(02-05-2021 08:03 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  This whole thread got moving when it was posted what Parker does. How many of those things do they "really" have to do from scratch? They have bank of candidates already--they've done background checks on many of them already, etc.
You cannot tell me that they are going to uncover the third assistant at Sacramento St as the viable candidate unless that said person has relayed some interest in an opening.

BINGO!!
A well-connected AD using knowledgeable references could / should come across a quality candidate that may not be involved with Parker. Search firms are a business that tries to connect people with openings. And that means they are literally working with those candidates who are using them for advancement. So who is the search firm going to recommend, a candidate that has a relationship with the firm, or an individual who has no connection or dealings with that firm.
It comes down to the AD and his local committee choosing someone from a pool created by the search firm. Ideally if the AD and local committee can put together the pool, all that money spent on a search firm can now be used to someone enhance the program.

(02-04-2021 08:38 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  NIU is getting a great deal for $60K to $90K.

Tennessee will pay Parker Executive Search a total of $240K ($120K apiece) for its searches that led to the hires of AD White and FB HC Heupel. UT also owes UCF a total of $6M in buyout fees for White and Heupel.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/co...392046001/

Did Danny White work here under Phillips or Jiff?

(02-05-2021 02:00 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 08:38 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  NIU is getting a great deal for $60K to $90K.

Tennessee will pay Parker Executive Search a total of $240K ($120K apiece) for its searches that led to the hires of AD White and FB HC Heupel. UT also owes UCF a total of $6M in buyout fees for White and Heupel.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/co...392046001/

Did Danny White work here under Phillips or Jiff?

Yes

I simply do not understand this "well connected AD" stuff. I mean, for one I'm not going to act like Frazier is a well-connected AD or a competent one.

But, the pool of potential hires for a school like NIU should be extremely long. This isn't Kansas or North Carolina or any of the destination locations. For those jobs (and some others I'm not listing) the obvious candidates are...well...obvious.

But the further down the pecking order you go, the list gets much broader. While Frazier, probably has a list of candidates (I'm assuming he didn't just fire Montgomery on a whim with no previous thought about what to do next) but to expect him to know everyone who might be qualified and/or interested is ridiculous.

There's been some suggestions on this thread that are a step above posting the job on Craigslist and wait for the qualified candidates to apply to Frazier should know the entire staff of every D-1 and D-II program (along with the high school over in Merrillville...) in the country to the point that he should have a comprehensive go to list of perfect candidates.

That's impossible but that is exactly what firms like Parker provide. When ADs of mid-major programs are stuck with their own network and inexperienced alumni who desperately want the job is the exact circumstance that leads to people bitching about how Wofford or Nichols or UMBC or Montana State hired some great young coach who is doing wonders and NIU is once again, languishing in mediocrity because the new hire wasn't the best guy out there.

Why anyone wouldn't want Frazier to have the ultimate list to pick through is beyond me. It's almost like people want him to purposefully handcuff himself so you can continue to ***** about it because, God forbid he actually find a good coach.

The only question should be whether or not Parker is actually the best firm to work with.

(02-05-2021 12:39 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(02-05-2021 08:03 AM)Milwaukee Pilot Wrote:  This whole thread got moving when it was posted what Parker does. How many of those things do they "really" have to do from scratch? They have bank of candidates already--they've done background checks on many of them already, etc.
You cannot tell me that they are going to uncover the third assistant at Sacramento St as the viable candidate unless that said person has relayed some interest in an opening.

BINGO!!
A well-connected AD using knowledgeable references could / should come across a quality candidate that may not be involved with Parker. Search firms are a business that tries to connect people with openings. And that means they are literally working with those candidates who are using them for advancement. So who is the search firm going to recommend, a candidate that has a relationship with the firm, or an individual who has no connection or dealings with that firm.
It comes down to the AD and his local committee choosing someone from a pool created by the search firm. Ideally if the AD and local committee can put together the pool, all that money spent on a search firm can now be used to someone enhance the program.

