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(02-20-2021 10:46 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 09:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 07:45 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Liberty, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, James Madison There you have it. Decent basketball, really good football. Also room to add if really good schools become available. Thoughts???

It’s definitely better, but I still prefer the A10. The list above is too weak in hoops. But IF it could gain a auto bid and CFP money I’d be OK with it. The odds of the NCAA giving out another auto bid, and creating a “G6” seem unlikely.

Agree, my opinion is the same. Better than now, but not what I am hoping for. Might be more attractive if JMU manages to turn around their basketball program with the new arena.


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JMU is in first place in the CAA as of Feb 20 at 8 and 1. Scheduling has been wierd with covid but the good news for us is JMU has played the good CAA teams to get to #1. More good news for us, several freshmen are contributing a lot

The new coach is legit and the new arena will definitely help recruiting.

RPI is up to 130ish. A heck of a lot better than longer than I care to admit.

We may be back to respectible and trending

I hope to be back in a conference with ODU ASAP. Somthin' has to give, your fans don't want CUSA geography and the expense is high, JMU is playing high school football teams spending G5 money. The CAA sucks and CAA football is unstable.

(02-20-2021 08:15 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 10:46 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 09:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 07:45 AM)jaybird44 Wrote:  ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, Liberty, Florida International, Florida Atlantic, James Madison There you have it. Decent basketball, really good football. Also room to add if really good schools become available. Thoughts???

It’s definitely better, but I still prefer the A10. The list above is too weak in hoops. But IF it could gain a auto bid and CFP money I’d be OK with it. The odds of the NCAA giving out another auto bid, and creating a “G6” seem unlikely.

Agree, my opinion is the same. Better than now, but not what I am hoping for. Might be more attractive if JMU manages to turn around their basketball program with the new arena.


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JMU is in first place in the CAA as of Feb 20 at 8 and 1. Scheduling has been wierd with covid but the good news for us is JMU has played the good CAA teams to get to #1. More good news for us, several freshmen are contributing a lot

The new coach is legit and the new arena will definitely help recruiting.

RPI is up to 130ish. A heck of a lot better than longer than I care to admit.

We may be back to respectible and trending

I hope to be back in a conference with ODU ASAP. Somthin' has to give, your fans don't want CUSA geography and the expense is high, JMU is playing high school football teams spending G5 money. The CAA sucks and CAA football is unstable.

I’m definitely rooting for Byington, went to the same high school. He was in my brothers class. Took us to the state title game as a senior. Nice guy to boot.

I got to thinking about it a little deeper. How can you make it work for all smaller schools. You could apply the 9 team conferences and come up with 5 great conferences and fix the footprints to save money and create great rivalries. How about
NORTH ATLANTIC
UMass/Vermont*
Ct/Hofstra*
Army/Marist*
Buffalo.
Ohio.
Miami,Ohio.
Akron.
Bowling Green.
Kent St.

MID-AMERICAN
Toledo
W.Michigan
C.Michigan
E.Michigan
Ball State
N.Illinois
N.Iows
N.Dakota St
S.Dakota St

SOUTH ATLANTIC
Marshall
JMU
Liberty
ODU
Appalachain St
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern

SUN BELT
Western Kentucky
Middle Tennessee
UAB
Troy
South Alabama
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Southern Miss
Louisiana Tech

CONFERENCE USA
Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana-Monroe
UTSA
Rice
North Texas
Texas State
UTEP
New Mexico State










*-NON-FOOTBALL
Waive exit fees. Most games are on ESPN 3 or plus anyway. The slices of pie are bigger and appeal to NCAA you are trying to reduce costs and maybe you could get an extra 2 bids for 5 conferences instead of 3. Thoughts?

That makes a lot of sense, but it adds a conference. If the NCAA will add an auto bid and CFP money for the new conference Id be OK with it. I just think that’s a long shot.

(02-21-2021 01:35 PM)monarx Wrote:  That makes a lot of sense, but it adds a conference. If the NCAA will add an auto bid and CFP money for the new conference Id be OK with it. I just think that’s a long shot.

You are probably right makes a lot of sense though

I really wish ODU was in that SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE, the more I think about it. That would be an awesome for ODU.
ODU
Marshall
JMU
Liberty
App st
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
You guys?

Jmu is not moving up to FBS.

