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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
Hofstra and especially Northeastern would be an attractive willing and able Private school for the A10 privates if that was important
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(02-12-2021 01:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
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(02-12-2021 11:35 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  LaSalle is in dire straits and think if ODU wanted it, it would be likely be accepted into the A10.

UMass would advocate for them, URI AD is a former UMass football player and would probably support ODU.

Regarding the other FCS football universities, Dayton, Duquesne, Fordham and Richmond not sure but don't think there would not be strong objections, which could be won over. All the DC, Virginia, and NC teams would probably be OK with the travel. The hard convincing would be St. Bonaventure, St. Joes, and St Louis.

Think the Monarch's previous NCAA success, even team members would aide to the likely (over 50%) chance of ODU replacing LaSalle.

Why would St. Joe's have a problem? Pretty easy trip for them and we have scheduled multiple H/Hs with them OOC in recent history so there is likely a good relationship. Richmond is a gimme. That is a 1 hour trip and pretty much guaranteed to replace 2 non-TV games with 2 TV games. How many do you need in the A10? Just a simple majority?

My concern would be if the small Northeast Catholic schools would balk at adding two large South-facing publics, especially if La Salle or Fordham leave. I know the A-10 isn't an exclusively private conference but the shift in geography and diversification of institution type were drivers in the Big East/AAC split.

Right now, the A10 has seven schools north of the Mason-Dixon line, five schools south, and two to the west. The private/public split is 10/4. An ODU+Charlotte add changes both significantly, even more so if a private or two leave.

The CAA lost the thread of its plot by overexpanding, which led to the heart of the conference (ODU, VCU, George Mason) leaving.

Never been aware of a vote for any new member and there have been lots. St Bonaventure is the one that would be upset, but friggin Olean in the winter. From the A10 wiki of members and does include the A10 Football. Fordham has their football in the Patriot league and when they were added, allowed to keep their football program there. They could prefer Siena but their not on the table. McGlade moved the A10 HQ from Philly to Newport News, not to New York.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(02-12-2021 02:18 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 01:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 11:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 11:35 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  LaSalle is in dire straits and think if ODU wanted it, it would be likely be accepted into the A10.

UMass would advocate for them, URI AD is a former UMass football player and would probably support ODU.

Regarding the other FCS football universities, Dayton, Duquesne, Fordham and Richmond not sure but don't think there would not be strong objections, which could be won over. All the DC, Virginia, and NC teams would probably be OK with the travel. The hard convincing would be St. Bonaventure, St. Joes, and St Louis.

Think the Monarch's previous NCAA success, even team members would aide to the likely (over 50%) chance of ODU replacing LaSalle.

Why would St. Joe's have a problem? Pretty easy trip for them and we have scheduled multiple H/Hs with them OOC in recent history so there is likely a good relationship. Richmond is a gimme. That is a 1 hour trip and pretty much guaranteed to replace 2 non-TV games with 2 TV games. How many do you need in the A10? Just a simple majority?

My concern would be if the small Northeast Catholic schools would balk at adding two large South-facing publics, especially if La Salle or Fordham leave. I know the A-10 isn't an exclusively private conference but the shift in geography and diversification of institution type were drivers in the Big East/AAC split.

Right now, the A10 has seven schools north of the Mason-Dixon line, five schools south, and two to the west. The private/public split is 10/4. An ODU+Charlotte add changes both significantly, even more so if a private or two leave.

The CAA lost the thread of its plot by overexpanding, which led to the heart of the conference (ODU, VCU, George Mason) leaving.

Overexpansion is not what led to the CAA exodus. You are way overthinking this. The public/private thing is not a thing at all. If Lasalle or Fordham leave we only need 7 votes... if both leave we may only need 6 votes depending on how they break a tie... VCU, UR, GMU, GW, Davidson are 100%. So UMass and URI or St. Joe's would be all we'd need. The UMass guy seems to think UMass and URI are locks. St. Joes is a basketball school with basketball alumni and basketball donors. They think/want to think their peer and archrival is Villanova. They are not going down with Fordham and LaSalle. What would the Catholic's alternative be for replacement? Any NE Catholic school worth a darn is already in the Big East. Lehigh and Lafayette from the Patriot league?

