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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-23-2021 04:47 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 03:38 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(01-21-2021 08:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-21-2021 08:53 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Every single team has transfers these days. Over 1000 players transferred last year, more than three per team. It’s just the way it is now.


If we are going to be an exceptional top tier mid major again, we will have to be exceptional and not just like everyone else.

So I take it Gonzaga is not a top tier mid major because they take transfers just like everyone else. Get a grip.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/j...%20Clarke.

JJ could never get high quality transfers, just like his array of 2 star freshmen, who always never are good enough to play right away.

Quit embarrassing yourself.

Trey Freeman
Jon Arledge
Randy Haynes
Trey Porter
B stith x 2
M Long is probably going to be good.

I’m honestly not a JJ fan but at least I’m not delusional. John Wooden wouldn’t save this program at this point. I’m honestly surprised we aren’t even worse. We aren’t going to sign top high school talent. We literally don’t even have a rivalry game. This conference has ruined every decent bball program that’s in it. You think ODU has it bad? La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UAB. All were once good bball programs. 1 NCAA appearance between those 4 schools since joining. Just embarrassing. Every bball program in this conference is an afterthought and has gotten worse. It’s a complete disaster. ODU used to have 5 in state conference rivals. Now they have zero. We have much bigger problems than the coach. But yeah none of that effects recruiting at all....

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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-23-2021 12:36 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:50 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:44 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  I had a convo with a former player. I was complaining about almost all our 3 pt shooters get worse rather than better. He simply said, “tough coach to play for and very tough when you get zero positive reinforcement”. That is word for word what he said. That was the turning point for me supporting JJ and wanting a change.

Interesting comment. I wonder how that compares to BT? I know Blaine was pretty tough and had terrible language. Yet I know most of his players loved him and knew he would do anything for them.

I don't think Blaine acted like a crazy man (pulled a player out if he made a mistake (except Greene), and used vocal foul language to his player's in front of crowds. Little personality and bad temper. I know other coaches, use this in recruiting players. We seem to always come in second or less.

Exactly...very hard for a talented player and shooter to know you will get called out infront of everyone and taken out of the game for 1 bad shot selection. Happens all the time !
01-24-2021 10:54 AM
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-24-2021 10:54 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:36 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:50 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:44 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  I had a convo with a former player. I was complaining about almost all our 3 pt shooters get worse rather than better. He simply said, “tough coach to play for and very tough when you get zero positive reinforcement”. That is word for word what he said. That was the turning point for me supporting JJ and wanting a change.

Interesting comment. I wonder how that compares to BT? I know Blaine was pretty tough and had terrible language. Yet I know most of his players loved him and knew he would do anything for them.

I don't think Blaine acted like a crazy man (pulled a player out if he made a mistake (except Greene), and used vocal foul language to his player's in front of crowds. Little personality and bad temper. I know other coaches, use this in recruiting players. We seem to always come in second or less.

Exactly...very hard for a talented player and shooter to know you will get called out infront of everyone and taken out of the game for 1 bad shot selection. Happens all the time !


Maybe our issue is we are recruiting players that are soft if this is really a concern from them (something I have not heard).
01-24-2021 10:57 AM
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-23-2021 01:03 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:36 PM)bluelight Wrote:  I don't think Blaine acted like a crazy man (pulled a player out if he made a mistake (except Greene), and used vocal foul language to his player's in front of crowds.

No, he did much worse. He showed up to games, practices and his coaches show drunk.

Lets look at all his years, as a head coach. Not the just the last year. Are you saying Wood hired Blaine, when he knew he should be in aa?
01-24-2021 12:35 PM
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-23-2021 02:30 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:36 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:50 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:44 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  I had a convo with a former player. I was complaining about almost all our 3 pt shooters get worse rather than better. He simply said, “tough coach to play for and very tough when you get zero positive reinforcement”. That is word for word what he said. That was the turning point for me supporting JJ and wanting a change.

Interesting comment. I wonder how that compares to BT? I know Blaine was pretty tough and had terrible language. Yet I know most of his players loved him and knew he would do anything for them.

