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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 03:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
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(01-29-2021 02:36 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  FWIW, which may not be much, the poster from the VCU board has a pretty solid reputation for insider information. He broke news of VCU in-season tournaments five years in advance, which I didn't think was possible. Even if he has no connections with ODU or Charlotte, if he has ins at VCU then it's certainly possible that people there have talked. College sports folks, be they the AD, coaches or SID, love to talk.

Timing seems odd. Why would it take two and a half seasons for ODU and Charlotte to disentangle from CUSA and join the A-10? We had two major conference expansions announced this month that go live in July. The UConn-AAC divorce didn't take as long. CUSA pivoted pretty quickly when ODU bowed out of football this season, so I don't think adjusting scheduling from 14 to 12 is the hangup. The only thing I can think is that the A-10 knows that schools (Fordham and LaSalle down? Dayton and St. Louis up?) are leaving and that's the expected timeline for those changes. But the A-10 played with 16 teams for one season and sent five teams to the NCAAs, so they can do it if they so desire.

Going indy for 2021 and 2022 for football would be brutal for Charlotte and ODU. 2023 and 2024 would be tough enough.

Going from conference to conference is a lot easier than going from conference to indy

2021 would be too quick, but UConn managed a respectable schedule in its first year of independence. With a core of independents developing, it'll be easier for ODU and Charlotte to fill out a schedule. I doubt this would happen but if ODU and Charlotte gave notice to CUSA now, they would have a good shot at a full 2022 indy schedule.

Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 03:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:36 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  FWIW, which may not be much, the poster from the VCU board has a pretty solid reputation for insider information. He broke news of VCU in-season tournaments five years in advance, which I didn't think was possible. Even if he has no connections with ODU or Charlotte, if he has ins at VCU then it's certainly possible that people there have talked. College sports folks, be they the AD, coaches or SID, love to talk.

Timing seems odd. Why would it take two and a half seasons for ODU and Charlotte to disentangle from CUSA and join the A-10? We had two major conference expansions announced this month that go live in July. The UConn-AAC divorce didn't take as long. CUSA pivoted pretty quickly when ODU bowed out of football this season, so I don't think adjusting scheduling from 14 to 12 is the hangup. The only thing I can think is that the A-10 knows that schools (Fordham and LaSalle down? Dayton and St. Louis up?) are leaving and that's the expected timeline for those changes. But the A-10 played with 16 teams for one season and sent five teams to the NCAAs, so they can do it if they so desire.

Going indy for 2021 and 2022 for football would be brutal for Charlotte and ODU. 2023 and 2024 would be tough enough.

Going from conference to conference is a lot easier than going from conference to indy

2021 would be too quick, but UConn managed a respectable schedule in its first year of independence. With a core of independents developing, it'll be easier for ODU and Charlotte to fill out a schedule. I doubt this would happen but if ODU and Charlotte gave notice to CUSA now, they would have a good shot at a full 2022 indy schedule.

Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.

I take conference realignment rumors like I take snow forecasts in VA. I'll believe it when I see it. But I still sometimes get excited about the prospect of snow.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 02:36 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  FWIW, which may not be much, the poster from the VCU board has a pretty solid reputation for insider information. He broke news of VCU in-season tournaments five years in advance, which I didn't think was possible. Even if he has no connections with ODU or Charlotte, if he has ins at VCU then it's certainly possible that people there have talked. College sports folks, be they the AD, coaches or SID, love to talk.

Timing seems odd. Why would it take two and a half seasons for ODU and Charlotte to disentangle from CUSA and join the A-10? We had two major conference expansions announced this month that go live in July. The UConn-AAC divorce didn't take as long. CUSA pivoted pretty quickly when ODU bowed out of football this season, so I don't think adjusting scheduling from 14 to 12 is the hangup. The only thing I can think is that the A-10 knows that schools (Fordham and LaSalle down? Dayton and St. Louis up?) are leaving and that's the expected timeline for those changes. But the A-10 played with 16 teams for one season and sent five teams to the NCAAs, so they can do it if they so desire.

