Bandwagon,
Nailed it
IKE's opinion is Penny will evolve into a excellent college coach to go a long with his excellent recruiting.
Right now he's dealing with aau ball players that run up and down court and jack it up. Sometimes the ball goes up with nobody in position but obviously the Dude had a open look, if he misses nobody to rebound, how they play in aau. Penny has to break the bad habits of kids who have been playing this way since they were 11
Penny knows the game and he will turn it around.
Ike sees improvement this yr and as we go into March we could make a decent run, Ike will attribute this to the players listening to Penny
(02-07-2021 10:39 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: I wasn't speaking of MEMPHIS---young squad ? a lot of them have been playing for Penny for years--but again I wasn't talking about MEMPHIS.
I was talking about the entire national workforce using covid as an excuse for failure ----while others in the same exact profession are successful -----it's the everybody gets a trophy society ----excuses excuses .
Some people make things happen---some people watch things happen---other people wonder what the he!! happened
By the way--I guess the virus didn't bother practice time of --Gonzaga Baylor Villanova Houston Michigan etc etc
Yes the more experienced teams have faired much better this year.
ECU returned 5 starters 8-7 ----OKC 1 starter 12-5 -- Arkansuck 0 starters 14-5 -----we returned 4.............good point.....I can't see how ECU with all that experience have lost a game----or how Arkansuck with 0 returning starters have even won a game.
As usual you are just skewing and spewing crap. Yes, technically Arkansas has no returning starters, however, they have a very experienced team... Their starting lineup consists of;
- Connor Vanover (sound familiar) - Redshirt Sophomore (3 years in college)
- Davonte Davis - Freshman
- Moses Moody - Freshman
- Justin Smith - Graduate transfer senior (avg. over 30 minutes a game at Indiana in 3 years)
- Jalen Tate - Graduate transfer senior (Horizon league defensive player of the year and Horizon league conference tournament MVP)
Then their 6th man
- JD Notae - Redshirt Junior (4th year in college)
So, while none started at Arkansas 2 of them were starters for a college team last year and Vanover would have started had he not had to sit out as a transfer... Acting like they are not experienced is laughable.
I am spewing crap--- surely you jest. We return 4 starters and we added 2 starters from other teams that are arguably our two best players. Yeah we have ZERO experience---smh
Where did I say we were not experienced? I was responding to you spewing crap about Arkansas not being experienced which you clearly were..
(02-07-2021 10:11 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote: What Tigerx3 says is the truth. Playing together as a team requires time spent with each other/getting to know your teammates style of play and vice versa.
We should've seen this young squad make a big jump this season but from not seeing tournament play, not playing pick-up games, not having normal summer work outs and being sick or injured has its toll.
young squad ? a lot of them have been playing for Penny for year's
I don’t think that’s what that means.
The statement was --(a young team not having time to practice or getting to know your teammates style of play)----however we have some players that have been playing together and for Penny for years. Plus we return 4 starters. Last year we were saying the same thing---that we were so young----saying wait until next year . Plus players improve more from year 1 to year 2 than---plus EVERY school in the country has went through the same thing. Heck with us having players that have been playing for Penny for years ---and returning 4 starters ---COVID should have given us an advantage
Hey ,I am the Penny defender----just tired of outlandish statements and always excuses . Remember I am the guy that defended Penny when people were saying that he didn't or couldn't even install an offense-----AFTER BEING IN BB HIS ENTIRE LIFE---oh yeah the Penny needs more experience crowd ----that he learned NOTHING from the hundreds of coaches he has been around his entire life. People seem to think the game of BB is akin to physics .
I only meant that I believe “young squad” refers to the fact that they are still adapting to stiffer and more experienced competition. Not how long they’ve been playing for Penny. With respect to the above, coaching is hard.
Some people are just so thick headed it’s fruitless to continue the debate with them. Fact is these young Tigers are 322 in d1 experience with a little over 1.1 yrs of experience and a coach in his 3 yr of d1 coaching.
(02-07-2021 08:38 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: Give me ( what people say that look for excuses --while others excel or are successful --- for 500 Alex (RIP) ).