I don't think Blaine acted like a crazy man (pulled a player out if he made a mistake (except Greene), and used vocal foul language to his player's in front of crowds. Little personality and bad temper. I know other coaches, use this in recruiting players. We seem to always come in second or less.

The criticism that I remember of pre-sauced Blaine was incomprehensible in-game substitutions. Someone would get a hot hand, and the next thing you know he was riding the pine. He also got a lot of criticism for his loyalty to favorite players who were struggling - - Darius James and M. Delancey come to mind.

But I do agree that, at least in the personality department, BT had it all over JJ. And I also suspect that carries over, at least to some extent, to coach-player relations.

7 years with a coach whose level of play will not get any better, it's time for new blood. ODU ONLY FIRES COACHS LIKE YOUNG AND TAYLOR WHEN THEY FIND A REASON OR PRESSURE. IF ODU BASKETBALL COACHES ABILTIY WERE SUB PAR, IT'S OK TO KEPT THEM FOR EVER. LONG TIME FANS, ARE GETTING RESTLESS!
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-23-2021 03:35 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 02:30 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:36 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:50 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:44 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  I had a convo with a former player. I was complaining about almost all our 3 pt shooters get worse rather than better. He simply said, “tough coach to play for and very tough when you get zero positive reinforcement”. That is word for word what he said. That was the turning point for me supporting JJ and wanting a change.

Interesting comment. I wonder how that compares to BT? I know Blaine was pretty tough and had terrible language. Yet I know most of his players loved him and knew he would do anything for them.

I don't think Blaine acted like a crazy man (pulled a player out if he made a mistake (except Greene), and used vocal foul language to his player's in front of crowds. Little personality and bad temper. I know other coaches, use this in recruiting players. We seem to always come in second or less.

The criticism that I remember of pre-sauced Blaine was incomprehensible in-game substitutions. Someone would get a hot hand, and the next thing you know he was riding the pine. He also got a lot of criticism for his loyalty to favorite players who were struggling - - Darius James and M. Delancey come to mind.

But I do agree that, at least in the personality department, BT had it all over JJ. And I also suspect that carries over, at least to some extent, to coach-player relations.

Sounds just like Jeff while Green has been struggling for over a year.

JJ HAS A NAK FOR PLAYING FAVORS (WITH MISTAKES) THAN DEVELOPING FRESHMEN. UNLESS HE FEELS THEY NEED MORE EXPERIENCE. IN THAT CASE HE SHOULD REDSHIRT THEM, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM ON THE BENCH, ALL YEAR AS CHEERLEADERS.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-23-2021 04:47 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 03:38 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(01-21-2021 08:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(01-21-2021 08:53 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Every single team has transfers these days. Over 1000 players transferred last year, more than three per team. It’s just the way it is now.


If we are going to be an exceptional top tier mid major again, we will have to be exceptional and not just like everyone else.

So I take it Gonzaga is not a top tier mid major because they take transfers just like everyone else. Get a grip.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/j...%20Clarke.

JJ could never get high quality transfers, just like his array of 2 star freshmen, who always never are good enough to play right away.

Quit embarrassing yourself.

Trey Freeman
Jon Arledge
Randy Haynes
Trey Porter
B stith x 2
M Long is probably going to be good.

I’m honestly not a JJ fan but at least I’m not delusional. John Wooden wouldn’t save this program at this point. I’m honestly surprised we aren’t even worse. We aren’t going to sign top high school talent. We literally don’t even have a rivalry game. This conference has ruined every decent bball program that’s in it. You think ODU has it bad? La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UAB. All were once good bball programs. 1 NCAA appearance between those 4 schools since joining. Just embarrassing. Every bball program in this conference is an afterthought and has gotten worse. It’s a complete disaster. ODU used to have 5 in state conference rivals. Now they have zero. We have much bigger problems than the coach. But yeah none of that effects recruiting at all....

JJ can recruit decent retreads, he just can't recruit incoming freshmen ready to play. CAN RECRUIT
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-24-2021 10:54 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:36 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:50 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 04:44 PM)ODU True Blue Wrote:  I had a convo with a former player. I was complaining about almost all our 3 pt shooters get worse rather than better. He simply said, “tough coach to play for and very tough when you get zero positive reinforcement”. That is word for word what he said. That was the turning point for me supporting JJ and wanting a change.

