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In order to have a shot to get in the AAC it would mean the P5 conferences all go to 16 they would have to lose teams like Cincy, Memphis, Houston, and UCF. At that point we are back to sweeping sand from one side of the room to the other. In order to make football work without taking down our athletic department we are going to have to split it off.


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(01-31-2021 10:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We are so far from the AAC right now that it is not even worth consideration. There has to be another step between where we are and the ultimate goal of getting to the AAC. What that next step should be is what our admin needs to figure out asap.

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I know what that next step is. But it's a tough pill for some. When you are new to the division, the only way to continue getting invitations upward (and yes, CUSA was a big move) is to win and show up at the top of the table many times. Building a brand that resonates upward is hard and rarely gets done in the first 6 years playing in the division.

(02-01-2021 09:26 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 10:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We are so far from the AAC right now that it is not even worth consideration. There has to be another step between where we are and the ultimate goal of getting to the AAC. What that next step should be is what our admin needs to figure out asap.

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I know what that next step is. But it's a tough pill for some. When you are new to the division, the only way to continue getting invitations upward (and yes, CUSA was a big move) is to win and show up at the top of the table many times. Building a brand that resonates upward is hard and rarely gets done in the first 6 years playing in the division.

I think we agree on that, but it seems we disagree on the extent to which CUSA is sucking all of the life out of our athletic programs. I just don't think we can get there from where we are. CUSA has sucked all of the enthusiasm out of ODU Athletics (among other things) and it is an extremely tough sell for recruiting, at least in basketball. There are a couple schools on the basketball side and a couple/few on the football side that are more committed than us financially, and overcoming those disparities also makes it hard for us to rise to the top in either sport when we are trying to be competitive financially in both.

I may be wrong, but I think basketball has the most potential to drive us to a better conference and more national notoriety, and as such, should be the focus for the immediate future. Building the necessary brand and history as a startup football program is a long process, but the foundation is already there for our basketball program. I think our AD, donors, and some fans are obsessed with making ODU Football a thing overnight, and I just don't think that is an approach that is going to yield a desirable result. I could be wrong. I am definitely biased toward basketball, but if I look at the next 10 years with the goal of significantly building the ODU Athletics brand, I think basketball can get us there. I think it would take significantly longer, and significantly more money for football to get us there.

(02-01-2021 10:38 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 09:26 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 10:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We are so far from the AAC right now that it is not even worth consideration. There has to be another step between where we are and the ultimate goal of getting to the AAC. What that next step should be is what our admin needs to figure out asap.

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I know what that next step is. But it's a tough pill for some. When you are new to the division, the only way to continue getting invitations upward (and yes, CUSA was a big move) is to win and show up at the top of the table many times. Building a brand that resonates upward is hard and rarely gets done in the first 6 years playing in the division.

I think we agree on that, but it seems we disagree on the extent to which CUSA is sucking all of the life out of our athletic programs. I just don't think we can get there from where we are. CUSA has sucked all of the enthusiasm out of ODU Athletics (among other things) and it is an extremely tough sell for recruiting, at least in basketball. There are a couple schools on the basketball side and a couple/few on the football side that are more committed than us financially, and overcoming those disparities also makes it hard for us to rise to the top in either sport when we are trying to be competitive financially in both.

I may be wrong, but I think basketball has the most potential to drive us to a better conference and more national notoriety, and as such, should be the focus for the immediate future. Building the necessary brand and history as a startup football program is a long process, but the foundation is already there for our basketball program. I think our AD, donors, and some fans are obsessed with making ODU Football a thing overnight, and I just don't think that is an approach that is going to yield a desirable result. I could be wrong. I am definitely biased toward basketball, but if I look at the next 10 years with the goal of significantly building the ODU Athletics brand, I think basketball can get us there. I think it would take significantly longer, and significantly more money for football to get us there.

We need both to be competitive really. The A10 would be a basketball move the same as CUSA was a FB move. I agree that neither is doing well there and likely won't easily as we're spending too much money sending every team to Texas instead of investing in better coaching. I think the A10 move could help both out, I wasn't sold on independence but with 6 east coast indy's scheduling becomes easier and we can form rivalries with Charlotte and Liberty. A10 for BB is a no-brainer.

I agree with Ever in that by the time the AAC wants us they'll be depleted to the point where we don't want them.

(02-01-2021 10:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:38 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 09:26 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 10:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We are so far from the AAC right now that it is not even worth consideration. There has to be another step between where we are and the ultimate goal of getting to the AAC. What that next step should be is what our admin needs to figure out asap.

