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RE: Conf strength and the eye test
(02-04-2021 01:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
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(02-04-2021 10:51 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  KY next 3 are at home vs Tenn, Arkansas & Auburn. If they win even 2 of those 3, watch the media lovefest. Just saying.

When we don't play great we completely suck, Penny sucks and the players sucks, but IF 5-11 Kentucky is 7-12, the media will love them. You come up with these wild over the top reactions to everything. 7-12...love from the media? Seriously?

We'll mark you down as not having seen ESPN hype overrated P5 teams the last 10-15-20 college football and basketball seasons.

Different season. The media has actually gone after Cal pretty good this year.

I will give Cal credit though...

He knew before this season started that they wouldn't be very good.

He always knows if they're gonna be good or not. He's said as much to his friends. This and I think the year they wound up losing to Robert Morris. He knew then they weren't any good.
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That's what I'm saying ... It's going to come down to who the best 40 are and quad 1 wins, league /schedule strength. This " just wait, Penny's gonna come around " sheet is all well and good ... But if we don't win out or win our tournament ... Our year is over. Maybe he realizes this now judging by the '21 recruiting class ... Geared for 4 year players. But in this conference, he's gotta come out of the gate swinging AND dominate league play.
We play ECU Saturday ... With their HC Dooley and a Quad 1 win against Houston. A MUST WIN !!!
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(02-04-2021 02:20 PM)steves Wrote:  That's what I'm saying ... It's going to come down to who the best 40 are and quad 1 wins, league /schedule strength. This " just wait, Penny's gonna come around " sheet is all well and good ... But if we don't win out or win our tournament ... Our year is over. Maybe he realizes this now judging by the '21 recruiting class ... Geared for 4 year players. But in this conference, he's gotta come out of the gate swinging AND dominate league play.
We play ECU Saturday ... With their HC Dooley and a Quad 1 win against Houston. A MUST WIN !!!

When we started the conference season I would have agreed with you...

But there are going to be so many 16 win teams in the Big 10 and the ACC...

The AAC will get 2...We can lose two more and still get in...But if we lose 2 we will have fight with other AAC teams for that bid.
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(02-04-2021 02:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 02:20 PM)steves Wrote:  That's what I'm saying ... It's going to come down to who the best 40 are and quad 1 wins, league /schedule strength. This " just wait, Penny's gonna come around " sheet is all well and good ... But if we don't win out or win our tournament ... Our year is over. Maybe he realizes this now judging by the '21 recruiting class ... Geared for 4 year players. But in this conference, he's gotta come out of the gate swinging AND dominate league play.
We play ECU Saturday ... With their HC Dooley and a Quad 1 win against Houston. A MUST WIN !!!

When we started the conference season I would have agreed with you...

But there are going to be so many 16 win teams in the Big 10 and the ACC...

The AAC will get 2...We can lose two more and still get in...But if we lose 2 we will have fight with other AAC teams for that bid.

Depends who the 2 are. We lay an egg against ECU and Tulane and we ain't going anywhere unless we win the tournament.
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(02-04-2021 02:30 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 02:24 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 02:20 PM)steves Wrote:  That's what I'm saying ... It's going to come down to who the best 40 are and quad 1 wins, league /schedule strength. This " just wait, Penny's gonna come around " sheet is all well and good ... But if we don't win out or win our tournament ... Our year is over. Maybe he realizes this now judging by the '21 recruiting class ... Geared for 4 year players. But in this conference, he's gotta come out of the gate swinging AND dominate league play.
We play ECU Saturday ... With their HC Dooley and a Quad 1 win against Houston. A MUST WIN !!!

When we started the conference season I would have agreed with you...

But there are going to be so many 16 win teams in the Big 10 and the ACC...

The AAC will get 2...We can lose two more and still get in...But if we lose 2 we will have fight with other AAC teams for that bid.

Depends who the 2 are. We lay an egg against ECU and Tulane and we ain't going anywhere unless we win the tournament.