Interesting comment. I wonder how that compares to BT? I know Blaine was pretty tough and had terrible language. Yet I know most of his players loved him and knew he would do anything for them.

I don't think Blaine acted like a crazy man (pulled a player out if he made a mistake (except Greene), and used vocal foul language to his player's in front of crowds. Little personality and bad temper. I know other coaches, use this in recruiting players. We seem to always come in second or less.

Exactly...very hard for a talented player and shooter to know you will get called out infront of everyone and taken out of the game for 1 bad shot selection. Happens all the time !

ESPECIALLY WITH JJ, WHO, FROM WATCHING 7 YEARS I CAN PREDICT BEFORE HE DOES IT.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-24-2021 12:54 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 04:47 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 03:38 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(01-21-2021 08:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  If we are going to be an exceptional top tier mid major again, we will have to be exceptional and not just like everyone else.

So I take it Gonzaga is not a top tier mid major because they take transfers just like everyone else. Get a grip.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/j...%20Clarke.

JJ could never get high quality transfers, just like his array of 2 star freshmen, who always never are good enough to play right away.

Quit embarrassing yourself.

Trey Freeman
Jon Arledge
Randy Haynes
Trey Porter
B stith x 2
M Long is probably going to be good.

I’m honestly not a JJ fan but at least I’m not delusional. John Wooden wouldn’t save this program at this point. I’m honestly surprised we aren’t even worse. We aren’t going to sign top high school talent. We literally don’t even have a rivalry game. This conference has ruined every decent bball program that’s in it. You think ODU has it bad? La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UAB. All were once good bball programs. 1 NCAA appearance between those 4 schools since joining. Just embarrassing. Every bball program in this conference is an afterthought and has gotten worse. It’s a complete disaster. ODU used to have 5 in state conference rivals. Now they have zero. We have much bigger problems than the coach. But yeah none of that effects recruiting at all....

JJ can recruit decent retreads, he just can't recruit incoming freshmen ready to play. CAN RECRUIT

Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-25-2021 06:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-24-2021 12:54 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 04:47 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-22-2021 03:38 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  So I take it Gonzaga is not a top tier mid major because they take transfers just like everyone else. Get a grip.

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2020/j...%20Clarke.

JJ could never get high quality transfers, just like his array of 2 star freshmen, who always never are good enough to play right away.

Quit embarrassing yourself.

Trey Freeman
Jon Arledge
Randy Haynes
Trey Porter
B stith x 2
M Long is probably going to be good.

I’m honestly not a JJ fan but at least I’m not delusional. John Wooden wouldn’t save this program at this point. I’m honestly surprised we aren’t even worse. We aren’t going to sign top high school talent. We literally don’t even have a rivalry game. This conference has ruined every decent bball program that’s in it. You think ODU has it bad? La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UAB. All were once good bball programs. 1 NCAA appearance between those 4 schools since joining. Just embarrassing. Every bball program in this conference is an afterthought and has gotten worse. It’s a complete disaster. ODU used to have 5 in state conference rivals. Now they have zero. We have much bigger problems than the coach. But yeah none of that effects recruiting at all....

JJ can recruit decent retreads, he just can't recruit incoming freshmen ready to play. CAN RECRUIT

Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?

For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-26-2021 04:36 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 06:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-24-2021 12:54 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 04:47 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  JJ could never get high quality transfers, just like his array of 2 star freshmen, who always never are good enough to play right away.

Quit embarrassing yourself.

Trey Freeman
Jon Arledge
Randy Haynes
Trey Porter
B stith x 2
M Long is probably going to be good.

I’m honestly not a JJ fan but at least I’m not delusional. John Wooden wouldn’t save this program at this point. I’m honestly surprised we aren’t even worse. We aren’t going to sign top high school talent. We literally don’t even have a rivalry game. This conference has ruined every decent bball program that’s in it. You think ODU has it bad? La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UAB. All were once good bball programs. 1 NCAA appearance between those 4 schools since joining. Just embarrassing. Every bball program in this conference is an afterthought and has gotten worse. It’s a complete disaster. ODU used to have 5 in state conference rivals. Now they have zero. We have much bigger problems than the coach. But yeah none of that effects recruiting at all....