There have been talk on D2 board that covid issue, and the lost of money from less enrollment, and lost of revenue from sports that some schools might downgrade to D2. LaSalle might be one of them. Right now. everything is possible that what the covid is causing to make shakeups in conferences.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 03:42 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  We heard gnashing of teeth from everyone prior to my alma mater Liberty getting our waiver. But truthfully scheduling was actually much easier than most folks predicted. With less Indies to schedule, we had a couple of years of home-and-homes with NMSU. But otherwise it worked out nicely in relatively short order.

The fear of Indy scheduling is much greater than the reality based on the increased number of scheduling options.

Liberty opened a huge roll of cash. They paid a bunch of schools to play and took two for ones so that ACC and others would not have to pay them for hosting. Few schools have that bankroll.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 03:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:36 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  FWIW, which may not be much, the poster from the VCU board has a pretty solid reputation for insider information. He broke news of VCU in-season tournaments five years in advance, which I didn't think was possible. Even if he has no connections with ODU or Charlotte, if he has ins at VCU then it's certainly possible that people there have talked. College sports folks, be they the AD, coaches or SID, love to talk.

Timing seems odd. Why would it take two and a half seasons for ODU and Charlotte to disentangle from CUSA and join the A-10? We had two major conference expansions announced this month that go live in July. The UConn-AAC divorce didn't take as long. CUSA pivoted pretty quickly when ODU bowed out of football this season, so I don't think adjusting scheduling from 14 to 12 is the hangup. The only thing I can think is that the A-10 knows that schools (Fordham and LaSalle down? Dayton and St. Louis up?) are leaving and that's the expected timeline for those changes. But the A-10 played with 16 teams for one season and sent five teams to the NCAAs, so they can do it if they so desire.

Going indy for 2021 and 2022 for football would be brutal for Charlotte and ODU. 2023 and 2024 would be tough enough.

Going from conference to conference is a lot easier than going from conference to indy

2021 would be too quick, but UConn managed a respectable schedule in its first year of independence. With a core of independents developing, it'll be easier for ODU and Charlotte to fill out a schedule. I doubt this would happen but if ODU and Charlotte gave notice to CUSA now, they would have a good shot at a full 2022 indy schedule.

Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.

I think there's one issue with two prongs that they, or any other school that would make such a move, must consider:

1a) Are the media deal and effective possibility of an NY6 berth enough to make them stay? Right now, it seems like if you're not in the AAC or MWC, you probably have to run the table and have some things break your way to get that bid. Coastal Carolina went undefeated with two wins against ranked opponents and couldn't get it. Maybe that changes, but it's hard to imagine the other G5 conferences closing the gap with the AAC other than during an outlier season. If they concede that they're probably playing for lower-tier bowls no matter their conference affiliation, and the combination of travel savings and possible better attendance with a less far-flung schedule might be worth it, especially if you think you can get NCAA bids in basketball.
1b) What if the AAC calls? Just like UConn moving to the Big East signaled the likely end of their P5 aspirations, a team moving to the A-10/indy football are probably taking themselves out of AAC consideration (or at least making it harder to make themselves available if the time comes). A-10 almost certainly isn't interested in a fling. If they're in, they have to be all in.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 04:27 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:36 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  FWIW, which may not be much, the poster from the VCU board has a pretty solid reputation for insider information. He broke news of VCU in-season tournaments five years in advance, which I didn't think was possible. Even if he has no connections with ODU or Charlotte, if he has ins at VCU then it's certainly possible that people there have talked. College sports folks, be they the AD, coaches or SID, love to talk.

