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Figured this thread was a good spot to post this, but this is the list of the top Ohio feeder schools to Miami. Only 4/10 or 8/20 are Greater Cincinnati schools. Last I checked 9/10 of our biggest feeder schools were all in Greater Cincinnati (the one odd was a Dayton area school). It seems like they pull in my kids from the Columbus suburbs than we do but I don’t have UC’s list in front me of to compare.

For continued growth of enrollment and UC’s brand statewide I think we should be hitting the Central Ohio suburbs more.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...g/475194/1

(02-13-2021 10:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Figured this thread was a good spot to post this, but this is the list of the top Ohio feeder schools to Miami. Only 4/10 or 8/20 are Greater Cincinnati schools. Last I checked 9/10 of our biggest feeder schools were all in Greater Cincinnati (the one odd was a Dayton area school). It seems like they pull in my kids from the Columbus suburbs than we do but I don’t have UC’s list in front me of to compare.

For continued growth of enrollment and UC’s brand statewide I think we should be hitting the Central Ohio suburbs more.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...g/475194/1

I'd push back a bit on whether we need continued enrollment growth, but absolutely agree about making a more concerted push into districts like Dublin, Worthington, Olentangy, Hilliard etc. in order to increase our applicants and selectivity.

Related - I did read that Olentangy Liberty sent 50 freshman to UC last year, so the building blocks are certainly there.

One would think there is a contingent of Columbus kids who want to go away fro college. No reason UC should not be the top in-state alternative to OSU.

(02-13-2021 11:38 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  One would think there is a contingent of Columbus kids who want to go away fro college. No reason UC should not be the top in-state alternative to OSU.

I definitely think we're getting there. Every year, the selectivity gap between UC and Miami shrinks. There will always be those kids to whom Miami is just a good fit--predominately children of alums who've been brainwashed with the "public ivy" nonsense their entire lives or future preppy business major greek members who want to go somewhere where everybody else is a preppy business major greek. Outside of those two groups, there is no reason we can't fight Miami for every kid, and if it's a kid wanting to major in a STEM discipline, there's no reason that we shouldn't be an easy choice over Miami.

(02-13-2021 10:49 AM)geef Wrote:  

(02-13-2021 10:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Figured this thread was a good spot to post this, but this is the list of the top Ohio feeder schools to Miami. Only 4/10 or 8/20 are Greater Cincinnati schools. Last I checked 9/10 of our biggest feeder schools were all in Greater Cincinnati (the one odd was a Dayton area school). It seems like they pull in my kids from the Columbus suburbs than we do but I don’t have UC’s list in front me of to compare.

For continued growth of enrollment and UC’s brand statewide I think we should be hitting the Central Ohio suburbs more.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...g/475194/1

I'd push back a bit on whether we need continued enrollment growth, but absolutely agree about making a more concerted push into districts like Dublin, Worthington, Olentangy, Hilliard etc. in order to increase our applicants and selectivity.

Related - I did read that Olentangy Liberty sent 50 freshman to UC last year, so the building blocks are certainly there.

Anecdotal but my cousin is my age (26) and she graduated from Gahanna Lincoln in Columbus and went to OU. She said that Gahanna Lincoln sends a ton of kids to UC. She visited me one time while we were both in college still and I walked her around campus and she ran into like 5+ people she knew from high school. That was just walking around on a really dead day on campus too. I can't imagine how many people she would have known had it been a time in-between classes in the Fall.

They somehow predictably and pathetically manage to jam in the "public ivy" thing, but here's an interesting article where they actually acknowledge that their acceptance rate is higher than UC's. Their freshman class profile is still better than UC's, but that will change by the end of this decade I predict. If their Chicago pipeline is closing up, then they're forced to scramble for OSU's in-state rejects. In state, we are so much better positioned for most kids, particularly STEM seeking kids. UC admins really need to take advantage of this moment to up our statewide recruitment game.

By comparison, OSU's acceptance rate is just under 50%. If we could get ours around 67%, we really drive home the fact that we are one of Ohio's two most sought after and prominent public research universities.

Miami Is Living On Fumes

EDIT: It took me a second viewing, but I do love the symbolism of the handicap sign in front of the building. They're an academic cripple sitting in their wheelchair reminiscing about their PUBLIC IVY glory that happened before their current students were even born.

https://smartasset.com/financial-advisor...21-edition

#1 with a bullet. Look at that "fun factor".

(05-01-2021 09:37 AM)dsquare Wrote:  https://smartasset.com/financial-advisor...21-edition

#1 with a bullet. Look at that "fun factor".