JJ can recruit decent retreads, he just can't recruit incoming freshmen ready to play. CAN RECRUIT

Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?

For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

This wouldn't be an issue if there weren't guys who aren't very good getting regular minutes every season while freshmen rot on the bench getting zero minutes outside of garbage time. I find it hard to believe that Shanu and O'Connell are so bad that they cannot be allowed to take the court EVER during a meaningful minute of any game without our team taking a massive hit, when the guys who are actually getting minutes are not particularly good.

You mentioned that the game has changed. Yes it has, but not in a fashion that leads one to keep freshmen on the bench. With all the transfers, you need to get kids up to speed faster, and you need to make sure that you keep them engaged or they will leave. It is almost rare that a kid is going to stick at one school for 4 years these days. If you spend one of those years sitting them on the bench, and another year playing them sparingly because they are getting their first game action when they are sophomores, there is a damn good chance that you are going to lose that kid to another school before you get any productivity out of them.

This team is not good. It would be wise to approach this season trying to win every game, but also keeping an eye on the future. What is best for this program right now is to have young players play early so that they can gain the valuable experience that will hopefully lead to better teams in the coming years. We aren't gaining anything by having a senior who is unproductive play 35 minutes, when there are freshmen who could really gain from taking a few of those minutes each game.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-26-2021 04:36 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 06:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-24-2021 12:54 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 04:47 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 12:28 PM)bluelight Wrote:  JJ could never get high quality transfers, just like his array of 2 star freshmen, who always never are good enough to play right away.

Quit embarrassing yourself.

Trey Freeman
Jon Arledge
Randy Haynes
Trey Porter
B stith x 2
M Long is probably going to be good.

I’m honestly not a JJ fan but at least I’m not delusional. John Wooden wouldn’t save this program at this point. I’m honestly surprised we aren’t even worse. We aren’t going to sign top high school talent. We literally don’t even have a rivalry game. This conference has ruined every decent bball program that’s in it. You think ODU has it bad? La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UAB. All were once good bball programs. 1 NCAA appearance between those 4 schools since joining. Just embarrassing. Every bball program in this conference is an afterthought and has gotten worse. It’s a complete disaster. ODU used to have 5 in state conference rivals. Now they have zero. We have much bigger problems than the coach. But yeah none of that effects recruiting at all....

JJ can recruit decent retreads, he just can't recruit incoming freshmen ready to play. CAN RECRUIT

Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?

For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-26-2021 08:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 04:36 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 06:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-24-2021 12:54 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-23-2021 04:47 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Quit embarrassing yourself.

Trey Freeman
Jon Arledge
Randy Haynes
Trey Porter
B stith x 2
M Long is probably going to be good.

I’m honestly not a JJ fan but at least I’m not delusional. John Wooden wouldn’t save this program at this point. I’m honestly surprised we aren’t even worse. We aren’t going to sign top high school talent. We literally don’t even have a rivalry game. This conference has ruined every decent bball program that’s in it. You think ODU has it bad? La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UAB. All were once good bball programs. 1 NCAA appearance between those 4 schools since joining. Just embarrassing. Every bball program in this conference is an afterthought and has gotten worse. It’s a complete disaster. ODU used to have 5 in state conference rivals. Now they have zero. We have much bigger problems than the coach. But yeah none of that effects recruiting at all....

JJ can recruit decent retreads, he just can't recruit incoming freshmen ready to play. CAN RECRUIT

Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?

For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.

Poor choice of words, the recruitment game has changed. More one and done, more kids who will only consider offers from major programs, even if that offer means wasting a year or two of eligibility sitting on the bench before they realize they were better off accepting their offer from ODU who really wanted them. Unless we are breaking the rules or willing to take on a non qualifier in the hopes that they become eligible, I feel the days of schools like ODU getting major commits that will be powerful impact players are gone. I mean in reality, isn't that what sent BT over the edge, he was kiliing himself trying to find a whole squad of Kent Bazemores, kids who flew under the radar becasue of where they played or where they were from or when they picked up the game. Unless we are getting an offer to ACC the days of us signing complete players out of HS are gone. My opinion
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-27-2021 10:10 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
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(01-26-2021 04:36 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 06:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  
(01-24-2021 12:54 PM)bluelight Wrote:  JJ can recruit decent retreads, he just can't recruit incoming freshmen ready to play. CAN RECRUIT

Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?