Adding Georgia State and the Northeast schools doubled the size of the CAA footprint without a resultant increase in revenue. VCU and George Mason had been rumored for a while to be exploring their options. ODU elevated its football to FBS way ahead of schedule because they had no confidence in the CAA's viability going forward. You think that all happened in a vacuum?

We don't know that La Salle and Fordham are leaving. Basketball fans want Fordham to leave but they've been in the conference for 20-some years and while La Salle allegedly looked at downgrading a few years ago, nothing came of it. If it looked like the A-10 was fixing to become a more-public, further-South conference, that might nudge them out the door, but for now there's a lot more schools that look like them than there are ones that look like ODU and Charlotte. Why would they support adding two more mouths to feed that have nothing in common with them? That'd be like ODU pushing for CUSA to add New Mexico State and Texas State.

Basketball is important but conferences are more than basketball and football scheduling alliances. Geography, institutional congruity and academics are big factors, because it's the school presidents that make the call.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(02-12-2021 02:47 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 02:18 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 01:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 11:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 11:35 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  LaSalle is in dire straits and think if ODU wanted it, it would be likely be accepted into the A10.

UMass would advocate for them, URI AD is a former UMass football player and would probably support ODU.

Regarding the other FCS football universities, Dayton, Duquesne, Fordham and Richmond not sure but don't think there would not be strong objections, which could be won over. All the DC, Virginia, and NC teams would probably be OK with the travel. The hard convincing would be St. Bonaventure, St. Joes, and St Louis.

Think the Monarch's previous NCAA success, even team members would aide to the likely (over 50%) chance of ODU replacing LaSalle.

Why would St. Joe's have a problem? Pretty easy trip for them and we have scheduled multiple H/Hs with them OOC in recent history so there is likely a good relationship. Richmond is a gimme. That is a 1 hour trip and pretty much guaranteed to replace 2 non-TV games with 2 TV games. How many do you need in the A10? Just a simple majority?

My concern would be if the small Northeast Catholic schools would balk at adding two large South-facing publics, especially if La Salle or Fordham leave. I know the A-10 isn't an exclusively private conference but the shift in geography and diversification of institution type were drivers in the Big East/AAC split.

Right now, the A10 has seven schools north of the Mason-Dixon line, five schools south, and two to the west. The private/public split is 10/4. An ODU+Charlotte add changes both significantly, even more so if a private or two leave.

The CAA lost the thread of its plot by overexpanding, which led to the heart of the conference (ODU, VCU, George Mason) leaving.

Overexpansion is not what led to the CAA exodus. You are way overthinking this. The public/private thing is not a thing at all. If Lasalle or Fordham leave we only need 7 votes... if both leave we may only need 6 votes depending on how they break a tie... VCU, UR, GMU, GW, Davidson are 100%. So UMass and URI or St. Joe's would be all we'd need. The UMass guy seems to think UMass and URI are locks. St. Joes is a basketball school with basketball alumni and basketball donors. They think/want to think their peer and archrival is Villanova. They are not going down with Fordham and LaSalle. What would the Catholic's alternative be for replacement? Any NE Catholic school worth a darn is already in the Big East. Lehigh and Lafayette from the Patriot league?

Adding Georgia State and the Northeast schools doubled the size of the CAA footprint without a resultant increase in revenue. VCU and George Mason had been rumored for a while to be exploring their options. ODU elevated its football to FBS way ahead of schedule because they had no confidence in the CAA's viability going forward. You think that all happened in a vacuum?

We don't know that La Salle and Fordham are leaving. Basketball fans want Fordham to leave but they've been in the conference for 20-some years and while La Salle allegedly looked at downgrading a few years ago, nothing came of it. If it looked like the A-10 was fixing to become a more-public, further-South conference, that might nudge them out the door, but for now there's a lot more schools that look like them than there are ones that look like ODU and Charlotte. Why would they support adding two more mouths to feed that have nothing in common with them? That'd be like ODU pushing for CUSA to add New Mexico State and Texas State.

Basketball is important but conferences are more than basketball and football scheduling alliances. Geography, institutional congruity and academics are big factors, because it's the school presidents that make the call.