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I know what that next step is. But it's a tough pill for some. When you are new to the division, the only way to continue getting invitations upward (and yes, CUSA was a big move) is to win and show up at the top of the table many times. Building a brand that resonates upward is hard and rarely gets done in the first 6 years playing in the division.

I think we agree on that, but it seems we disagree on the extent to which CUSA is sucking all of the life out of our athletic programs. I just don't think we can get there from where we are. CUSA has sucked all of the enthusiasm out of ODU Athletics (among other things) and it is an extremely tough sell for recruiting, at least in basketball. There are a couple schools on the basketball side and a couple/few on the football side that are more committed than us financially, and overcoming those disparities also makes it hard for us to rise to the top in either sport when we are trying to be competitive financially in both.

I may be wrong, but I think basketball has the most potential to drive us to a better conference and more national notoriety, and as such, should be the focus for the immediate future. Building the necessary brand and history as a startup football program is a long process, but the foundation is already there for our basketball program. I think our AD, donors, and some fans are obsessed with making ODU Football a thing overnight, and I just don't think that is an approach that is going to yield a desirable result. I could be wrong. I am definitely biased toward basketball, but if I look at the next 10 years with the goal of significantly building the ODU Athletics brand, I think basketball can get us there. I think it would take significantly longer, and significantly more money for football to get us there.

We need both to be competitive really. The A10 would be a basketball move the same as CUSA was a FB move. I agree that neither is doing well there and likely won't easily as we're spending too much money sending every team to Texas instead of investing in better coaching. I think the A10 move could help both out, I wasn't sold on independence but with 6 east coast indy's scheduling becomes easier and we can form rivalries with Charlotte and Liberty. A10 for BB is a no-brainer.

I agree with Ever in that by the time the AAC wants us they'll be depleted to the point where we don't want them.

We will still want the AAC as long as it includes ECU, Temple and Navy, a lot more money and much better TV exposure. But I agree, when we get the invite it will be because Cincy, Houston, UCF, Memphis etc are gone. Navy would probably go back to indy. At that point, it might be better for Temple and ECU to join the football scheduling alliance (or maybe finally form a conference by merging with the alliance 6).

Thats all a ways off though. And we cant afford to wait. If we can get in the A10 we have to do so, no matter what it means for football. Worst case is it goes Indy. Im fine with that.

(02-01-2021 11:38 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:50 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 10:38 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 09:26 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(01-31-2021 10:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We are so far from the AAC right now that it is not even worth consideration. There has to be another step between where we are and the ultimate goal of getting to the AAC. What that next step should be is what our admin needs to figure out asap.

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I know what that next step is. But it's a tough pill for some. When you are new to the division, the only way to continue getting invitations upward (and yes, CUSA was a big move) is to win and show up at the top of the table many times. Building a brand that resonates upward is hard and rarely gets done in the first 6 years playing in the division.

I think we agree on that, but it seems we disagree on the extent to which CUSA is sucking all of the life out of our athletic programs. I just don't think we can get there from where we are. CUSA has sucked all of the enthusiasm out of ODU Athletics (among other things) and it is an extremely tough sell for recruiting, at least in basketball. There are a couple schools on the basketball side and a couple/few on the football side that are more committed than us financially, and overcoming those disparities also makes it hard for us to rise to the top in either sport when we are trying to be competitive financially in both.

I may be wrong, but I think basketball has the most potential to drive us to a better conference and more national notoriety, and as such, should be the focus for the immediate future. Building the necessary brand and history as a startup football program is a long process, but the foundation is already there for our basketball program. I think our AD, donors, and some fans are obsessed with making ODU Football a thing overnight, and I just don't think that is an approach that is going to yield a desirable result. I could be wrong. I am definitely biased toward basketball, but if I look at the next 10 years with the goal of significantly building the ODU Athletics brand, I think basketball can get us there. I think it would take significantly longer, and significantly more money for football to get us there.

We need both to be competitive really. The A10 would be a basketball move the same as CUSA was a FB move. I agree that neither is doing well there and likely won't easily as we're spending too much money sending every team to Texas instead of investing in better coaching. I think the A10 move could help both out, I wasn't sold on independence but with 6 east coast indy's scheduling becomes easier and we can form rivalries with Charlotte and Liberty. A10 for BB is a no-brainer.

I agree with Ever in that by the time the AAC wants us they'll be depleted to the point where we don't want them.