Timing seems odd. Why would it take two and a half seasons for ODU and Charlotte to disentangle from CUSA and join the A-10? We had two major conference expansions announced this month that go live in July. The UConn-AAC divorce didn't take as long. CUSA pivoted pretty quickly when ODU bowed out of football this season, so I don't think adjusting scheduling from 14 to 12 is the hangup. The only thing I can think is that the A-10 knows that schools (Fordham and LaSalle down? Dayton and St. Louis up?) are leaving and that's the expected timeline for those changes. But the A-10 played with 16 teams for one season and sent five teams to the NCAAs, so they can do it if they so desire.

Going indy for 2021 and 2022 for football would be brutal for Charlotte and ODU. 2023 and 2024 would be tough enough.

Going from conference to conference is a lot easier than going from conference to indy

2021 would be too quick, but UConn managed a respectable schedule in its first year of independence. With a core of independents developing, it'll be easier for ODU and Charlotte to fill out a schedule. I doubt this would happen but if ODU and Charlotte gave notice to CUSA now, they would have a good shot at a full 2022 indy schedule.

Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.

I think there's one issue with two prongs that they, or any other school that would make such a move, must consider:

1a) Are the media deal and effective possibility of an NY6 berth enough to make them stay? Right now, it seems like if you're not in the AAC or MWC, you probably have to run the table and have some things break your way to get that bid. Coastal Carolina went undefeated with two wins against ranked opponents and couldn't get it. Maybe that changes, but it's hard to imagine the other G5 conferences closing the gap with the AAC other than during an outlier season. If they concede that they're probably playing for lower-tier bowls no matter their conference affiliation, and the combination of travel savings and possible better attendance with a less far-flung schedule might be worth it, especially if you think you can get NCAA bids in basketball.
1b) What if the AAC calls? Just like UConn moving to the Big East signaled the likely end of their P5 aspirations, a team moving to the A-10/indy football are probably taking themselves out of AAC consideration (or at least making it harder to make themselves available if the time comes). A-10 almost certainly isn't interested in a fling. If they're in, they have to be all in.

UMASS is in the A10, and they are still up there as an expansion candidate for the AAC.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 04:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 04:27 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Going indy for 2021 and 2022 for football would be brutal for Charlotte and ODU. 2023 and 2024 would be tough enough.

Going from conference to conference is a lot easier than going from conference to indy

2021 would be too quick, but UConn managed a respectable schedule in its first year of independence. With a core of independents developing, it'll be easier for ODU and Charlotte to fill out a schedule. I doubt this would happen but if ODU and Charlotte gave notice to CUSA now, they would have a good shot at a full 2022 indy schedule.

Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.

I think there's one issue with two prongs that they, or any other school that would make such a move, must consider:

1a) Are the media deal and effective possibility of an NY6 berth enough to make them stay? Right now, it seems like if you're not in the AAC or MWC, you probably have to run the table and have some things break your way to get that bid. Coastal Carolina went undefeated with two wins against ranked opponents and couldn't get it. Maybe that changes, but it's hard to imagine the other G5 conferences closing the gap with the AAC other than during an outlier season. If they concede that they're probably playing for lower-tier bowls no matter their conference affiliation, and the combination of travel savings and possible better attendance with a less far-flung schedule might be worth it, especially if you think you can get NCAA bids in basketball.
1b) What if the AAC calls? Just like UConn moving to the Big East signaled the likely end of their P5 aspirations, a team moving to the A-10/indy football are probably taking themselves out of AAC consideration (or at least making it harder to make themselves available if the time comes). A-10 almost certainly isn't interested in a fling. If they're in, they have to be all in.

UMASS is in the A10, and they are still up there as an expansion candidate for the AAC.

The AAC doesn't consider UMASS a candidate lol
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Somewhat mutual at this point, with UConn leaving. The AAC is mostly a southern based conference that stretches out way to far. Yes, we have su-cked bigtime. The team is very young, but playing exposed some assistant coaches and they have been replaced.
In surprising news Boston College has agreed to move the game from Gillette to on campus.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 04:27 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:36 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  FWIW, which may not be much, the poster from the VCU board has a pretty solid reputation for insider information. He broke news of VCU in-season tournaments five years in advance, which I didn't think was possible. Even if he has no connections with ODU or Charlotte, if he has ins at VCU then it's certainly possible that people there have talked. College sports folks, be they the AD, coaches or SID, love to talk.

