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[The Athletic] Cincinnati Bearcats reducing locker room rebuild plan, eye new practic
Saw this on Reddit this morning:

https://theathletic.com/2377789/2021/02/...-facility/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/lg...ng_locker/

I don't have an Athletic subscription, but from the Reddit thread, it looks like we are cutting the cost of our locker room reno in half, but still getting most of what we wanted. The pandemic has hurt fundraising efforts, so it makes sense to save $4 million if we can. We will start directing fundraising efforts towards a permanent Indoor Practice Facility.
 
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(02-10-2021 10:59 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Saw this on Reddit this morning:

https://theathletic.com/2377789/2021/02/...-facility/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/lg...ng_locker/

I don't have an Athletic subscription, but from the Reddit thread, it looks like we are cutting the cost of our locker room reno in half, but still getting most of what we wanted. The pandemic has hurt fundraising efforts, so it makes sense to save $4 million if we can. We will start directing fundraising efforts towards a permanent Indoor Practice Facility.

I'm guessing the only place the indoor practice facility could "fit" in the campus footprint is where the current practice fields/bubble is. There was some talk about converting Armory-Fieldhouse in the past. That footprint is likely too small and the costs too large too with asbestos remediation, etc.. Repurposing that historic athletic venue remains an unsolved challenge I suppose.
 
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(02-10-2021 11:45 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(02-10-2021 10:59 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Saw this on Reddit this morning:

https://theathletic.com/2377789/2021/02/...-facility/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/lg...ng_locker/

I don't have an Athletic subscription, but from the Reddit thread, it looks like we are cutting the cost of our locker room reno in half, but still getting most of what we wanted. The pandemic has hurt fundraising efforts, so it makes sense to save $4 million if we can. We will start directing fundraising efforts towards a permanent Indoor Practice Facility.

I'm guessing the only place the indoor practice facility could "fit" in the campus footprint is where the current practice fields/bubble is. There was some talk about converting Armory-Fieldhouse in the past. That footprint is likely too small and the costs too large too with asbestos remediation, etc.. Repurposing that historic athletic venue remains an unsolved challenge I suppose.

I don't think they would like to get rid of the outdoor practice area...I don't know anywhere short of the athletics park down the hill that would work, but that's so frigging far from everything it would be dumb to attempt.

Would be interesting to see if they could build out Armory a bit to accommodate a full field...as of right now, that building and land serves no purpose, blow out the North Wall and build it out to football field size from there. Not sure about width of the field though, that could be a problem.
 
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(02-10-2021 12:16 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(02-10-2021 11:45 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(02-10-2021 10:59 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Saw this on Reddit this morning:

https://theathletic.com/2377789/2021/02/...-facility/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/lg...ng_locker/

I don't have an Athletic subscription, but from the Reddit thread, it looks like we are cutting the cost of our locker room reno in half, but still getting most of what we wanted. The pandemic has hurt fundraising efforts, so it makes sense to save $4 million if we can. We will start directing fundraising efforts towards a permanent Indoor Practice Facility.

I'm guessing the only place the indoor practice facility could "fit" in the campus footprint is where the current practice fields/bubble is. There was some talk about converting Armory-Fieldhouse in the past. That footprint is likely too small and the costs too large too with asbestos remediation, etc.. Repurposing that historic athletic venue remains an unsolved challenge I suppose.

I don't think they would like to get rid of the outdoor practice area...I don't know anywhere short of the athletics park down the hill that would work, but that's so frigging far from everything it would be dumb to attempt.

Would be interesting to see if they could build out Armory a bit to accommodate a full field...as of right now, that building and land serves no purpose, blow out the North Wall and build it out to football field size from there. Not sure about width of the field though, that could be a problem.

Also, would the ceiling height be enough for punting? Not sure how much headroom is required.
 
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The Armory wouldn't work. Google Maps says there's only 260 feet between CRC and 5/3, and 291 feet between Dabney and the Rec Center. Football fields are 360x160 feet.

Looking at the map, they could probably fit an indoor practice facility just north of the Bearcat statue, across Charlton St from the bubble. It would involve demolishing the 2-story building that maps call "60 West Charlton" and also using the land that the 50-yard practice facility is on.
 
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The only other spot I can think of - and I have no idea if this property is even for sale - but is the park/area west of Stratford Heights. Move the football team into the housing at Stratford Heights and then they can easily walk over to the new facilities.

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I would exercise eminent domain or privately buy up a street or land close to campus. Glendora Ave is north of the EPA. Demolish some houses and have shared parking with the zoo.
 