It's almost like people are starting to realize that paying $1.2M or $3500/month for a 2 bedroom house/apartment isn't worth it

(02-05-2021 11:15 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yeah...the fact that UC continues to see enrollment growth like this when most contemporaries are dealing with the opposite is a testament to academic leadership and the way the brand has permeated nationally with positive marketing opportunities (Football).

Quantity vs. quality. If new admissions have higher average GPAs than in prior years and score higher in SAT/ACT or other widely recognized performance metrics, then fine, If not, then ever increasing enrollments may also suggest that UC isn't particularly selective, which hurts USN&WR ratings and other perceptions of institutional reputation.

If, by contemporaries, you mean Ohio's MAC schools, then that's not good enough.
We should be trying to match Big Ten standards of selectivity.

I've been digesting this a bit lately. It's the most recent report and uses 2018 data. It's a good, rough snapshot of how AAU ready a university is.

A couple of things to point out.

First, UC's place in the listing of public only universities is misleading and not a strict "ranking." They compile it based on 9 metrics and where you fall in them against all research universities or against public only universities. We fall 26-50 in the public only category in 5 of the 9, but we don't make top 25 in any. The way they list the universities means that anyone who makes top 25 in just one metric and doesn't make top 50 in anything else is listed above us. That doesn't make any sense, but the data is valuable.

What's great is not only the metrics that we're top 50 in (total research, federal research, endowment, annual giving and post-docs) but that we are just outside the top 50 in the other 4 (National Academy members, faculty awards, total doctorates awarded and median SAT score). We're not terrible in any facet--not even median SAT score despite still being open admission not too long ago.

The public only list starts on page 27. Further down, there are multi year compilations for all schools, which show a strong, steady improvement across the board for UC. The down note is that just like it was an accurate predictor of Utah as next in, it's looking like NC State is now in that position.

https://mup.umass.edu/sites/default/file...report.pdf

(05-01-2021 10:04 AM)colohank Wrote:  Quantity vs. quality. If new admissions have higher average GPAs than in prior years and score higher in SAT/ACT or other widely recognized performance metrics, then fine, If not, then ever increasing enrollments may also suggest that UC isn't particularly selective, which hurts USN&WR ratings and other perceptions of institutional reputation.

If, by contemporaries, you mean Ohio's MAC schools, then that's not good enough.
We should be trying to match Big Ten standards of selectivity.

YESSSSS! No reason we can't get to at least bottom half B10 admission standards (IU-Iowa-MSU). We're close, and we're moving steadily in the right direction.

On the other end of the spectrum, here’s an article from last summer. The gist: we have too many public universities for the number of college eligible graduating seniors in Ohio.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clevela...utType=amp

(05-01-2021 10:33 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  On the other end of the spectrum, here’s an article from last summer. The gist: we have too many public universities for the number of college eligible graduating seniors in Ohio.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.clevela...utType=amp

Something 1985 and I have been saying for years.

(05-01-2021 09:47 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-01-2021 09:37 AM)dsquare Wrote:  https://smartasset.com/financial-advisor...21-edition

#1 with a bullet. Look at that "fun factor".

It's almost like people are starting to realize that paying $1.2M or $3500/month for a 2 bedroom house/apartment isn't worth it

I live in one of those places - 2-bedroom bungalows on my block, which is in a part of town akin to a Pleasant Ridge, sell for around $600K. Anecdotal, but when I'm engaging with 20-something Portlanders, a number are beginning to choose other places. I often hear Pittsburgh, Louisville, and Milwaukee mentioned. Hell, a good buddy who never bought here moved back to Cincy last year and couldn't be happier.

Excellent article from an OU perspective. They expect their enrollment to keep dropping, until bottoming out around 13,000 within a few years. This is down from 18,000 just a few years ago.

They also discuss how UC and OSU continue to grow, often at the expense of schools like OU.

https://woub.org/2021/04/07/ohio-univers...ect-gains/

(05-01-2021 04:14 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  Excellent article from an OU perspective. They expect their enrollment to keep dropping, until bottoming out around 13,000 within a few years. This is down from 18,000 just a few years ago.

They also discuss how UC and OSU continue to grow, often at the expense of schools like OU.

https://woub.org/2021/04/07/ohio-univers...ect-gains/

That's cute. They actually think they "compete" for students with OSU. What's interesting from a historical standpoint is that OU was all-in with Miami on stabbing OSU in the back in the 60's to force them into open admissions. UC wasn't part of the state system, so our hands were clean. I think OSU is sitting in Columbus with a big **** eating grin on their face while they warehouse kids at their branch campuses that OU would love to have.