Timing seems odd. Why would it take two and a half seasons for ODU and Charlotte to disentangle from CUSA and join the A-10? We had two major conference expansions announced this month that go live in July. The UConn-AAC divorce didn't take as long. CUSA pivoted pretty quickly when ODU bowed out of football this season, so I don't think adjusting scheduling from 14 to 12 is the hangup. The only thing I can think is that the A-10 knows that schools (Fordham and LaSalle down? Dayton and St. Louis up?) are leaving and that's the expected timeline for those changes. But the A-10 played with 16 teams for one season and sent five teams to the NCAAs, so they can do it if they so desire.

Going indy for 2021 and 2022 for football would be brutal for Charlotte and ODU. 2023 and 2024 would be tough enough.

Going from conference to conference is a lot easier than going from conference to indy

2021 would be too quick, but UConn managed a respectable schedule in its first year of independence. With a core of independents developing, it'll be easier for ODU and Charlotte to fill out a schedule. I doubt this would happen but if ODU and Charlotte gave notice to CUSA now, they would have a good shot at a full 2022 indy schedule.

Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.

I think there's one issue with two prongs that they, or any other school that would make such a move, must consider:

1a) Are the media deal and effective possibility of an NY6 berth enough to make them stay? Right now, it seems like if you're not in the AAC or MWC, you probably have to run the table and have some things break your way to get that bid. Coastal Carolina went undefeated with two wins against ranked opponents and couldn't get it. Maybe that changes, but it's hard to imagine the other G5 conferences closing the gap with the AAC other than during an outlier season. If they concede that they're probably playing for lower-tier bowls no matter their conference affiliation, and the combination of travel savings and possible better attendance with a less far-flung schedule might be worth it, especially if you think you can get NCAA bids in basketball.
1b) What if the AAC calls? Just like UConn moving to the Big East signaled the likely end of their P5 aspirations, a team moving to the A-10/indy football are probably taking themselves out of AAC consideration (or at least making it harder to make themselves available if the time comes). A-10 almost certainly isn't interested in a fling. If they're in, they have to be all in.
Like with UConn, any talk of this move would be basketball/Olympic driven.

If CUSA would allow Charlotte and ODU to keep their football in CUSA while joining the A10, they would in a heartbeat.

If I were CUSA that might even be something I would consider. An amicable split of Olympic sports with football remaining (at a reduced payout level) could benefit everyone.
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Since this is all just bunk let's just get crazy; I've heard that UNCC and ODU might join the CAA (not CAAF). Only 10 oly members currently. ODU gets back in a conference with some Virginia schools (JMU and William and Mary). Basketball names like College of Charleston and UNCW. Little better traveling. There. Rumor started.
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(01-29-2021 05:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 04:27 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 02:48 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Going indy for 2021 and 2022 for football would be brutal for Charlotte and ODU. 2023 and 2024 would be tough enough.

Going from conference to conference is a lot easier than going from conference to indy

2021 would be too quick, but UConn managed a respectable schedule in its first year of independence. With a core of independents developing, it'll be easier for ODU and Charlotte to fill out a schedule. I doubt this would happen but if ODU and Charlotte gave notice to CUSA now, they would have a good shot at a full 2022 indy schedule.

Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.

