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(02-24-2021 02:57 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  
(02-24-2021 11:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Are there any other realistic football schools the OVC could add outside of WIU? Even D2 looks pretty bare.

Robert Morris just joined the Horizon and would really stretch the footprint so I don't consider them realistic.

Perhaps if by some miracle they could convince Youngstown State to join in, the two could be packaged together, but that's a very big stretch.

Maybe Lindenwood, Arkansas Tech, UAH, or North Georgia? I dunno their interest level or if one of them is destined for the ASUN. Tennessee, Kentucky, and Illinois are pretty picked over. University of Indianapolis (private school, not IUPUI) could be interesting as a non-football school.

Alabama-Huntsville and North Georgia are non-football. Indianapolis is not interested. Lindenwood has been a full D2 member only since 2013, yes that was also the year California Baptist became a full D2 member but Lindenwood has 27 sports (most in D2) including football compared to CBU's 18 sports and no football. And we at Arkansas Tech have no desire for D1.
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Stu, OVC would not be as Tenn. heavy with WIU. You would have:

--WIU
--EIU
--SIU-e
--SEMO (close-by)

AND... a possible future addition of close-by D2 USI (univ. of southern indiana).
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Anyone else find it ironic that most of the OVC is actually in the Tennessee River Valley or that not a single MVC school is in the Missouri River watershed?
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Its almost stupid why Indy isn't D1 smh
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(02-24-2021 04:20 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Its almost stupid why Indy isn't D1 smh

I think it has something to do with the fact that football scholarships and facilities are expensive
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(02-24-2021 04:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(02-24-2021 04:20 PM)KingSean Wrote:  Its almost stupid why Indy isn't D1 smh

I think it has something to do with the fact that football scholarships and facilities are expensive

I'm sure Indy could afford it and be competitive as well
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What about WIU to OVC then NWMS to Summit
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I'd love to see North Dakota State vs Northwest Missouri State
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(02-24-2021 12:47 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(02-24-2021 10:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-24-2021 03:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If West Texas A&M's ad is correct that the large D2 public schools who are not happy with the D2 leadership and are ready to make a jump to D1? You have the large schools in Minnesota, Missouri, Kansas and Colorado that could make the jump from D2 to D1. I could see the Summit to go after the Minnesota schools and maybe Fort Hays State and Washburn in Kansas to fill in spots. Central Oklahoma and NE Oklahioma State will also fit.

Jumping to D1 for most D2 schools is an ego move only. Financially, it usually results in taking a bath.

Yeah... of these, the only one the I could see mutual benefit with, between the summit and the potential school, is Minnesota State (Mankato).

They have enrollment of over ten thousand and are a perfect geographic fit, as they are almost half way between the Twin Cities (St. Thomas) and Sioux Falls (Summit Headquarters/Basketball tourney location).

They also have a strong athletics tradition and have a shared history with pretty much all summit schools. They have a D1 basketball arena as well, and they are in a different system than the U of M.

Only issue is probably football. Mankato has a huge football tradition, and I doubt they could afford to move their highly successful football and hockey teams up to D1. I doubt the MVFC football schools would want to the extra recruiting competition in MN either. It's a great fit though.. just dont see it happening. That's the only move up that most summit schools would prob be happy with, other than maybe St. Johns (prob would be a love/hate add), but it would have to be Pioneer Football only.

If WIU and Oral Roberts left, adding Mankato and St. Johns would be huge, IMO. We would see some amazing rivalries and fan interest. Football at both schools would have to be non scholly or dropped. If non scholly, there would be a decent little pod with St. Johns, St. Thomas, Mankato, and Drake. I don't see Mankato ever going non scholly though, but could be wrong.

This isn't a prediction of what will happen - I highly doubt it does, but there would be some great synergies between all of these schools. Per capita/alumn, St. Johns probably has the best alumni support of almost any school in the country, and the St. Thomas/St. Johns rivalry would be awesome to see at the D1 level.

Mankato's hockey is already D1.
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(02-24-2021 04:18 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Anyone else find it ironic that most of the OVC is actually in the Tennessee River Valley or that not a single MVC school is in the Missouri River watershed?

Good point.

Of note: Akron and Youngstown State were members of the OVC when I was a student at Middle Tennessee State in the early 1980s.
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I’m curious what the sentiments would be in the room if you gathered the 10 OVC university presidents in a room.

Belmont is probably the loudest voice in the room and they are only concerned about basketball. If they aren’t getting what they want, they have options and they’ll dart.

