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RE: ODU's perfect conference for you guys
(03-03-2021 03:36 AM)JSchmack Wrote:  Ok, want to mention a few things after the last page:

1. I joined to post because ODU is an intriguing/attractive program for the A-10. So let's make sure you understand that from the jump.

2. Steve1981 said we went to 15 teams.... we went to 16 teams because WE KNEW we were losing teams (Xavier, Temple, possibly more) and the teams we added were Butler, who made 2 Final Fours in the Horizon in 2010 and 2011 and VCU who made the Final Four in 2011...

and when we lost Temple, Xavier, Butler and Charlotte, we added George Mason (2006 Final Four) and Davidson (2008 Elite Eight).

My point is that I feel that ODU is a consistent program, a good program, and one who could be competitive in the A-10 and a good addition for us; But have you made a Sweet 16 ever? La Salle made one in 2013, and people want to kick them the F out! They won a national championship and lost the NCG 60 years ago. So turning the discussion from "Why would we expand" to "okay, who do we add with ODU" is going to take a step forward by the Monarchs. Again, I came here because I recognize the value of the ODU program! No disrespect intended. I understand that the BCS Carter runs things and screws over programs like my Bonnies and that's why C-USA gets one bid when they have 4+ quality programs. I'm just saying you're going to have to turn heads.

3. Thanks for saying the Bonnies are a sexy program, but as for the drop off... we're the most consistent program in the A-10. We don't have the bids that others do, like Saint Louis or Saint Joe's, who bounce between 24-7 and 13-18, while the Bonnies are just 18+ wins 8 years in a row. ME PERSONALLY, I recognized that the 18+ 8 years in a row is better for the league, and that's why I took note of ODU, but I'm also the rare guy among CBB fans. I'm the guy who laughed when everyone said the A-10 was a one-bid league after losing Temple, Xavier, Butler and Charlotte. I said we'd stay at 2 to 4 bids every year, the Big East wouldn't get 7-8 bids and the ACC wouldn't get 11. And everyone said I was wrong but they didn't know how CONFERENCES WORK in the math of SOS/RPI/NET/bids. You don't need sexy Final Four team that sucked half the last 20 years. ODU's consistency is what is the most attractive thing about you, slightly ahead of the market.

4. Screw Charlotte, if your admin is smart, they'd pitch the A-10 on the consistency and markets of ODU and Belmont.

5. C-USA is killing ODU, and Marshall, and WKU, and MTSU and UAB and La Tech. Since there's no path to a CFP cartel conference, or even the American for FBS, you are much better off doing a 7/7 split and forming your own league with Charlotte, Liberty, Buffalo and (tell them all or nothing, settle for football only) UMass. The "Risk" of being an unofficial FBS conference without 8 core members is NOTHING compared to the benefits for MBB and FB of ditching FAU, FIU, Rice, So Miss, UTSA, North Texas. and UTEP. There's just too many not good enough programs. You can only go with 14 when the 14th member brings this year is capable of winning the league 8 years from now. In the A-10 that is not true, in C-USA it is not true.

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(03-02-2021 11:02 PM)monarx Wrote:  I think ODUs recruiting would definitely take a step up in the A10 (especially if it came with a new coach). And I think the comparison to VCU is closer for ODU than GMU. ODU has historically owned GMU, and has a much more committed fan base, history and commitment to the sport than the Patriots. Before VCUs F4 run, our two programs were virtually identical. What has changed since the CAA days of the recent past? VCU went on a F4 run, and switched conferences. Im of the mindset if ODU were to get in the A10 it wouldnt be long before we were in the top 4 fairly consistently and going close to .500 against the Rams again. Lastly, VCU, UR, GMU and GW are all natural rivals for ODU. Especially the first three. With the intrigue of a conference race attached to those games, I think its safe to say we'd be back to having multiple sell outs every year.

I've been as critical as anyone with Jeff Jones... but... I'm not 100% sure he is the problem. The travel puts us at a grave disadvantage. We have the worst travel situation in the league. Maybe not financially because UTEP is more of an outlier, but for the athletes, at least they are flying. Nothing worse than spending 24 hours on the road in 4 days. I think recruiting would immediately improve with or without JJ.
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