(02-22-2021 05:16 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  I really wish ODU was in that SOUTH ATLANTIC CONFERENCE, the more I think about it. That would be an awesome for ODU.
ODU
Marshall
JMU
Liberty
App st
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
You guys?

Why is everyone so in love with Liberty? They can rot in Independent Hell and pay other teams to play them. I do not want ODU in the same conference with them EVER

I have not posted in a good while. I have attended Old Dominion basketball games since 1973. I think we should do whatever it takes to get in the Atlantic 10. We are a basketball school and always will be. We need to be in the same league with VCU, GMU and Richmond. I also think Charlotte would come with us. Just think how much fun it will be to have those teams coming to the Ted along with Dayton, Davidson, St. Bonaventure, St. Louis and others. That is a league good enough that three or four teams make the NCAA tournament. Football can become an independent.

(02-22-2021 09:38 PM)Mike77 Wrote:  I have not posted in a good while. I have attended Old Dominion basketball games since 1973. I think we should do whatever it takes to get in the Atlantic 10. We are a basketball school and always will be. We need to be in the same league with VCU, GMU and Richmond. I also think Charlotte would come with us. Just think how much fun it will be to have those teams coming to the Ted along with Dayton, Davidson, St. Bonaventure, St. Louis and others. That is a league good enough that three or four teams make the NCAA tournament. Football can become an independent.

Nothing wrong with this either

(02-22-2021 09:38 PM)Mike77 Wrote:  I have not posted in a good while. I have attended Old Dominion basketball games since 1973. I think we should do whatever it takes to get in the Atlantic 10. We are a basketball school and always will be. We need to be in the same league with VCU, GMU and Richmond. I also think Charlotte would come with us. Just think how much fun it will be to have those teams coming to the Ted along with Dayton, Davidson, St. Bonaventure, St. Louis and others. That is a league good enough that three or four teams make the NCAA tournament. Football can become an independent.

Spot on. There are some football first folks who really don't seem to understand that ODU is, and always will be, a basketball school first. Unfortunately, I think many of those folks are in our admin, but if you really take a look at a school that I think most resembles ODU in terms of what long term success means, Cincinnati is probably the closest. Urban school in a decent sized market, has a long basketball tradition and has parlayed that into football success more recently. That should be our goal.

(02-23-2021 09:16 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 09:38 PM)Mike77 Wrote:  I have not posted in a good while. I have attended Old Dominion basketball games since 1973. I think we should do whatever it takes to get in the Atlantic 10. We are a basketball school and always will be. We need to be in the same league with VCU, GMU and Richmond. I also think Charlotte would come with us. Just think how much fun it will be to have those teams coming to the Ted along with Dayton, Davidson, St. Bonaventure, St. Louis and others. That is a league good enough that three or four teams make the NCAA tournament. Football can become an independent.

Spot on. There are some football first folks who really don't seem to understand that ODU is, and always will be, a basketball school first. Unfortunately, I think many of those folks are in our admin, but if you really take a look at a school that I think most resembles ODU in terms of what long term success means, Cincinnati is probably the closest. Urban school in a decent sized market, has a long basketball tradition and has parlayed that into football success more recently. That should be our goal.

I agree with the Cincinnati comparison. Temple is another one we could emulate. I guess the football first guys look at South Florida or UCF as the better model. I think ODU is more like USF than UCF.

(02-23-2021 10:05 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:16 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 09:38 PM)Mike77 Wrote:  I have not posted in a good while. I have attended Old Dominion basketball games since 1973. I think we should do whatever it takes to get in the Atlantic 10. We are a basketball school and always will be. We need to be in the same league with VCU, GMU and Richmond. I also think Charlotte would come with us. Just think how much fun it will be to have those teams coming to the Ted along with Dayton, Davidson, St. Bonaventure, St. Louis and others. That is a league good enough that three or four teams make the NCAA tournament. Football can become an independent.

Spot on. There are some football first folks who really don't seem to understand that ODU is, and always will be, a basketball school first. Unfortunately, I think many of those folks are in our admin, but if you really take a look at a school that I think most resembles ODU in terms of what long term success means, Cincinnati is probably the closest. Urban school in a decent sized market, has a long basketball tradition and has parlayed that into football success more recently. That should be our goal.

I agree with the Cincinnati comparison. Temple is another one we could emulate. I guess the football first guys look at South Florida or UCF as the better model. I think ODU is more like USF than UCF.