We will still want the AAC as long as it includes ECU, Temple and Navy, a lot more money and much better TV exposure. But I agree, when we get the invite it will be because Cincy, Houston, UCF, Memphis etc are gone. Navy would probably go back to indy. At that point, it might be better for Temple and ECU to join the football scheduling alliance (or maybe finally form a conference by merging with the alliance 6).

Thats all a ways off though. And we cant afford to wait. If we can get in the A10 we have to do so, no matter what it means for football. Worst case is it goes Indy. Im fine with that.

That's the CUSA mistake all over again. Join a cross country conference that just lost all it's best assets and wait for the money to dry up. If it happens then the remaining members hopefully would split regionally somehow. If that's the case then and all sports conference with ECU, Temple, Marshall, App St, etc. might look better.

First like to preface what I reported on the A10 board, main realignment board and is my personal view. Remember where the A10 HQ is located, Newport News.
The only team that makes since is ODU for the A10 expanding to 15 or/and have the numbers for any future raid by the Big East. The A10 does not have divisions and has an odd number of teams in the past and had no issues. We play everyone once and then play an odd number of teams twice.

ODU would have support for all the Virginia, DC, and NC teams. We'd support it since it would give us another Indy football program. Since our alum is AD at URI, think they would go along as well. More importantly think our AD, Bernadette McGlade supports it. Think it could, should and would be positive for all.

(02-01-2021 01:11 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  First like to preface what I reported on the A10 board, main realignment board and is my personal view. Remember where the A10 HQ is located, Newport News.
The only team that makes since is ODU for the A10 expanding to 15 or/and have the numbers for any future raid by the Big East. The A10 does not have divisions and has an odd number of teams in the past and had no issues. We play everyone once and then play an odd number of teams twice.

ODU would have support for all the Virginia, DC, and NC teams. We'd support it since it would give us another Indy football program. Since our alum is AD at URI, think they would go along as well. More importantly think our AD, Bernadette McGlade supports it. Think it could, should and would be positive for all.

If the A-10 wanted to go to 16, and presuming the Charlotte/ODU rumor is true, could they go to pods?

ODU/VCU/UR/GMU
GW/LaSalle/St. Joe's/Fordham
UMass/URI/Bona/Duquesne
Saint Louis/Dayton/Charlotte/Davidson (SLU and Dayton make geographic splits a nightmare)

Play everyone in your pod twice (six games) and everyone else once (12) for 18 games. If you want to get to 20 games, play two teams outside your pod twice (either by permanent crossover, rotation or matched by similar preseason expectations).

If Charlotte's not involved, Marshall works well in that pod (though I doubt they send their football to the indies). Belmont would be a bridge between the Midwest schools and Davidson, if that matters. Plus it might be easier to get the private schools to go along with a one public/one private expansion.

(02-01-2021 01:28 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 01:11 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  First like to preface what I reported on the A10 board, main realignment board and is my personal view. Remember where the A10 HQ is located, Newport News.
The only team that makes since is ODU for the A10 expanding to 15 or/and have the numbers for any future raid by the Big East. The A10 does not have divisions and has an odd number of teams in the past and had no issues. We play everyone once and then play an odd number of teams twice.

ODU would have support for all the Virginia, DC, and NC teams. We'd support it since it would give us another Indy football program. Since our alum is AD at URI, think they would go along as well. More importantly think our AD, Bernadette McGlade supports it. Think it could, should and would be positive for all.

If the A-10 wanted to go to 16, and presuming the Charlotte/ODU rumor is true, could they go to pods?

ODU/VCU/UR/GMU
GW/LaSalle/St. Joe's/Fordham
UMass/URI/Bona/Duquesne
Saint Louis/Dayton/Charlotte/Davidson (SLU and Dayton make geographic splits a nightmare)

Play everyone in your pod twice (six games) and everyone else once (12) for 18 games. If you want to get to 20 games, play two teams outside your pod twice (either by permanent crossover, rotation or matched by similar preseason expectations).

If Charlotte's not involved, Marshall works well in that pod (though I doubt they send their football to the indies). Belmont would be a bridge between the Midwest schools and Davidson, if that matters. Plus it might be easier to get the private schools to go along with a one public/one private expansion.

Or two teams leave. The easy answer is Fordham, but who else? Could be LaSalle, but if I were St. Louis, I might be considering the MVC (unless the BE came calling for them or Dayton). I kind of like the Pod idea for the A10 too, if they did expand to 16.

16 is also an interesting number because if the P5 break off, they may all be 16 team leagues. They could decide to let the Big East and A10 come along for basketball (but maybe not the AAC or MWC since they have football). If so, they'd need to be 16 teams too.

