that stat alone.
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(02-17-2021 03:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 03:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 12:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The crazy thing is that BOTH Auburn and UT would have been much better if they didn't have mediocre quarterbacks. Quarterback has been a mess at both schools for a long time.

Quarterback is by far the most important position in college football.


I hope we don't struggle too much next season breaking in a new quarterback. We've been spoiled for many years.

IF Auburn had one of Lynch, Ferguson or White, they would have had very good to great teams.

Where' s Mitch Mustain when you need him?
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(02-17-2021 03:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 03:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 12:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  The crazy thing is that BOTH Auburn and UT would have been much better if they didn't have mediocre quarterbacks. Quarterback has been a mess at both schools for a long time.

Quarterback is by far the most important position in college football.


I hope we don't struggle too much next season breaking in a new quarterback. We've been spoiled for many years.

IF Auburn had one of Lynch, Ferguson or White, they would have had very good to great teams.

First time I saw Bo Nix, I said he looks like he has Brady's athletic ability and Paxton's mental ability - when ideally you want just the opposite.

Don't get me wrong - as I loved both guys here.
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Don't forget Gus took what had been a 3-9 Chizik team the year before to 12-2 & winning the SEC & playing for the BCS championship in his first season using a converted DB transfer from UGA as QB. And Nick Marshall turned out to be a near-great QB in Gus' system.
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UCF just got really really good
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(02-17-2021 04:07 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 12:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 07:00 PM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 01:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 12:11 AM)Alanda Wrote:  To be fair not everyone played the same amount of games. Our offensive efficiency ranks are way out of line with that rank and it took a big fall compared to the season before.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fp...nk/dir/asc

2020 - 71st
2019 - 12th
2018 - 22nd
2017 - 17th
2016 - 42nd
2015 - 25th
2014 - 69th
2013 - 114th

Some other efficiency stats on footballoutsiders.com had us in the 50s and 60s.

Based purely on average yards per game.

Right I saw that. But a lot of teams didn't get their, to quote Ike, CUPCAKE games to pad their numbers in both OOC and IC. Based on the efficiency we would have likely been lower in AYPG rank if they could have played those games.

All relative. 4 and 5 star recruits versus 4 and 5 star recruits, and 3 and 4 star recruits versus 3 and 4 star recruits.

With this past season definitely, but I don't think that example works. With the OOC games a lot of teams didn't get to play their buy games against FCS schools and lower tier FBS schools so that wouldn't have been against equal recruits. Like how we played SFA and got 574 yards. And with the IC games where the recruits still only do so much, teams missed games against weaker teams or teams that would have driven up the yards in their games. Also more games could have brought teams down. Kent State is #1 in AYPG and they only played four games.

My point was just that we can't say the offense was good this season based on that stat alone.

It's all relative, our offense has been much better than Malzahn's.
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The boys down the alley say: no matter what many fans will be bad mouthing next years' QB just like they did Brady White his first season. They remember thinking wouldn't it be funny if Brady turned out to be the GOAT?
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(02-17-2021 12:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:47 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

From observing him, his offense depends heavily on a stud QB, which he had in Scam Newton in 2010. Ever since then, he has been mediocre at best as his recruits have not been up to that level. He had to resort to a “smoke & mirrors” play-calling to try and catch defenses off guard.

Agree. I have never been impressed with Bo Nix. There's a reason Auburn's name comes up every time a QB hits the transfer portal.

The crazy thing is that BOTH Auburn and UT would have been much better if they didn't have mediocre quarterbacks. Quarterback has been a mess at both schools for a long time.

Auburn and UtKnoxville had mediocre QBs and their coaches hot canned, UCF had 2 good QBs in a row and their coaches got paid (by other schools)

Our current coach is stockpiling good QBs for some reason......
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(02-18-2021 07:22 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 12:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:47 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

From observing him, his offense depends heavily on a stud QB, which he had in Scam Newton in 2010. Ever since then, he has been mediocre at best as his recruits have not been up to that level. He had to resort to a “smoke & mirrors” play-calling to try and catch defenses off guard.

Agree. I have never been impressed with Bo Nix. There's a reason Auburn's name comes up every time a QB hits the transfer portal.

The crazy thing is that BOTH Auburn and UT would have been much better if they didn't have mediocre quarterbacks. Quarterback has been a mess at both schools for a long time.

Auburn and UtKnoxville had mediocre QBs and their coaches hot canned, UCF had 2 good QBs in a row and their coaches got paid (by other schools)

Our current coach is stockpiling good QBs for some reason......

Our coaches got paid too.
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(02-18-2021 07:22 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(02-17-2021 12:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 02:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:47 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

From observing him, his offense depends heavily on a stud QB, which he had in Scam Newton in 2010. Ever since then, he has been mediocre at best as his recruits have not been up to that level. He had to resort to a “smoke & mirrors” play-calling to try and catch defenses off guard.

Agree. I have never been impressed with Bo Nix. There's a reason Auburn's name comes up every time a QB hits the transfer portal.

The crazy thing is that BOTH Auburn and UT would have been much better if they didn't have mediocre quarterbacks. Quarterback has been a mess at both schools for a long time.

Auburn and UtKnoxville had mediocre QBs and their coaches hot canned, UCF had 2 good QBs in a row and their coaches got paid (by other schools)

Our current coach is stockpiling good QBs for some reason......

Probably because a good QB is crucial to winning...
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