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(02-10-2021 01:11 PM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  The only other spot I can think of - and I have no idea if this property is even for sale - but is the park/area west of Stratford Heights. Move the football team into the housing at Stratford Heights and then they can easily walk over to the new facilities.

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According to the Hamilton County Auditor that property is owned by the Cincinnati Board of Education. Hughes High School Athletics uses it.
 
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(02-10-2021 02:02 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  
(02-10-2021 01:11 PM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  The only other spot I can think of - and I have no idea if this property is even for sale - but is the park/area west of Stratford Heights. Move the football team into the housing at Stratford Heights and then they can easily walk over to the new facilities.

[Image: yeK9ipZ.png]

According to the Hamilton County Auditor that property is owned by the Cincinnati Board of Education. Hughes High School Athletics uses it.

It's also quite a hike from campus, mostly because it's so hilly. It's right by Stratford Heights. But I just looked it up on a mapping tool, and it's about 80 feet of elevation difference from there to the bottom of Stratford Heights (and another 70 feet from the bottom of Stratford Heights to Campus).
 
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(02-10-2021 12:44 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  The Armory wouldn't work. Google Maps says there's only 260 feet between CRC and 5/3, and 291 feet between Dabney and the Rec Center. Football fields are 360x160 feet.

Looking at the map, they could probably fit an indoor practice facility just north of the Bearcat statue, across Charlton St from the bubble. It would involve demolishing the 2-story building that maps call "60 West Charlton" and also using the land that the 50-yard practice facility is on.

Yeah, tearing down the 60 West Charlton building would give juuuust barely enough room to fit an IPF that is oriented east-to-west. No idea what the cost/implications would be in relocating whatever offices/facilities are located in that building.
 
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(02-10-2021 02:02 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:  
(02-10-2021 01:11 PM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  The only other spot I can think of - and I have no idea if this property is even for sale - but is the park/area west of Stratford Heights. Move the football team into the housing at Stratford Heights and then they can easily walk over to the new facilities.

[Image: yeK9ipZ.png]

According to the Hamilton County Auditor that property is owned by the Cincinnati Board of Education. Hughes High School Athletics uses it.

It was called Coy Field when I went to Hughes and played football in late 50’ and early 60’s. Was also used for baseball, etc.

I assume it is still used by Hughes.
 
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Wonder if you could get away with using Gettler and moving soccer/track to the outdoor practice fields. Thats the only area on or near campus that could work.

Burnett Woods, man...the University is going to be regretting that decision for years.
 
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Think really, really big. Dome Nippert. Just kidding.
 
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(02-11-2021 08:17 AM)chatcat Wrote:  Think really, really big. Dome Nippert. Just kidding.

That was in the Cincinnati Summer Olympic plan, I believe.
 
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(02-10-2021 10:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Wonder if you could get away with using Gettler and moving soccer/track to the outdoor practice fields. Thats the only area on or near campus that could work.

Burnett Woods, man...the University is going to be regretting that decision for years.

Ben and Dee Gettler made a major gift to UC for construction and naming of the soccer complex when Varsity Village was being built and I'd be shocked if their family would want it removed or re-purposed, though that can sometimes happen with the donors' blessing.

What makes UC's campus great--compactness, becomes a liability when a large footprint is needed for such a facility as this. I would think CPS would object to giving up Coy Field and that's certainly not convenient to VV. Burnet Woods has been off the table for ages. The Fieldhouse footprint is too small.

One location that has been mentioned is intriguing: the parcels across from Campus Green that sits between the EPA and Burnet Woods. That could be a beautiful setting if done properly and it extends the campus a little north of MLK. But I'm guessing getting that done might be more daunting than what FC Cincinnati faced in the West End. Multiple residences would have to be acquired and demolished; streets and zoning altered and layers of other regulations changed I'm sure for properties adjoining a city park. Still, if UC could put a couple of classrooms in the building or move the African American Cultural Center from old Sanders, it becomes an academic/multi-purpose building rather than purely athletics and there could be state funding available to augment the private donations needed. And if someone named Lindner got involved, a mountain could be moved I'm sure.

This is one case where a campus in a cornfield has a distinct advantage over UC.
 
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(02-10-2021 10:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Wonder if you could get away with using Gettler and moving soccer/track to the outdoor practice fields. Thats the only area on or near campus that could work.

Burnett Woods, man...the University is going to be regretting that decision for years.

Ben and Dee Gettler made a major gift to UC for construction and naming of the soccer complex when Varsity Village was being built and I'd be shocked if their family would want it removed or re-purposed, though that can sometimes happen with the donors' blessing.