(02-01-2021 01:39 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 01:28 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 01:11 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  First like to preface what I reported on the A10 board, main realignment board and is my personal view. Remember where the A10 HQ is located, Newport News.
The only team that makes since is ODU for the A10 expanding to 15 or/and have the numbers for any future raid by the Big East. The A10 does not have divisions and has an odd number of teams in the past and had no issues. We play everyone once and then play an odd number of teams twice.

ODU would have support for all the Virginia, DC, and NC teams. We'd support it since it would give us another Indy football program. Since our alum is AD at URI, think they would go along as well. More importantly think our AD, Bernadette McGlade supports it. Think it could, should and would be positive for all.

If the A-10 wanted to go to 16, and presuming the Charlotte/ODU rumor is true, could they go to pods?

ODU/VCU/UR/GMU
GW/LaSalle/St. Joe's/Fordham
UMass/URI/Bona/Duquesne
Saint Louis/Dayton/Charlotte/Davidson (SLU and Dayton make geographic splits a nightmare)

Play everyone in your pod twice (six games) and everyone else once (12) for 18 games. If you want to get to 20 games, play two teams outside your pod twice (either by permanent crossover, rotation or matched by similar preseason expectations).

If Charlotte's not involved, Marshall works well in that pod (though I doubt they send their football to the indies). Belmont would be a bridge between the Midwest schools and Davidson, if that matters. Plus it might be easier to get the private schools to go along with a one public/one private expansion.

Or two teams leave. The easy answer is Fordham, but who else? Could be LaSalle, but if I were St. Louis, I might be considering the MVC (unless the BE came calling for them or Dayton). I kind of like the Pod idea for the A10 too, if they did expand to 16.

16 is also an interesting number because if the P5 break off, they may all be 16 team leagues. They could decide to let the Big East and A10 come along for basketball (but maybe not the AAC or MWC since they have football). If so, they'd need to be 16 teams too.

There's a number of scenarios where a school or multiple schools leave, but I'm not sure how likely any of them are.

Some combination of Saint Louis/Dayton/VCU/Richmond to the Big East was rumored almost from the moment the Catholics broke from the original conference, but with UConn back in the fold and a 20-game round-robin schedule, I think they're set for the long haul. Saint Louis has allegedly spurned the MVC's advances for many years now, and I think it'd take the A10 falling to single-bid status for them to even consider it.

La Salle was apparently looking at downgrading conferences a few years ago but nothing came of that. Fordham has not shown any inclination to leave, no matter how much the basketball fans at other schools wish they would.

UMass could always uproot its sports to join football in an FBS conference, but they already left the MAC as an affiliate instead of going all-in. The only conference that makes sense for them is the AAC, but with no more UConn, I don't know that they're very high on the list of potential 12th members, if in fact the AAC has any interest in one.

Barring a shocking turn of events, I can't see anyone else as a flight risk.

(02-01-2021 01:28 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 01:11 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  First like to preface what I reported on the A10 board, main realignment board and is my personal view. Remember where the A10 HQ is located, Newport News.
The only team that makes since is ODU for the A10 expanding to 15 or/and have the numbers for any future raid by the Big East. The A10 does not have divisions and has an odd number of teams in the past and had no issues. We play everyone once and then play an odd number of teams twice.

ODU would have support for all the Virginia, DC, and NC teams. We'd support it since it would give us another Indy football program. Since our alum is AD at URI, think they would go along as well. More importantly think our AD, Bernadette McGlade supports it. Think it could, should and would be positive for all.

If the A-10 wanted to go to 16, and presuming the Charlotte/ODU rumor is true, could they go to pods?

ODU/VCU/UR/GMU
GW/LaSalle/St. Joe's/Fordham
UMass/URI/Bona/Duquesne
Saint Louis/Dayton/Charlotte/Davidson (SLU and Dayton make geographic splits a nightmare)

Play everyone in your pod twice (six games) and everyone else once (12) for 18 games. If you want to get to 20 games, play two teams outside your pod twice (either by permanent crossover, rotation or matched by similar preseason expectations).

If Charlotte's not involved, Marshall works well in that pod (though I doubt they send their football to the indies). Belmont would be a bridge between the Midwest schools and Davidson, if that matters. Plus it might be easier to get the private schools to go along with a one public/one private expansion.

Dayton is not as bad as you'd think. To put things in perspective, Dayton is closer than all of the CUSA schools except Charlotte and maybe Marshall (it is close). SLU is really the only outlier.