Nah. You're contradicting yourself. VCU & GMU didn't leave the CAA for the A10 for cultural fit or because it was expanding, they left for better basketball. The A10 likewise didn't bring them, along with Davidson in for cultural fit the did it for basketball. I'm not saying the things you're mentioning aren't important. But keeping the A10 where it is in the basketball hierarchy seems to be the most important thing. ODU left the CAA because VCU & GMU were leaving and we saw an opportunity to upgrade to FBS.

I don't see the A10 expanding to 15 or 16 but it might happen as a replacement scenario.
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(02-12-2021 03:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 02:47 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 02:18 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 01:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 11:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Why would St. Joe's have a problem? Pretty easy trip for them and we have scheduled multiple H/Hs with them OOC in recent history so there is likely a good relationship. Richmond is a gimme. That is a 1 hour trip and pretty much guaranteed to replace 2 non-TV games with 2 TV games. How many do you need in the A10? Just a simple majority?

My concern would be if the small Northeast Catholic schools would balk at adding two large South-facing publics, especially if La Salle or Fordham leave. I know the A-10 isn't an exclusively private conference but the shift in geography and diversification of institution type were drivers in the Big East/AAC split.

Right now, the A10 has seven schools north of the Mason-Dixon line, five schools south, and two to the west. The private/public split is 10/4. An ODU+Charlotte add changes both significantly, even more so if a private or two leave.

The CAA lost the thread of its plot by overexpanding, which led to the heart of the conference (ODU, VCU, George Mason) leaving.

Overexpansion is not what led to the CAA exodus. You are way overthinking this. The public/private thing is not a thing at all. If Lasalle or Fordham leave we only need 7 votes... if both leave we may only need 6 votes depending on how they break a tie... VCU, UR, GMU, GW, Davidson are 100%. So UMass and URI or St. Joe's would be all we'd need. The UMass guy seems to think UMass and URI are locks. St. Joes is a basketball school with basketball alumni and basketball donors. They think/want to think their peer and archrival is Villanova. They are not going down with Fordham and LaSalle. What would the Catholic's alternative be for replacement? Any NE Catholic school worth a darn is already in the Big East. Lehigh and Lafayette from the Patriot league?

Adding Georgia State and the Northeast schools doubled the size of the CAA footprint without a resultant increase in revenue. VCU and George Mason had been rumored for a while to be exploring their options. ODU elevated its football to FBS way ahead of schedule because they had no confidence in the CAA's viability going forward. You think that all happened in a vacuum?

We don't know that La Salle and Fordham are leaving. Basketball fans want Fordham to leave but they've been in the conference for 20-some years and while La Salle allegedly looked at downgrading a few years ago, nothing came of it. If it looked like the A-10 was fixing to become a more-public, further-South conference, that might nudge them out the door, but for now there's a lot more schools that look like them than there are ones that look like ODU and Charlotte. Why would they support adding two more mouths to feed that have nothing in common with them? That'd be like ODU pushing for CUSA to add New Mexico State and Texas State.

Basketball is important but conferences are more than basketball and football scheduling alliances. Geography, institutional congruity and academics are big factors, because it's the school presidents that make the call.

Nah. You're contradicting yourself. VCU & GMU didn't leave the CAA for the A10 for cultural fit or because it was expanding, they left for better basketball. The A10 likewise didn't bring them, along with Davidson in for cultural fit the did it for basketball. I'm not saying the things you're mentioning aren't important. But keeping the A10 where it is in the basketball hierarchy seems to be the most important thing. ODU left the CAA because VCU & GMU were leaving and we saw an opportunity to upgrade to FBS.

I don't see the A10 expanding to 15 or 16 but it might happen as a replacement scenario.

The CAA was at one point in the ballpark with the A10 as far as basketball quality. They expanded up 95 and down 85, but none of those schools made the NCAAs until after the ODU/VCU/GMU troika had beat feet. The CAA didn't get better, they got bigger. The only thing the new schools added at the time were some Bruiser antics when he was at Drexel.