What makes UC's campus great--compactness, becomes a liability when a large footprint is needed for such a facility as this. I would think CPS would object to giving up Coy Field and that's certainly not convenient to VV. Burnet Woods has been off the table for ages. The Fieldhouse footprint is too small.

One location that has been mentioned is intriguing: the parcels across from Campus Green that sits between the EPA and Burnet Woods. That could be a beautiful setting if done properly and it extends the campus a little north of MLK. But I'm guessing getting that done might be more daunting than what FC Cincinnati faced in the West End. Multiple residences would have to be acquired and demolished; streets and zoning altered and layers of other regulations changed I'm sure for properties adjoining a city park. Still, if UC could put a couple of classrooms in the building or move the African American Cultural Center from old Sanders, it becomes an academic/multi-purpose building rather than purely athletics and there could be state funding available to augment the private donations needed. And if someone named Lindner got involved, a mountain could be moved I'm sure.

This is one case where a campus in a cornfield has a distinct advantage over UC.

It is EXTREMELY hard to get around the rules for the biennium capital improvement disbursements from the state...and athletics would absolutely have to cut through about 1,500 miles of red tape for that.

It's probably just going to be Sheakley and LAX goes to using the soccer field full time. Far "straighter line" than any other option...only other thing I could see is the ED the block across Jefferson from those fields, but then you're looking at a $100M investment after property transfers and construction are figured out and we can't afford that. You could build out a permanent building with some quality office space and locker room facilities over the currently existing Sheakley space for far less.
 
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(02-11-2021 08:19 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(02-11-2021 08:17 AM)chatcat Wrote:  Think really, really big. Dome Nippert. Just kidding.

That was in the Cincinnati Summer Olympic plan, I believe.

But not for football. Track and Field and Gymnastics would have been held in Nippert and then, long-term, basketball.
 
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The other thing that really holds UC back, in terms of being land-locked, is the general animosity and antipathy that exists between the City of Cincinnati and the University. So, part of the Burnett Woods issue is not only the issue of "Greenspace" and "Nature Preservation," but also that Burnett Woods functions as a "buffer" between the Campus and the neighborhoods, so any move by UC to "use" Burnett Woods instantly becomes one of "encroachment." If the Campus tried to expand by purchasing adjacent...even derelict...properties, you'd have a fight on your hands by Coreyville and Clifton neighborhoods over encroachment. Yes, there is the sheer cost of property acquisition, but you also have to deal with the surrounding neighborhoods and their associations, who frankly don't want to see UC grow.

Our situation is more akin to Temple University... Philadelphia enjoys the benefits having Temple University brings, but at the same time the City constantly fights Temple University. I have never really understood the antipathy that the City of Cincinnati has towards UC; UC is the single biggest employer in Cincinnati, it's a world-class University, the Hospital and Medical School makes Cincinnati a much better place to live in, and the University sports teams have brought both entertainment and success to the city at prices most common people can actually afford. And yet, the City at best turns a blind eye towards the University and at worst seems to oppose the University from ever growing beyond what it already is. Contrast that with my experience living in Morgantown, where WVU does pretty much whatever they want and Mon County funds everything from a brand-new baseball stadium to now a new natatorium even while the University continues to eat Morgantown and the County like a cancer, from the inside-out.

The City of Cincinnati and it's neighborhoods would do better, I think, if they actually worked WITH UC rather than constantly fighting against UC...but I don't see that happening any time soon. So, UC is probably stuck with the current campus footprint for the foreseeable future.
 
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(02-10-2021 10:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Wonder if you could get away with using Gettler and moving soccer/track to the outdoor practice fields. Thats the only area on or near campus that could work.

Burnett Woods, man...the University is going to be regretting that decision for years.

Ben and Dee Gettler made a major gift to UC for construction and naming of the soccer complex when Varsity Village was being built and I'd be shocked if their family would want it removed or re-purposed, though that can sometimes happen with the donors' blessing.

What makes UC's campus great--compactness, becomes a liability when a large footprint is needed for such a facility as this. I would think CPS would object to giving up Coy Field and that's certainly not convenient to VV. Burnet Woods has been off the table for ages. The Fieldhouse footprint is too small.

