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Great hire
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 12:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:46 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:26 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:11 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I would find it hard to believe that UTK called Gus.

Why? 77-38 in the SEC West over the last 8 years and basically the only coach that can beat Saban in the SEC with any regularity...

Tennessee’s superiority complex.

Superiority complex? 78-82 over the last 12 years and hire Dooley, Jones, Pruitt and Heupel, but Malzahn is below them? You're way off.

Lol. Do you just argue with everyone? Multiple Tennessee fans said they didn’t want auburns coach because they thought hiring an opposing SEC coach was below them. Tennessee still thinks it’s 1996.
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
Tennessee believes they’re a top 10 job. They wanted a big name. Not Malzahn. Have they hired terribly lately? Absolutely. Which is why they wanted a splash hire here.
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

From observing him, his offense depends heavily on a stud QB, which he had in Scam Newton in 2010. Ever since then, he has been mediocre at best as his recruits have not been up to that level. He had to resort to a “smoke & mirrors” play-calling to try and catch defenses off guard.
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 01:37 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 12:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:46 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:26 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:11 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I would find it hard to believe that UTK called Gus.

Why? 77-38 in the SEC West over the last 8 years and basically the only coach that can beat Saban in the SEC with any regularity...

Tennessee’s superiority complex.

Superiority complex? 78-82 over the last 12 years and hire Dooley, Jones, Pruitt and Heupel, but Malzahn is below them? You're way off.

Lol. Do you just argue with everyone? Multiple Tennessee fans said they didn’t want auburns coach because they thought hiring an opposing SEC coach was below them. Tennessee still thinks it’s 1996.

Do YOU argue with everyone? Did they know that they were getting Heupel when they didn't want Malzahn? Who do you think they would want if they had the choice?

Dooley - Three years experience at Louisiana Tech, 4-8 his last season there
Jones - Big East coach
Pruitt - $EC assistant coach
Heupel - AAC coach who has gone from 12-1 to 10-3 to 6-4

UT fans think Malzahn is inferior to these 4 hires? Maybe you should just accept that you got corrected instead of doubling down. You're a smart guy, right?
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 01:41 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/247sports.c...98430/Amp/

Finebaum On Malzahn
Quote:I think Danny White wants to put his imprint on the program by finding someone a little bit different. I think Malzahn is more form than different.”

Finebaum On Heupel
Quote:A day after Tennessee introduced Josh Heupel as the Volunteers football coach, Paul Finebaum called the hire “both safe and underwhelming.”

The ESPN analyst didn’t hold back Thursday, saying the move shows just how far the Tennessee program has fallen. “Unfortunately for Tennessee, Heupel is probably as good as the school can do,” said Finebaum, who joined me and Lee Shirvanian on “The Opening Kickoff” on WNSP-FM 105.5. “You think of a more-than-decade-long losing streak with turmoil and potentially punishing NCAA investigation around the corner, the school swung, and, frankly, it missed.”

Which leads credence to the rumours that UT offered Malzahn.

I don't think you are winning...
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 01:37 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 12:57 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:46 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:26 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 11:11 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  I would find it hard to believe that UTK called Gus.

Why? 77-38 in the SEC West over the last 8 years and basically the only coach that can beat Saban in the SEC with any regularity...

Tennessee’s superiority complex.

Superiority complex? 78-82 over the last 12 years and hire Dooley, Jones, Pruitt and Heupel, but Malzahn is below them? You're way off.

Lol. Do you just argue with everyone? Multiple Tennessee fans said they didn’t want auburns coach because they thought hiring an opposing SEC coach was below them. Tennessee still thinks it’s 1996.

Weird, after hiring an Alabama assistant last time.
Did they get the splash hire with Heupel?
I think the vast majority would have been fine with Gus. Did they offer and get rejected? I doubt it - though it's possible Gus didn't like the culture and/or was afraid of the NCAA. I think it's more likely that White tried a couple of others and got rejected, before settling.
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 01:47 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

From observing him, his offense depends heavily on a stud QB, which he had in Scam Newton in 2010. Ever since then, he has been mediocre at best as his recruits have not been up to that level. He had to resort to a “smoke & mirrors” play-calling to try and catch defenses off guard.

