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If there’s any evidence that money is not everything look at the Great State of Texas where’s tons of oil and corporate money and the talent pool is abundant in every sport. For example El Paso might not be a fertile recruiting ground for football but they make up for it in baseball and men’s soccer.

Just look at Texas and Texas A&M. All that money and nothing to show for it. Before Texas won it all in that legendary BCS title game against USC, you had to go back 35 years to find the last time a Texas school won the national championship. Until this day, UTEP is the only Div 1-A school in Texas to win the NCAA Tournament and that was 55 years ago next month. Rice and Texas have won one CWS title each in the first two decades this century which should be more given the baseball talent pool in the state.

The Great State of Texas has the resources and talent to win national championships. Look at the roster on non Texas schools and see how many players are from Texas. The state teams need to do a better job in keeping talent at home.
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(02-12-2021 10:17 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Consider the following:

1. The state of Texas has no program competing at the CFP level in FBS in spite of both Texas and Texas A&M bringing in Brobdingnagian revenues.

2. The 7 Group of 5 Texas programs collectively have 11 bowl bids the last 5 seasons and have gone 0-11 in those games.

3. Texas has no real FCS power and doesn't have a single FCS National Title.

Does the state really just have more college football programs than it can support (in terms of the amount of high school talent in the state)?

The FCS schools were mostly overshadowed by the Louisiana schools in the Southland (McNeese in particular), but Sam Houston has been very strong in recent years.

Texas historically schools have been very strong in Division II and NAIA. Texas A&I had 7 NAIA titles, Abilene Christian 2, Sam Houston, East Texas (now A&M Commerce), and Angelo St. 1. Texas State had 2 titles when in Division II and A&M Commerce has 1.
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Talking historically, SMU and TCU used to be the cream of the crop in the SWC. Things change.
02-13-2021 11:36 AM
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2010-2020 TCU finished in the top 10 three times, 2, 3, and 9. A 4 team playoff in 2010 would have included TCU and should have in 2014. QB issues have hurt us lately, but we seem to have righted the ship with that winning 5 out of our last 6 games. As I have said things are cyclical. Texas may have finally found the coach to get them going in the right direction. A&M as well.
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The Longhorns just received a verbal commitment from ☆☆☆☆☆ QB Maalik Murphy out of California. That's a good sign for their new coach.
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(02-12-2021 10:17 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Consider the following:

1. The state of Texas has no program competing at the CFP level in FBS in spite of both Texas and Texas A&M bringing in Brobdingnagian revenues.

2. The 7 Group of 5 Texas programs collectively have 11 bowl bids the last 5 seasons and have gone 0-11 in those games.

3. Texas has no real FCS power and doesn't have a single FCS National Title.

Does the state really just have more college football programs than it can support (in terms of the amount of high school talent in the state)?

There are several problems that have led to struggles in Texas.

Yes, there are too many FBS programs in Texas. Texas is the only state that could field an entire 12 team conference within it's boarders. That is just too many programs, and they take attention away from each other.

The big hitters (Texas and Texas A&M) have big time donors with very deep pockets. They dump big checks on the desks of their AD's, have ideas about who should be the head coach, and want to win now. When coaches don't produce the results immediately, they get the hook, and more money is thrown at the problem (See Charlie Strong, Tom Herman, Mike Sherman, and Kevin Sumlin).

The Texas G5 programs with fewer resources have to scrape to find diamonds in the rough, and fight off the rest of the P5 FBS programs. Mid to lower level P5's come in and try to snag our recruits near signing day every year.

Money. Texas is still booming and donors have money to give to their schools. The problem is many of these donors have agendas tied to their checks. Instead of showing up with a check and asking what their AD needs for the athletes, they show up and say I want you to do this with my money. These people are glorified fans. They don't really know what is best for their program. But, no AD is going to remain an AD for very long if they turn away free money. So, you get minor distractions from the greater goal of these Texas programs.
02-16-2021 09:29 AM
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(02-12-2021 10:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:17 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Consider the following:

1. The state of Texas has no program competing at the CFP level in FBS in spite of both Texas and Texas A&M bringing in Brobdingnagian revenues.