What Tigerx3 says is the truth. Playing together as a team requires time spent with each other/getting to know your teammates style of play and vice versa.
We should've seen this young squad make a big jump this season but from not seeing tournament play, not playing pick-up games, not having normal summer work outs and being sick or injured has its toll.
young squad ? a lot of them have been playing for Penny for year's
I don’t think that’s what that means.
The statement was --(a young team not having time to practice or getting to know your teammates style of play)----however we have some players that have been playing together and for Penny for years. Plus we return 4 starters. Last year we were saying the same thing---that we were so young----saying wait until next year . Plus players improve more from year 1 to year 2 than---plus EVERY school in the country has went through the same thing. Heck with us having players that have been playing for Penny for years ---and returning 4 starters ---COVID should have given us an advantage
Hey ,I am the Penny defender----just tired of outlandish statements and always excuses . Remember I am the guy that defended Penny when people were saying that he didn't or couldn't even install an offense-----AFTER BEING IN BB HIS ENTIRE LIFE---oh yeah the Penny needs more experience crowd ----that he learned NOTHING from the hundreds of coaches he has been around his entire life. People seem to think the game of BB is akin to physics .
In all fairness, I shouldn't single out unique posts when all of them are full blown crazy.
Quote:Am I correct that he's only been playing 3-4 years? Seems like I heard that. And he really is a high school senior. But yeah, he does.
How many does he need ?
Quote:Hey ,I am the Penny defender----just tired of outlandish statements and always excuses .
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Look, here's the whole truth about it. Penny is a HUGE basketball mind that can draw up plays, I'm sure, that would rival any great coach out there. What he had shown he can NOT do... not yet... is to make his players follow the game plan 100%, or even 90% of the time. That's what great coaches do. They bully their players into performing under control ALL the time. It takes a special (some would say "assshole-level") personality to make that happen. Penny is a very nice person, but I suspect he needs to ratchet up the pressure on his players a notch or two before he/we will reach the success level he his capable of. Doing that without alienating them is a tricky business these days. It's not like it was back when he was a player. And he knows that. So he's got to ease into it over the course of a couple of more years. I'm gonna be patient and wait for the best to happen eventually. Football's goin' good, so I'm in no hurry. That will tide us over until Penny can get us back to top25 level basketball on the regular.
(02-08-2021 01:00 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: Look, here's the whole truth about it. Penny is a HUGE basketball mind that can draw up plays, I'm sure, that would rival any great coach out there. What he had shown he can NOT do... not yet... is to make his players follow the game plan 100%, or even 90% of the time. That's what great coaches do. They bully their players into performing under control ALL the time. It takes a special (some would say "assshole-level") personality to make that happen. Penny is a very nice person, but I suspect he needs to ratchet up the pressure on his players a notch or two before he/we will reach the success level he his capable of. Doing that without alienating them is a tricky business these days. It's not like it was back when he was a player. And he knows that. So he's got to ease into it over the course of a couple of more years. I'm gonna be patient and wait for the best to happen eventually. Football's goin' good, so I'm in no hurry. That will tide us over until Penny can get us back to top25 level basketball on the regular.
So let it be written
So let it be done
For sure, especially with the transfer portal wide open. I agree with your assessment.
(02-07-2021 08:38 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: Give me ( what people say that look for excuses --while others excel or are successful --- for 500 Alex (RIP) ).
What Tigerx3 says is the truth. Playing together as a team requires time spent with each other/getting to know your teammates style of play and vice versa.
We should've seen this young squad make a big jump this season but from not seeing tournament play, not playing pick-up games, not having normal summer work outs and being sick or injured has its toll.
young squad ? a lot of them have been playing for Penny for year's
I don’t think that’s what that means.