Agree. I have never been impressed with Bo Nix. There's a reason Auburn's name comes up every time a QB hits the transfer portal.
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Great hire by UCF. Malzahn will win at UCF and keep the rivalry alive. Win-win for the conference.
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RE: UCF hiring Gus Malzahn?
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

To be fair not everyone played the same amount of games. Our offensive efficiency ranks are way out of line with that rank and it took a big fall compared to the season before.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fp...nk/dir/asc

2020 - 71st
2019 - 12th
2018 - 22nd
2017 - 17th
2016 - 42nd
2015 - 25th
2014 - 69th
2013 - 114th

Some other efficiency stats on footballoutsiders.com had us in the 50s and 60s.
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(02-16-2021 12:11 AM)Alanda Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 01:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What I have read about Malzahn the last few years, wasn't great. He is extremely stubborn, extremely secretive, and insists on having complete control of everything. Supposedly, he is very poor at delegating responsibility to others, and his stubbornness has resulted in his offense becoming predictable and easy to defend.

So, as I always do, I checked out the stats. They were very surprising to say the least.

OFFENSIVE STATS
2009 16 Auburn OC
2010 7 Auburn OC
2011 100 Auburn OC
2012 25 Arkansas State HC, they were #23 in 2011
2013 12 Auburn HC
2014 17 Auburn HC
2015 93 Auburn HC
2016 44 Auburn HC
2017 26 Auburn HC
2018 78 Auburn HC
2019 64 Auburn HC
2020 78 Auburn HC

Memphis
2020 23
2019 10
2018 4
2017 4
2016 28
2015 19
2014 49
2013 118

To put things into perspective, our offense this year, which our whiner fans complained about non stop, was #23 in the country. So in the last 6 years, Malzahn has only been close to us 1 year.

I'm not saying that he will be Tommy Tuberville at Cincinnati, but over the last 6 years his offenses have been underwhelming. The biggest problem is that he either has bad luck with quarterbacks or can't develop them, or both. He has Gabriel, so maybe that will be the difference maker for him.

So IMO, he might end up being fine, but more than likely, we have no reason to be worried.

To be fair not everyone played the same amount of games. Our offensive efficiency ranks are way out of line with that rank and it took a big fall compared to the season before.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fp...nk/dir/asc

2020 - 71st
2019 - 12th
2018 - 22nd
2017 - 17th
2016 - 42nd
2015 - 25th
2014 - 69th
2013 - 114th

Some other efficiency stats on footballoutsiders.com had us in the 50s and 60s.

Based purely on average yards per game.
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This seems like a strong hire by Central

Some AAC schools have not fared as well adding a higher profile coach, but this one seems promising

Charlie Strong had a good year then regressed at USF (previously at Texas and Louise)
Jury still out on Holgersson or whatever his name is at Houston- from WV
Tommy West did well here- Clemson
Tuberville did ok at Cincy, nothing special- Auburn, TX Tech
SMU Dykes was HC at Cal, he has done well

Cant think of any other coaches who came to AAC school from a P5 school but this it feels as though Malzahn will be good.
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(02-16-2021 11:38 AM)Mimi Wrote:  This seems like a strong hire by Central

Some AAC schools have not fared as well adding a higher profile coach, but this one seems promising

Charlie Strong had a good year then regressed at USF (previously at Texas and Louise)
Jury still out on Holgersson or whatever his name is at Houston- from WV
Tommy West did well here- Clemson
Tuberville did ok at Cincy, nothing special- Auburn, TX Tech
SMU Dykes was HC at Cal, he has done well

Cant think of any other coaches who came to AAC school from a P5 school but this it feels as though Malzahn will be good.

O'Leary at UCF (Georgia Tech, ND (for 2 days))--Good
Randy Edsall at UConn (Maryland)--Bad (Yes, "UConn" deserves a WHO?)
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Malzahn's offenses at Auburn were going up against SEC West defenses, so mediocre numbers shouldn't be a cause for concern.

Malzahn is coming into UCF with an established QB in Gabriel. They will be fine on offense. UCF's problem was defense.
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Hugo Freeze will be joining conference soon
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(02-16-2021 12:52 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Hugo Freeze will be joining conference soon

Hopefully, he won't be joining the AAC with Liberty University.
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(02-16-2021 11:38 AM)Mimi Wrote:  This seems like a strong hire by Central

Some AAC schools have not fared as well adding a higher profile coach, but this one seems promising

Charlie Strong had a good year then regressed at USF (previously at Texas and Louise)
Jury still out on Holgersson or whatever his name is at Houston- from WV
Tommy West did well here- Clemson
Tuberville did ok at Cincy, nothing special- Auburn, TX Tech
SMU Dykes was HC at Cal, he has done well

Cant think of any other coaches who came to AAC school from a P5 school but this it feels as though Malzahn will be good.

I'd say that the Houston coach from WVU has been a flop so far.
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