2. The 7 Group of 5 Texas programs collectively have 11 bowl bids the last 5 seasons and have gone 0-11 in those games.

3. Texas has no real FCS power and doesn't have a single FCS National Title.

Does the state really just have more college football programs than it can support (in terms of the amount of high school talent in the state)?

The FCS schools were mostly overshadowed by the Louisiana schools in the Southland (McNeese in particular), but Sam Houston has been very strong in recent years.

Texas historically schools have been very strong in Division II and NAIA. Texas A&I had 7 NAIA titles, Abilene Christian 2, Sam Houston, East Texas (now A&M Commerce), and Angelo St. 1. Texas State had 2 titles when in Division II and A&M Commerce has 1.

Not to mention the emergence of Mary Hardin-Baylor as a D3 power.
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(02-16-2021 10:04 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:17 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Consider the following:

1. The state of Texas has no program competing at the CFP level in FBS in spite of both Texas and Texas A&M bringing in Brobdingnagian revenues.

2. The 7 Group of 5 Texas programs collectively have 11 bowl bids the last 5 seasons and have gone 0-11 in those games.

3. Texas has no real FCS power and doesn't have a single FCS National Title.

Does the state really just have more college football programs than it can support (in terms of the amount of high school talent in the state)?

The FCS schools were mostly overshadowed by the Louisiana schools in the Southland (McNeese in particular), but Sam Houston has been very strong in recent years.

Texas historically schools have been very strong in Division II and NAIA. Texas A&I had 7 NAIA titles, Abilene Christian 2, Sam Houston, East Texas (now A&M Commerce), and Angelo St. 1. Texas State had 2 titles when in Division II and A&M Commerce has 1.

Not to mention the emergence of Mary Hardin-Baylor as a D3 power.

I would love to see how UMHB would do against FCS competition.
02-16-2021 11:08 AM
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(02-12-2021 09:27 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  If there’s any evidence that money is not everything look at the Great State of Texas where’s tons of oil and corporate money and the talent pool is abundant in every sport. For example El Paso might not be a fertile recruiting ground for football but they make up for it in baseball and men’s soccer.

Just look at Texas and Texas A&M. All that money and nothing to show for it. Before Texas won it all in that legendary BCS title game against USC, you had to go back 35 years to find the last time a Texas school won the national championship. Until this day, UTEP is the only Div 1-A school in Texas to win the NCAA Tournament and that was 55 years ago next month. Rice and Texas have won one CWS title each in the first two decades this century which should be more given the baseball talent pool in the state.

The Great State of Texas has the resources and talent to win national championships. Look at the roster on non Texas schools and see how many players are from Texas. The state teams need to do a better job in keeping talent at home.

That is really the problem. One thing that has hurt the state of Texas has been A&M leaving for the SEC. That seemed to open up Texas to the SEC and they have done quite well recruiting Texas talent. The University of Texas (UT) had one player committed to UT from the top 30 players in Texas, according to 247sports 2021 football rankings. In 2010, UT had 15 of the top 30 players in Texas. In 2010, 2 of the top 30 players went to SEC schools. In 2021, the total is 17 of 30 (8 to A&M).

Another thing is that UT just lets too many good quarterbacks get away. Do you realize that UT has only had six quarterbacks drafted into the NFL in their football history? Super Bowl MVP's Drew Brees and Nick Foles played at Austin Westlake. Baker Mayfield at Lake Travis in Austin. Quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Matthew Stafford, Case Keenum, Ryan Tannehill, Andy Dalton all went to schools other than UT. You would figure that one of them might end up at UT. Hopefully Sark will change that and he already has a 2022 commit from a five star QB from California. But he needs to recruit Texas well. UT has to take back control of Texas football recruiting.
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(02-16-2021 12:39 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 09:27 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  If there’s any evidence that money is not everything look at the Great State of Texas where’s tons of oil and corporate money and the talent pool is abundant in every sport. For example El Paso might not be a fertile recruiting ground for football but they make up for it in baseball and men’s soccer.

Just look at Texas and Texas A&M. All that money and nothing to show for it. Before Texas won it all in that legendary BCS title game against USC, you had to go back 35 years to find the last time a Texas school won the national championship. Until this day, UTEP is the only Div 1-A school in Texas to win the NCAA Tournament and that was 55 years ago next month. Rice and Texas have won one CWS title each in the first two decades this century which should be more given the baseball talent pool in the state.