For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.

Poor choice of words, the recruitment game has changed. More one and done, more kids who will only consider offers from major programs, even if that offer means wasting a year or two of eligibility sitting on the bench before they realize they were better off accepting their offer from ODU who really wanted them. Unless we are breaking the rules or willing to take on a non qualifier in the hopes that they become eligible, I feel the days of schools like ODU getting major commits that will be powerful impact players are gone. I mean in reality, isn't that what sent BT over the edge, he was kiliing himself trying to find a whole squad of Kent Bazemores, kids who flew under the radar becasue of where they played or where they were from or when they picked up the game. Unless we are getting an offer to ACC the days of us signing complete players out of HS are gone. My opinion

And yet WKU, VCU and others seem to be able to find Freshmen who can contribute.
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(01-27-2021 10:16 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:10 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 08:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 04:36 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-25-2021 06:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?

For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.

Poor choice of words, the recruitment game has changed. More one and done, more kids who will only consider offers from major programs, even if that offer means wasting a year or two of eligibility sitting on the bench before they realize they were better off accepting their offer from ODU who really wanted them. Unless we are breaking the rules or willing to take on a non qualifier in the hopes that they become eligible, I feel the days of schools like ODU getting major commits that will be powerful impact players are gone. I mean in reality, isn't that what sent BT over the edge, he was kiliing himself trying to find a whole squad of Kent Bazemores, kids who flew under the radar becasue of where they played or where they were from or when they picked up the game. Unless we are getting an offer to ACC the days of us signing complete players out of HS are gone. My opinion

And yet WKU, VCU and others seem to be able to find Freshmen who can contribute.

Well everyone here say the A-10 (VCU) is a more highly regarded conference, and that WKU breaks the rules and buys players. So I think that supports my statement, unless we get into a better conference or we decide to break the rules, we are who we are and will have to work harder to develop lesser players and hope they become stars which we have been doing since Jeff Capel was coach.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-27-2021 10:54 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:16 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:10 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 08:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(01-26-2021 04:36 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.

Poor choice of words, the recruitment game has changed. More one and done, more kids who will only consider offers from major programs, even if that offer means wasting a year or two of eligibility sitting on the bench before they realize they were better off accepting their offer from ODU who really wanted them. Unless we are breaking the rules or willing to take on a non qualifier in the hopes that they become eligible, I feel the days of schools like ODU getting major commits that will be powerful impact players are gone. I mean in reality, isn't that what sent BT over the edge, he was kiliing himself trying to find a whole squad of Kent Bazemores, kids who flew under the radar becasue of where they played or where they were from or when they picked up the game. Unless we are getting an offer to ACC the days of us signing complete players out of HS are gone. My opinion

And yet WKU, VCU and others seem to be able to find Freshmen who can contribute.

Well everyone here say the A-10 (VCU) is a more highly regarded conference, and that WKU breaks the rules and buys players. So I think that supports my statement, unless we get into a better conference or we decide to break the rules, we are who we are and will have to work harder to develop lesser players and hope they become stars which we have been doing since Jeff Capel was coach.

But this contradicts your "game has changed statement" which is that kids will not sit patiently on the bench and wait their turn. There has to be a happy medium, and I think that means you have to find some meaningful minutes, even if just a few per game, to get your young guys on the court unless the disparity between them and the player ahead of them is just so great that the team will tank when you put them on the floor. I don't think that is the case with our freshmen. The days of "earning your stripes" by rotting on the bench behind an older player who may be marginally better than you are over. You have to engage the kids immediately.

This affects recruiting as well. Do you not think there are kids out there who are looking at ODU and saying to themselves "there is no way I am going to go there, I won't even get to play". To look at this from the other extreme, teams that go too far in accommodating freshmen, take a look at Duke and Kentucky. Those coaches play freshmen at the expense of upperclassmen that probably are better players, because they understand that if they want to keep bringing the top recruits in on an annual basis they better show those recruits that they are going to be a star right away. I'll reiterate, I think that is a terrible approach, and am not advocating to go to that extent in any way, but it does show exactly how much it matters to the kids to know that they are going to play.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-26-2021 08:33 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
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(01-23-2021 04:47 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Quit embarrassing yourself.