Per Minium's story in 2013 or 2014, when VCU's AD told ODU's AD that they were about to jump to the A10, ODU moved heaven and earth to get out. Moving football to FBS, which was only discussed in the long term, had to be expedited because there were no non-football or FCS football homes for them (not with the A-10 and Big East telling them thanks but no thanks). CUSA wasn't about to take a non-FBS ODU.

I can't prove this—it's only based on observations as a fan of two of those schools—but I suspect that if the CAA held onto their core and either stood pat or made strategically sounder expansion choices (remember, Hofstra and Northeastern were added in part for their football, which they shuttered not long after). I think those three have a better chance at sticking around and the CAA's prospects are much brighter.
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(02-12-2021 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 03:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 02:47 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 02:18 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 01:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  My concern would be if the small Northeast Catholic schools would balk at adding two large South-facing publics, especially if La Salle or Fordham leave. I know the A-10 isn't an exclusively private conference but the shift in geography and diversification of institution type were drivers in the Big East/AAC split.

Right now, the A10 has seven schools north of the Mason-Dixon line, five schools south, and two to the west. The private/public split is 10/4. An ODU+Charlotte add changes both significantly, even more so if a private or two leave.

The CAA lost the thread of its plot by overexpanding, which led to the heart of the conference (ODU, VCU, George Mason) leaving.

Overexpansion is not what led to the CAA exodus. You are way overthinking this. The public/private thing is not a thing at all. If Lasalle or Fordham leave we only need 7 votes... if both leave we may only need 6 votes depending on how they break a tie... VCU, UR, GMU, GW, Davidson are 100%. So UMass and URI or St. Joe's would be all we'd need. The UMass guy seems to think UMass and URI are locks. St. Joes is a basketball school with basketball alumni and basketball donors. They think/want to think their peer and archrival is Villanova. They are not going down with Fordham and LaSalle. What would the Catholic's alternative be for replacement? Any NE Catholic school worth a darn is already in the Big East. Lehigh and Lafayette from the Patriot league?

Adding Georgia State and the Northeast schools doubled the size of the CAA footprint without a resultant increase in revenue. VCU and George Mason had been rumored for a while to be exploring their options. ODU elevated its football to FBS way ahead of schedule because they had no confidence in the CAA's viability going forward. You think that all happened in a vacuum?

We don't know that La Salle and Fordham are leaving. Basketball fans want Fordham to leave but they've been in the conference for 20-some years and while La Salle allegedly looked at downgrading a few years ago, nothing came of it. If it looked like the A-10 was fixing to become a more-public, further-South conference, that might nudge them out the door, but for now there's a lot more schools that look like them than there are ones that look like ODU and Charlotte. Why would they support adding two more mouths to feed that have nothing in common with them? That'd be like ODU pushing for CUSA to add New Mexico State and Texas State.

Basketball is important but conferences are more than basketball and football scheduling alliances. Geography, institutional congruity and academics are big factors, because it's the school presidents that make the call.

Nah. You're contradicting yourself. VCU & GMU didn't leave the CAA for the A10 for cultural fit or because it was expanding, they left for better basketball. The A10 likewise didn't bring them, along with Davidson in for cultural fit the did it for basketball. I'm not saying the things you're mentioning aren't important. But keeping the A10 where it is in the basketball hierarchy seems to be the most important thing. ODU left the CAA because VCU & GMU were leaving and we saw an opportunity to upgrade to FBS.

I don't see the A10 expanding to 15 or 16 but it might happen as a replacement scenario.

The CAA was at one point in the ballpark with the A10 as far as basketball quality. They expanded up 95 and down 85, but none of those schools made the NCAAs until after the ODU/VCU/GMU troika had beat feet. The CAA didn't get better, they got bigger. The only thing the new schools added at the time were some Bruiser antics when he was at Drexel.

Per Minium's story in 2013 or 2014, when VCU's AD told ODU's AD that they were about to jump to the A10, ODU moved heaven and earth to get out. Moving football to FBS, which was only discussed in the long term, had to be expedited because there were no non-football or FCS football homes for them (not with the A-10 and Big East telling them thanks but no thanks). CUSA wasn't about to take a non-FBS ODU.