Exactly.

(02-05-2021 02:50 PM)Big Red Wrote:  I simply do not understand this "well connected AD" stuff. I mean, for one I'm not going to act like Frazier is a well-connected AD or a competent one.

But, the pool of potential hires for a school like NIU should be extremely long. This isn't Kansas or North Carolina or any of the destination locations. For those jobs (and some others I'm not listing) the obvious candidates are...well...obvious.

But the further down the pecking order you go, the list gets much broader. While Frazier, probably has a list of candidates (I'm assuming he didn't just fire Montgomery on a whim with no previous thought about what to do next) but to expect him to know everyone who might be qualified and/or interested is ridiculous.

There's been some suggestions on this thread that are a step above posting the job on Craigslist and wait for the qualified candidates to apply to Frazier should know the entire staff of every D-1 and D-II program (along with the high school over in Merrillville...) in the country to the point that he should have a comprehensive go to list of perfect candidates.

That's impossible but that is exactly what firms like Parker provide. When ADs of mid-major programs are stuck with their own network and inexperienced alumni who desperately want the job is the exact circumstance that leads to people bitching about how Wofford or Nichols or UMBC or Montana State hired some great young coach who is doing wonders and NIU is once again, languishing in mediocrity because the new hire wasn't the best guy out there.

Why anyone wouldn't want Frazier to have the ultimate list to pick through is beyond me. It's almost like people want him to purposefully handcuff himself so you can continue to ***** about it because, God forbid he actually find a good coach.

The only question should be whether or not Parker is actually the best firm to work with.

No one has said we don't want the best choice. What is being questioned is the value added by such a search firm given NIU's situation. COntrary to what you say, North Carolina, or Kansas, etc. ... they have much more to lose with the wrong choice, and much more to work with in terms of resources. They can invest in a search firm, if fo no other reason than for the AD to cover his/ her butt with fans to say, "well, this was the best guy available according to the high prices search firm." That's all you really get. And my point is, we don't need that. We are not going to land Roy Williams or even Bruce Weber. The guy we need and who will fit in best is a young, incredibly enthusiastic hard worker who will run through brick walls, is personable with fans, donors, the community, and yeah, players. Interview 100 guys if you need to to find that guy, wherever he is. He is likely NOT on the bench at a Power 5 team. But there is no substitute for YOU, STF, doing the hard work necessary to find that guy. Otherwise, hire a grad assistant. Save the Search Firm money, save a lot on salary, and build a nest egg with that money for 3 years down the line using it to get a "name" coach.

Or, as I said before, put that money into game day atmosphere, recruiting FANS, etc.

But I don't really care what you do, just do it within the context of a well thought out strategic long term plan, NOT a follow the herd mentality of hiring and paying a search firm.

So, STF, tell me that is what you are doing and show me how this all fits into the master plan for basketball or NIU athletics, and there we go. We are set.

Or don't tell me (us) that, and then accept the critique and questions.

You mean that they don't post a job description on Careerbuilder?

Big Red is always such a voice of reason. Any forum like this would be well served to strive to contribute such thoughtful, positive, well informed posts. Unfortunately he is in a minority amongst the whiners and know it alls.

(02-05-2021 06:45 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  Big Red is always such a voice of reason. Any forum like this would be well served to strive to contribute such thoughtful, positive, well informed posts. Unfortunately he is in a minority amongst the whiners and know it alls.

Unfortunately, huskie77, you are in the majority.

A big part of problem is finances. NIU has very little money to spend on head coach and assistant coaches. Someone c ok ming in would want his guys but if we can't afford his guys, they won't come here

Any airplanes flying into DeKalb Municipal Airport?

(02-05-2021 02:38 PM)Doggone Wrote:  

(02-05-2021 02:00 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(02-04-2021 08:38 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  NIU is getting a great deal for $60K to $90K.