That makes it more difficult...But if we lose those 2 that means we won @WSU and Houston x2

But honestly if we lose @home to Tulane AND @home to ECU we don't deserve an at large.
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(02-04-2021 01:09 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
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(02-04-2021 11:16 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  But right now I would let SMU in ahead of us. We have work to do.

Why?

Probably something something Pastner something Tubby something PENNY BAD something...

not picking sides here, but that's funny

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(02-04-2021 01:10 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 12:36 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
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(02-04-2021 10:51 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  KY next 3 are at home vs Tenn, Arkansas & Auburn. If they win even 2 of those 3, watch the media lovefest. Just saying.

When we don't play great we completely suck, Penny sucks and the players sucks, but IF 5-11 Kentucky is 7-12, the media will love them. You come up with these wild over the top reactions to everything. 7-12...love from the media? Seriously?

We'll mark you down as not having seen ESPN hype overrated P5 teams the last 10-15-20 college football and basketball seasons.

Different season. The media has actually gone after Cal pretty good this year.

Not Jimmy Dykes. It hurts him to see Cal lose. He constantly puts down the players. I wrote him off when he say in Memphis we play for street agents when Cal was the coach and we were beating Georgetown.
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(02-04-2021 10:17 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Not Jimmy Dykes.

Aside from Vitale, he is probably the worst color guy on TV. Him and his stupid "jet"
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(02-04-2021 10:09 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 09:47 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  I don't know... Kentucky is currently 5-11. There is NO WAY they would get into the tournament unless they win the SEC tournament.

There's no way that the coaches at LSU or Arizona should be coaching right now either.

Or Kansas
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(02-04-2021 10:14 AM)mairving Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 09:44 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Get ready to hear those talked about to no end for the next month. Kentucky, Duke, and Michigan State should be nowhere close to the tournament, but the "experts" will start up the excuses of how tough the SEC, ACC, and B10 are as well as how good those teams look losing every game.

Andy Katz in his bracket has:

Big 10 (9 teams): Michigan (1), Illinois (2), Iowa (2), Ohio State (3), Wisconsin (5), Purdue (6), Minnesota (7), Rutgers (8), Indiana (9)
Big 12 (7 teams): Baylor (1), Texas (2), Oklahoma (3), West Virginia (4), Kansas (5), Texas Tech (6), Oklahoma State (7)
SEC (5 teams): Alabama (3), Tennessee (4), Missouri (4), Florida (6), LSU (11)
ACC (8 teams): Virginia (3), Florida State (4), Virginia Tech (7), Louisville (8), North Carolina (9), Duke (10), Georgia Tech (10), Clemson (11)
Big East (4 teams): Villanova (1), Creighton (5), Xavier (7), UConn (9)
AAC (1 team): Houston (2)
WCC (3 teams): Gonzaga (1), Boise State (9), BYU (10)
PAC 12 (4 teams): UCLA (4), USC (5), Oregon (8), Stanford (11)
MW (1 team): San Diego State (11)
A10 (1 team): St. Bonaventure (10)

The rest are smaller conference champions.

Boise is in the MWC not WCC....on that note, imagine what a western wing of Boise, BYU, and SDSU or Army/Gonzaga combo would do for football and basketball in the AAC
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Look at UConn

Big East (4 teams): Villanova (1), Creighton (5), Xavier (7), UConn (9)
AAC (1 team): Houston (2)
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(02-04-2021 12:36 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 12:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 10:51 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  KY next 3 are at home vs Tenn, Arkansas & Auburn. If they win even 2 of those 3, watch the media lovefest. Just saying.

When we don't play great we completely suck, Penny sucks and the players sucks, but IF 5-11 Kentucky is 7-12, the media will love them. You come up with these wild over the top reactions to everything. 7-12...love from the media? Seriously?

We'll mark you down as not having seen ESPN hype overrated P5 teams the last 10-15-20 college football and basketball seasons.