(02-01-2021 02:21 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 01:28 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 01:11 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  First like to preface what I reported on the A10 board, main realignment board and is my personal view. Remember where the A10 HQ is located, Newport News.
The only team that makes since is ODU for the A10 expanding to 15 or/and have the numbers for any future raid by the Big East. The A10 does not have divisions and has an odd number of teams in the past and had no issues. We play everyone once and then play an odd number of teams twice.

ODU would have support for all the Virginia, DC, and NC teams. We'd support it since it would give us another Indy football program. Since our alum is AD at URI, think they would go along as well. More importantly think our AD, Bernadette McGlade supports it. Think it could, should and would be positive for all.

If the A-10 wanted to go to 16, and presuming the Charlotte/ODU rumor is true, could they go to pods?

ODU/VCU/UR/GMU
GW/LaSalle/St. Joe's/Fordham
UMass/URI/Bona/Duquesne
Saint Louis/Dayton/Charlotte/Davidson (SLU and Dayton make geographic splits a nightmare)

Play everyone in your pod twice (six games) and everyone else once (12) for 18 games. If you want to get to 20 games, play two teams outside your pod twice (either by permanent crossover, rotation or matched by similar preseason expectations).

If Charlotte's not involved, Marshall works well in that pod (though I doubt they send their football to the indies). Belmont would be a bridge between the Midwest schools and Davidson, if that matters. Plus it might be easier to get the private schools to go along with a one public/one private expansion.

Dayton is not as bad as you'd think. To put things in perspective, Dayton is closer than all of the CUSA schools except Charlotte and maybe Marshall (it is close). SLU is really the only outlier.

Dayton's not bad by CUSA standards, but in the A10, they're a haul (although not as bad as Saint Louis of course). The other pods in my theoretical would be bus trips for all involved; there's just no way to do that with Dayton and Saint Louis unless, instead of ODU and Charlotte, you invited a couple of Midwest/Ohio Valley schools to bridge the gap (some VCU fans were vocal about adding Wichita State a few years ago but that was never going to happen). But even then they'd be nothing like the all-Virginia pod or the DC/Philly/NYC pod.

The A10 does not have divisions and there are 3-5 teams you would play twice. Those teams criteria is a mixture of rivals, close travel and what is best for net ratings. Nothing is static as pods and for instance as a general rule the highest rank teams do not play the lowest rank teams as the ones that play twice.

(02-01-2021 03:10 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  The A10 does not have divisions and there are 3-5 teams you would play twice. Those teams criteria is a mixture of rivals, close travel and what is best for net ratings. Nothing is static as pods and for instance as a general rule the highest rank teams do not play the lowest rank teams as the ones that play twice.

Division are rare in basketball and pods would be tricky at 14. Once we get to 16, I think you want to formalize your pairings a little more. The A10 did have that one 16-school season in 2012-13 when VCU and Butler were in with Temple and Charlotte, but the solution there (play one team twice and everyone else once for 16 games) isn't really viable, especially with the trend toward 20-game conference schedules.

Maybe something where you do your preseason poll, then the two non-pod home-and-home series are based on that. So if you're the highest-ranked team in your pod, your non-pod H&Hs would be against teams first or second in their pods. There's schedule experts who can outline this way better than I could, but it would keep the ability to schedule up in conference while maintaining a structure.

(02-01-2021 03:38 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 03:10 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  The A10 does not have divisions and there are 3-5 teams you would play twice. Those teams criteria is a mixture of rivals, close travel and what is best for net ratings. Nothing is static as pods and for instance as a general rule the highest rank teams do not play the lowest rank teams as the ones that play twice.

Division are rare in basketball and pods would be tricky at 14. Once we get to 16, I think you want to formalize your pairings a little more. The A10 did have that one 16-school season in 2012-13 when VCU and Butler were in with Temple and Charlotte, but the solution there (play one team twice and everyone else once for 16 games) isn't really viable, especially with the trend toward 20-game conference schedules.

Maybe something where you do your preseason poll, then the two non-pod home-and-home series are based on that. So if you're the highest-ranked team in your pod, your non-pod H&Hs would be against teams first or second in their pods. There's schedule experts who can outline this way better than I could, but it would keep the ability to schedule up in conference while maintaining a structure.

Never had pods and would not start now. Your the only team that makes sense so go up to 15 for the time being and eventually the Big East will raid one or two teams, most likely 1 team. Would be play everyone once and 5 teams you'd play twice if it happens for 19 conference games.

