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Kenyon: UC Hall of Fame & GOAT
From my time as a student at UC beginning in the fall of 1986 and fast forward to now...there is no other Bearcats athlete that so captured everything best in red and black. There is no other figure that I rooted for more or admired more for how hard he worked off the court and how he gave it his all every game. There is no one that improved his level of play by the time he was a Senior when he became a nationally dominant force. I know these videos have probably been posted previously at some time or another, but I came across them and it's still so awesome to remember and appreciate Kenyon Martin's time at UC and what he meant to us fans and alumni. Will we ever see a figure like him again?








 
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Some big time names listed...

UC Hall of Fame Inductees

Yep. Kevin Youkilis, 2007.
 
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I’m still not over the injury.
 
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I loved Kenyon. He was the epitome of a college basketball player.

Work hard. Learn. Improve your game year by year and then as a Jr and Sr kick a$$.

I still can't believe that happened to him/us. Has there ever been another player of the year in CBB that got injured right before the tournament? I don't think so. Only ours.

We'd have beaten Michigan St. by 25 that year.
 
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GOAT???
 
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(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Kenyon was great, especially for one season, but not even close to being the UC GOAT.
 
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(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Greatest Of All Time UC Athlete [As witnessed in my lifetime]
 
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(01-29-2021 03:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Greatest Of All Time UC Athlete [As witnessed in my lifetime]

The key word is your and my lifetime. Oscar is the GOAT, hands down. May only be 3-4 guys who ever had a better collegiate career.
 
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(01-29-2021 03:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Greatest Of All Time UC Athlete [As witnessed in my lifetime]

The key word is your and my lifetime. Oscar is the GOAT, hands down. May only be 3-4 guys who ever had a better collegiate career.

Was in the same graduating class as "O" - I'm sure one can get into an argument over it, but I'm not sure if there was even 3/4 who had a "better" collegiate career.
 
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I thought I laid out my parameters fairly clear in the OP but I guess I didn't link it back to the title of the thread. I don't feel as qualified to pick Oscar or someone else who attended UC before I was born. I witnessed Kenyon's play both on TV and in person live game action. It also just isn't about career stats for me. It's about everything this kid stood for in terms of his dedication and self-burning fire to his craft. It's what he meant to his teammates, the coaches, the program, and the univeristy. All of that combined makes him my UC GOAT.
 
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(01-29-2021 03:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Greatest Of All Time UC Athlete [As witnessed in my lifetime]

The key word is your and my lifetime. Oscar is the GOAT, hands down. May only be 3-4 guys who ever had a better collegiate career.

I don't disagree Clifton but I am curious - who are your 3 or 4 outside of Oscar?
 
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(01-29-2021 04:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Greatest Of All Time UC Athlete [As witnessed in my lifetime]

The key word is your and my lifetime. Oscar is the GOAT, hands down. May only be 3-4 guys who ever had a better collegiate career.

I don't disagree Clifton but I am curious - who are your 3 or 4 outside of Oscar?

I know the question wasn't directed at me, but Kareem and Pistol Pete are the only two I would put on the same level as Oscar.
 
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RE: Kenyon: UC Hall of Fame & GOAT
(01-29-2021 04:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Greatest Of All Time UC Athlete [As witnessed in my lifetime]

The key word is your and my lifetime. Oscar is the GOAT, hands down. May only be 3-4 guys who ever had a better collegiate career.

I don't disagree Clifton but I am curious - who are your 3 or 4 outside of Oscar?

Lew Alcindor, possibly Bill Walton or Elgin Baylor? Oscar has to at least be included with this bunch.
 
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(01-29-2021 06:53 PM)Cat_Litter Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 04:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Greatest Of All Time UC Athlete [As witnessed in my lifetime]

The key word is your and my lifetime. Oscar is the GOAT, hands down. May only be 3-4 guys who ever had a better collegiate career.

I don't disagree Clifton but I am curious - who are your 3 or 4 outside of Oscar?

Lew Alcindor, possibly Bill Walton or Elgin Baylor? Oscar has to at least be included with this bunch.

Ralph Sampson?

Three time POY???
 
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I watched both O and Kenyon. No contest. Big "O" Had freshman been eligible he would have been POY 4 times. Early in Sophomore Season went to MSG and dropped 56 on The Hall.
 
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(01-29-2021 06:51 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 04:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:46 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:43 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-29-2021 03:08 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  GOAT???