The Great State of Texas has the resources and talent to win national championships. Look at the roster on non Texas schools and see how many players are from Texas. The state teams need to do a better job in keeping talent at home.

That is really the problem. One thing that has hurt the state of Texas has been A&M leaving for the SEC. That seemed to open up Texas to the SEC and they have done quite well recruiting Texas talent. The University of Texas (UT) had one player committed to UT from the top 30 players in Texas, according to 247sports 2021 football rankings. In 2010, UT had 15 of the top 30 players in Texas. In 2010, 2 of the top 30 players went to SEC schools. In 2021, the total is 17 of 30 (8 to A&M).

Another thing is that UT just lets too many good quarterbacks get away. Do you realize that UT has only had six quarterbacks drafted into the NFL in their football history? Super Bowl MVP's Drew Brees and Nick Foles played at Austin Westlake. Baker Mayfield at Lake Travis in Austin. Quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Matthew Stafford, Case Keenum, Ryan Tannehill, Andy Dalton all went to schools other than UT. You would figure that one of them might end up at UT. Hopefully Sark will change that and he already has a 2022 commit from a five star QB from California. But he needs to recruit Texas well. UT has to take back control of Texas football recruiting.

I've kept track of Texas HS recruiting for a while. 2021 was different. But prior to that, the SEC was not making any more inroads than they did in 2007. There was no difference except that A&M was an SEC school instead of a Big 12 school. LSU and Arkansas have always picked up a few Texas players. A few Texas players would go out of state to an Ohio St. or Notre Dame or Alabama.

Now 2021 was different, but that was due to two things: 1) all the rumors about Tom Hermann getting fired hampered UT recruiting and 2) a great year by Alabama recruiting. I don't know how much #2 was influenced by #1, but Alabama, instead of picking off 1 or 2 top Texas recruits, picked off 6, all but one on offense. Fortunately, 3 of their offensive coaches are no longer there. They are at Texas.
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As for Texas QBs, Texas has recruited a constant stream of 5 Star QBs. Its just that none of them seemed to pan out. Between Bobby Layne in the 40s until Major Applewhite and Chris Simms under Mack Brown 50 years later, the only QB of note was James Street, the wishbone QB who took them to the 69 championship. Now since Simms, they had Vince Young, Colt McCoy and Sam Ehrlinger. Between McCoy and Ehrlinger they have injuries and transfers and washouts. Garrett Gilbert was the successor to McCoy, flopped, but got eventually drafted out of SMU. David Ash had concussions, but not before running off a couple of talented backups. Shane Buchelle got beaten out by Sam and also moved to SMU.
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(02-12-2021 01:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:17 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Consider the following:

1. The state of Texas has no program competing at the CFP level in FBS in spite of both Texas and Texas A&M bringing in Brobdingnagian revenues.

First, very few teams have made the CFP. IIRC, there are a total of about 14 teams that have made it over the seven seasons. Lots of big names outside of Texas - Michigan, USC, Penn State, Florida, Auburn, Miami, Wisconsin come immediately to mind - have not made the playoffs.

Second, I seriously doubt that either AM or Texas has missed the playoffs because of talent that passed them over for G5 schools in the state. I just don't believe that.

The main issue is coaching. Since Mack left, Texas has not had top level coaching, and everyone needs that. Alabama was a nothing program in a national sense from the late 90s to the late 00s because it had poor coaching. The jury is still out on Jimbo at AM, he has come very close.

I agree its all coaching. If Urban Meyer went to Texas instead of Jacksonville the percentage of TX recruits going to UT would significantly increase. Fisher seems to be building a strong program at A&M if he builds on his success A&M will get more TX recruits.
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(02-16-2021 03:27 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-16-2021 12:39 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 09:27 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  If there’s any evidence that money is not everything look at the Great State of Texas where’s tons of oil and corporate money and the talent pool is abundant in every sport. For example El Paso might not be a fertile recruiting ground for football but they make up for it in baseball and men’s soccer.