I think there's one issue with two prongs that they, or any other school that would make such a move, must consider:

1a) Are the media deal and effective possibility of an NY6 berth enough to make them stay? Right now, it seems like if you're not in the AAC or MWC, you probably have to run the table and have some things break your way to get that bid. Coastal Carolina went undefeated with two wins against ranked opponents and couldn't get it. Maybe that changes, but it's hard to imagine the other G5 conferences closing the gap with the AAC other than during an outlier season. If they concede that they're probably playing for lower-tier bowls no matter their conference affiliation, and the combination of travel savings and possible better attendance with a less far-flung schedule might be worth it, especially if you think you can get NCAA bids in basketball.
1b) What if the AAC calls? Just like UConn moving to the Big East signaled the likely end of their P5 aspirations, a team moving to the A-10/indy football are probably taking themselves out of AAC consideration (or at least making it harder to make themselves available if the time comes). A-10 almost certainly isn't interested in a fling. If they're in, they have to be all in.
Like with UConn, any talk of this move would be basketball/Olympic driven.

If CUSA would allow Charlotte and ODU to keep their football in CUSA while joining the A10, they would in a heartbeat.

If I were CUSA that might even be something I would consider. An amicable split of Olympic sports with football remaining (at a reduced payout level) could benefit everyone.

Why would CUSA want to keep Charlotte and ODU football?
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(01-29-2021 05:18 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Since this is all just bunk let's just get crazy; I've heard that UNCC and ODU might join the CAA (not CAAF). Only 10 oly members currently. ODU gets back in a conference with some Virginia schools (JMU and William and Mary). Basketball names like College of Charleston and UNCW. Little better traveling. There. Rumor started.

Nope, Indy not worth it for any conference less than the A10. There was another rumor on our boards that the Sunbelt would be poaching a couple of teams from CUSA, possibly us and Marshall. Since we're throwing out wild ideas. jaybird was actually pretty confident in his sources but I can't see it unless it's part of a larger plan to realign geographically.
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(01-29-2021 05:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 05:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 04:27 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:39 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  2021 would be too quick, but UConn managed a respectable schedule in its first year of independence. With a core of independents developing, it'll be easier for ODU and Charlotte to fill out a schedule. I doubt this would happen but if ODU and Charlotte gave notice to CUSA now, they would have a good shot at a full 2022 indy schedule.

Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.

I think there's one issue with two prongs that they, or any other school that would make such a move, must consider:

1a) Are the media deal and effective possibility of an NY6 berth enough to make them stay? Right now, it seems like if you're not in the AAC or MWC, you probably have to run the table and have some things break your way to get that bid. Coastal Carolina went undefeated with two wins against ranked opponents and couldn't get it. Maybe that changes, but it's hard to imagine the other G5 conferences closing the gap with the AAC other than during an outlier season. If they concede that they're probably playing for lower-tier bowls no matter their conference affiliation, and the combination of travel savings and possible better attendance with a less far-flung schedule might be worth it, especially if you think you can get NCAA bids in basketball.
1b) What if the AAC calls? Just like UConn moving to the Big East signaled the likely end of their P5 aspirations, a team moving to the A-10/indy football are probably taking themselves out of AAC consideration (or at least making it harder to make themselves available if the time comes). A-10 almost certainly isn't interested in a fling. If they're in, they have to be all in.
Like with UConn, any talk of this move would be basketball/Olympic driven.

If CUSA would allow Charlotte and ODU to keep their football in CUSA while joining the A10, they would in a heartbeat.

If I were CUSA that might even be something I would consider. An amicable split of Olympic sports with football remaining (at a reduced payout level) could benefit everyone.

Why would CUSA want to keep Charlotte and ODU football?

Why not, if it helps the CUSA shrink in size and reduce travel for non revenue sports. The AAC wanted UConn basketball as they benefited from it...does CUSA benefit from Charlotte and ODU basketball and a 14 team set up?
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 05:49 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 05:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 05:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
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(01-29-2021 03:44 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Its definitely would be doable, especially now that you have other schools like UMass, UConn, and possibly even Army and Liberty that would likely be willing to move some games around if it meant getting another independent out there.

Its just a matter if ODU and Charlotte are willing to take the plunge.

It would be fun to see but Im far from sold that it will actually ever happen.