Greatest Of All Time UC Athlete [As witnessed in my lifetime]

The key word is your and my lifetime. Oscar is the GOAT, hands down. May only be 3-4 guys who ever had a better collegiate career.

I don't disagree Clifton but I am curious - who are your 3 or 4 outside of Oscar?

I know the question wasn't directed at me, but Kareem and Pistol Pete are the only two I would put on the same level as Oscar.

I wouldn't put Pistol Pete up there. Sure, he scored 44 points a game for 3 years. But he didn't make his team much better.

LSU had a losing SEC conference record in Pistol Pete's sophomore and junior years. Even his senior year, LSU wasn't that good. Only 22-10, including 0-5 against ranked teams.

LSU didn't decline after Pistol Pete left, either. They were better the year AFTER Pete left than they were his sophomore and junior years.

Pete was a ball hog. He took 50.3% of his LSU's shots over his career despite making only 43% of them. A shining example was when he broke the D-1 single game scoring record against a crappy 8-18 Alabama team. He scored 69 points, but he went 26 of 57 from the field (45%). LSU lost the game.
 
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(01-30-2021 09:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  LSU didn't decline after Pistol Pete left, either. They were better the year AFTER Pete left than they were his sophomore and junior years.

I've always found it remarkable that immediately after Oscar graduated UC won back-to-back titles and lost a 3rd in a row. All the fans who lived through that era are spoiled as hell.
 
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(01-30-2021 11:19 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(01-30-2021 09:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  LSU didn't decline after Pistol Pete left, either. They were better the year AFTER Pete left than they were his sophomore and junior years.

I've always found it remarkable that immediately after Oscar graduated UC won back-to-back titles and lost a 3rd in a row. All the fans who lived through that era are spoiled as hell.

Agreed. That's because of Paul Hogue, Tom Thacker, and lots of other elite talent.

Also LSU is a different case. LSU wasn't staying elite; they were staying mediocre.
 
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(01-30-2021 11:19 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(01-30-2021 09:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  LSU didn't decline after Pistol Pete left, either. They were better the year AFTER Pete left than they were his sophomore and junior years.

I've always found it remarkable that immediately after Oscar graduated UC won back-to-back titles and lost a 3rd in a row. All the fans who lived through that era are spoiled as hell.

You are 100% correct - we are spoiled. There will never be another Oscar - at UC or any other school.

BTW, the reason that we won titles after Oscar graduated is a fairly simple reason. When other players around the country saw that Oscar enrolled at UC, all of the great players in high school wanted to follow him. Of course, that was long before Al Gore invented the Internet and before ESPN carried many games on TV. That should tell you how respected he was. Without #12, there would have been no George Wilson, Tony Yates, or other great players.

There have been three schools to go to five consecutive Final Fours - UC, UCLA, and Duke. UC did it and was the first to do it because of Oscar.

I’m sorry for those of you who never saw Oscar play. Unless you were there, it is hard to believe. Much in the same way that Beatlemania was something so encompassing that it is impossible to describe without sounding like a hype machine in overdrive.

One other thing that everyone should remember is that outside of Armory Fieldhouse, Oscar was treated like absolute dirt. When on the road, hotels didn’t want black players. Ditto that for restaurants, airlines, and stores. One time, while playing at X, Oscar was hit in the head with a glass beer bottle full of beer by an X fan who didn’t like the idea of blacks and whites playing on the same court. Of course, at the time, the only people who were allowed to enroll at X were white males.

Some fans complain that Oscar is too bitter about how he was treated. Only Oscar can judge that. I would be surprised if anyone who posts on this board has any inkling of what it was like for Oscar to be the greatest player in the world and outshining all white players.

All I know is that when Oscar learned that my mother was dying of cancer, he wrote a very long note to her that she cherished until the day she died. Away from the court and away from the sounds and lights of radio and tv, Oscar is a better person than he was as a basketball player and he was and still is the greatest basketball player who ever lived.
 
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(01-31-2021 01:21 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(01-30-2021 11:19 PM)levydl Wrote:  
(01-30-2021 09:49 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  LSU didn't decline after Pistol Pete left, either. They were better the year AFTER Pete left than they were his sophomore and junior years.

I've always found it remarkable that immediately after Oscar graduated UC won back-to-back titles and lost a 3rd in a row. All the fans who lived through that era are spoiled as hell.

Agreed. That's because of Paul Hogue, Tom Thacker, and lots of other elite talent.

Also LSU is a different case. LSU wasn't staying elite; they were staying mediocre.

Bonham, Yates, Singleton, Wisenhahn.
 
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