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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-28-2021 09:58 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  we have 3 HS kids coming in next year; we have 2 HS kids on this year's roster. Wade, Ezipke, Reese, Hunter, Green are HSers. Do you ever check and THINK about what you post. Zero credibility here, none.

DO YOUR EVER THINK WHAT YOU POST? TWO FRESHMEN NOT PLAYING AND THREE IMCOMING GUARDS (UNKNOWN) AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTION, AS COMING IN AS FRESHMEN ARE ONLY AVERGE, NOT CONSISTANT. AFTER NEXT YEAR YOU WILL SEE HOW GREAT JJ RECRUITING IS!
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-28-2021 08:47 AM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:16 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:10 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 08:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 04:36 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.

Poor choice of words, the recruitment game has changed. More one and done, more kids who will only consider offers from major programs, even if that offer means wasting a year or two of eligibility sitting on the bench before they realize they were better off accepting their offer from ODU who really wanted them. Unless we are breaking the rules or willing to take on a non qualifier in the hopes that they become eligible, I feel the days of schools like ODU getting major commits that will be powerful impact players are gone. I mean in reality, isn't that what sent BT over the edge, he was kiliing himself trying to find a whole squad of Kent Bazemores, kids who flew under the radar becasue of where they played or where they were from or when they picked up the game. Unless we are getting an offer to ACC the days of us signing complete players out of HS are gone. My opinion

And yet WKU, VCU and others seem to be able to find Freshmen who can contribute.

Yes times have changed in recruiting, that is why we need a young coach with new ideas and know how to convince high school players to come to ODU!

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02-02-2021 10:35 AM
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
Bluelight, you need to stop with the all caps. You’re not talking to Wood or JJ here. It’s unnecessary. You look unhinged.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(02-02-2021 10:35 AM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-28-2021 08:47 AM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:16 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:10 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 08:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.

Poor choice of words, the recruitment game has changed. More one and done, more kids who will only consider offers from major programs, even if that offer means wasting a year or two of eligibility sitting on the bench before they realize they were better off accepting their offer from ODU who really wanted them. Unless we are breaking the rules or willing to take on a non qualifier in the hopes that they become eligible, I feel the days of schools like ODU getting major commits that will be powerful impact players are gone. I mean in reality, isn't that what sent BT over the edge, he was kiliing himself trying to find a whole squad of Kent Bazemores, kids who flew under the radar becasue of where they played or where they were from or when they picked up the game. Unless we are getting an offer to ACC the days of us signing complete players out of HS are gone. My opinion

And yet WKU, VCU and others seem to be able to find Freshmen who can contribute.

Yes times have changed in recruiting, that is why we need a young coach with new ideas and know how to convince high school players to come to ODU!

I'M GLAD WE HAVE FANS THAT LISTEN, AND WILLING TO EXCEPT THE TRUTH.

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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(02-01-2021 07:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-28-2021 09:58 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  we have 3 HS kids coming in next year; we have 2 HS kids on this year's roster. Wade, Ezipke, Reese, Hunter, Green are HSers. Do you ever check and THINK about what you post. Zero credibility here, none.

DO YOUR EVER THINK WHAT YOU POST? TWO FRESHMEN NOT PLAYING AND THREE IMCOMING GUARDS (UNKNOWN) AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTION, AS COMING IN AS FRESHMEN ARE ONLY AVERGE, NOT CONSISTANT. AFTER NEXT YEAR YOU WILL SEE HOW GREAT JJ RECRUITING IS!

Yes, BlueLight, I do think before I post, which is why I'm going to reply to your post about recruiting:

A) You said JJ can't/won't recruit HS players. I gave you several examples of HSers who play for ODU. Maybe you meant to say something about 4* or 5* players, but I don't believe you made that distinction, and I can't read your mind.

B) If the only players JJ was bringing in were JUCOs, you would complain that all he can get are JUCOs and not HSers

C) If all he brought in were transfers, you would complain that he can't recruit HSers or JUCOs; in other words, whatever he did or didn't do you would gripe about

D) The 3 incoming guards may be unknown to you, but Irmo Essien is a 3* who scored than 1500 points in HS. Jadin Johnson is also a 3*. Stines, from Baltimore, is a 2*. Now I admit I don't put much stock in this star system once you get past the 5s and 4s, but the incoming kids are not "unknown."

