(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

It depends on which schools. They did show UCA football games on tv because of their field and that they played P5 schools tough. They could give the WAC and ASun weekday tv along with the MAC for cheap. Lamar vs Dixie State after a MACtion game would work.

More money is being pumped into the Bowls and playoffs. If you create new bowls? More sponsors to the bowls and those sponsors could sponsor advertisement to the playoffs and the playoff games which means more money.

Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

It depends on which schools. They did show UCA football games on tv because of their field and that they played P5 schools tough. They could give the WAC and ASun weekday tv along with the MAC for cheap. Lamar vs Dixie State after a MACtion game would work.

More money is being pumped into the Bowls and playoffs. If you create new bowls? More sponsors to the bowls and those sponsors could sponsor advertisement to the playoffs and the playoff games which means more money.

Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

And that game was at APSU.

Now we are watching football games just to see the field? I'd rather look at a picture of the field for four hours so that I don't have to listen to the annoying espn announcers talk about some other game. That purple and gray striped field is worse than ugly. The only reason I would watch a game on that field is when the home team is getting beaten mercilessly.

(01-31-2021 08:04 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

It depends on which schools. They did show UCA football games on tv because of their field and that they played P5 schools tough. They could give the WAC and ASun weekday tv along with the MAC for cheap. Lamar vs Dixie State after a MACtion game would work.

More money is being pumped into the Bowls and playoffs. If you create new bowls? More sponsors to the bowls and those sponsors could sponsor advertisement to the playoffs and the playoff games which means more money.

Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

And that game was at APSU.

Now we are watching football games just to see the field? I'd rather look at a picture of the field for four hours so that I don't have to listen to the annoying espn announcers talk about some other game. That purple and gray striped field is worse than ugly. The only reason I would watch a game on that field is when the home team is getting beaten mercilessly.

Bobcat and AZ, I’m with ya brothers. I’d rather watch Pete Webber acrylic ball bowling reruns and curling tournaments than those teams.

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

It depends on which schools. They did show UCA football games on tv because of their field and that they played P5 schools tough. They could give the WAC and ASun weekday tv along with the MAC for cheap. Lamar vs Dixie State after a MACtion game would work.

More money is being pumped into the Bowls and playoffs. If you create new bowls? More sponsors to the bowls and those sponsors could sponsor advertisement to the playoffs and the playoff games which means more money.

Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

UCA don't get trounce big time in football to P5 schools like Texas State does. UCA came close to beating Oklahoma State.

(01-31-2021 09:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

It depends on which schools. They did show UCA football games on tv because of their field and that they played P5 schools tough. They could give the WAC and ASun weekday tv along with the MAC for cheap. Lamar vs Dixie State after a MACtion game would work.

More money is being pumped into the Bowls and playoffs. If you create new bowls? More sponsors to the bowls and those sponsors could sponsor advertisement to the playoffs and the playoff games which means more money.

Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

UCA don't get trounce big time in football to P5 schools like Texas State does. UCA came close to beating Oklahoma State.

Are you hearing anything on Arkansas Tech/Southland?

(01-31-2021 09:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

It depends on which schools. They did show UCA football games on tv because of their field and that they played P5 schools tough. They could give the WAC and ASun weekday tv along with the MAC for cheap. Lamar vs Dixie State after a MACtion game would work.

More money is being pumped into the Bowls and playoffs. If you create new bowls? More sponsors to the bowls and those sponsors could sponsor advertisement to the playoffs and the playoff games which means more money.

Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

UCA don't get trounce big time in football to P5 schools like Texas State does. UCA came close to beating Oklahoma State.

Well since you brought it up last p5 game i see for UCA was vs Kansas State lost 19-55. Ours was 21-24 vs BC. The last game i see with them vs oklahoma state they lost 32-8.

Heck they got smoked by our conference mate whom we beat this past season.

(01-31-2021 09:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

It depends on which schools. They did show UCA football games on tv because of their field and that they played P5 schools tough. They could give the WAC and ASun weekday tv along with the MAC for cheap. Lamar vs Dixie State after a MACtion game would work.

More money is being pumped into the Bowls and playoffs. If you create new bowls? More sponsors to the bowls and those sponsors could sponsor advertisement to the playoffs and the playoff games which means more money.

Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

UCA don't get trounce big time in football to P5 schools like Texas State does. UCA came close to beating Oklahoma State.

Really, you call this close? Oklahoma State (10-3) W 32-8 vs a 7-4 uca team in 2015 with their only score coming in the 3rd quarter. Then, Kansas State (8-5) W 55-19 vs a 10-2 uca playoff team in 2017.

(01-31-2021 10:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 09:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It depends on which schools. They did show UCA football games on tv because of their field and that they played P5 schools tough. They could give the WAC and ASun weekday tv along with the MAC for cheap. Lamar vs Dixie State after a MACtion game would work.