I think there's one issue with two prongs that they, or any other school that would make such a move, must consider:

1a) Are the media deal and effective possibility of an NY6 berth enough to make them stay? Right now, it seems like if you're not in the AAC or MWC, you probably have to run the table and have some things break your way to get that bid. Coastal Carolina went undefeated with two wins against ranked opponents and couldn't get it. Maybe that changes, but it's hard to imagine the other G5 conferences closing the gap with the AAC other than during an outlier season. If they concede that they're probably playing for lower-tier bowls no matter their conference affiliation, and the combination of travel savings and possible better attendance with a less far-flung schedule might be worth it, especially if you think you can get NCAA bids in basketball.
1b) What if the AAC calls? Just like UConn moving to the Big East signaled the likely end of their P5 aspirations, a team moving to the A-10/indy football are probably taking themselves out of AAC consideration (or at least making it harder to make themselves available if the time comes). A-10 almost certainly isn't interested in a fling. If they're in, they have to be all in.
Like with UConn, any talk of this move would be basketball/Olympic driven.

If CUSA would allow Charlotte and ODU to keep their football in CUSA while joining the A10, they would in a heartbeat.

If I were CUSA that might even be something I would consider. An amicable split of Olympic sports with football remaining (at a reduced payout level) could benefit everyone.

Why would CUSA want to keep Charlotte and ODU football?

Why not, if it helps the CUSA shrink in size and reduce travel for non revenue sports. The AAC wanted UConn basketball as they benefited from it...does CUSA benefit from Charlotte and ODU basketball and a 14 team set up?

The question isn’t bball “worth”, but fball “worth.” Likening this theoretical situation to the the AAC, the conference determined UCONN fball wasn’t worth a partial membership. Hard to see where ODU or Charlotte fball would be either.
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(01-29-2021 05:18 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Since this is all just bunk let's just get crazy; I've heard that UNCC and ODU might join the CAA (not CAAF). Only 10 oly members currently. ODU gets back in a conference with some Virginia schools (JMU and William and Mary). Basketball names like College of Charleston and UNCW. Little better traveling. There. Rumor started.

Thats probably more likely than ODU/Charlotte to the A-10. I don't think the A-10 is eager to bring in any more FBS members.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 06:57 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 05:49 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 05:26 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 05:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 04:27 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I think there's one issue with two prongs that they, or any other school that would make such a move, must consider:

1a) Are the media deal and effective possibility of an NY6 berth enough to make them stay? Right now, it seems like if you're not in the AAC or MWC, you probably have to run the table and have some things break your way to get that bid. Coastal Carolina went undefeated with two wins against ranked opponents and couldn't get it. Maybe that changes, but it's hard to imagine the other G5 conferences closing the gap with the AAC other than during an outlier season. If they concede that they're probably playing for lower-tier bowls no matter their conference affiliation, and the combination of travel savings and possible better attendance with a less far-flung schedule might be worth it, especially if you think you can get NCAA bids in basketball.
1b) What if the AAC calls? Just like UConn moving to the Big East signaled the likely end of their P5 aspirations, a team moving to the A-10/indy football are probably taking themselves out of AAC consideration (or at least making it harder to make themselves available if the time comes). A-10 almost certainly isn't interested in a fling. If they're in, they have to be all in.
Like with UConn, any talk of this move would be basketball/Olympic driven.

If CUSA would allow Charlotte and ODU to keep their football in CUSA while joining the A10, they would in a heartbeat.

If I were CUSA that might even be something I would consider. An amicable split of Olympic sports with football remaining (at a reduced payout level) could benefit everyone.

Why would CUSA want to keep Charlotte and ODU football?

Why not, if it helps the CUSA shrink in size and reduce travel for non revenue sports. The AAC wanted UConn basketball as they benefited from it...does CUSA benefit from Charlotte and ODU basketball and a 14 team set up?

The question isn’t bball “worth”, but fball “worth.” Likening this theoretical situation to the the AAC, the conference determined UCONN fball wasn’t worth a partial membership. Hard to see where ODU or Charlotte fball would be either.