E) FWIW, I'm not happy with where the program is and it won't bother me a bit if ODU changes coaches. I just don't think that's going to happen without a revised evaluation of where athletics stands in the university hierarchy, and I'm betting the new prez has much bigger fish to fry before getting down to firing coaches -- in any sport.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(02-02-2021 11:46 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  
(02-01-2021 07:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-28-2021 09:58 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  we have 3 HS kids coming in next year; we have 2 HS kids on this year's roster. Wade, Ezipke, Reese, Hunter, Green are HSers. Do you ever check and THINK about what you post. Zero credibility here, none.

DO YOUR EVER THINK WHAT YOU POST? TWO FRESHMEN NOT PLAYING AND THREE IMCOMING GUARDS (UNKNOWN) AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTION, AS COMING IN AS FRESHMEN ARE ONLY AVERGE, NOT CONSISTANT. AFTER NEXT YEAR YOU WILL SEE HOW GREAT JJ RECRUITING IS!

Yes, BlueLight, I do think before I post, which is why I'm going to reply to your post about recruiting:

A) You said JJ can't/won't recruit HS players. I gave you several examples of HSers who play for ODU. Maybe you meant to say something about 4* or 5* players, but I don't believe you made that distinction, and I can't read your mind.

B) If the only players JJ was bringing in were JUCOs, you would complain that all he can get are JUCOs and not HSers

C) If all he brought in were transfers, you would complain that he can't recruit HSers or JUCOs; in other words, whatever he did or didn't do you would gripe about

D) The 3 incoming guards may be unknown to you, but Irmo Essien is a 3* who scored than 1500 points in HS. Jadin Johnson is also a 3*. Stines, from Baltimore, is a 2*. Now I admit I don't put much stock in this star system once you get past the 5s and 4s, but the incoming kids are not "unknown."

E) FWIW, I'm not happy with where the program is and it won't bother me a bit if ODU changes coaches. I just don't think that's going to happen without a revised evaluation of where athletics stands in the university hierarchy, and I'm betting the new prez has much bigger fish to fry before getting down to firing coaches -- in any sport.

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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(02-02-2021 11:46 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  
(02-01-2021 07:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-28-2021 09:58 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  we have 3 HS kids coming in next year; we have 2 HS kids on this year's roster. Wade, Ezipke, Reese, Hunter, Green are HSers. Do you ever check and THINK about what you post. Zero credibility here, none.

DO YOUR EVER THINK WHAT YOU POST? TWO FRESHMEN NOT PLAYING AND THREE IMCOMING GUARDS (UNKNOWN) AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTION, AS COMING IN AS FRESHMEN ARE ONLY AVERGE, NOT CONSISTANT. AFTER NEXT YEAR YOU WILL SEE HOW GREAT JJ RECRUITING IS!

Yes, BlueLight, I do think before I post, which is why I'm going to reply to your post about recruiting:

A) You said JJ can't/won't recruit HS players. I gave you several examples of HSers who play for ODU. Maybe you meant to say something about 4* or 5* players, but I don't believe you made that distinction, and I can't read your mind.

B) If the only players JJ was bringing in were JUCOs, you would complain that all he can get are JUCOs and not HSers

C) If all he brought in were transfers, you would complain that he can't recruit HSers or JUCOs; in other words, whatever he did or didn't do you would gripe about

D) The 3 incoming guards may be unknown to you, but Irmo Essien is a 3* who scored than 1500 points in HS. Jadin Johnson is also a 3*. Stines, from Baltimore, is a 2*. Now I admit I don't put much stock in this star system once you get past the 5s and 4s, but the incoming kids are not "unknown."

E) FWIW, I'm not happy with where the program is and it won't bother me a bit if ODU changes coaches. I just don't think that's going to happen without a revised evaluation of where athletics stands in the university hierarchy, and I'm betting the new prez has much bigger fish to fry before getting down to firing coaches -- in any sport.