I can't prove this—it's only based on observations as a fan of two of those schools—but I suspect that if the CAA held onto their core and either stood pat or made strategically sounder expansion choices (remember, Hofstra and Northeastern were added in part for their football, which they shuttered not long after). I think those three have a better chance at sticking around and the CAA's prospects are much brighter.

Hofstra, Drexel, and Northeastern all had strong enough teams that helped the CAA get multiple bids at various times. Hofstra and Drexel both had at-large snubs that made Dicky V cry. Towson and Georgia State were pretty useless in the CAA and now we have fans begging to be in a conference with Georgia State. The CAA had maybe two years where it was on par with the A10, but not as a whole and remember Butler was part of the deal. The decision for VCU was a no-brainer. Your memory is failing you.
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The thing is, any period the CAA was in the ballpark of the A10 was shortlived. George Mason’s at-large in ‘06 was the league’s first in 20 years (‘86).

CAA going from Boston to Atlanta was stupid and destroyed the identity of the conference, but GMU/VCU/ODU all would’ve left with or without them.
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For the x time, LaSalle has serious viability issue going forward as a university. Fordham is NOT going anywhere!
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(02-12-2021 04:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 03:13 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 02:47 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 02:18 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Overexpansion is not what led to the CAA exodus. You are way overthinking this. The public/private thing is not a thing at all. If Lasalle or Fordham leave we only need 7 votes... if both leave we may only need 6 votes depending on how they break a tie... VCU, UR, GMU, GW, Davidson are 100%. So UMass and URI or St. Joe's would be all we'd need. The UMass guy seems to think UMass and URI are locks. St. Joes is a basketball school with basketball alumni and basketball donors. They think/want to think their peer and archrival is Villanova. They are not going down with Fordham and LaSalle. What would the Catholic's alternative be for replacement? Any NE Catholic school worth a darn is already in the Big East. Lehigh and Lafayette from the Patriot league?

Adding Georgia State and the Northeast schools doubled the size of the CAA footprint without a resultant increase in revenue. VCU and George Mason had been rumored for a while to be exploring their options. ODU elevated its football to FBS way ahead of schedule because they had no confidence in the CAA's viability going forward. You think that all happened in a vacuum?

We don't know that La Salle and Fordham are leaving. Basketball fans want Fordham to leave but they've been in the conference for 20-some years and while La Salle allegedly looked at downgrading a few years ago, nothing came of it. If it looked like the A-10 was fixing to become a more-public, further-South conference, that might nudge them out the door, but for now there's a lot more schools that look like them than there are ones that look like ODU and Charlotte. Why would they support adding two more mouths to feed that have nothing in common with them? That'd be like ODU pushing for CUSA to add New Mexico State and Texas State.

Basketball is important but conferences are more than basketball and football scheduling alliances. Geography, institutional congruity and academics are big factors, because it's the school presidents that make the call.

Nah. You're contradicting yourself. VCU & GMU didn't leave the CAA for the A10 for cultural fit or because it was expanding, they left for better basketball. The A10 likewise didn't bring them, along with Davidson in for cultural fit the did it for basketball. I'm not saying the things you're mentioning aren't important. But keeping the A10 where it is in the basketball hierarchy seems to be the most important thing. ODU left the CAA because VCU & GMU were leaving and we saw an opportunity to upgrade to FBS.

I don't see the A10 expanding to 15 or 16 but it might happen as a replacement scenario.

The CAA was at one point in the ballpark with the A10 as far as basketball quality. They expanded up 95 and down 85, but none of those schools made the NCAAs until after the ODU/VCU/GMU troika had beat feet. The CAA didn't get better, they got bigger. The only thing the new schools added at the time were some Bruiser antics when he was at Drexel.

Per Minium's story in 2013 or 2014, when VCU's AD told ODU's AD that they were about to jump to the A10, ODU moved heaven and earth to get out. Moving football to FBS, which was only discussed in the long term, had to be expedited because there were no non-football or FCS football homes for them (not with the A-10 and Big East telling them thanks but no thanks). CUSA wasn't about to take a non-FBS ODU.

I can't prove this—it's only based on observations as a fan of two of those schools—but I suspect that if the CAA held onto their core and either stood pat or made strategically sounder expansion choices (remember, Hofstra and Northeastern were added in part for their football, which they shuttered not long after). I think those three have a better chance at sticking around and the CAA's prospects are much brighter.