UConn football alone wasn't worth it without UConn football
Is the same true for ODU and Charlotte?

Would the CUSA benefit if Charlotte and ODU Olympic sports found a new home?
If Charlotte and ODU told CUSA we will leave if we can keep football in CUSA, would that be a win win?
I think CUSA cutting lose malcontents and shrinking their footprint in an already bloated league would be a win win.

Of course Charlotte and ODU would have to pay for the privilege of having a football home, but to me this is different than the UConn-AAC situation.

Honestly CUSA West would benefit if CUSA east all found better regional homes and were allowed to stay as football affiliates
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As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would not want to see ODU and Charlotte depart. They bring many positives to the C-USA table.

On a related note, UMass is not in a bad place. Football independence is tough but it's likely worth it to be in the A-10.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(01-29-2021 08:26 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  As a Middle Tennessee State fan, I would not want to see ODU and Charlotte depart. They bring many positives to the C-USA table.

On a related note, UMass is not in a bad place. Football independence is tough but it's likely worth it to be in the A-10.

Bill, MTSU should be better than are. Middle TN is producing more and more FBS talent, has a large metro and is a good sized school in the middle of a college sport crazy (based on tv ratings) state. What’s the problem?
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(01-29-2021 11:56 AM)esayem Wrote:  
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(01-29-2021 10:07 AM)esayem Wrote:  What’s wrong with C-USA for ODU and UNCC? Are the programs too good and looking for more of a challenge? Bored with their utter domination of the conference on the hardwood?

Grab a map dude.


edit: And beyond just the money in travel savings we'd be rejoining old CAA rivals in VCU, GMU and Richmond. Fan interest has suffered playing schools from Texas and western teams, not that we think we're better than them we just don't care. We've built some heat with Marshall and WKU in BB and I'd miss that but we'd leave in a heartbeat for the A10.

I don’t need a map to know right now both are guaranteed a game in Florida each season, Marshall is right next door, and the travel to WKU and MTSU isn’t that difficult.

Olympic (basketball) scheduling allows for quite a few regional games, and football programs Appalachian, Coastal, Liberty, and Georgia State aren’t far away and can be scheduled now. Plus, there’s no guarantee the A10 (or the Bloated 14) would take both programs when both obviously have FBS football and AAC aspirations. The A10 is not a halfway house.

C-USA has definitely decided to plant their flag west as I understand with the tournament moving to what, Frisco? I can see why that’s a bummer, and in my opinion it should be in Birmingham or even Nashville before the SEC. The conference tourney location would definitely be the main concern I’d have if I were a UNCC fan.

Do you need a map to know that right now we have one school in our conference within 5 hours, Charlotte and of the current membership of the A10 + Charlotte there would be 8? It's actually a little over 5 to get to Philly but close enough. That's a lot of flights for our volleyball team that could be cut not to mention easily available away games for fans. Only St Louis would be further than WKU and MT and if Marshall is "right next door" then Dayton is just 2 hours further down the road. That's comparing the 2 furthest teams in the A10 to our closest conference mates in CUSA besides Charlotte.

We don't do a lot of recruiting in FL.

What's in it for the A10 is a different question but I imagine more than a few members would prefer a school that had the will and means to take basketball more seriously than Fordham. Our facilities are as good or better than most there and our attendance would likely be 3rd behind Dayton and VCU, though we crested over 8K in the CAA which would put us 2nd.

Okay Mr. Sassypants. Maybe you should ask your administration if they need a map. ODU knew what they were getting into. It seems they joined with a football-first mindset, now what? Buyer’s remorse?
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I do think ODU and Charlotte to ASUN as full members and Indy football could help get the ASUN conference to become an FBS conference down the road. ODU and Charlotte along with Liberty as anchors for a core of schools already in FBS. They can slowly invite EKU and Jacksonville State to join them as Indies while the others build up.
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