I don't believe in stars. Over 7 years JJ has had winning seasons, but how many top 100 teams has he beaten in 7 seen to be 8 years? JJ knows j As long as he is at ODU, we will always be mediocre. C-USA is a very weak basketball league, so with that and the sorry non conference schedule, we could easily win 20 games. Hunter was a 3 star but (in his second year) he doesn't play like one, just like X was a 3 star. I'LL say it again, we need a young coach, who know how to convince 3/4 stars to come to ODU and play right away. On ODU recruiting chart I get bad when I see a player JJ is recruiting, goes to a lower class league/team. I use to eat and sleep ODU, now I just follow them, when on TV. It is what it is! W&M has a freshmen, who played well against ODU and got 30 points the other night. None of these shooters, will fall in our array of talent. Take a look on the tread about Wood. It might make you remember where we were and how we have been in the last 7 years.
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(02-02-2021 12:08 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(02-02-2021 11:46 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  
(02-01-2021 07:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-28-2021 09:58 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  we have 3 HS kids coming in next year; we have 2 HS kids on this year's roster. Wade, Ezipke, Reese, Hunter, Green are HSers. Do you ever check and THINK about what you post. Zero credibility here, none.

DO YOUR EVER THINK WHAT YOU POST? TWO FRESHMEN NOT PLAYING AND THREE IMCOMING GUARDS (UNKNOWN) AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE YOU MENTION, AS COMING IN AS FRESHMEN ARE ONLY AVERGE, NOT CONSISTANT. AFTER NEXT YEAR YOU WILL SEE HOW GREAT JJ RECRUITING IS!

Yes, BlueLight, I do think before I post, which is why I'm going to reply to your post about recruiting:

A) You said JJ can't/won't recruit HS players. I gave you several examples of HSers who play for ODU. Maybe you meant to say something about 4* or 5* players, but I don't believe you made that distinction, and I can't read your mind.

B) If the only players JJ was bringing in were JUCOs, you would complain that all he can get are JUCOs and not HSers

C) If all he brought in were transfers, you would complain that he can't recruit HSers or JUCOs; in other words, whatever he did or didn't do you would gripe about

D) The 3 incoming guards may be unknown to you, but Irmo Essien is a 3* who scored than 1500 points in HS. Jadin Johnson is also a 3*. Stines, from Baltimore, is a 2*. Now I admit I don't put much stock in this star system once you get past the 5s and 4s, but the incoming kids are not "unknown."

E) FWIW, I'm not happy with where the program is and it won't bother me a bit if ODU changes coaches. I just don't think that's going to happen without a revised evaluation of where athletics stands in the university hierarchy, and I'm betting the new prez has much bigger fish to fry before getting down to firing coaches -- in any sport.

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If JJ get's a 3 star, then he is really not that good. Other coaches talk about JJ deficits and nobody with any superior talent would come hear.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
What coaches are they and what do they say? Please be specific so we all can share in what you know. Thank you.

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(02-03-2021 09:32 PM)bench jockey Wrote:  What coaches are they and what do they say? Please be specific so we all can share in what you know. Thank you.

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Language in public (fans) to player's. Game has changed since JJ'S time. Health and the fact he does not play freshmen
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Again, be specific about which coaches have said what. You did not answer my very politely asked question. You said earlier you wanted a conversation and you've said here coaches have trashed recruits regarding Jones. Who are you talking about? Not fans talking ****.

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(02-04-2021 09:13 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  Again, be specific about which coaches have said what. You did not answer my very politely asked question. You said earlier you wanted a conversation and you've said here coaches have trashed recruits regarding Jones. Who are you talking about? Not fans talking ****.

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All coaches use anything they can say to destroy coaches they are recruiting against.