Just look at Texas and Texas A&M. All that money and nothing to show for it. Before Texas won it all in that legendary BCS title game against USC, you had to go back 35 years to find the last time a Texas school won the national championship. Until this day, UTEP is the only Div 1-A school in Texas to win the NCAA Tournament and that was 55 years ago next month. Rice and Texas have won one CWS title each in the first two decades this century which should be more given the baseball talent pool in the state.

The Great State of Texas has the resources and talent to win national championships. Look at the roster on non Texas schools and see how many players are from Texas. The state teams need to do a better job in keeping talent at home.

That is really the problem. One thing that has hurt the state of Texas has been A&M leaving for the SEC. That seemed to open up Texas to the SEC and they have done quite well recruiting Texas talent. The University of Texas (UT) had one player committed to UT from the top 30 players in Texas, according to 247sports 2021 football rankings. In 2010, UT had 15 of the top 30 players in Texas. In 2010, 2 of the top 30 players went to SEC schools. In 2021, the total is 17 of 30 (8 to A&M).

Another thing is that UT just lets too many good quarterbacks get away. Do you realize that UT has only had six quarterbacks drafted into the NFL in their football history? Super Bowl MVP's Drew Brees and Nick Foles played at Austin Westlake. Baker Mayfield at Lake Travis in Austin. Quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray, Matthew Stafford, Case Keenum, Ryan Tannehill, Andy Dalton all went to schools other than UT. You would figure that one of them might end up at UT. Hopefully Sark will change that and he already has a 2022 commit from a five star QB from California. But he needs to recruit Texas well. UT has to take back control of Texas football recruiting.

I've kept track of Texas HS recruiting for a while. 2021 was different. But prior to that, the SEC was not making any more inroads than they did in 2007. There was no difference except that A&M was an SEC school instead of a Big 12 school. LSU and Arkansas have always picked up a few Texas players. A few Texas players would go out of state to an Ohio St. or Notre Dame or Alabama.

Now 2021 was different, but that was due to two things: 1) all the rumors about Tom Hermann getting fired hampered UT recruiting and 2) a great year by Alabama recruiting. I don't know how much #2 was influenced by #1, but Alabama, instead of picking off 1 or 2 top Texas recruits, picked off 6, all but one on offense. Fortunately, 3 of their offensive coaches are no longer there. They are at Texas.

2017 was not a good year, either. The highest ranking Texas recruit that the Longhorns got in 2017 was Sam Ehlinger at No.19. Of the 18 higher ranked players selected before Ehlinger, three went to Ohio State, three went to LSU, two went to Stanford, two to OU, one each went to Florida State, USC, Alabama, Notre Dame and Michigan. So it looks like multiple out-of-state schools are getting a bite of Texas talent.

UT is just not recruiting, developing and producing the talent that they once did. In the past decade (2011-2020), UT had 27 players drafted into the NFL. Over the past decade Alabama had 86 players drafted, LSU 70, Ohio State 68, FSU 51, OU 51, Notre Dame 45, Michigan 44, USC 44, and Stanford 41. Cal had 28 players drafted in the past decade and they swept UT in 2015-2016. The University of Texas should be better than that, especially considering their revenue and the talent in their state.
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(02-16-2021 03:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  As for Texas QBs, Texas has recruited a constant stream of 5 Star QBs. Its just that none of them seemed to pan out. Between Bobby Layne in the 40s until Major Applewhite and Chris Simms under Mack Brown 50 years later, the only QB of note was James Street, the wishbone QB who took them to the 69 championship. Now since Simms, they had Vince Young, Colt McCoy and Sam Ehrlinger. Between McCoy and Ehrlinger they have injuries and transfers and washouts. Garrett Gilbert was the successor to McCoy, flopped, but got eventually drafted out of SMU. David Ash had concussions, but not before running off a couple of talented backups. Shane Buchelle got beaten out by Sam and also moved to SMU.

When Street led Texas to the national championship, I was 14 and a freshman at a high school in Texas, where I played two years of football. You were either a Longhorn or an Aggie and most kids were rooting for Texas. It was the same in college. UT has a history of mediocre quarterback play and as most good teams in college football have shown, you need a good quarterback to win in big games. The 1977 team with Randy McEachern was typical of that. That was a very good team with a mediocre quarterback. Sark has got to get it to the point where kids in Texas want to go to UT because they play in big games and he needs to bring in quality quarterbacks to help get him there.
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