Tennessee will pay Parker Executive Search a total of $240K ($120K apiece) for its searches that led to the hires of AD White and FB HC Heupel. UT also owes UCF a total of $6M in buyout fees for White and Heupel.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/sports/co...392046001/

Did Danny White work here under Phillips or Jiff?

Yes

Good thing we let him get away, so we could get STF.

Consider the last two hires ... Ricardo Patton and Mark Montgomery ... both of whom had pretty solid résumés coming in. Patton failed and was let go ... Strike one. Montgomery failed and was let go ... Strike Two. And now here comes the third chance ... STF cannot afford to whiff on this one. He needs all the help he can get. (**)

When MM's departure was announced, the board lit up with replacement suggestions. Maybe 1/100th of who's potentially out there. That's a lot of untapped possibilities.

Big Red and Huskie77 got it right. There are no guarantees, but let's see the Huskies go for the highest % chance of success we can get. If NIU stikes out for a third straight time, we all strike out. I for one can't contemplate being a fan through another 4-5 years of futility.

(**) Note. RP was not an STF hire. That was Phillips, I think.

(02-06-2021 01:16 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  Consider the last two hires ... Ricardo Patton and Mark Montgomery ... both of whom had pretty solid résumés coming in. Patton failed and was let go ... Strike one. Montgomery failed and was let go ... Strike Two. And now here comes the third chance ... STF cannot afford to whiff on this one. He needs all the help he can get.

When MM's departure was announced, the board lit up with replacement suggestions. Maybe 1/100th of who's potentially out there. That's a lot of untapped possibilities.

Big Red and Huskie77 got it right. There are no guarantees, but let's see the Huskies go for the highest % chance of success we can get. If NIU stikes out for a third straight time, we all strike out. I for one can't contemplate being a fan through another 4-5 years of futility.

I'm sure you're not implying that AD Sean Frazier hired Patton and Montgomery.

Ricardo Patton 2007 - 2011
Mark Montgomery 2011 - 2021
Sean Frazier 2013 - present

Basketball has been mediocre at best for much longer than the last two coaches. Rob Judson and Brian Hammel weren't exactly great. Jim Molinari before them was the only recent coach with a winning record.

Before Moilinari was Rosborough. McDougal preceded Rosborough whose record wasn't spectacular although he could win some big time games.

(02-06-2021 01:37 PM)HUSKIEFOOTBALLFAN Wrote:  

(02-06-2021 01:16 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  Consider the last two hires ... Ricardo Patton and Mark Montgomery ... both of whom had pretty solid résumés coming in. Patton failed and was let go ... Strike one. Montgomery failed and was let go ... Strike Two. And now here comes the third chance ... STF cannot afford to whiff on this one. He needs all the help he can get.

When MM's departure was announced, the board lit up with replacement suggestions. Maybe 1/100th of who's potentially out there. That's a lot of untapped possibilities.

Big Red and Huskie77 got it right. There are no guarantees, but let's see the Huskies go for the highest % chance of success we can get. If NIU stikes out for a third straight time, we all strike out. I for one can't contemplate being a fan through another 4-5 years of futility.

I'm sure you're not implying that AD Sean Frazier hired Patton and Montgomery.

Ricardo Patton 2007 - 2011
Mark Montgomery 2011 - 2021
Sean Frazier 2013 - present

Basketball has been mediocre at best for much longer than the last two coaches. Rob Judson and Brian Hammel weren't exactly great. Jim Molinari before them was the only recent coach with a winning record.

Before Moilinari was Rosborough. McDougal preceded Rosborough whose record wasn't spectacular although he could win some big time games.

I inadvertently connected the two while trying to make the point that we've had at least two bad hires in a row where the candidates looked good coming in.

STF could make it three strikes in a row, not for himself but for MBB, with this hire. May be why he's being so cautious; search firm, etc. I'm familiar with the others but didn't want to go back that far. I became a Huskie MBB fan when Tom Jorgensen was HC (those were great! days).