More money is being pumped into the Bowls and playoffs. If you create new bowls? More sponsors to the bowls and those sponsors could sponsor advertisement to the playoffs and the playoff games which means more money.

Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

UCA don't get trounce big time in football to P5 schools like Texas State does. UCA came close to beating Oklahoma State.

Are you hearing anything on Arkansas Tech/Southland?

NEVER

(01-31-2021 10:56 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 10:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 09:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:00 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Again, there are only so many tv slots and only so much money. These new conferences that won’t come to fruition will not displace the MAC, Sunbelt, and Poker night.

You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

UCA don't get trounce big time in football to P5 schools like Texas State does. UCA came close to beating Oklahoma State.

Are you hearing anything on Arkansas Tech/Southland?

NEVER

Never say never. I never thought that a virus from China would wind up over here, Azcats, did you??? Did you ever think that you wearing a mask to the grocery store or post office would be mandatory back in 2019???

Back in 1984, Azcats, Troy won the Division 2 championship. Did you follow Division 2 football back then?? Did you ever think that Troy would one day be in the same football division as Alabama and Auburn???

(01-29-2021 07:37 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  More clashes. Let me be more specific.

Alabama: North Ala., Jack. St. put a small drain on UAB,Troy, S. Ala.

Texas: The Texas FOUR likewise on UNT,UTSA,Tex. St.,UTEP.

Arkansas: UCA maybe a very small drain on ARK. St., more on Little Rock even though they don't have FB

Kentucky: EKU puts a small drain on WKU

What drain? Enrollment,publicity, perception, recruits, money. These may be small but in some cases could be significant especially in the next 3-6 years. These schools are determined to be noticed and more relevant. If they are aggressive and win over a few rich donors or gain more state political clout they will grow. What do current G5's do? They have limited remedies but now have more competition.

This does have some advantages.

-More FBS schools which are outside of the P5. A larger collective voice on the future structure of the playoff. This to me combined with the rising number of independence should increase the access points for everyone involved.

-The formation of a low-major tier in FBS. The argument is there the AAC is more of a major conference while the MWC/MAC/CUSA/SBC are more mid major. Another layer of schools in the ASun/WAC might be interpreted to be low major.

The blow ups into the Top 25 at Liberty and Coastal had a lot more to do with those regions not having any G5 representation in previous years. I'm not sure its automatic the ASun/WAC move ups will reach parity in recruiting with the MWC/SBC/CUSA. In fact what might happen is they rack up a lot of losses and become a low major type FBS conference.

Any of these school move up and viewership will go up because a betting line will come with the FBS label.

UCA v Lamar will be of as much interest as Marshall v ULM to the causal fan. No one wanted to watch Coastal, Liberty, App or GaSo just a few years ago.

(02-01-2021 10:22 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Any of these school move up and viewership will go up because a betting line will come with the FBS label.

UCA v Lamar will be of as much interest as Marshall v ULM to the causal fan. No one wanted to watch Coastal, Liberty, App or GaSo just a few years ago.

^ FALSE

(02-01-2021 10:22 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Any of these school move up and viewership will go up because a betting line will come with the FBS label.

UCA v Lamar will be of as much interest as Marshall v ULM to the causal fan. No one wanted to watch Coastal, Liberty, App or GaSo just a few years ago.

Aren't there betting lines for FCS games anyways? I know I made money off of that aforementioned UCA and Austin Peay game.

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

The scenario that you presented doesn't seem like an argument that this *won't* happen. Instead, it actually seems to support the idea that it *will* eventually happen (where the P5 finally get to the political/financial incentive to break off once and for all). To be clear, I'm not an Armageddon-type predictor regarding college sports realignment and I believe that there's a massive amount of inertia within the system that naturally prevents large scale change, but as a general matter, if the P5 like it, then they'll probably allow it.

Separately, is the mothership ESPN network going to televise Lamar vs. Tumbleweed State? Very likely not.

However, could there be enough demand from ESPN+, Peacock and other streaming services where they'll pay for content from lower level conferences? Heck, that's actually happening already.

Add in an 8-team playoff where there's a slot reserved for the top G5 champ and those games would have *some* value (even if they're not Ohio State vs. Michigan). I wouldn't underestimate the increasing demand from streaming services (who generally can't get the P5 on-board with streaming-only packages in more than a cursory way as of yet).

(02-01-2021 12:05 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 04:07 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  There is only so much g5 cfp money to go around. If these conferences are allowed to move up, you are going to witness a supernova happen. The system is going to get absolutely blown up which is what the P5 wants. One major league... and a huge minor league.. and schools and conferences will be left to fend for themselves.