The statement was --(a young team not having time to practice or getting to know your teammates style of play)----however we have some players that have been playing together and for Penny for years. Plus we return 4 starters. Last year we were saying the same thing---that we were so young----saying wait until next year . Plus players improve more from year 1 to year 2 than---plus EVERY school in the country has went through the same thing. Heck with us having players that have been playing for Penny for years ---and returning 4 starters ---COVID should have given us an advantage
Hey ,I am the Penny defender----just tired of outlandish statements and always excuses . Remember I am the guy that defended Penny when people were saying that he didn't or couldn't even install an offense-----AFTER BEING IN BB HIS ENTIRE LIFE---oh yeah the Penny needs more experience crowd ----that he learned NOTHING from the hundreds of coaches he has been around his entire life. People seem to think the game of BB is akin to physics .
(02-07-2021 02:25 PM)micman Wrote: [quote='former guest' pid='17263078' dateline='1612724546']
Trying to keep from disparaging (too much) a poster who is obviously a trolling simpleton, but I will say that Penny has been playing the game at all levels for many years and as a player, his instincts in the moment (like on the court, with the ball in his hands) are very high level. However, having that innate ability to react while performing the act, and trying to teach that reaction to someone else so they can reproduce it, are two totally different things. He has the experience as a player, but not so much as a college coach - yet....
Which is why I think that he should be given a lot of credit for his wisdom in focusing on coaching the defense while hiring offensive-minded assistants to coach the offense. How many people, in the history of basketball, can do what he could do on offense (in his prime), three? Maybe. Certainly less than 10 people, ever. There was only one person I ever saw who could defend him; and that one person is widely considered to be the best of all time.
BIRD ?
Didn't Larry Bird nickname Penny "Mr. Defense" when Penny's college all star prep team practiced against the Dream Team in 1992?
(02-07-2021 10:11 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote: What Tigerx3 says is the truth. Playing together as a team requires time spent with each other/getting to know your teammates style of play and vice versa.
We should've seen this young squad make a big jump this season but from not seeing tournament play, not playing pick-up games, not having normal summer work outs and being sick or injured has its toll.
young squad ? a lot of them have been playing for Penny for year's
I don’t think that’s what that means.
The statement was --(a young team not having time to practice or getting to know your teammates style of play)----however we have some players that have been playing together and for Penny for years. Plus we return 4 starters. Last year we were saying the same thing---that we were so young----saying wait until next year . Plus players improve more from year 1 to year 2 than---plus EVERY school in the country has went through the same thing. Heck with us having players that have been playing for Penny for years ---and returning 4 starters ---COVID should have given us an advantage
Hey ,I am the Penny defender----just tired of outlandish statements and always excuses . Remember I am the guy that defended Penny when people were saying that he didn't or couldn't even install an offense-----AFTER BEING IN BB HIS ENTIRE LIFE---oh yeah the Penny needs more experience crowd ----that he learned NOTHING from the hundreds of coaches he has been around his entire life. People seem to think the game of BB is akin to physics .
Shooting a basketball is 100% physics.
Come to think of it.... passing, dribbling and jumping are all impacted by physics.
(02-07-2021 10:39 PM)jsw3ent Wrote: young squad ? a lot of them have been playing for Penny for year's
I don’t think that’s what that means.
The statement was --(a young team not having time to practice or getting to know your teammates style of play)----however we have some players that have been playing together and for Penny for years. Plus we return 4 starters. Last year we were saying the same thing---that we were so young----saying wait until next year . Plus players improve more from year 1 to year 2 than---plus EVERY school in the country has went through the same thing. Heck with us having players that have been playing for Penny for years ---and returning 4 starters ---COVID should have given us an advantage
Hey ,I am the Penny defender----just tired of outlandish statements and always excuses . Remember I am the guy that defended Penny when people were saying that he didn't or couldn't even install an offense-----AFTER BEING IN BB HIS ENTIRE LIFE---oh yeah the Penny needs more experience crowd ----that he learned NOTHING from the hundreds of coaches he has been around his entire life. People seem to think the game of BB is akin to physics .
Shooting a basketball is 100% physics.
Come to think of it.... passing, dribbling and jumping are all impacted by physics.