What pisses me off about Ono so much is that we didn't have that historical bad blood with OSU, and he went out of his way to create it. We were in a perfect position to forge some kind of partnership with them to restructure the system. Then Ono and his big mouth and twitter account stepped in and started talking about "multiple flagships." Then he went around the Queen City Club circles trying to blame OSU for blackballing UC out of the AAU when we failed to get in after all his grandiose talk (hint: they didn't and his talk was relayed to Columbus pretty quickly). It was an abject failure of vision and leadership. He sacrificed a great opportunity for UC at the alter of his vanity and shallow twitter-fueled public persona.

(02-08-2021 05:30 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-06-2021 10:03 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.

Miami is irrelevant. Their alumni are scattered and have little presence in the metro area.

I think Ohio U and Dayton are both bigger competitors.

Agree about Ohio and UD. Last year I took the little ones to Summit Park in Blue Ash and it looked a UD alumnus convention was being held there. Granted it was during the time the Flyer basketball team was having a tremendous season, but I have never seen as much Miami merch in one setting. Anecdotally I work with a lot of people who either got their undergrad or postgraduate degree from Dayton.

As U of Dayton is a private, catholic university I suspect their tuition and fees are still significantly higher than UC. At least that was the case 20 years ago. Does anyone on this board know if that is still the case.

I remember when I was looking to various schools in southern Ohio Dayton had the highest tuition, Xavier was second, Ohio U was third and UC was the lowest. Since I lived in Hamilton County and liked the UC History programs the most UC was my choice.

Are we still lower in tuition than these other schools or has that changed?

(05-01-2021 09:31 PM)Rob3338 Wrote:  

(02-08-2021 05:30 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-06-2021 10:03 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-06-2021 08:48 PM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  It might just be me, but I will get good and dirty drunk in celebration when it's confirmed that UC is more selective than Miami. We're closing in fast, blew past OU a few years ago, and Miami is pretty much stagnant. OSU made them their ***** for in-state kids, and they can only scrape so many Big Ten rejects from the Chicago suburbs to keep themselves ahead of us.

Miami is irrelevant. Their alumni are scattered and have little presence in the metro area.

I think Ohio U and Dayton are both bigger competitors.

Agree about Ohio and UD. Last year I took the little ones to Summit Park in Blue Ash and it looked a UD alumnus convention was being held there. Granted it was during the time the Flyer basketball team was having a tremendous season, but I have never seen as much Miami merch in one setting. Anecdotally I work with a lot of people who either got their undergrad or postgraduate degree from Dayton.

As U of Dayton is a private, catholic university I suspect their tuition and fees are still significantly higher than UC. At least that was the case 20 years ago. Does anyone on this board know if that is still the case.

I remember when I was looking to various schools in southern Ohio Dayton had the highest tuition, Xavier was second, Ohio U was third and UC was the lowest. Since I lived in Hamilton County and liked the UC History programs the most UC was my choice.

Are we still lower in tuition than these other schools or has that changed?

This is the ODE report on student fees/cost of attendance.

https://www.ohiohighered.org/sites/defau...nal_2.xlsx

Xavier tuition is listed on their website as $42,460/year
Dayton tuition is listed on their website as $44,840/year

(05-01-2021 10:18 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Xavier tuition is listed on their website as $42,460/year
Dayton tuition is listed on their website as $44,840/year

Insanity. I can see that for an Ivy-Chicago-Stanford level school or even the next level Northwestern-Duke-Notre Dame types. To pay that to go to entirely run of the mill, mediocre colleges just so you can say you went to a private Catholic school is ridiculous.

(02-13-2021 10:49 AM)geef Wrote:  

(02-13-2021 10:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Figured this thread was a good spot to post this, but this is the list of the top Ohio feeder schools to Miami. Only 4/10 or 8/20 are Greater Cincinnati schools. Last I checked 9/10 of our biggest feeder schools were all in Greater Cincinnati (the one odd was a Dayton area school). It seems like they pull in my kids from the Columbus suburbs than we do but I don’t have UC’s list in front me of to compare.

For continued growth of enrollment and UC’s brand statewide I think we should be hitting the Central Ohio suburbs more.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/n...g/475194/1

I'd push back a bit on whether we need continued enrollment growth, but absolutely agree about making a more concerted push into districts like Dublin, Worthington, Olentangy, Hilliard etc. in order to increase our applicants and selectivity.

Related - I did read that Olentangy Liberty sent 50 freshman to UC last year, so the building blocks are certainly there.

UC had an ad panel on the football field at Thomas Worthington for years. I don't know if it still is, but they at least try.