I am only guessing because JJ spent 18 years at American with no offers (except Wood in JJ last year 10-18) Health/stress. lost ability to recruit today's players and shows very little in getting new recruits, in an arena that lead the league in attendance. Also vocal language to a player after one mistake, in from of the fans. I seen many coaches don't get mad and run around crazy, like he does. Finally not playing freshmen (or is that a sign players don't want to come here if other coaches tell you will not play your first year at ODU). COACHES GET BE EVIL WHEN RECRUITING
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(02-05-2021 06:20 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 09:13 AM)bench jockey Wrote:  Again, be specific about which coaches have said what. You did not answer my very politely asked question. You said earlier you wanted a conversation and you've said here coaches have trashed recruits regarding Jones. Who are you talking about? Not fans talking ****.

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All coaches use anything they can say to destroy coaches they are recruiting against.

I am only guessing because JJ spent 18 years at American with no offers (except Wood in JJ last year 10-18) Health/stress. lost ability to recruit today's players and shows very little in getting new recruits, in an arena that lead the league in attendance. Also vocal language to a player after one mistake, in from of the fans. I seen many coaches don't get mad and run around crazy, like he does. Finally not playing freshmen (or is that a sign players don't want to come here if other coaches tell you will not play your first year at ODU). COACHES GET BE EVIL WHEN RECRUITING

Coaches get be evil when recruiting, so true.
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Did you mean can be evil? What does get be evil mean?
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(02-05-2021 08:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Did you mean can be evil? What does get be evil mean?

Who are you asking?
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(02-05-2021 10:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 08:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Did you mean can be evil? What does get be evil mean?

Who are you asking?

Please, Drunkard, phrase your question so we all can understand it:

VBMonarch, who be get asking?
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(02-06-2021 07:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 10:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 08:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Did you mean can be evil? What does get be evil mean?

Who are you asking?

Please, Drunkard, phrase your question so we all can understand it:

VBMonarch, who be get asking?

Lets take the word evil out. Most coaches find (in thier minds) why a player should go with them, in lieu of ODU. I have already mention my thoughts. These other coaches could find many negatives to seal a recruit. The recruiting game has pasted JJ, unless they get transfers or juco's. A great transfer is not coming to ODU. On a nothing subject, we beat UVA when Blaine was here. Until JJ leaves, UVA and VT won't play us.
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(02-06-2021 07:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 10:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 08:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Did you mean can be evil? What does get be evil mean?

Who are you asking?

Please, Drunkard, phrase your question so we all can understand it:

VBMonarch, who be get asking?

I just get be wondering if VB missed that I was directly quoting Bluelight.
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(02-06-2021 09:37 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-06-2021 07:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 10:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 08:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Did you mean can be evil? What does get be evil mean?

Who are you asking?

Please, Drunkard, phrase your question so we all can understand it:

VBMonarch, who be get asking?

I just get be wondering if VB missed that I was directly quoting Bluelight.

I LOVE this THRED. I be LiKe really actual LEARN whAt that COACH OVER THER thinks about JJ. It's so true. THAT coach,I've hear he talks so bad BAD THINGS. Never see like this when I look usual around at all that's before me. Look to wind to leran about recruiting. Ours not so good I'm hearing from experrts . ThaK you so MUCH ! Very information hear.
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RE: Jumping to Conclusions Mat — ODU BBall Recruiting Edition
(02-06-2021 10:17 AM)mac Wrote:  
(02-06-2021 09:37 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-06-2021 07:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 10:38 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 08:12 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Did you mean can be evil? What does get be evil mean?

Who are you asking?

Please, Drunkard, phrase your question so we all can understand it:

VBMonarch, who be get asking?

I just get be wondering if VB missed that I was directly quoting Bluelight.

I LOVE this THRED. I be LiKe really actual LEARN whAt that COACH OVER THER thinks about JJ. It's so true. THAT coach,I've hear he talks so bad BAD THINGS. Never see like this when I look usual around at all that's before me. Look to wind to leran about recruiting. Ours not so good I'm hearing from experrts . ThaK you so MUCH ! Very information hear.

Haha. This thread is embarrassing to the entire fan base. Hell it’s embarrassing to the university. Just say “I hate JJ and he can’t recruit!” Let’s move on. It’s one thing if you are 11 years old... but my god. Painful.
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