That is why I don’t think it’ll happen. They might move up, but ESPN isn’t going to televise Lamar vs tumbleweed state.

The scenario that you presented doesn't seem like an argument that this *won't* happen. Instead, it actually seems to support the idea that it *will* eventually happen (where the P5 finally get to the political/financial incentive to break off once and for all). To be clear, I'm not an Armageddon-type predictor regarding college sports realignment and I believe that there's a massive amount of inertia within the system that naturally prevents large scale change, but as a general matter, if the P5 like it, then they'll probably allow it.

Separately, is the mothership ESPN network going to televise Lamar vs. Tumbleweed State? Very likely not.

However, could there be enough demand from ESPN+, Peacock and other streaming services where they'll pay for content from lower level conferences? Heck, that's actually happening already.

Add in an 8-team playoff where there's a slot reserved for the top G5 champ and those games would have *some* value (even if they're not Ohio State vs. Michigan). I wouldn't underestimate the increasing demand from streaming services (who generally can't get the P5 on-board with streaming-only packages in more than a cursory way as of yet).

I dont think "demand from ESPN+" is really a thing. Its more like if your school has an ESPN contract and is capable of producing and streaming it then you get events on espn+

(02-01-2021 10:35 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:22 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Any of these school move up and viewership will go up because a betting line will come with the FBS label.

UCA v Lamar will be of as much interest as Marshall v ULM to the causal fan. No one wanted to watch Coastal, Liberty, App or GaSo just a few years ago.

Aren't there betting lines for FCS games anyways? I know I made money off of that aforementioned UCA and Austin Peay game.

At a casino or from a friend?
You may can get a line but you would have to ask for one.

(02-01-2021 01:19 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:35 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:22 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Any of these school move up and viewership will go up because a betting line will come with the FBS label.

UCA v Lamar will be of as much interest as Marshall v ULM to the causal fan. No one wanted to watch Coastal, Liberty, App or GaSo just a few years ago.

Aren't there betting lines for FCS games anyways? I know I made money off of that aforementioned UCA and Austin Peay game.

At a casino or from a friend?
You may can get a line but you would have to ask for one.

Off of a well known betting site.

(02-01-2021 10:29 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:22 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Any of these school move up and viewership will go up because a betting line will come with the FBS label.

UCA v Lamar will be of as much interest as Marshall v ULM to the causal fan. No one wanted to watch Coastal, Liberty, App or GaSo just a few years ago.

^ FALSE

Not FALSE, no one except fans of those schools or conference mates care about any of the bottom schools unless they have bet on the game. Casual fans only care about the big boys of college football. They will watch anyone v anyone at the bar or home maybe if the big boys arent playing.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

(02-01-2021 01:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:29 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:22 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Any of these school move up and viewership will go up because a betting line will come with the FBS label.

UCA v Lamar will be of as much interest as Marshall v ULM to the causal fan. No one wanted to watch Coastal, Liberty, App or GaSo just a few years ago.

^ FALSE

Not FALSE, no one except fans of those schools or conference mates care about any of the bottom schools unless they have bet on the game. Casual fans only care about the big boys of college football. They will watch anyone v anyone at the bar or home maybe if the big boys arent playing.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

I definitely agree. Maybe casual fans dont care about the outcome but there's something to be said for casuals who happen to catch a few plays and the like. Purely anecdotal but I had quite a few people tell me they happened to see TXST on TV this past season.

(02-01-2021 03:45 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 10:56 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 10:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 09:34 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 07:17 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  You know thats just usual unsubstantiated David street bs. Viewership is declining. Besides I dont think I've ever seen UCA on tv except for the FCS kickoff game this year between them and Austin Peay. It was definitely NOT because of that field lol

UCA don't get trounce big time in football to P5 schools like Texas State does. UCA came close to beating Oklahoma State.

Are you hearing anything on Arkansas Tech/Southland?

NEVER

Never say never. I never thought that a virus from China would wind up over here, Azcats, did you??? Did you ever think that you wearing a mask to the grocery store or post office would be mandatory back in 2019???

Back in 1984, Azcats, Troy won the Division 2 championship. Did you follow Division 2 football back then?? Did you ever think that Troy would one day be in the same football division as Alabama and Auburn???

In 1983, I played a football game at West Alabama and of course I had no idea at the time that a little over a decade later we would leave the NAIA and games against UWA would become conference games. Two weeks after that game I played against a little known freshman at East Central by the name of Todd Graham who is now a well known coach at Hawai'i. Some of my great-grandparents were born at a time when we traveled by horse or train and lived to see us walk on the moon; so, yes times change. But sometimes, if you have the right knowledge, you can say something with certainty. This is one of those rare times that I can say "never".