WIU and USI seem like the most obvious 1-2 punch but the net gain for football is just +1 and the potential D2 call ups in the region are pretty slim.
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(02-24-2021 03:59 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(02-24-2021 02:57 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  
(02-24-2021 11:42 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Are there any other realistic football schools the OVC could add outside of WIU? Even D2 looks pretty bare.

Robert Morris just joined the Horizon and would really stretch the footprint so I don't consider them realistic.

Perhaps if by some miracle they could convince Youngstown State to join in, the two could be packaged together, but that's a very big stretch.

Maybe Lindenwood, Arkansas Tech, UAH, or North Georgia? I dunno their interest level or if one of them is destined for the ASUN. Tennessee, Kentucky, and Illinois are pretty picked over. University of Indianapolis (private school, not IUPUI) could be interesting as a non-football school.

Alabama-Huntsville and North Georgia are non-football. Indianapolis is not interested. Lindenwood has been a full D2 member only since 2013, yes that was also the year California Baptist became a full D2 member but Lindenwood has 27 sports (most in D2) including football compared to CBU's 18 sports and no football. And we at Arkansas Tech have no desire for D1.

Good catch, I didn’t do my homework, I just looked for the big schools in the region. I’m surprised that Georgia’s military college isn’t a football school. UAH, I should’ve caught that. Nobody else in Arkansas Tech’s conference is a flight risk, so if they don’t want out, nothing should force their hand.
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The "latest gossip" is that Austin Peay and West Florida will be invited to join the ASUN.

I am not sure if that is to be believed but certainly West Florida makes sense with their old GSC contemporaries and being in a east division with Kennesaw State, Liberty, Jacksonville, North Florida, Stetson and Florida Gulf Coast is probably to their liking for non-football sports.

For Austin Peay, the alignment with Jacksonville State, North Alabama, Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas, Lipscomb and Bellarmine is pretty ideal for their setup. Several old OVC rivals.

ASUN football would be Kennesaw, Jacksonville State, Austin Peay, West Florida, North Alabama, Eastern Kentucky and Central Arkansas. Not a bad league at all!
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OVC better grab Western Illinois soon. The question still is-- What other choice do they have? None IMO.
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TT - The Big South has looked at West Florida periodically over the past decade and came t the conclusion that they aren't close to DI ready. I totally get the Austin Peay invitation but WFU makes no sense.

PS Since you are the only Sam poster I know let me pass along belated congrats on football. Several of the Sam coaches and administrators live in my neighborhood. But they haven't seemed to have gotten their due props.
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(07-06-2021 03:55 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  OVC better grab Western Illinois soon. The question still is-- What other choice do they have? None IMO.

No particular rush. Where's WIU going to go?
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(07-06-2021 04:22 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  TT - The Big South has looked at West Florida periodically over the past decade and came t the conclusion that they aren't close to DI ready. I totally get the Austin Peay invitation but WFU makes no sense.

That was probably true when the Big South looked at them but UWF has grown to the point they should be close to ready now. Their athletic budget is higher than UNA and Bellarmine.
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I think the OVC situation is more complicated than some of us might think.

One opinion that matters disproportionately to others is Belmont. They are the bread winner when it comes to tournament credits. They are also well positioned to go elsewhere if they find the OVC not to their liking. Belmont doesn’t look at the the loss of Jacksonville St and EKU as a potentially destabilizing move. They see it as a 20% increase in their share in conference revenue and dropping two of their longer in-conference road trips.

Desire to not upset Belmont is likely contributing to the lack of action.

You also have Moorehead St, who doesn’t play OVC football, uninterested in adding members unless it directly benefits them. Tenn St, who sees fewer conference football games as an opportunity to load up on financially lucrative HBCU Classics, happy with the status quo.

I don’t know if expansion requires a 2/3rds or 3/4ths vote, but 3 no votes would either kill or close to kill any expansion talk.
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^^^^^^

OVC doesn't have to expand.

They have 10 all sports, 7 Football

No need to panic, or add schools that don't add value.
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(07-06-2021 07:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ^^^^^^

OVC doesn't have to expand.

They have 10 all sports, 7 Football

No need to panic, or add schools that don't add value.

Men’s tennis is under the AQ mark and football would be at six (the minimum) if Austin Peay were to leave. Not an ideal situation for football to be at six particularly a relatively cash strapped league. Ask the Southland which is playing a round robin and a half in football
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