I don't think we are very similar to those Florida schools. First and foremost, they are deep in the South where football is a religion and mortgaging the university to support football is totally acceptable. We are not the school that is going to be going out and hiring Gus Malzahn. We can't and won't spend that kind of money to commit to top notch football. For us, it will have to be a long term growth process to become that sort of football program, and I honestly think basketball success positions our football program for success rather than the other way around.

If we threw the necessary resources, and made the right conference decisions to enable basketball to become the type of program that is in the NCAAT nearly every year, and regularly winning games in the tournament, basically become VCU, which I think is attainable with the right commitment, then I think our football program will grow with that exposure.

Basically, our first priority is to become a school that people recognize as a significant player in D1 athletics and it shouldn't matter which sport leads the way. I think that is much more easily achieved on the basketball side. Once you have that name recognition, then getting football players who might have gone to VT or NCSU becomes a reasonable possibility. We aren't getting those dudes when they think of us as more like JMU than Cincinnati.

(02-23-2021 10:32 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 10:05 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:16 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 09:38 PM)Mike77 Wrote:  I have not posted in a good while. I have attended Old Dominion basketball games since 1973. I think we should do whatever it takes to get in the Atlantic 10. We are a basketball school and always will be. We need to be in the same league with VCU, GMU and Richmond. I also think Charlotte would come with us. Just think how much fun it will be to have those teams coming to the Ted along with Dayton, Davidson, St. Bonaventure, St. Louis and others. That is a league good enough that three or four teams make the NCAA tournament. Football can become an independent.

Spot on. There are some football first folks who really don't seem to understand that ODU is, and always will be, a basketball school first. Unfortunately, I think many of those folks are in our admin, but if you really take a look at a school that I think most resembles ODU in terms of what long term success means, Cincinnati is probably the closest. Urban school in a decent sized market, has a long basketball tradition and has parlayed that into football success more recently. That should be our goal.

I agree with the Cincinnati comparison. Temple is another one we could emulate. I guess the football first guys look at South Florida or UCF as the better model. I think ODU is more like USF than UCF.

I don't think we are very similar to those Florida schools. First and foremost, they are deep in the South where football is a religion and mortgaging the university to support football is totally acceptable. We are not the school that is going to be going out and hiring Gus Malzahn. We can't and won't spend that kind of money to commit to top notch football. For us, it will have to be a long term growth process to become that sort of football program, and I honestly think basketball success positions our football program for success rather than the other way around.

If we threw the necessary resources, and made the right conference decisions to enable basketball to become the type of program that is in the NCAAT nearly every year, and regularly winning games in the tournament, basically become VCU, which I think is attainable with the right commitment, then I think our football program will grow with that exposure.

Basically, our first priority is to become a school that people recognize as a significant player in D1 athletics and it shouldn't matter which sport leads the way. I think that is much more easily achieved on the basketball side. Once you have that name recognition, then getting football players who might have gone to VT or NCSU becomes a reasonable possibility. We aren't getting those dudes when they think of us as more like JMU than Cincinnati.

I completely agree with most of that. I do think we have similarities to USF though. An urban school that started football relatively recently. If we had played our cards right, we would be in their shoes right now. That said, I agree that for us, now, basketball needs to drive things. It has the best chance of building name recognition that will make us more appealing to better conferences, coaches and recruits. And those three things will build our football program over the long haul. LU has no conference affiliation at all in FB and they seem to be recruiting as well as we are. Winning solves a lot of issues. Having ODU be Virginia's version of Cincinnati or Temple in the next decade or two is an achievable aspiration.

All of this conference speculation is fun, and certainly something is going to change, but there are some realistic constraints that will most likely preclude a lot of the above from ever coming to fruition.

1. JMU is almost certainly not going FBS anytime in the near future.
2. There is no advantage for there to be any change in the MAC. It (and it's programs) can be left out of these discussions.
3. There is little advantage, and therefore impetus, for many of the Sun Belt programs to consider a wholesale change.
4. There is little to NO advantage for any AAC programs to consider change.
5. The logistics of creating a new conference - from existing contractual legal issues, to media negotiations, to NCAA approval with the associated NCAAT and CFP payouts, to FB bowl alliances - is substantial.
6. Like it or not, Liberty is here to stay. Outside of JMU moving to FBS, it is our closest natural rival. Would the advantages of embracing Liberty as an athletic peer outweigh the negatives associated with the academic and philosophical baggage it currently carries? That is a big question.