Trey Freeman
Jon Arledge
Randy Haynes
Trey Porter
B stith x 2
M Long is probably going to be good.

I’m honestly not a JJ fan but at least I’m not delusional. John Wooden wouldn’t save this program at this point. I’m honestly surprised we aren’t even worse. We aren’t going to sign top high school talent. We literally don’t even have a rivalry game. This conference has ruined every decent bball program that’s in it. You think ODU has it bad? La Tech, WKU, Charlotte, UAB. All were once good bball programs. 1 NCAA appearance between those 4 schools since joining. Just embarrassing. Every bball program in this conference is an afterthought and has gotten worse. It’s a complete disaster. ODU used to have 5 in state conference rivals. Now they have zero. We have much bigger problems than the coach. But yeah none of that effects recruiting at all....

JJ can recruit decent retreads, he just can't recruit incoming freshmen ready to play. CAN RECRUIT

Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?

For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.

Have you seen our 3 point attempts? Half of them are set shots. Watch Green. I feel like I’m watching a version of Uncle Drew where the guys really are 70 years old. Next up, Jones will have them practicing underhand free throws.
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RE: Men's Basketball Recruiting: 2021
(01-27-2021 10:16 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(01-27-2021 10:10 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
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(01-25-2021 06:52 PM)bluelight Wrote:  Why is it that in 7 years, 99.4% of JJ's freshmen recruits, sat mostly on the bench?

For the same reason 99% of any athletes at any competitive level either don't play, or don't compete well (if it is an individual sport, i.e. tennis, golf) in their first year or several years. That goes for the transition from HS to college and from college to the pros. Everyone is gushing about Josh Allen, well it has taken three years for him to get to this level. We expect more of a junior or senior on a team becasue they have been in the system and have been working on their game for 2 or 3 years. Expecting a Freshman to come in as a complete player at our level is a farce or a once at best or twice in a hundred thing. Yes I know, Blaine did it or whom ever, but that was almost a decade ago, the game and times change. Heck, Blaine red-shirted a ton of kids just so they could spend a year learning and improving and not get beat up in games. JJ's only job is to put the 5-8 guys on the floor each night that he feels gives us the best chance to win. Unless we are all hanging out at practice daily, we have no idea what most of these kids are capable of except from his/her high school highlight reel, which might I remind, is edited to only show the good things. So unless we are going to suddenly start signing 4 and 5 star players with regularity, I am pretty sure this is what we are stuck with.

What about the game has so drastically changed over the past 10-15 years, and assuming you have an answer to that, why has that change impacted the kids so differently that they could compete as Freshmen then but not now?

Also, if the game has changed then wouldn't it stand to reason that the high school kids have changed similarly along with said change(es)? I mean, it's not like the high school kids are doing 2 hand set shots while the college kids are doing jump shots.

Poor choice of words, the recruitment game has changed. More one and done, more kids who will only consider offers from major programs, even if that offer means wasting a year or two of eligibility sitting on the bench before they realize they were better off accepting their offer from ODU who really wanted them. Unless we are breaking the rules or willing to take on a non qualifier in the hopes that they become eligible, I feel the days of schools like ODU getting major commits that will be powerful impact players are gone. I mean in reality, isn't that what sent BT over the edge, he was kiliing himself trying to find a whole squad of Kent Bazemores, kids who flew under the radar becasue of where they played or where they were from or when they picked up the game. Unless we are getting an offer to ACC the days of us signing complete players out of HS are gone. My opinion

And yet WKU, VCU and others seem to be able to find Freshmen who can contribute.

Yes times have changed in recruiting, that is why we need a young coach with new ideas and know how to convince high school players to come to ODU!
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we have 3 HS kids coming in next year; we have 2 HS kids on this year's roster. Wade, Ezipke, Reese, Hunter, Green are HSers. Do you ever check and THINK about what you post. Zero credibility here, none.
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