One location that has been mentioned is intriguing: the parcels across from Campus Green that sits between the EPA and Burnet Woods. That could be a beautiful setting if done properly and it extends the campus a little north of MLK. But I'm guessing getting that done might be more daunting than what FC Cincinnati faced in the West End. Multiple residences would have to be acquired and demolished; streets and zoning altered and layers of other regulations changed I'm sure for properties adjoining a city park. Still, if UC could put a couple of classrooms in the building or move the African American Cultural Center from old Sanders, it becomes an academic/multi-purpose building rather than purely athletics and there could be state funding available to augment the private donations needed. And if someone named Lindner got involved, a mountain could be moved I'm sure.

This is one case where a campus in a cornfield has a distinct advantage over UC.

It is EXTREMELY hard to get around the rules for the biennium capital improvement disbursements from the state...and athletics would absolutely have to cut through about 1,500 miles of red tape for that.

It's probably just going to be Sheakley and LAX goes to using the soccer field full time. Far "straighter line" than any other option...only other thing I could see is the ED the block across Jefferson from those fields, but then you're looking at a $100M investment after property transfers and construction are figured out and we can't afford that. You could build out a permanent building with some quality office space and locker room facilities over the currently existing Sheakley space for far less.

And if Sheakley, a question remains whether it was structurally engineered to support anything more than an empty field on top since the basketball practice gym is below the surface there.

I'm a little biased I suppose, but UC has done more to drive the revitalization of Uptown than any other single entity. It would be great to see the Cincinnati Park Board, Zoo, and other interested parties come together to identify and create a space that could be enhanced by a well designed facility that might extend some greenspace and provide some auxiliary (seasonal) parking for those entities.

I can't recall if the Zoo had to use eminent domain to clear that large parcel west of Vine Street for their excellent parking facility and overhead walkway. But my guess is the end result was less vehicular traffic and street parking for the residents north and east of the Zoo footprint than ever before. Any solution likely has to be a win/win for both Uptown's major players and local residents in order to happen.
 
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(02-10-2021 10:19 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Wonder if you could get away with using Gettler and moving soccer/track to the outdoor practice fields. Thats the only area on or near campus that could work.

Burnett Woods, man...the University is going to be regretting that decision for years.

Ben and Dee Gettler made a major gift to UC for construction and naming of the soccer complex when Varsity Village was being built and I'd be shocked if their family would want it removed or re-purposed, though that can sometimes happen with the donors' blessing.

What makes UC's campus great--compactness, becomes a liability when a large footprint is needed for such a facility as this. I would think CPS would object to giving up Coy Field and that's certainly not convenient to VV. Burnet Woods has been off the table for ages. The Fieldhouse footprint is too small.

One location that has been mentioned is intriguing: the parcels across from Campus Green that sits between the EPA and Burnet Woods. That could be a beautiful setting if done properly and it extends the campus a little north of MLK. But I'm guessing getting that done might be more daunting than what FC Cincinnati faced in the West End. Multiple residences would have to be acquired and demolished; streets and zoning altered and layers of other regulations changed I'm sure for properties adjoining a city park. Still, if UC could put a couple of classrooms in the building or move the African American Cultural Center from old Sanders, it becomes an academic/multi-purpose building rather than purely athletics and there could be state funding available to augment the private donations needed. And if someone named Lindner got involved, a mountain could be moved I'm sure.

This is one case where a campus in a cornfield has a distinct advantage over UC.

It is EXTREMELY hard to get around the rules for the biennium capital improvement disbursements from the state...and athletics would absolutely have to cut through about 1,500 miles of red tape for that.

It's probably just going to be Sheakley and LAX goes to using the soccer field full time. Far "straighter line" than any other option...only other thing I could see is the ED the block across Jefferson from those fields, but then you're looking at a $100M investment after property transfers and construction are figured out and we can't afford that. You could build out a permanent building with some quality office space and locker room facilities over the currently existing Sheakley space for far less.

And if Sheakley, a question remains whether it was structurally engineered to support anything more than an empty field on top since the basketball practice gym is below the surface there.

I'm a little biased I suppose, but UC has done more to drive the revitalization of Uptown than any other single entity. It would be great to see the Cincinnati Park Board, Zoo, and other interested parties come together to identify and create a space that could be enhanced by a well designed facility that might extend some greenspace and provide some auxiliary (seasonal) parking for those entities.

I can't recall if the Zoo had to use eminent domain to clear that large parcel west of Vine Street for their excellent parking facility and overhead walkway. But my guess is the end result was less vehicular traffic and street parking for the residents north and east of the Zoo footprint than ever before. Any solution likely has to be a win/win for both Uptown's major players and local residents in order to happen.

Wait, which Sheakley is above the practice basketball courts? The field right behind left field and outside the lindner center, or the sit where the Bubble currently is?
 
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