(02-23-2021 11:59 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  All of this conference speculation is fun, and certainly something is going to change, but there are some realistic constraints that will most likely preclude a lot of the above from ever coming to fruition.

1. JMU is almost certainly not going FBS anytime in the near future.
2. There is no advantage for there to be any change in the MAC. It (and it's programs) can be left out of these discussions.
3. There is little advantage, and therefore impetus, for many of the Sun Belt programs to consider a wholesale change.
4. There is little to NO advantage for any AAC programs to consider change.
5. The logistics of creating a new conference - from existing contractual legal issues, to media negotiations, to NCAA approval with the associated NCAAT and CFP payouts, to FB bowl alliances - is substantial.
6. Like it or not, Liberty is here to stay. Outside of JMU moving to FBS, it is our closest natural rival. Would the advantages of embracing Liberty as an athletic peer outweigh the negatives associated with the academic and philosophical baggage it currently carries? That is a big question.

I agree with much of this. Do you think any of this changes if the P-5 take their ball and go play in their own non-NCAA sandbox? I would think it would, but I am unsure how and would not be able to speculate.

(02-23-2021 12:16 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:59 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  All of this conference speculation is fun, and certainly something is going to change, but there are some realistic constraints that will most likely preclude a lot of the above from ever coming to fruition.

1. JMU is almost certainly not going FBS anytime in the near future.
2. There is no advantage for there to be any change in the MAC. It (and it's programs) can be left out of these discussions.
3. There is little advantage, and therefore impetus, for many of the Sun Belt programs to consider a wholesale change.
4. There is little to NO advantage for any AAC programs to consider change.
5. The logistics of creating a new conference - from existing contractual legal issues, to media negotiations, to NCAA approval with the associated NCAAT and CFP payouts, to FB bowl alliances - is substantial.
6. Like it or not, Liberty is here to stay. Outside of JMU moving to FBS, it is our closest natural rival. Would the advantages of embracing Liberty as an athletic peer outweigh the negatives associated with the academic and philosophical baggage it currently carries? That is a big question.

I agree with much of this. Do you think any of this changes if the P-5 take their ball and go play in their own non-NCAA sandbox? I would think it would, but I am unsure how and would not be able to speculate.

I think thats when JMU moves up to whatever its is called that the rest of us G5ers are left in. And say what you will about LU's philosophical stances, but academically they are ranked better than several of our CUSA brethren. Id be fine being in a conference with LU. They have the money, determination and engaged student/alumni population to be good. Heck, at this point, they're probably better at us in the major sports even now.

(02-23-2021 12:16 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:59 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  All of this conference speculation is fun, and certainly something is going to change, but there are some realistic constraints that will most likely preclude a lot of the above from ever coming to fruition.

1. JMU is almost certainly not going FBS anytime in the near future.
2. There is no advantage for there to be any change in the MAC. It (and it's programs) can be left out of these discussions.
3. There is little advantage, and therefore impetus, for many of the Sun Belt programs to consider a wholesale change.
4. There is little to NO advantage for any AAC programs to consider change.
5. The logistics of creating a new conference - from existing contractual legal issues, to media negotiations, to NCAA approval with the associated NCAAT and CFP payouts, to FB bowl alliances - is substantial.
6. Like it or not, Liberty is here to stay. Outside of JMU moving to FBS, it is our closest natural rival. Would the advantages of embracing Liberty as an athletic peer outweigh the negatives associated with the academic and philosophical baggage it currently carries? That is a big question.

I agree with much of this. Do you think any of this changes if the P-5 take their ball and go play in their own non-NCAA sandbox? I would think it would, but I am unsure how and would not be able to speculate.

This is just a guess, but I suspect that the NCAAT is at the top of the list for consideration. College football attendance has been trending downward in recent years. TV ratings were down significantly in 2020, with the NC down 16%. That may be an anomaly due to the pandemic, or a sign of a broader trend. Certainly football is declining in popularity in the north and northeast.

In any event, would the P5 be able to sustain it's MBB w/o the NCAAT? If football is indeed declining, that would have to be the single most important factor in any decision, IMO.
Certainly the non football elite of the P5 depend on MBB more than the Alabamas and Clemsons. Closer to home, would Duke, UVA, UNC, UK want to break from the NCAA? I believe that any attempt by the P5 to break away would cause substantial rifts within their respective conferences.