It would be nice and time will tell. Good luck to whatever happens and so sorry had a back issue and had to cancel my trip. The hurricane passing by would have made a less than optimal trip.

(01-31-2021 10:26 PM)Retroview1955 Wrote:  I wish we could end up in the AAC. Basketball will be very competitive. Football is another story. I cant wait to see what RR brings. Since we didn't play in 2020 and RR has 2 recruiting classes under him, does anything think going .500 is asking too much?

(01-29-2021 09:05 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  

(01-29-2021 06:30 PM)Grommet Wrote:  I get why the BB-firsters would like this look. Frankly I keep forgetting how many of you there are.

As a FB-firster, I absolutely hate it. Why spend all the money for a new stadium and coaches just to cast yourself out into the desert? I look forward to *our* home-and-home with NM State in the 2024 season.

I understand this but I actually think you do not lose anything by going independent. If this turns out to be true, you are playing army and liberty every year. Those are decent games. Playing Connecticut and umass is no different than playing let's say the Florida schools. No one will care. Charlotte you play anyway. Now here where it can be really good. You have 7 games you can schedule yourself. ODU can actually make themselves a very favorable schedule. Imagine what they can come up with and then all of a sudden you become a free agent. I think you can control your destiny by doing your own schedule. BYU seems to have a better schedule now than they did in mountain west. Liberty plays a nice schedule. The bad part you might have to play a lot of 2 for 1 games or schedule more than one fcs school to fill a schedule. I think you will not have any problem with getting in a bowl even though you don't have conference tie ins, because there always seem to be more bowls than teams. Let's see we can have a schedule like maybe
UMASS LIBERTY UCONN ARMY CHARLOTTE VA TECH EAST CAROLINA NORFOLK ST BUFFALO MARSHALL NEW MEXICO ST APPALACHAIN ST

Can you live with something like that? You play 5 different conferences, one western independent a FCS school and your alliance. This can be pretty good if done correctly.

Besides the a10 will be much better financially for ODU if this is true but I'm still hearing sun belt 2.0

just curious. using the criteria of 5 locked in alliance on schedule and you could have 1 fcs and 6 from different conferences. remember from 1 from each conferences. who would you choose

(02-04-2021 12:27 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  

(01-29-2021 09:05 PM)jaybird44 Wrote:  

(01-29-2021 06:30 PM)Grommet Wrote:  I get why the BB-firsters would like this look. Frankly I keep forgetting how many of you there are.

As a FB-firster, I absolutely hate it. Why spend all the money for a new stadium and coaches just to cast yourself out into the desert? I look forward to *our* home-and-home with NM State in the 2024 season.

I understand this but I actually think you do not lose anything by going independent. If this turns out to be true, you are playing army and liberty every year. Those are decent games. Playing Connecticut and umass is no different than playing let's say the Florida schools. No one will care. Charlotte you play anyway. Now here where it can be really good. You have 7 games you can schedule yourself. ODU can actually make themselves a very favorable schedule. Imagine what they can come up with and then all of a sudden you become a free agent. I think you can control your destiny by doing your own schedule. BYU seems to have a better schedule now than they did in mountain west. Liberty plays a nice schedule. The bad part you might have to play a lot of 2 for 1 games or schedule more than one fcs school to fill a schedule. I think you will not have any problem with getting in a bowl even though you don't have conference tie ins, because there always seem to be more bowls than teams. Let's see we can have a schedule like maybe
UMASS LIBERTY UCONN ARMY CHARLOTTE VA TECH EAST CAROLINA NORFOLK ST BUFFALO MARSHALL NEW MEXICO ST APPALACHAIN ST

Can you live with something like that? You play 5 different conferences, one western independent a FCS school and your alliance. This can be pretty good if done correctly.

Besides the a10 will be much better financially for ODU if this is true but I'm still hearing sun belt 2.0

just curious. using the criteria of 5 locked in alliance on schedule and you could have 1 fcs and 6 from different conferences. remember from 1 from each conferences. who would you choose

FSC school
ECU, Navy or Temple,
VT, UVA or NC ACC school (not a buy game)
Marshall or random CUSA east team
App ST, Coastal or Ga St
Random G5 from MAC, SB, CUSA
P5 buy game
Army
Liberty
Charlotte
UMass
UConn

Saw an article that Liberty was looking for a conference.

(02-04-2021 06:58 PM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Saw an article that Liberty was looking for a conference.

They’ll only have two choices and both rejected them before. Do you have a link?