Hofstra, Drexel, and Northeastern all had strong enough teams that helped the CAA get multiple bids at various times. Hofstra and Drexel both had at-large snubs that made Dicky V cry. Towson and Georgia State were pretty useless in the CAA and now we have fans begging to be in a conference with Georgia State. The CAA had maybe two years where it was on par with the A10, but not as a whole and remember Butler was part of the deal. The decision for VCU was a no-brainer. Your memory is failing you.

Aslo, VCU was joining an A10 with Dayton, St Louis, Xavier, Temple, Butler, etc. There's not much arguing that that wasn't a better conference than the CAA. I think we probably could have gotten GMU's spot in the A10 if we wanted to commit to FCS football but we didn't.
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(02-12-2021 04:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  For the x time, LaSalle has serious viability issue going forward as a university. Fordham is NOT going anywhere!

We've been hearing "LaSalle's going to drop" forever though and nothing ever comes of it.
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(02-12-2021 04:32 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 04:08 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  For the x time, LaSalle has serious viability issue going forward as a university. Fordham is NOT going anywhere!

We've been hearing "LaSalle's going to drop" forever though and nothing ever comes of it.

Maybe Covid will be the straw that breaks the back. I'm not real familiar with their situation but I did see where they dropped a bunch of sports in the fall, as did a lot of schools. I don't wish LaSalle ill will but I do kinda want their spot in the A10.
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I see that LaSalle cut 7 sports including Baseball, Softball, W Volleyball, M&W Tennis, M Swimming and M Water Polo

The problem is that leaves them with only 2 men's team sports in basketball and soccer. They need a 3rd. Perhaps that might be where the threat to be bounced from the A10 is coming from.
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(02-12-2021 07:16 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I see that LaSalle cut 7 sports including Baseball, Softball, W Volleyball, M&W Tennis, M Swimming and M Water Polo

The problem is that leaves them with only 2 men's team sports in basketball and soccer. They need a 3rd. Perhaps that might be where the threat to be bounced from the A10 is coming from.

Duquesne only has basketball and soccer too
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RE: UNSUBSTANTIED CHATTER: Charlotte and ODU to A10/Indy
(02-12-2021 07:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 07:16 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I see that LaSalle cut 7 sports including Baseball, Softball, W Volleyball, M&W Tennis, M Swimming and M Water Polo

The problem is that leaves them with only 2 men's team sports in basketball and soccer. They need a 3rd. Perhaps that might be where the threat to be bounced from the A10 is coming from.

Duquesne only has basketball and soccer too

Oh? When did they drop football?
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Dukes are an NEC football member scheduled to play Sacred Heart March 7th.
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(02-12-2021 08:08 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 07:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 07:16 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I see that LaSalle cut 7 sports including Baseball, Softball, W Volleyball, M&W Tennis, M Swimming and M Water Polo

The problem is that leaves them with only 2 men's team sports in basketball and soccer. They need a 3rd. Perhaps that might be where the threat to be bounced from the A10 is coming from.

Duquesne only has basketball and soccer too

Oh? When did they drop football?

In the A10s eyes they only have 2 confernce team sports just like LaSalle
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(02-12-2021 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
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(02-12-2021 02:47 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
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(02-12-2021 01:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  My concern would be if the small Northeast Catholic schools would balk at adding two large South-facing publics, especially if La Salle or Fordham leave. I know the A-10 isn't an exclusively private conference but the shift in geography and diversification of institution type were drivers in the Big East/AAC split.

Right now, the A10 has seven schools north of the Mason-Dixon line, five schools south, and two to the west. The private/public split is 10/4. An ODU+Charlotte add changes both significantly, even more so if a private or two leave.

The CAA lost the thread of its plot by overexpanding, which led to the heart of the conference (ODU, VCU, George Mason) leaving.