(02-23-2021 12:49 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:16 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:59 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  All of this conference speculation is fun, and certainly something is going to change, but there are some realistic constraints that will most likely preclude a lot of the above from ever coming to fruition.

1. JMU is almost certainly not going FBS anytime in the near future.
2. There is no advantage for there to be any change in the MAC. It (and it's programs) can be left out of these discussions.
3. There is little advantage, and therefore impetus, for many of the Sun Belt programs to consider a wholesale change.
4. There is little to NO advantage for any AAC programs to consider change.
5. The logistics of creating a new conference - from existing contractual legal issues, to media negotiations, to NCAA approval with the associated NCAAT and CFP payouts, to FB bowl alliances - is substantial.
6. Like it or not, Liberty is here to stay. Outside of JMU moving to FBS, it is our closest natural rival. Would the advantages of embracing Liberty as an athletic peer outweigh the negatives associated with the academic and philosophical baggage it currently carries? That is a big question.

I agree with much of this. Do you think any of this changes if the P-5 take their ball and go play in their own non-NCAA sandbox? I would think it would, but I am unsure how and would not be able to speculate.

This is just a guess, but I suspect that the NCAAT is at the top of the list for consideration. College football attendance has been trending downward in recent years. TV ratings were down significantly in 2020, with the NC down 16%. That may be an anomaly due to the pandemic, or a sign of a broader trend. Certainly football is declining in popularity in the north and northeast.

In any event, would the P5 be able to sustain it's MBB w/o the NCAAT? If football is indeed declining, that would have to be the single most important factor in any decision, IMO.
Certainly the non football elite of the P5 depend on MBB more than the Alabamas and Clemsons. Closer to home, would Duke, UVA, UNC, UK want to break from the NCAA? I believe that any attempt by the P5 to break away would cause substantial rifts within their respective conferences.

I suspect the P5 don't look at the rest of us as relevant in basketball. They likely figure they can have their own tournament and it will be the "real" one. If UNC, Duke, Kentucky, UCLA etc are in it, they are likely correct too.

(02-23-2021 01:48 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:49 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 12:16 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:59 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  All of this conference speculation is fun, and certainly something is going to change, but there are some realistic constraints that will most likely preclude a lot of the above from ever coming to fruition.

1. JMU is almost certainly not going FBS anytime in the near future.
2. There is no advantage for there to be any change in the MAC. It (and it's programs) can be left out of these discussions.
3. There is little advantage, and therefore impetus, for many of the Sun Belt programs to consider a wholesale change.
4. There is little to NO advantage for any AAC programs to consider change.
5. The logistics of creating a new conference - from existing contractual legal issues, to media negotiations, to NCAA approval with the associated NCAAT and CFP payouts, to FB bowl alliances - is substantial.
6. Like it or not, Liberty is here to stay. Outside of JMU moving to FBS, it is our closest natural rival. Would the advantages of embracing Liberty as an athletic peer outweigh the negatives associated with the academic and philosophical baggage it currently carries? That is a big question.

I agree with much of this. Do you think any of this changes if the P-5 take their ball and go play in their own non-NCAA sandbox? I would think it would, but I am unsure how and would not be able to speculate.

This is just a guess, but I suspect that the NCAAT is at the top of the list for consideration. College football attendance has been trending downward in recent years. TV ratings were down significantly in 2020, with the NC down 16%. That may be an anomaly due to the pandemic, or a sign of a broader trend. Certainly football is declining in popularity in the north and northeast.

In any event, would the P5 be able to sustain it's MBB w/o the NCAAT? If football is indeed declining, that would have to be the single most important factor in any decision, IMO.
Certainly the non football elite of the P5 depend on MBB more than the Alabamas and Clemsons. Closer to home, would Duke, UVA, UNC, UK want to break from the NCAA? I believe that any attempt by the P5 to break away would cause substantial rifts within their respective conferences.

I suspect the P5 don't look at the rest of us as relevant in basketball. They likely figure they can have their own tournament and it will be the "real" one. If UNC, Duke, Kentucky, UCLA etc are in it, they are likely correct too.

I completely disagree with this, and have discussed it at length previously. But the short version is that the Dukes and Kentucky's would lose their minds over losing access to the NCAAT. Their tournament would be completely overshadowed by a NCAAT that included powerful non-P5 teams/conferences, featured the cinderela matchups that everyone loves, and didn't give us 1st round matchups like Duke vs Northwestern where even an upset isn't super exciting.