#debunkedagain
OK maybe I should have said like learning to be a rocket scientist ---I meant BB is not as hard LOL
(02-08-2021 01:00 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: Look, here's the whole truth about it. Penny is a HUGE basketball mind that can draw up plays, I'm sure, that would rival any great coach out there. What he had shown he can NOT do... not yet... is to make his players follow the game plan 100%, or even 90% of the time. That's what great coaches do. They bully their players into performing under control ALL the time. It takes a special (some would say "assshole-level") personality to make that happen. Penny is a very nice person, but I suspect he needs to ratchet up the pressure on his players a notch or two before he/we will reach the success level he his capable of. Doing that without alienating them is a tricky business these days. It's not like it was back when he was a player. And he knows that. So he's got to ease into it over the course of a couple of more years. I'm gonna be patient and wait for the best to happen eventually. Football's goin' good, so I'm in no hurry. That will tide us over until Penny can get us back to top25 level basketball on the regular.
So let it be written
So let it be done
Why wait a couple more years ? WHY WAIT ? So you think Penny is saying to himself " hey I need to wait a couple more years to really win big --I don't want to win big now "---Again --already looking for excuses for the next two years. He!! the FRAUDSTER Smith actually implied as much .
I do agree that Penny knows as much about BB as anyone alive or dead .
(02-08-2021 04:16 PM)snowtiger Wrote: It’s boring ....the Who dude is using this thread to process his personal loss
of josh but it’s prolly triggering all of his losses
Maybe we should have special private rooms set up for this. lol
Of course, there is also the possibility he’s just trolling for attention.
Either way the results are the same —
Wow---that's a first my friend --you making a disparaging remark about the WHO/RUE THE DAY guy. LOL
For the record ---I am not trolling---unlike some on here --I believe Penny knows as much about the game of BB as anyone alive or dead. Unlike some on here -I believe Penny knows how to install an offense . Unlike others on here --I believe after 40 years of being around 100's of great coaches---been in every conceivable BB situation 1000's of times ---that Penny has the mental capabilities to recall what he has witnessed other coaches do 1000's of times .
(02-07-2021 08:46 AM)ImaTiger Wrote: Players on their feet pulling for each other; coaches working in the moment to motivate and teach.
When I read this part, I remember a moment in the game yesterday when Lester Quinones and Deandre Williams were pissed at each other after a Williams pass to LQ led to a turnover. I am not a lip reader but you could tell LQ said "FU" to Williams and Williams said the same thing back to LQ. I waited to see if Coach Penny saw it and if he would say or do anything. I didn't see any response. Maybe it was addressed in a huddle or after the game. Maybe they kissed and made up soon thereafter and it was no big deal. In any event, I was a little shocked to see those two go at it. Just another reason why coaching teenagers and young men is hard.
No, he said "That's on you".
That's what I thought, too. At first I did think he said "FU," but on another look and another angle I thought it was either, "That's on you," or "That's you." Maybe a little nit-picky, either way, as it didn't seem to fester as the game went on.
(02-08-2021 01:00 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote: Look, here's the whole truth about it. Penny is a HUGE basketball mind that can draw up plays, I'm sure, that would rival any great coach out there. What he had shown he can NOT do... not yet... is to make his players follow the game plan 100%, or even 90% of the time. That's what great coaches do. They bully their players into performing under control ALL the time. It takes a special (some would say "assshole-level") personality to make that happen. Penny is a very nice person, but I suspect he needs to ratchet up the pressure on his players a notch or two before he/we will reach the success level he his capable of. Doing that without alienating them is a tricky business these days. It's not like it was back when he was a player. And he knows that. So he's got to ease into it over the course of a couple of more years. I'm gonna be patient and wait for the best to happen eventually. Football's goin' good, so I'm in no hurry. That will tide us over until Penny can get us back to top25 level basketball on the regular.
So let it be written
So let it be done
Why wait a couple more years ? WHY WAIT ? So you think Penny is saying to himself " hey I need to wait a couple more years to really win big --I don't want to win big now "---Again --already looking for excuses for the next two years. He!! the FRAUDSTER Smith actually implied as much .
I do agree that Penny knows as much about BB as anyone alive or dead .
No, that's not what I am saying. What I'm saying is, you can't just turn into an a-hole overnight. You have to ease your way into a change of perception by others.
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Coachin; the last thread