I'm marking you down as the only human being on the planet that thinks that 7-12 Kentucky will be loved by the media, as a tournament team.
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(02-04-2021 02:10 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 01:54 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 01:10 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 12:36 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 12:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When we don't play great we completely suck, Penny sucks and the players sucks, but IF 5-11 Kentucky is 7-12, the media will love them. You come up with these wild over the top reactions to everything. 7-12...love from the media? Seriously?

We'll mark you down as not having seen ESPN hype overrated P5 teams the last 10-15-20 college football and basketball seasons.

Different season. The media has actually gone after Cal pretty good this year.

I will give Cal credit though...

He knew before this season started that they wouldn't be very good.

He always knows if they're gonna be good or not. He's said as much to his friends. This and I think the year they wound up losing to Robert Morris. He knew then they weren't any good.

I know for a fact that he thought we would challenge for the title in 2002, when Wagner came on board.
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and Cal was right....we won the title that year
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(02-04-2021 01:18 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
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(02-04-2021 11:16 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  But right now I would let SMU in ahead of us. We have work to do.

Why?

Probably something something Pastner something Tubby something PENNY BAD something...

First they are ranked ahead of us in all metrics outside of Kenpom...

They have less losses

4-3 in quad 1/2 games vs. our 3-5

Only 1 bad loss Vs. our 3

But hey...Don't look anything up...Just react.

Right now we would have to argue that we didn't have Deandre to clearly win this argument.

What?

When you posted that, SMU was only ahead of us in one single metric - the NET. We were ahead in KenPom, BPI, and Sagarin.
Today, we are ahead of SMU in NET, KenPom, Sagarin, and BPI. I see literally no ranking service where they are ahead.

Also, we have only 1 bad loss. Tulsa at home was a Quad3 loss. Our other 5 losses were Q1 and Q2.

Overall record? Come on, that is never a criteria.

Yet you tell ME to look it up?
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(02-04-2021 10:09 AM)Rufus T. Firefly Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 09:47 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  I don't know... Kentucky is currently 5-11. There is NO WAY they would get into the tournament unless they win the SEC tournament.

There's no way that the coaches at LSU or Arizona should be coaching right now either.

Why did the Federal investigation stop where it did? It seems like they had an almost endless amount of doors that could be opened. It was the NY DA, I wonder if the folks down the street from him at Columbia Broadcasting persuaded him to stop.
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(02-05-2021 01:27 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  and Cal was right....we won the title that year

Not your worst work...
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(02-05-2021 01:27 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  and Cal was right....we won the title that year

Cal called it a national championship and he's right. Just not THE national championship.
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(02-05-2021 09:29 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(02-05-2021 01:27 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  and Cal was right....we won the title that year

Cal called it a national championship and he's right. Just not THE national championship.


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(02-05-2021 06:27 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 01:18 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 01:09 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 12:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-04-2021 11:16 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  But right now I would let SMU in ahead of us. We have work to do.

Why?

Probably something something Pastner something Tubby something PENNY BAD something...

First they are ranked ahead of us in all metrics outside of Kenpom...

They have less losses

4-3 in quad 1/2 games vs. our 3-5

Only 1 bad loss Vs. our 3

But hey...Don't look anything up...Just react.

Right now we would have to argue that we didn't have Deandre to clearly win this argument.

What?

When you posted that, SMU was only ahead of us in one single metric - the NET. We were ahead in KenPom, BPI, and Sagarin.
Today, we are ahead of SMU in NET, KenPom, Sagarin, and BPI. I see literally no ranking service where they are ahead.

Also, we have only 1 bad loss. Tulsa at home was a Quad3 loss. Our other 5 losses were Q1 and Q2.

Overall record? Come on, that is never a criteria.

Yet you tell ME to look it up?
First off wasn't talking to you...Talking to the person who posted the snark.

My opinion is they are ahead of us right now and we have work to do. I don't think it is an invalid argument at all. We still have work to do.

It is ok for you to have a differing opinion...
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