Overexpansion is not what led to the CAA exodus. You are way overthinking this. The public/private thing is not a thing at all. If Lasalle or Fordham leave we only need 7 votes... if both leave we may only need 6 votes depending on how they break a tie... VCU, UR, GMU, GW, Davidson are 100%. So UMass and URI or St. Joe's would be all we'd need. The UMass guy seems to think UMass and URI are locks. St. Joes is a basketball school with basketball alumni and basketball donors. They think/want to think their peer and archrival is Villanova. They are not going down with Fordham and LaSalle. What would the Catholic's alternative be for replacement? Any NE Catholic school worth a darn is already in the Big East. Lehigh and Lafayette from the Patriot league?

Adding Georgia State and the Northeast schools doubled the size of the CAA footprint without a resultant increase in revenue. VCU and George Mason had been rumored for a while to be exploring their options. ODU elevated its football to FBS way ahead of schedule because they had no confidence in the CAA's viability going forward. You think that all happened in a vacuum?

We don't know that La Salle and Fordham are leaving. Basketball fans want Fordham to leave but they've been in the conference for 20-some years and while La Salle allegedly looked at downgrading a few years ago, nothing came of it. If it looked like the A-10 was fixing to become a more-public, further-South conference, that might nudge them out the door, but for now there's a lot more schools that look like them than there are ones that look like ODU and Charlotte. Why would they support adding two more mouths to feed that have nothing in common with them? That'd be like ODU pushing for CUSA to add New Mexico State and Texas State.

Basketball is important but conferences are more than basketball and football scheduling alliances. Geography, institutional congruity and academics are big factors, because it's the school presidents that make the call.

Nah. You're contradicting yourself. VCU & GMU didn't leave the CAA for the A10 for cultural fit or because it was expanding, they left for better basketball. The A10 likewise didn't bring them, along with Davidson in for cultural fit the did it for basketball. I'm not saying the things you're mentioning aren't important. But keeping the A10 where it is in the basketball hierarchy seems to be the most important thing. ODU left the CAA because VCU & GMU were leaving and we saw an opportunity to upgrade to FBS.

I don't see the A10 expanding to 15 or 16 but it might happen as a replacement scenario.

The CAA was at one point in the ballpark with the A10 as far as basketball quality.

It was for a moment.
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And they do what all good conferences do when the guy under them catches up to them, they raided them.
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please please please WKU to A10 please please please 03-cloud9
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Hi. I'm an A-10 guy and have been monitoring this while awaiting authorization to join the convo.

1. No one is leaving the A-10 for a lesser league.

2. The "rumor" of the A-10 expanding and "adding FBS football" is an overblown way of saying that if the 4 or 5 C-USA teams did leave and join the A-10 and go independent in football because they'd have enough teams to play, those teams, plus UMass and/or Liberty and New Mexico State, could play each other every year under the A-10 name in order to negotiate bowl tie-ins and try to get some CFP table scrap payments, and BUNDLE TV RIGHTS.

Which sounds essentially the same as "the A-10 adding FBS," except the priority level. The A-10 would be a BASKETBALL LEAGUE, and FBS football would be the same as like, volleyball or baseball. Just another sport we play. We wouldn't be trying to become a "Power 6 Conference" -- because no one has the resources to be P5 level in both basketball and football.

3. That being said, a bunch of programs in C-USA are much much better at being good in both football and MBB than others. It's not quite "East vs West" because FAU/FIU aren't good. It's more like 5 East, UAB and La Tech." And the other seven schools are straight up killing C-USA basketball.

4. I've now seen ODU and Charlotte fans say "Oh, going Indy in football and joining the A-10 in hoops would be awesome!" And a Marshall fan visited the A-10 board I post on saying the same thing (telling me about this forum); and now there's a WKU fan saying it as well.

Which brings me to the big point: If FOUR fan bases/schools of the 5 Eastern C-USA teams good at basketball feel that way, your ADs should be talking to MTSU, UAB, and La Tech because

5. You don't need the A-10, just leave C-USA and form your own league.

Old Dominion, Charlotte, Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, UAB, La Tech is seven teams.
That's enough that you'd get an automatic NCAA bid after ZERO or ONE YEAR (like the Big East/American split, or the MWC split).

Invite Liberty and Buffalo as full members; and UMass foot football only.

That is a very solid basketball league, because the win percentage of those programs skyrockets leaving the others behind, enabling your second place team to get an at-large bid.
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